The valuable "Spice" that powers space-time travel must have been a product of these gargantuan sandworms as sandworm poop for hundreds of millions of years. One sniff and you hallucinate the future 😅
*Fremen:* _"We worship Shai Hulud as a physical manifestation of God. Blessed be the Maker!"_ *Also Fremen:* _"We've got these trash bodies that we can't take to the deathstills because of chemical contamination...so we'll feed them to Shai Hulud."_ He's their sacred God...but they also use him like a trash disposal. 🤣
Never underestimate a culture's ability to rationalize and even make righteous, an act that is objectively an exploitation. To them, they're not using it as a trash disposal, they're "making an offering", using them for transport is "borrowing his power", crysknives are "wielding it's might", and the Spice/WoL is "taking in it's wisdom".
@@DailyShit. Wait, water kills Sandworms? I thought it was the [EMPEROR AFTER PAUL AND ALIA SPOILER] making the planet green that just killed them in general
@@superfnliminalThey’re repelled by water. Sandtrout form around water to contain it so the sandworms can survive. The bubble of water is chemically altered by the sandtrout to form spice, which eventually blows up and is scattered on the surface.
One of my favorite parts of this movie is how we see the Harkonnens burn the dead bodies in Irulan's recounting of events before we are shown the Fremen extracting the water and feeding the bodies to the worms. Once Paul takes over though, the Fremen are burning bodies just as the Harkonnens did.
I feel they're using the worms here to dispose of the bodies so there is no trace of their presence at all if they're being followed. Any orthicopters flying over head would be able to see a pile of bodies and know they were there. But at the end of the movie, there was no need to hide the corpses, plus there were so many that burning was the best option.
What funny is that the worms seem to know how wide to open their mouth. If its a harvester, their entire head seems to come out but for dead bodies, seems like its taking a "sip"
@@LittleBlacksheep1995 It seems, then, that the size of the vibration possibly also affects the type it attracts. Which makes sense, bigger predators won't want to waste energy on smaller prey, and smaller predators won't want to risk trying bigger prey, especially when they go solo.
@escamunicha4276 Paul went on a big dune and at the right height the vibrations and sound is amplified, plus he set up the thumper for a big pray print
@@theblah12 idk why they didn't put it in the movie but the worm's stomaches are supposed to be literal fiery furnaces. In the later books they describe being able to see light coming from their mouths and feel the heat.
@@danenagai1157it's based on a Rudyard Kipling poem. "When you wounded and left on afghanistan's plain / and the woman come out to cut up what remains..."
In the former scene the Fremen extracted all the water from these bodies, leaving behind dehydrated husks. Also, I doubt those few bodies would have enough water to kill a full grown sandworm anyways.
I had the same thought. Where do they get the resources to create those thumper things, they have a lot of them. However I just read some reddit explanations and the Fremen have factories and resources which we don't see in the movies.
This ground liquification effect is great. This is what fascinates me about those worms: They turn the most solid thing we know, the ground that we stand on, into ripples and make it behave like a liquid. It is this shift in perception that I enjoy every time.
One thing I gotta wonder: how is it the Freemen are able to just constantly use those thumpers? Scavenged from enemy machines maybe but they don't strike me as heavily industrialized
Fremen do have industry in their Sietches, and the Thumper is likely as small as they can get it while still being useful. As to making it, they likely have lathes, drill presses, hydraulic presses, mills, bandsaws, sanders, shears, brinders, buffers, and similar 1-person tools. The Thumpers are not made at the same rate as a dedicated factory, but think of a tool & die shop. Of course you'd want some sort of power source, either solar or liquid fuel. Solar means you are mostly free from needing resupply, while liquid fuel means you can use the generator's exhaust as a source of water.
@@toddkes5890In the books, the Fremen are bribing the Spacing Guild with spice to keep satellites from orbiting Arrakis - I guess that could also include regular shipments of raw materials and high tech equipment. They’re surprisingly equipped for a society of desert dwellers on a guerrilla warfare campaign.
Humans also can‘t eat huge moving factories or dive through sand. Dogs also die from too much onions or chocolate. Maybe try being smart when being a smartass.
They are too drug ridden to be added to the Fremen water reservoir in the Sietch. But compared to the size of an adult worm, they are too small of a dose to be an issue.
Which makes you wonder how much energy is needed for a worm to move forward, vs the calories from the sand plankton. Then asking where is the sand plankton.
I have a question because I’ve never read the books, how are they able to control how the sandworms show up, as in them rising from the ground or riding in the sand
I believe it depends on where you place the thumper as that will serve as the source of the vibration that attracts and influences the trajectory of the sandworm’s approach. Placing it high up on a particular dune, as one of the earlier commenters pointed out, probably creates different vibrational patterns than placing one on ‘ground level’ as the properties of the sand may differ in terms of how they let sound/vibrations travel (to a sensitive worm nearby). The Fremen can also tune the thumpers as we’ve seen in several scenes so that’s probably another factor to consider although I’m not confident I know what the tuning exactly does. So I’d imagine that if you place a thumper pretty high up, and tune it a certain way, a sandworm will probably be inclined to approach pretty close to the surface and then finally breach the surface as it rises along the incline of the dune to swallow the source of the vibration as we see in Paul’s worm riding scene. In the first film, the sand harvester was at ground level so I’d imagine the worm was inclined to swallow from below. In the scene above, we observe that the thumper is also on ground level and the worm conversely swallows the pile of nearby corpses from below. Lastly, Kynes called a worm in the last film in preparation for a ride but she’s attacked before she can complete the necessary steps (not sure what happens to the thumper in the scene after the Sadukar attack her). However I distinctly recall her pounding the ground to attract a worm at which point a sandworm swallowed from below once again. In any case, this is also speculation on my part so take my comment with a grain of sand.
Perhaps (if this theory would fit the fictional world), there is a version of plankton in the sand so, the worm is similar to Whales and just swims around gobbling them up.
@ant270 you're actually correct. The Shai'Halud generally feed on sand plankton, their own microscopic offspring, that fill the entire planets sand dunes. It's not portrayed, but those sand plankton that survive become sand trout, who absorb water, hold it in their bodies, explode and produce spice from the afterbirth, and subsequently produce a small worm
Where do the Fremen get the materials for all those thumpers they keep sacrificing to the worms? Is someone dropshipping thumpers from orbit? Who? Do they have mining, smelting and manufacturing underground somewhere? How? I would thin they would have 50 thumpers a tribe and be all “this thumper was my great great grand daddy’s. It’s sacred to the family. We been taking care of it all these years. Please treat it with respect” Instead we get, “eh, we have a million of these stupid things lying around” and they just toss EM out in the sand to be eaten
Given the size, apparent number, breeding, and speed of the sand worms, I wonder how they find enough food to sustain themselves. Eating huge metal spice harverters with a few humans is hardly an adequate supply of nutrients. In such an arid landscape with little water or rain, not much lives there apart from some sand mice. What do the Sandworms eat that enables them to grow so large?
@@lamotiengodidal6511 Could be. Did Frank Herbert ever explain the sand worms in detail... I haven't read all the books and the one I did was many many years ago. I was only 11 years old when he published it in 1965 but I was an obsessive SciFi reader and glued to the black and white TV while NASA prepared for and send men to the Moon in 1969. I expected to be holidaying on MARS and planned a bucket list trip for my 70th Birthday... this year. Oh well, Dune on IMAX will have to do. Great to see the book finally made into a worthy film.
@@lamotiengodidal6511 I agree with this explanation; it must be very difficult to study an animal that effectively moves through solid material, unless they happen to break the surface like the worms do. Plus, our real world knowledge of Earth's oceans is not complete to say the least. We still don't know for sure how large animals can truly get in the depths of the ocean, and what little we learn about some of those animals (giant squids for example) is gained by luck, when a dead specimen washes up, or if one happens to be caught on an oil rig camera or something. So there could be any number of undiscovered species down there in the depths of the sands of Arrakis......
These particular ones had just been drained of their water. For others, this is just my theory but the worm may take them in and spit them out. A human wouldn't survive that process though with all those teeth.
Hang on, if the worm can just appear from below out of nowhere like this, how do the fremen avoid this happening when they want to call a worm for a ride?
Worms are attracted to rhythmic noises primarily. As long as the Fremen don't make too much of a rhythm when walking, they won't attract a worm as much. The Thumper is a fixed point providing a rhythmic noise, which is very distracting. Like trying to listen to a conversation on the far side of the room when your loud-mouthed friend is talking next to you.
They used a thumper here, just like they do if they need a ride. The only difference here was that the worm just showed up without warning from immediately beneath the thumper whereas when Paul calls his work he gets a nice 2min warning.
@@toddkes5890 I know, and they use a thumper in both cases. My point is about the way in which the worm appears. If the worm can appear from immediately below like this, with little warning, any fremen hoping for a ride would find himself devoured by its maker rather than taking an Uber to his favourite hang out spot.
@@davidwiles6042 Worms can have ranges of 300-400 square kilometers. if you are in a worm's territory, what are the odds that a worm is directly beneath you? Also note that Paul and Gurney were able to run out of the worm's attack range in the first movie, so I'd expect Fremen would be able to recognize similar signs and get out of range faster.
@@Filmart255 they don't take the Harkonnen water because they say it's unclean. And later on Paul instructs them to throw the Baron's body in the desert without removing the water.
@@Filmart255 Ah, they bled them dry. I wasn't entirely sure about that scene. But then again, a sandworm did swallow Dr. Kynes and three Sardaukar, so I assume that one died.
The fremen drained the bodies of their water before doing this, they used the water from these Harkonnen soldiers in their stillsuits cooling systems, the bodies would not have much moisture left in them
A more "realistic" way of reclaiming the body's water would involve pureeing (down to the cellular level), and a nano-grade filter press. Or solar distillation from the puree, leaving organic sludge as fertilizer. But all that sounds too much like Work. ;)
Harkonnen would have to have an idea of knowing where the Fremen are, and deciding if wasting a Thumper on a few lone Fremen is worth it. Compare to the Fremen knowing where the Harkonnen Spice Harvesters are and attacking those.
Duncan in Sietch, everythings so clean and spotless. We need maids to keep Arrakeen spotless. Whats your secret? Fremen - Shai hulud eats all. 😅 Duncan: 😮. Got to get me that disposal system Returns to Duke. I brought you Stilgar. Ask him to lend us a Shai hulud . 😂 Eats our garbage, shits out spice 😅
Probably for travel weight considerations. Theres definitely leftover water in the Harkonnen's but it would be a hassle to transport. If they want to dry up their body like they did to Jamis for water they'd have to carry 15 or so corpses to Sietch Tabr, and if they manage to suck up all their water they'd have to carry 900 pounds of water that would've been 900 pounds of scavenged lasguns or steel