The Deadly Enemy Attack That Ended the F-4's Superiority

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On May 10, 1972, Lieutenant Randy Cunningham and Lieutenant William Driscoll aimed to become the first American fighter ace pilots of the Vietnam War.
They had already taken down four enemy aircraft while piloting their exceptional McDonnell Douglas F-4 Phantom II. Their fifth target was a solitary North Vietnamese MiG-17, but little did they know they were going against the infamous Colonel Tomb, a legendary ace pilot well-known in the North and South.
Cunningham recalled: (QUOTE) “I could see a Gomer leather helmet, Gomer goggles, Gomer scarf...and his intent Gomer expression... I began to feel numb. My stomach grabbed at me in knots. [As we zoomed some 8,000 feet straight up,] [there was no fear in this guy's eyes]."
There was much dread in the air, but both pilots knew their long-range fighter was fast and powerful enough to prevail, and it was the perfect opportunity to earn their coveted title...
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@MrMinuteman69 Год назад

I refueled F4s will in the Airforce. The sound of them taking off was horrendous. And to see them take off at night was totally awesome. They were a gas hog. And fitted with belly tank and wing tanks could hold nearly 5000 gallons of JP4. The most radical thing I saw was when the last F105 was leaving the base to be retired. It was accompanied by an F4. As one last good bye they both came low over the tarmac at full burn then went vertical out of sight. I just happened to be out on tarmac delivering fuel to an F4 when they came in. They went vertical right over my head and I could feel the heat and pressure blast down on me as they did it. It was something I will never forget.

@SCFPV Год назад

I`d be shitting my pants, but would also be enjoying every minute of it. To be able to look up and see fighters go vertical that close above my head, They could melt me to dust with their burners and I`d die smiling.

@texaswunderkind Год назад

My dad flew the KC-135 during Vietnam. I'm guessing he refueled quite a few of them.

@MrMinuteman69 Год назад

I never got to do arial fueling. That would have been awesome. I just had a truck with 5000 gallon of JP4. I enjoyed refueling transit birds. F 16s, C135s, an F111, several Lear type jets that the higher comand flew around in. It was great to be around all them. To lay hands on some really great and iconic aircraft.

@Sevo- Год назад

The f105 was something I was introduced fairly recently, I knew of it, but man that thing could climb. Edit: nope meant the f104

@GsTreetsSTX Год назад

Thank you for you service sir

@daviddealba1988 Год назад

I think the climb rate of the Phantom II was 41,000 feet per minute, not 41,000 feet per second.

@Impedancenetwork Год назад

That is @5:44 and if it was 41,000 ft/sec that would be 28,000 mph which of course is impossible.

@michaelmurda8899 Год назад

Honest mistake imo...

@Impedancenetwork Год назад

@@michaelmurda8899 Yup, I understand.

@ADAPTATION7 Год назад

He does this on a regular basis. It's to generate more comments. And it works.

@TheGregEgg Год назад

@@Impedancenetwork Faster than escape velocity from Earth...😂

@dentalnovember Год назад

5:44 “climbing 41,000 feet per second”. That is impressive performance indeed!

@gryph01 Год назад

The F4 wanted to head to space! 😁

@jamesmatticks70 Год назад

😂

@jim2lane Год назад

So that means it could get from the runway to its service ceiling in under two seconds 😉

@stevebryant4207 Год назад

Double secret afterburners 😂

@TheEulerID Год назад

If true that would have meant the F4 could exceed escape velocity, which is a mere 36,700 feet per second. It would also be travelling at better than Mach 36 straight up...

@bryanwfields2191 Год назад

My dad flew F-4s from 1962-72, including a year in Vietnam from 67-68. I grew up on or around Air Force bases and always enjoyed watching Phantoms fly overhead, especially if I knew my dad was in one of them (he would tell us in advance when they would be flying and where he'd be in the formation).

@pgroove163 Год назад

🥊

@SCFPV Год назад

What an awesome childhood memory to have, lucky. lol

@theothertroll Год назад

Good chance your dad knew my uncle 🤪

@ibbano1 11 месяцев назад

Which means that your dad was among the elite CRIMINALS who showered the Vietnamese with NABALM bombs

@thepacifist702 11 месяцев назад

how does it feel to have a murderer terrorist of a dad?

@jaredmehrlich6683 Год назад

I was in the grass in a truck next to the runway when the last F-4 left Portland. It was a rush, he went straight up off that runway. I'll never forget that. I love the F-4.

@donscheid97 Год назад

I worked them in AF and did not know Portland had switched from the Voodoo's when I was downtown after I was out and heard that VERY distinctive sound overhead... surprise.

@silasmarner7586 Год назад

My buddy in college was in the ANG and flew F4s outta Portland. It's been awhile but I remember them there.

@pal6636 Год назад

The F4 reminded me of big American muscle cars in that era . Just dump as much fuel and energy as possible into as powerful an engine you can fit in there , point it fairly straight and let it go . Even though the F4 wasn't a dog fighter it was/is one of the most beautiful gutsy classics. There's something really cool about "very fast and powerful" that's hard to outgrow :).

@jaredmehrlich6683 Год назад

@@pal6636 exactly right. It was so loud and just amazing. I sat in one in the hanger. I was in Cub Scouts.

@lewiskemp5893 Год назад

Me too

@alphakky Год назад

For those who didn't know, before the unification of airplane designations, the Navy designation was F4H-1, the fourth (4) fighter (F) from McDonnell Douglas (H), first model (-1).

@pj7362 Год назад

Cool facts. Any idea why H designation for McDonald Douglas ?

@SCFPV Год назад

I can see why it was changed.

@alphakky Год назад

@@pj7362 I can only think it was because Douglas (before the the merger) already had the D designation, and McDonnell was already H. They didin't always make sense, e.g. Consolidated (Convair) was Y, e.g. PBY Catalina (First Patrol Bomber from Consolidated).

@sulufest Год назад

That was before it was designated F-110?

@alphakky Год назад

@@sulufest The F4H was a Navy interceptor first. When the USAF adopted it, they gave it the designation F-110. Then the tri-service designation came and it became the F-4 for both the USAF and USN. Lots of changes happened, the North American A3J became the A-5, the Douglas AD became the A-1 Skyraider. Interesting enough the Douglas A3DSkywarrior became the A-3 for the Navy, but B-66 for the USAF.

@NicholasSpartan Год назад

F-4 Phantom ....as my dad was saying : - It "smokes" it "drinks" and likes "troubles" .

@mojoquip 11 месяцев назад

In middle school I used to sneak out and walk in the dark of winter, a couple of miles across snowy fields over to the tarmak and watch the F4 Phantoms take off at Elmendorf , frozen air crystalized by the afterburners, the steep incline of the take-off was stunning sitting in the snow alone in the cold winter nights, with F-15's, F-111's F-14's, F-16's, C141's C-5A's, KC135's and Sr-71,occasionally., what a time in history! Cover for the top of the world!

@jett2753 Год назад

I’ve talked to Willy via email a few times. A hell of a nice guy. He sent me a signed copy of his book and wrote an ode to my grandfather, who perished in Laos in an F4.

@texaswunderkind Год назад

As a youth, I played soccer at a complex near the city airport. The National Guard unit stationed there flew the F-4 Phantom II. When one of those suckers took off, you couldn't hear yourself think. It was so crazy loud we just had to stop the soccer game in progress until it left the area.

@bassethousechannel2579 Год назад

My Dad was a Weasel Keeper in the 80s. Cool airplane he was working on other planes when I was growing up. But we always had a detailed mechanical pencil drawing of an f-4 on the wall at home with lots of signatures all over it.

@carlparlatore294 Год назад

Flew the F-4 in the AF - logged over 2800 hrs. three combat tours in Nam - used all the systems on the jet INCLUDING the MB H-7 - in my opinion the best jet of its era!

@lancekilkenny721 Год назад

How often did the Sparrows fail?

@thebonesaw..4634 Год назад

@@lancekilkenny721 -- I know you didn't ask me but I'll answer for him. It depends on the period. Initially, they succeeded only 14% of the time (meaning "did not hit their intended target"). The biggest problem for the Sparrow - even when it did fire - was the ROE requiring identification... the Sparrow wasn't designed for close-in fighting. The other problem was weapons handling and the impact of landings on the missile. They discovered that weapons handlers were doing things like installing fins with hammers, and other things you aren't supposed to do that severely effected the missile's reliability. The other thing they discovered was that the missile was not being serviced often enough between landings, which were about as abusive to the missiles as the weapons handlers initially were. Once those two problems were corrected, the success rate of the missile was better, but both services had the AIM-9 Sidewinder by then and relied on it more by that time, so the Sparrows didn't get a lot of love after that. For the entirety of the war, the U.S. shot down 199 enemy aircraft in air-to-air conflicts, of which the Sparrows shot down 13 Mig-17s, 5 Mig-19s, 41 Mig-21s, 2 An-2s. Meaning that 61 total planes, or 30% of all enemy aircraft were downed by an AIM-7 Sparrow (not too shabby for a missile that gets so much hate). Meanwhile, the AIM-9 accounted for 45 Mig-17s, 31 Mig-21s, 4 Mig-19s. So, 80 total planes, or 40% of all enemy aircraft downed in air-to-air action. Another thing to consider is the number fired compared to the number of kill results. For the AIM-9, there were 452 Sidewinders fired for a kill probability of 17.7%, whereas the Sparrow was fired 612 times for a kill probability of 9.8%. However, that does not take into account the number of times the Sparrow was used to shoot at things like drones. How many of those were successful? The Sparrow, and the Sidewinder, were both almost certainly far more successful than this basic math equation - comparing the number fired to the number of enemy fighter aircraft (plus two AN-2s) downed - would imply. These results also tell us that the remaining 58 enemy aircraft were downed by cannon fire (something the F-4 totally had for 8 years of the war). Of the 199 aircraft shot down in air-to-air conflicts, 147 of them were shot down by the F-4 Phantom. The F-4 was introduced in Vietnam in August of 1964 (not 1961 as Dark Skies got wrong). On June, 30 1967, the US Air Force received their first F-4E in Vietnam, which had an internal 20mm cannon. So, for eight years (otherwise known as the "vast-majority-of-the-war"), the USAF had an F-4 with a dedicated, *internal* 20mm cannon (the thing every historian loves to mistakenly claim that it DIDN'T have), which they used to great effect.

@carlparlatore294 Год назад

@@lancekilkenny721 Good question - I only fired one AIM-7 at a drone and it worked as advertised. I was at Udorn when Steve Ritchie was spreading MiG parts all over the north - and if I am not mistaken he got his 5 kills with the Sparrow - he was a brilliant fighter pilot and tactician - I also believe every one of the missiles he fired worked - now where there misfires - yes - but if you knew how to employ the weapon correctly it worked pretty well - I don't have the figures on what percentage failed but I'm sure a search of Google will get you that number

@lewiskemp5893 Год назад

Thanks sir

@MoAndAye 10 месяцев назад

Growing up in Orange County, CA., seeing (and hearing) US Marine pilots training in F4's overhead was as common as clouds. Awe inspiring!!

@jett2753 Год назад

My grandfather was an F4 Phantom II pilot. Most badass fighter jet of that era, and he knew it, and he wanted it. Sadly, on his 74th mission in South East Asia, he perished in Laos while bombing a truck convoy in the middle of the night. Never seen again. Rest in peace.

@JonathanLopez-bv8zh 9 месяцев назад

What happened

@nicknick1963 8 месяцев назад

He died trying to kill people

@wes326 Год назад

An F-4 afterburner take off at night is pretty impressive. Thanks for sharing.

@alanmcneill2407 Год назад

I lived at the end of the runway at Ellsworth in R City SD, i was in a mobile home, I watched and felt the B1B Lancers take off at night or early mornings...house shook like a tin can....blue flames of the afterburners shot out 100 yards behind the plane..;.but I loved the noise of those engines...I felt secure, with such awesome power defending us..

@Frankie5Angels150 11 месяцев назад

I landed one F-4E with no nose gear, two with engine fires, and two with total hydraulic failure. All were flying again in six months or less. Even after I flew the F-16, Big Ugly will always been my first love.

@GAPphp Год назад

The german Luftwaffe used this plane for years. I can remember the unbelievable loud noise and the black smoke came out of these jets flying by. They made a lot of flights here over the Sauerland practicing manovers and fights.

@mipmipmipmipmip Год назад

They also did practice landings on the Autobahn with the F4 I think

@GAPphp Год назад

@@mipmipmipmipmip yes, in former times there were parts of the Autobahn that could be changed to an airfield by the Bundeswehr. Today these places and parts don't exist anymore

@dennishayes65 Год назад

They were at NAS Oceana when I was in an A-6 squadron. They were very loud & their exhaust was very dirty.

@PaulJohnson-vn7eh Год назад

Their nickname in the Luftwaffe was Air Defense Diesel

@GAPphp Год назад

@@PaulJohnson-vn7eh that's why the black exhaust from this jet. Yes, it was called "Luftverteidigungs- Diesel".

@fifteenbyfive Год назад

Turkey, Greece, Iran and S Korea still use the Phantom. Egypt still has serviceable Phantoms available as well. Turkey has modernized their F-4Es to a very high standard with their "Terminator 2020" modification program. It's certainly one of the greatest fighters in history.

@mouser485 Год назад

I think Iran might still use their old Phantoms

@alanmcneill2407 Год назад

Yes, with updated Avionics, it is a plane that deserves respect...and fear!!!

@brianfalls5038 Год назад

I never had the chance to work on the F-4 but I've heard plenty of stories about it. And to look at it just sitting on the ramp it looks like it could eat you. It's a tough plane and respectable to boot.

@charlesdignam780 Год назад

I repaired a fuel leak on a Marine F-4 that made an emergency landing at Charleston AFB SC, they were on their way to Parris Island MB

@skygazer858 Год назад

I worked on the weapons systems radar on the F-4E. (the one with the gun). Once I tried lifting one on my head. It didn't work. I was under it testing the Aim7 missile systems and rose up to fast and high. The plane didn't notice but I certainly did.

@Dave-ty2qp Год назад

I worked it along with other fighters of that era, and it was a dog to work on. Took more maintenance manhours per flying hour than a B-52.

@brianfalls5038 Год назад

@Doug Dieter ouch! Yeah, it seems like I did that very thing under a triple ejector rack on an F-16. Thought I was clear and went to stand up. Ended up on all 4's with a knot on the back of my head. It's plenty funny now but when it happened it hurt like hell. LOL😆

@brianfalls5038 Год назад

@Dave I hear that all right. Yep, back then there were certain aircraft that were like that. The F-4, F-111, and B-52 were all like that. Me personally, I worked on the G and H model B-52's for about5 years and they were a real mother to work on. I always hated that about them.

@jpdemer5 Год назад

I grew up near Westover AFB in Massachusetts - a S.A.C. base pretty much dedicated to the care and feeding of the B-52. We kids would sometimes go to the fence at the end of the runway, to experience the noise of their eight engines at full thrust. (In those days, people living in the area were accustomed to simply pausing a conversation whenever a bomber thundered overhead, literally rattling the windows.) One day, for whatever reason, an F-4 was on the base, and we found ourselves directly under it as the pilot left the runway and went vertical. I'd built the obligatory model, but had never seen one in real life until that moment. Needless to say, I was thrilled to death, and didn't mind that my ears continued to ring for 10-15 minutes afterward.

@extremelydave Год назад

I worked on multiple different aircraft in my time in the AF. The B52 was awesome, but the F4 was such a beauty in the air. I was at the base that Steve Ritchie became the first AF ace. The control tower let him do multiple buzzes and he put on a show for about 10 minutes. Needless to say, his aircraft engines had barely stopped when his plane was swarmed with people as the word had gotten out about Ritchies 5th Mig downed. That was a hell of a day......

@TomKappeln Год назад

German guy here. I lived in a small town up on a hill on the "Lahntal" in Hessen (50km from Frankfurt Airbase) When the A10's the F104 and the F4 rumbled down the Lahntal i could watch them in their cockpit ! (Close to day by day) Our house was higher on the hill than they flew ! |How i miss the noises and thunder ....

@brianjob3018 11 месяцев назад

Your English is about flawless, German friend. Sorry that the FRG was seduced/pressured into buying the F-104; as a result, so many Luftwaffe men died in the plane, IMO, one clearly unsuitable for any role outside of pure interceptor.

@TomKappeln 11 месяцев назад

@@brianjob3018 : Thank you bro. I agree 100% with you, but is was the German "government"s" false not the F104"s. Funfakt : When i served my time in the German Navy as a "Seal" (German mine diver are close to the same as your Seals), my Captain was a former F104 pilot who crashed his bird into the Baltic Sea ... lololol Funfakt 2 : I protected the USS IOWA from under water attacks in 1987 when this beauty was in Germany. Greets from Poland (Where i live since 2019)

@nivek5031 Год назад

Their burning F4 Phantom turned into an A10 Warthog, just before they bailed out? 😳

@texaswunderkind Год назад

A lot of pilots transformed their aircraft into slower-moving models right before ejection to improve survivability.

@CarlosGutierrez-vz1gn Год назад

Hshaha go to ukrania now. Hahaha

@nivek5031 Год назад

@@CarlosGutierrez-vz1gn For what? To see the Wagner duraks being ejected? 😑

@minhthunguyendang9900 2 месяца назад

As in the 1958 Robert Mitchum movie « The Hunters » the about to crash 💥 F-86 suddenly turned into a F-100 before 💥

@nivek5031 2 месяца назад

@@minhthunguyendang9900 Good morning, Vietnam. In 1958, I was only 9, so I missed that one. 😑

@nairbvel Год назад

My family (along with our dog) made our final trip home to NY from a multi-year posting in South America via commercial ship instead of flying. One of the last stops coming up the coast was Norfolk. The four of us took a long, looong walk from the docks to a convenience store to get some snacks & stretch our legs... and discovered the Blue Angels were practicing that day. None of us ever forgot the feeling of having a group of F-4s pass overhead at *LOW* altitude -- they buzzed us 4 or 5 times (I don't remember the last time clearly because by then we were all ducking and covering our ears), and we could feel them at least as much as hear them. There was even an old clapboard house nearby that shed a couple of boards during one low pass. It was simultaneously terrifying and exhilarating, and the obvious power of those aircraft was impressive.

@Rob741741 Год назад

I remember seeing these airplanes circle over our house on their landing approach to Hill Air Force Base. They were loud but the F-105s were even louder.

@SandsOfArrakis Год назад

With a climb rate 41000 feet per second. That means that the Phantom will reach space in just a few seconds.

@benklotz6881 Год назад

I caught that too 🫣🙄

@rogermiller2159 Год назад

But sadly, the pilot will permanently attached to the seat.

@ahseaton8353 Год назад

The Space Shuttle only climbed at around 2000 feet per second, pulling 4 to 9 g, depending on boosters and remaining fuel, etc.

@nostradamus7648 Год назад

Warp 1 😂

@SandsOfArrakis Год назад

@@nostradamus7648 Then we should rename the Phantom to Phoenix.

@donsena2013 Год назад

What I remember of the Phantom at my Thailand base during the late 60s were the frighteningly enormous intakes on either side of the aircraft. Ground-level testing following engine maintenance was always at full throttle. A full-grown man could easily fit into the intakes and forcibly drawn into the engines when running, and then permanently mutilated by the engine compressors. I was in the maintenance function and often had to work on the aircraft directly, and didn’t want to be anywhere near one of these Phantoms while being engine-tested. (I was in aircraft sheet metal.)

@chrismoody1342 Год назад

My favorite fight aircraft ever. Some about all the droops and kicks in the wings just speak to me. The plane looks the part of a Great War machine, fast and menacing just sitting still. Can’t believe it served for such long time in so many roles. The title of a GREAT PLANE is well deserved.

@LK-bz9sk 11 месяцев назад

My uncle flew the F4 for the Israeli Air Force. He said that and the Mirage were like strapping the jet to your back and flying. Said the F15 onwards that pure seat of the pants started to gradually go away

@billwatson8616 2 месяца назад

My aunt lived near Miramar Navel base in the 1970's, I watched the Blue Angels Phantoms there as a kid. Watched Navy F-14 Tomcats, too. The sound these Phantoms make on a flyover is simply awesome! They had some in either Brookings or Klamath Falls OR for National Guard, too!

@billryland6199 Год назад

I was a USAF radar tech in Thailand in '72 and '73. We heard a report from Cunningham's squadron after that mission that his last score was NOT a Mig. The camera film showed his missile downing his wingman. He was immediately sent back to the states to avoid being fragged by the other pilots.

@danf4447 Год назад

ow truly? never heard this

@MrChopsticktech Год назад

Interesting. Whilst l was watching this video I was wondering if pilots ever shot down planes from their own side and blamed the enemy.

@Argyll9846 Год назад

I remember driving past a RAF base in the UK when an F4 coming in to land flew over the top of the car I was a passenger in. It certainly was and is an impressive and beautiful aircraft and for me an all time favourite.

@fleafrier1 Год назад

Everyone talking about the climb rate like it’s a big deal. I like how Cunningham & Driscoll piloted their damaged phantom using only the thunder & afterburner.

@daveriddell3704 Год назад

Wasn’t Colonel Toon a mythical pilot?

@chrisrautmann8936 Год назад

US does not have access to the Vietnamese records from the era.

@daveriddell3704 Год назад

@@chrisrautmann8936 then how do they he existed then?

@chrisrautmann8936 Год назад

@@daveriddell3704 It is guessed that Col. Toon was more than one pilot (as he "flew" multiple types of aircraft), and was a very useful propaganda tool. An equivalent would be the mythical "Ghost of Kyiv" last year. Also, reports of enemy fighter kills are almost guaranteed to be exaggerated. Lastly, Duke Cunningham was charged and convicted of fraud. He has a history of not being 100% honest about his past. It's a good story, but I don't know if there's any independent evidence of his shootdown of Col. Toon. It's still a good story.

@lesheath6216 Год назад

Yes, the 'legend' has been dispelled

@antimimoniakos Год назад

It was in early 80's i was swimming in the canal of Potidea in Chalkidiki Greece. Nearby there was a training ground assault unit and assault aircrafts were flying almost every day. Suddenly a formation of two F-4 E and one Corsair II flew 50 metres over me returning to base. The sound was loud but nice. 36 Phantoms still fly in Greece.

@danf4447 Год назад

greek pilots for the f4 were insane and brilliant . great u tube videos of the recce birds scaring hell out of beachgoers

@antimimoniakos Год назад

@@danf4447 They fly in conditions similar to war everyday.

@corvetteworldrob8586 Год назад

The F4 was truly one of the greatest fighters of all time, but as far as ALL AROUND capability, adaptiveness, durability, reliability, and longevity, no others can truly top it. That is why it still flies to this day.

@joshuarodriguez2242 Год назад

I've always loved the way the F-4 looks.

@MrSuzuki1187 Год назад

You meant to say climb at 41,000 feet per MINUTE, not second. I grew up near the McDonnell plant in St. Louis and recall hearing the prototype doing engine trim runs one night in about 1958 when I was 8 years old. Me and my two older brothers begged our dad to drive us out to Lambert field to see the F-4 for the first time even though it was at night and on the engine runup pad, it was close enough to the airport fence to see it doing the trim runs. BTW, all three of us became pilots, with me flying for United for 29 years.

@bruceleealmighty Год назад

Having others comment like this just does my heart good.😃

@Nlangkirby135 Год назад

My uncle from Indiana, Tom Lang, says the USAF F-4 Phantom is his all time favorite fighter jet.

@lesheath6216 Год назад

I worked on them, they didn't break like the F5 & F15

@Nlangkirby135 Год назад

@@lesheath6216 that’s cool.

@odysseusreturns9133 Год назад

I believe both the Greek and Turkish air forces are still using this formidable aircraft fighter today.

@jimdavenport8020 Год назад

And Iran

@canerguener8664 Год назад

Turkish Air Force sent 2 of them to RIAT /Duxford in 2019

@Riccardo_Silva Год назад

The "famed" Col. Toomb is a myth, long dispelled. The real vietnamese ace you showed in this vid is Nguyen Van Coc. Nice vid, DS, but a bit ambiguous about this topic.

@duartesimoes508 Год назад

Now, that's a Coc! 💪

@thefrecklepuny Год назад

Very similar to today's 'Ghost of Kyiv'.

@robertsansone1680 Год назад

The Vietnamese say they never heard of him.

@georgehunter2813 Год назад

The mythic 20 minute to and fro air fight was a made up Navy crew cover story. Courageous embellishment fib hiding fears of actual combat where you could get shot down, captured, or killed. 'It took 20 minutes, but we finally got him.'

@daveware4117 Год назад

@@thefrecklepunyyep. War propiganda never really changes

@TheEulerID Год назад

"There was no fear in this guy's eyes". There is absolutely no way whatsoever that any fighter pilot is going to see fear or any other emotion in an opposing pilot's eyes. Quite apart from the visors they wear, they simply don't get remotely close enough to observe such a thing.

@david_reynolds3660 Год назад

I worked on Phantoms while I was in the Marine Corps, stationed at Marine Corps Air Station Kaneohe Bay! I have to say it was a heck of a fighter! I also worked on them for the Air Force when I worked for Lockheed! Very versatile aircraft, and the pilots used to say that they could always trust getting home because they had two really powerful engines!

@DaveSCameron Год назад

Why the Japanese battle flag on the tails??

@Frankie5Angels150 Год назад

@@DaveSCameron One USN squadron has that logo. Not sure why.

@DaveSCameron Год назад

@@Frankie5Angels150 Ah really, I appreciate your reply here thanks 👍

@uraigroves7898 Год назад

What year were at kaneohe bay? I live a few miles from there now...

@david_reynolds3660 Год назад

@@uraigroves7898 83’ - 87’

@Airpaycheck Год назад

I was a USAF Phantom Phixer, '76-'79. D models mostly. Airplane was built on McDonnell-Douglas's principle that if you put big enough engines in it, you can make anything fly!

@williampalchak7574 Год назад

Flying brick.

@ahseaton8353 Год назад

An AFROTC buddy of mine described it as a 90% efficient machine for turning JP4 into noise.

@ZaWyvern Год назад

Wings optional

@randyhager2054 Год назад

Right there with ya...USAF 77-81 Homestead AFB 31TFW.

@stevehammond9156 Год назад

Hence the nickname "Lead Sled"

@bradolsen8629 Год назад

My uncle Colonel Robert, R. Priest US Air Force retired flew the F4. It was his favorite airplane.

@kurtamesbury6679 Год назад

@5:42 - WOW! The Phantom could climb at 27,954mph! That's astounding! Does Space-X know about this?

@rajeshkanungo6627 Год назад

Young Sheldon had already figured it out.

@Idahoguy10157 Год назад

The F-4 Phantom II: World’s greatest distributor of MiG parts

@MaistoHelix Год назад

The Daddy of Modern Jets.. The irony was the FSX program, this plane was what they already had... a versatile plane serving the Navy and Airforce as well as the Marines and National Guard. Still in service with many Countries..

@spooseman1 Год назад

Always loved the phantom as a kid. Built models etc. I was in the Navy when I saw my first one and I'll never forget it. Was fueling aircraft on the weekends at NAS Alameda. Sitting on top of a tanker topping it off when a phantom rolled down the runway and lifted off headed at the bay bridge. He wasn't gaining much altitude and I thought good grief, he's not going under the bridge which would have ended the pilots flying days. All of a sudden he went 90 degrees and blasted straight up. Never forget that sight. A few months later the Angels were at the base practicing the day before an airshow and they collided while doing their diamond with the lead inverted. Remember watching one of the phantoms falling end over end into the bay. Pilot bailed and was picked up safely. Other one did an emergency landing and had to grab our wire. Just an incredible aircraft.

@larrymcgill5508 Год назад

In the cat shot at frame 10:29, the pilot overtrimmed the aircraft and almost stalled the bird. I had a “nimrod” pilot that I flew with that often had difficulty determining weight and balance, and more than once found ourselves in that attitude with him. They finally rotated him out of the squadron and the Navy, in their infinite wisdom, made him the Safety Officer at NAS Oceana, Virginia.

@freedommachines2316 Год назад

Wow…!

@kikupub71 Год назад

Figures. That’s Naval Intelligence for you.

@mikeayers8951 Год назад

41,000 feet per second climb rate is impressive. 😂

@mikelamberth9975 Год назад

Warp 6 Mr. Sulu

@curtvona4891 Год назад

Yeah, I came down here to comment on that. Hahaha

@frankpriolo7735 Год назад

Should be per minute. I remember standing near the runway at Marine Corps Air Station ElToro CA in 1966 and watching an F-4 go vertical from takeoff.

@SOLAscriptura- Год назад

Figured someone beat me to it 😂

@michaelmurda8899 Год назад

It was a mistake. An honest mistake imo...

@JoeJ94611 Год назад

I recall reading that the problem these high-performance jets have is the G-forces during high-speed maneuvers are too much for the human body resulting in the pilots blacking out. The pilots wear flying suits which apply pressure on their lower body but it just reduces and not eliminates blackouts.

@privatepilot4064 3 месяца назад

41,000 fps! Whoa! No doubt the Phantom has been to the moon and back many times. Remarkable aircraft!

@subdawg1331 Год назад

THANK YOU SO MUCH A GREAT VIDEO

@steadyashegoes7763 Год назад

You're welcome for me watching your video. But no need to thank me. Keep this great content coming!

@rossbunnell7992 Год назад

At 5:44, it is said that the F-4 was capable of climbing 41,000 feet per second. I'm pretty sure that's 41,000 feet per MINUTE.

@Sevo- Год назад

Man i love both the F4 and A4, but man ever since the 90's the f4 has been my favoruite looking jet

@rea59 Год назад

I worked on the F4J/S versions from 1978 through 1991 when I transitioned to the F/A18. Always loved the F4 it was an awesome bird..

@jebediahgentry7029 Год назад

41,000 feet per second 😂😂 I guess the F4 is as fast as the starship Enterprise

@chlebowg Год назад

Caught that too.

@reedsilvesan2197 Год назад

Even as a boy in the 60s, I always thought that the F4 was the coolest looking fighter ever. I still do.

@alanmcneill2407 Год назад

It just looks menacing and dangerous...just sitting still...and it still is.

@prof2yousmithe444 Год назад

Love this channel!

@drenk7 Год назад

A great video on a historic aircraft.

@FoulOwl2112 Год назад

That one piece of footage where it appears full ordinace is released in a low level dive bomb... Amazing every time. Looks wayy too close for comfort! I always wish l could see the plane pull out of the maneuver though. Because it looks insanely low! Maybe it's just a matter of perspective camera angle... But I'd like to see for myself.

@dustup2249 Год назад

"climb rate of 41,000 feet per second..." Impressive. It definitely outruns every missile known to man!😆

@drmarkintexas-400 Год назад

Thank you for sharing 🤗🙏🇺🇸🏆

@JSFGuy Год назад

For...?

@siliconfreak2883 Год назад

I love this beautiful bird. Thanks for the video.

@BLD426 Год назад

41k ft/sec. That's an impressive climb rate.

@gryph01 Год назад

The F4 was secretly contracted by NASA to reach low earth orbit. 😁

@icewaterslim7260 Год назад

It sure as h**l would be if anything on this planet were capable without tearing the wings off,lol.

@aaronallen943 Год назад

41 thousand ft/sec is an absolutely incredible climb rate! Damn, that’s fast. 🤣🤣 Attention to detail is usually a strong suit with y’all. Anyway, I love this plane! Always has been a favorite of mine.

@MrTerrymiff Год назад

Right. 41,000 feet is about 7.75 miles. 7.75 miles times 60 = 465 miles per minute. 465 miles times 60 = 27,900 miles per hour. 27,900 divided by 767 = Mach 36. It's a wonder it didn't do the first flight to the moon. It's also good to see the A-10 Warthog doing its' bit in the Vietnam conflict. 9:36

@j.griffin Год назад

Quality has been slipping of late…

@lordchickenhawk Год назад

Also, apparently Colonel Tomb never actually existed according to postwar research

@sgransar 11 месяцев назад

Great story telling!

@petermoscone3115 Год назад

no such NV pilot by that name, nor chinese or north korean for that matter. there were several excellent NV pilots but no Col. Tomb. just a myth. a need for better research in this episode.

@Me2Lancer Год назад

I have a comment related to the absence of guns on the F4. If not mistaken, guns were later mounted on hard points to improve effectiveness in dogfights.

@pinkyellowblue007 Год назад

They used a centre mounted gun pod but it wasn't that effective because the mounting wasn't stable so it would shoot all over the place.

@lancerevell5979 Год назад

A large gun pod was developed hung on the centerline, but vibration made it less than accurate. The E model introduced the fixed nose gun. A much better solution.

@Me2Lancer Год назад

@@lancerevell5979 Thank you!

@icewaterslim7260 Год назад

Not very stable for any deflection shooting at distance which, otherwise NATO rounds are capable of if the pilot is. Eventually what they did is find a place up in front with all that weaponized tech, to put a 20 mm Vulcan Gatling type cannon in the nose of the F4E variants. Aircraft designers innovating new tech just hate to hear when their innovation or idea, whatever it is, isn't going to work and they will put off what they no doubt have convinced themselves is "devolution" as long as they can before actually being forced by the company to trash can the concept. Until then they might just try every Rube Goldberg "fix it" scheme they can dream up to try and make their idea work. .

@richardadams4928 Год назад

They have one at the Cavanaugh Flight Museum in Addison TX (Dallas area), and when you get up close, you really appreciate what a BIG airplane it is. They also have a MiG-21 and an F-105 Thunderchief, and they ain't little, either.

@fatdaddy1996 Год назад

The Mig 21 isn't that big.

@46bovine Год назад

I was in the Navy for 6 years. Served on two aircraft carriers, the USS Independence (CVA-62), 12/66 - 12/69 and the USS America (CVA-66) 12/69 - 03/71. I saw plenty of F-4's, A-4's, A-6's, EA-6's, A-7's, A-3's, KA-3's, EA-3's,,C-1's & EC-2's. They even landed a U-2 on the America just before I was assigned to that ship. I was so salty that Morton borrowed me when they had a salt shortage!

@springbloom5940 Год назад

My dad served on the Forrestal in the 60s and was exceptionally unimpressed with the Phantom, watching them shoot off the cats, fall out of sight off the end of the deck, then eventually lumber off like wounded ducks belching black smoke. Then, one day in the Med they scrambled the alert aircraft for an intercept. He said they came off the cat, stood almost straight up on their tail and disappeared like dropping a rock down well.

@jefferyroy2566 Год назад

Those tiny wings were lousy for turning and taking off into the unpredictability of windage, airborne seawater and cat power. Re: the last issue, "The foremost deficiency is that the (steam) catapult operates without feedback control. With no feedback, there often occurs large transients in tow force that can damage or reduce the life of the airframe." (Source: Doyle, Michael, Douglas Samuel, Thomas Conway, and Robert Klimowski. "Electromagnetic Aircraft Launch System - EMALS". Naval Air Engineering Station Lakehurst. 1 March. p. 1.) I take this to mean steam catapults did not provide information to the system sufficient to maintain even acceleration of the piston throughout the entire length of its 225-276 foot stroke. Those transients could lead to inconsistent delivery of forward momentum to the aircraft as well as the more often identified issue with uneven catapult force damaging airframes. I confess to not "liking" the F-4 Phantom one damn bit. Maybe I had my fill of watching Phantoms over the skies of North and South Vietnam. The lines of the fuselage are OK, but those wings look like they belong on a Dodo. This model was delivered as the pinnacle of fighter technology, but without a cannon. This was more of a psychological deficiency as few air-to-air victories resulted from cannon fire. Their inability to perform as a missile carrier was due to a combination of shitty missiles and shittier training. Ergo, the Top Gun program, which has been rendered pointless since the USAF is convinced most future airborne warfare will be conducted BVR. This is why the F-22 was discontinued and the F-15 is being turned into a "bomb truck." Certain the F-35 is too stealthy to be "seen" at the moment, it too has no cannon for WVR engagements. Obviously, this is not 55 years ago, so I hope repeating this deficiency is truly no cause for concern.

@terryconder3917 11 месяцев назад

The pilot over rotated the aircraft it happens .

@johnnydirect7815 Год назад

*41,000 feet per minute climb vs per sec.

@scottbrown6305 Год назад

When I was stationed in Korea, my parents were right next to the flightline. You could really tell when the phantoms were going to light up the day early in the morning. You could hear and feel the F-4s revving up on the line.

@blasterofmuppets4754 Год назад

Used to see F-4s of Richthofen Squadron of the Luftwaffe in Northern Germany near Wittmund when I was a child. What a beautiful bird.

@dodoubleg2356 Год назад

JUST A SUGGESTION...You might not want to say that enemy aircraft could often times "out-run (the Phantom) due to its high drag." You're effectively saying that a subsonic MIG could out-run an aircraft that held 16 major speed records, as you correctly mentioned. I would've said something like, "due to its high drag, in a dogfight, enemy aircraft would often OUT-ACCELERATE the F-4." Still enjoyed the vid. ✈️😉✌️

@dodoubleg2356 Год назад

@@who_everhought I was clear on that when I mentioned "an aircraft that broke 16 major speed records." 🤔

@pinkyellowblue007 Год назад

Not really even out-accelerate, just a better rate of turn in a dogfight situation.

@dodoubleg2356 Год назад

@Who Ever that'd be the F-4U Corsair. Beautiful gullwing design, marine blue paint, a bitch to land on a carrier... Gimme something hard next time...jkjk. 😉✈️

@Keifsanderson Год назад

@@who_ever You really proud of yourself? You are in a comment section below a video on an F-4 Phantom. Seek help.

@dodoubleg2356 Год назад

@Who Ever you're right, how dare I comment on an aircraft that flew 81yrs ago, considering I'm half that age...what was I thinking??

@lancerevell5979 Год назад

The F-4 Phantom II.... proof that with enough power, even a brick can fly. 😉

@eze8970 Год назад

TY 🙏🙏

@Britcarjunkie 10 месяцев назад

For an aircraft deemed to no longer be superior, it sure has been in active service for a long time!

@keithallver2450 Год назад

9:55 In Desert Storm wasn't the F-4 strictly relegated to the Wild Weasel role of taking out enemy air defenses like radars and SAMs?

@chargrams9906 Год назад

YES!

@JohnSmith-gq1wl Год назад

Yes it was

@h.h.6171 Год назад

The RF-4C flew in DS as well. Both Active and Guard.

@ARGONUAT Год назад

Did I miss something? What enemy attack ended the Phantom’s air superiority?

@mouser485 Год назад

I didn’t catch it either

@curbozerboomer1773 Год назад

@@mouser485 I thought I was the only one to notice that!

@kalabic9245 9 месяцев назад

Next to the F-105 Thunderchief, the F-4 Phantom was the most shot down aircraft in the Vietnam War. About 700 Phantom F-4s were shot down.

@charlesreediii5083 Год назад

One of the best aircraft ever made. As a US Marine loved when they showed up. SF.

@donscheid97 Год назад

The Air Force originally had it designated as F-110, but changed the numbering system and designation just about that same time aligning AF and Navy and started at F-4 (I think Navy used older system to arrive at that and it wasn't changed). The F-111 was last (unless you count the F-117) of the "century series" of fighters (beginning at F-100)

@raymondclark1785 Год назад

I saw spares in a Navy warehouse still marked F-110

@larrysouthern5098 Год назад

One of the first big ticket purchases I made when I was a kid was I found a model kit of the Blue Angels 1/72 scale and It had six models in the kit!! Since I was a big fan of the F4..I figured Why not make each F4 represent each branch in the services they served.. Air Force(2) Navy (2)Marines(1)..andI had decals for each plane Even for the for the Blue Angels jet!!..It worked out GREAT!! My display cabnet... Was full......I had al ( most of them)of the Vietnam era aircraft.. F101Voodoo ..B52.Fortress.F4D Skyray..A10 dragonfly Hueys..F5..and of course he F4 Phantom..I spent many happy hours working on my mini air museum!!!( I still have most of them in my garage) Thanks for great memories!!!

@brendancull8316 Год назад

It has been along time since I worked on aircraft, but the best time was back in the 80s, working on the Phantoms of the Royal Air Force, Happy Days!!!

@michaelsnow5229 Год назад

I was stationed at Seymour Johnson AFB NC 1981-1987 as an Aircraft Armament Systems Specialist loading and unloading various munitions on the F4E assigned to the 336 AGS 4 TFW. The Phantom II was challenging to troubleshoot weapons issues on some Vietnam 70's models. I transferred to the USAF reserves right before the Wing began aquiring F15E aircraft that some maintenance personnel coined Super Phantoms. My time spent at Shady J sent me TDY to Ramstein AB GE. Nellis AFB NV, Patrick AFB FL and Eglin AFB FL. Great memories to Keep em Flying!

@bobrivett7645 Месяц назад

Grew up near Patrick AFB, as a teenager I remember they had 0V-10 Broncos, an the O2 birds on base.

@johntaylor-lo8qx Год назад

Always gr8 👍

@johnbrowning7623 Год назад

Concerning what is said at 5:42: The plane's maximum rate of climb was 41,000 feet per second, not "per minute". 41,000 feet per minute is phenomenal. 41,000 feet per second would be somewhere beyond the realm of Star Trek territory. :D

@bruceleealmighty Год назад

I knew as soon as I heard that, someone had to have commented. I like the ST reference.😆

@sethl8905 Год назад

I really like your videos! This one seemed all over the place with little context. Even the title is nearly unrelated to the content.

@kh40yr Год назад

41,000 ft per second?. 28,000 mph?? lol. I reject your reality and replace it with my own. lol. the Apollo missions re-entered the atmosphere at roughly 24,000 mph. Hot Potato!!!!. One of our hired Pilots flew F4's and told us about being chased by SAM's. "A flaming golf ball trying to chase you down", later on in the war to be changed to a "flaming telephone pole trying to chase you down" . I built a Century Model Rocket of the F4 as a kid. Spent countless hours painting within the lines, and getting a good drab camo Nam paint scheme. Had the simulated hardpoints with drop tanks and sparrows. First launch it sheared the wings and tail off,,along with the underwing goodies. Got back just a paper tube, parachute and nose cone. Thanks for the Vid DS. Very cool. Keep up the work.

@bobrivett7645 Месяц назад

VMFA-AW-451, powerplants 1978/79. Watched some of the Great Santini filming, MCAS Beaufort, SC

@VNV67 Год назад

1967 the F4 was about the loudest jet I had ever heard. I was at Bein Hoa air base and they were loud. The pilots called the flying sleds.

@dgillies5420 11 месяцев назад

I flew the F-4 Phantom on the PLATO Computer System - Airfight 3D simulation game - from 1975-1980. That software inspired sublogic and microsoft flight simulator. Ostensibly there were 15 fighters to choose from but everybody chose either the F-15 or the F-4 Phantom because they were by far the best - fastest & most maneuverable.

@Fokkerc1 Год назад

I worked on F-4D Phantoms at Nellis AFB in the late 70s. It was a real workhorse.

@mikebutler9262 11 месяцев назад

The F4 had a scream that announced the arrival of Hell on wings. But, that shrill was loud and wonderful for those of us on the ground in the USMC.

@confuse9 Год назад

My first air show, held at Dulles Air Port in 1972 - at the time the worlds largest airshow - had both the Blue Angels and the Thunderbirds flying F4s - I still have the plastic models of the Blue Angels built in followng years. The F4 is still a beautiful jet.... the way a plane should look.