The Descenders of Teyvat: The Unchanging Historians of Genshin Impact [3.2 SPOILERS]

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SPOILER ALERT! At the end of the Archon Quest, Chapter III, Act V: “Akasha Pulses, the Kalpa Flame Rises,” Nahida spills the tea and leaks us some intel. We learn a lot of lore, including information about Descenders, or beings not from or of this world. There are four, and the first (she assumes) is the Heavenly Principles, and Traveller is the fourth. The second and third are unknown.
Here I postulate that the Heavenly Principles are the Second Throne, not the Primordial One or Phanes, and why that's important to the Fatui's goals. I speculate on who the other two might be, including the outlander who fell in love with a seelie, Imunlaukr, Alice, Hexenzirkel and Rhinedottir??, and the author of Vera’s Melancholy. I still can’t answer why the Abyss Sibling isn’t a Descender. But I have a feeling about why the Fatui are taking note of Descenders, and why it’s important to the false sky and the truth hidden by Irminsul. Spoiler: Celestia wants to erase history and the Descenders are the few who can be like “nah," and the "false sky" is a code term / double entendre to avoid the attention of the gods.
I also somehow managed to avoid alien jokes, and I think this is my first video in ages that doesn’t mention Pierro (don’t worry, he still makes an appearance). So, so much Genshin Lore and Speculation.
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@roozeveltfox Год назад

Correction: As of 3.3, the new artifact set "Flower of Paradist Lost" basically says that Phanes DIDN'T lose the war against the Second Throne, but uh, may have gone through a drastic personality shift. Interesting! Video on that soon enough :)

@adil0028 Год назад

So she's just shrunk into paimon

@ooo1o8o1 Год назад

The end with zhongli hit hard.. I'm always amazed by how much details they put in the game, genshin lore is really unique

@HuskerHornet3145 Год назад

Imagine if the traveler we play as isn’t the same traveler we picked during the fight, but is actually a clone/golem of the original traveler, who was killed after the fight against the heavenly principles; and our traveler is repurposed with an instinctive drive to fight the Abyss and Fatui

@KungFuAsparagus Год назад

This video has been a wholistically life enriching experience to bear witness to and I think the entire internet is doing themselves a disservice by not watching this video on repeat.

@kasuha Год назад

My theory is that the Abyss sibling is a puppet kind of like Dunyarzad was in later repeats of the Sabzeruz samsara. And the real other sibling got their own copy of Teyvat and are experiencing pretty much the same story as the sibling we chose at the start of the game.

@xeacarons Год назад

While i thought the whole teyvet is in some kind of samsara and the abyss sibling is from the previous samsara cycle, maybe that's why they were cold to traveller when they met again bcz traveller wasn't the "actual" sibling of theirs

@mariapazgonzalezlesme Год назад

Someone once mentioned that the Descenders is a parallel version of the Four Horsemen of Apocalypse, the messegers of the end of everything. For example; The Heavenly Principles and their Sustainer represents is the 1th Horseman, with a crown that represent conquest. Next is the Current Celestia, they overthrow the Primordial One and took the throne. Their current managent over of the world of Teyvat represent war, conflic and strife. Third is Alice. If she is aware of the Teyvat's border, it means that her race is from another world too. And there's the Fourth, the Traveller, on which represent the final hour and Death. On which is what the Fatui wants, the ashes of the Old World. On which the number four also represent bad omen and death as well. When it was mentioned that there's obfuscating the Abyss Sibling's fate and getting all fuzzy. My mind went to Dainsleif, the Boughkeeper, and maybe he caught about this, what a better way to cover her/their tracks by using his power to see and block the world's memory.

@roozeveltfox Год назад

oh neat! I've personally been avoiding most Descender theories up until now so it's cool to finally allow myself to see other theories. I certainly wouldn't be surprised by a connection like this, especially since I did a fairly surficial review of candidates, and there are still a LOT of questions I have that I didn't even begin to address. TY FOR SHARING!! (quick edit: I'll need some time for a more proper think through of this + any actual good commentary, ha)

@stixelay1218 Год назад

ah yes the book of revelation stuf

@SageWinchester67 Год назад

@@stixelay1218 smh 🤦

@shysenpai3032 Год назад

The 3rd descender is Colonel Sanders and Alice brought him to Teyvat.

@roozeveltfox Год назад

GOD DAMMIT SHY, I GOT SO EXCITED TO SHARE MY KFC THEORY

@adil0028 Год назад

Y'all really just forgot Aloy?😂

@ignemuton5500 Год назад

there's a conspiracy floating around that the fictional story books in universe in genshin are actually memories from different time lines that were erased. so for example during the earlier mondstadt quests the abyss order attempts to steal one of klee's books believing it to hold secret ancient powers, could this be a reference to a forgotten time? it's believed to be the case because for some unknown reason the reference to rukka is still there in the Viridescent Venerer artifact set, it's also still archived in the fruit of fulfillment description, potentially an oversight?

@roozeveltfox Год назад

yeah! I TOTALLY forgot to mention that perhaps metaphors and fables are a way of subverting the memory wipes, but I think some other lore CCs have mentioned this. Surely The Pale Princess and the Six Pygmies has to mean something given the abyss order's interest. As for missed references, I've seen people point out some things which at this point may just be oversight, OR could be relevant. E.g. apparently Ararycan will still reference Rukkha in a line. I imagine, though, these will be patched out soon enough if they're mistakes, and then we can really go ham with those crumbs...

@ignemuton5500 Год назад

@@roozeveltfox i suppose we must wait for 3.3, only after then we will know for sure if it's intentional or not

@xeacarons Год назад

Don't forget that abyss mage trying to steal Pale Princess and her Six Pygmies in lisa's quest cz according to it it hold an hidden secret. Alsooo~ that fictional lovestory Heart of Spring hinting loachfolks either as seelies or somehow their powers are connected to the moon (relating to moon sister perhaps?)

@KapiH Год назад

Even if Alice remembers Scara, it could just be due to the fact she was off world when the memories were erased, I still think the same as I used to, that Zhongli is hiding something, his dialogue shown at the end of the video points to the fact he knows things can be erased and changed, and even with his latest "correction" in his dialogue he still only mentions himself and Venti as the original 2 archons despite supposedly Nahida being now placed in everyone's mind as being the Dendro Archon that was in the war until now.

@fionadeonmeister1396 Год назад

Playstation gamer knew Traveller is a Desender since day one of the game. Since offer free exclusice Sword and Wings of Descension. Why do I have feeling that we will cause a great calamity that will decide the Fate of Teyvat. I have a feeling Istaroth knew it since day one and prepare all event to happen similar to Dr Strange avenger infinity war timeline but only one timeline ensure Teyvat survival. I have a feeling cryo archon collecting the gnosis is part of big plan we are just there to witness everything unfolds

@xeacarons Год назад

Lol i can't believe i saw these exclusives as non canon items

@robertsanssouci2093 Год назад

I believe the history of Tevat has been recorded as fictional books because someone figured out they don’t get rewritten every time there’s a soft reset. I also have a theory that Vera’s Melancholy is the outline of the Genshin Impact story. You simply need to place the correct character names into the text I also believe the Descenders are based off a poem called Paradise Lost. In that poem the fourth “fallen” was the one who wiped out fate and gave everyone free will If I recall correctly their names were, in order of descending, Lucifer, Adam, Eve and Jesus

@seni_oo Год назад

thats wild cuz in genshin these names are turned on their heads and with paimon being our loyal companion its implied that the traveller would be 'lucifer'. but we are the last descender/jesus. i wonder who adam and eve could be in this theory, lumine and aether would have been the most likely candidates but we would be the fourth descender/jesus

@robertsanssouci2093 Год назад

@@seni_oo I have no idea. I just instantly thought of Paradise Lost when they mentioned the four descenders because it’s weirdly similar to the four fallen from the poem. It wouldn’t surprise me if the four shades are the descenders/fallen Unfortunately I don’t have enough info to say who is exactly who but the MC would represent Jesus. And they would need to be sacrificed to cleanse Tevat. Much like the theme we’ve been seeing play out. But if the MC is Jesus then the sibling is Lucifer. Which makes perfect sense because they joined the abyss.

@robertsanssouci2093 Год назад

@@seni_oo I went and revisited the poem and I can now say with 💯 certainty that Genshin Impact is an interpretation of Paradise Lost It is all right there in the poem

@saberkun4506 Год назад

Paradise Lost by john milton?

@robertsanssouci2093 Год назад

@@saberkun4506 correct

@CelticBotansDigitalArt Год назад

Alice was literally my VERY FIRST option that came to mind when Nahida mentined the Descenders! Reading other ppl's comments and opinions, I think she is such a good, mysterious character that makes her a good candidate, or just someone from Teyvat who happened to find out about dimension traveling - which per se.... is already sus AF and raises so many questions since we found out about her, like how she is able to travel through worlds w/o provoking massive war worlds in Teyvat with the Heavenly Principles? Then there's the fact that the HP isnt active ever since the cataclysm, so is the Sustainer and/or the entire HP organization even alive still???? Ahhhh so many questions! I really like the others in the list as well. Someone below mentioned how weird Monsdtadt's entire history is in the first place, and how Immulaukr is suspicious, and then.... we also have Venti, who pretty much hides a lot underneath his "te-he", drunkard bard demeanor. Zhongli knows SOMETHING about the Abyss Sib but he's bound to contract, Raiden was a jock focused on war and fights back then (she's my fave, but... yeah.), and Nahida's info can be false not bc she's lying, but bc of altered History and memories like you said - also, Fatui intel is still "intel from and discovered by humans" anyway, so it's still susceptible to lies or honest mistakes. IMO, Venti is the one who knows THE MOST. 2 years into the game, we still havent got the Venti Quest 2 and I think its bc it's gonna be another lore bomb to come.

@dreamday988 Год назад

Finally someone remembering to include Imunlaukr to the list! He was the first thing that came to my mind when I was doing the quest…Like he is hella sus, dragonspine got Nuked the moment he stepped away. I cant describe how much I am trying not to think about this dude and how sussy he is and how there is little to none history in Monstad about him? Then again, Monstad is the nation with the MOST murky history being that everyone suddenly forgot they worshipped Istaroth alongside Venti and the history and timeline of events in Monstad also are murky af ngl these mf’s hiding a lot of bs and i really really REALLY hope we will have another event on Dragonspine maybe explaining some deeper lore behind it because there is so much that’s left blurry

@roozeveltfox Год назад

I totally forgot to respond to this but.... man. I didn't even consider how sussy that whole thing is when I made this. ESPECIALLY since in the Blizzard Strayer set, he's fully intent on helping Sal Vindagnyr, but the Scribe box says he 'abandoned' them.... hmmm. + everything you mentioned. Hmm.

@dreamday988 Год назад

@@roozeveltfox no worries 🫶🏻 can’t wait for next video~

@fusionplays6353 Год назад

They forget everything cuz they drink too much🥂🥂🍻🥃🥃🥃🍻

@marjhuncantago9476 Год назад

Original Lumine - Killed during Khaenria War.

@roozeveltfox Год назад

LIKE I SAID THIS WAS BEYOND THE SCOPE OF MY VIDEO BUT MY BRAIN GO BRRR

@huismands Год назад

You're missing a possible Descender, who is DEFINITELY not from Teyvat: Aloy

@eeeeeyeap Год назад

she came after the traveller so is the 5th (nobody said there were only 4!!!!)

@JohnnyIsHere_ Год назад

Maybe one of the descenders is close to the Cryo archon... Maybe one of the Fatui even. The abyssal twin is already part of Tyevat history probably because she (i play Aether) woke up first and ventured throughout the world and took part on a major event (the cataclysm) and then Celestia did something altering her nature or simply bounding her to that world so she would now, as everyone else, be bound to those so called "heavenly principles" and finally recording everything , like a backup, on Irminsul.

@huismands Год назад

Wasn't there a theory that the whole of Teyvat is a simulation made by a computer shot into space by characters from Honkai or something? That one still holds the most ground for me. There are so many references to the world being digital, from Zhongli's mention of a "backup" to Nahida's charged attack animation being a selection tool, to ghosts appearing like holograms, etc. Irminsul being the harddrive (memory) of the world. Which could also explain how an outside force (basically a virus) could "hack" reality and create.. oh I don't know, a false sky for example.

@huismands Год назад

Ley lines would be the circuitry of course. Also with Genshin's developers obviously being fans of NieR, it could be that they "borrowed" the idea of Sleeping Beauty from that game (a giant Tree that's secretly a computer).

@northstar67 Год назад

Not really, the honkai verse has the technology to take a peak into these worlds but teyvat being a "simulation" or it being the project ark or something still doesn't have any grounds.

@ChikyuuKun Год назад

@@northstar67 It has already been confirmed since chapter 17 when Teyvat was observed by Otto himself. Also Griseo was in charge of the project ARK and MHY has explained every project in details except for the ARK. So no, Honkai ones still is valid.

@RenaDeles 8 месяцев назад

@@northstar67So matrix style virtual realities are very real in both honkai star rail and honkai import 3rd. The later the main plot spends a good few chapters in, and eventually an AI herrscher tries to escape that realm. It's very similar to how the dream worked in act 2 of sumeru, so while I don't think we'll get a direct a connection from GI to HI3 explicitly stated as HSR to HI3 has, it's *very* food for thought. And yeah in hi3 one of the solutions a group came up with for the alien invasion of the honkai was to just have some people leave Earth so some of humanity would survive. That option is Project Ark, which the ship for that did leave but they lost contact with it. With Teyvat meaning ark, it's had people suspicious since day one.

@ilucasz Год назад

I guess that when they say "Descender" they don't mean only a single individual, but maybe a group coming together. So, in the twin's case they are called one single Descender because they came together. I don't know, in the end I'm maybe just making up a excuse, but that would solve some doubts.

@MaththeNoob Год назад

A theory that I don't particularly like, but I have to admit is solid, is that the third and fourth descenders are the twins, but the abyss twin is a homunculus clone and therefore our true twin is not recorded on the irminsul, but the abyss twin is.

@darkfantasy1782 Год назад

I like it^^ Just about that that are sibling is not the descender , that all happend after we erased the old dendro archon.. So we changed the information in Irminsul, and that could maybe change some stuff from now on. And did it happened before?

@heyitzmae Год назад

FINALLY someone else who points out that alice is very likely a descender

@jaguch612 Год назад

the doctor can experiment on me on a good day

@saberkun4506 Год назад

How about the light prince from the infamous pale princess and six pygmies???

@emilia9249 Год назад

paimon could also be deemed an unreliable narrator, due to the fact that she has lost her memory

@obseed3041 Год назад

Alice can't be a descender. When Nahida talked about the descenders, she said "I still need to verify their EXISTENCE" when referring to the 2nd and 3rd. It's most likely that she already has the names of the descenders the fatui has recorded. She already knows that the first and fourth actually exist so what's left to do is look for the other two. If Alice is one of those two, then wouldn't Nahida already say that? She knows Alice exists. The only way that I could think of that would disprove my theory is if Alice was known by a different name when the fatui recorded her as a descender. Nahida states that she "hypothesizes" that the first descender is who WE know as the heavenly principles. TL;DR: My hypothesis is: Nahida's dialogue implies that she already knows who the descenders are, she just needs to know if they still exist in Teyvat. Alice can't be a descender because Nahida knows she exists already. The null hypothesis is: Nahida theorizes that the first descender is the heavenly principles. this implies that she knows the names of the descenders when they first descended but not the current names they use in the peresent. Alice could go by a different name when she first descended.

@roozeveltfox Год назад

The only thing about that: does Nahida actually know about Alice? (Did I miss a line about that?) I might usually extrapolate that based on the fact the other archons (so far) know her, and she's just generally widely known, buuuut Nahida has also been very sheltered. At the same time other people have also pointed out that she MAY be from this world in the first place and just travelled a lot (and that may be alluded to by other elvish people like Pulcinella and now Layla). I can go either way on this, given the dearth of info. 😅 I'm personally interested in seeing if Vera's Melancholy has any bigger implications!!!

@obseed3041 Год назад

@@roozeveltfox Yeah lmao, I don't think Nahida knows her personally but even with her sheltered upbringing, it's hard to believe she hasn't heard of Alice. Not to mention, Alice is the author of many guides right? Also Nahida has interacted with Alice's technology before. I think Nahida would most likely look for information about the person who could make such things too. Alice's existence is widely known which makes me think that Nahida couldn't miss her if she was recorded as a descender. Unless, as I said, Alice went by a different name long ago. That could explain why Nahida is still having trouble confirming the information about the 2nd and 3rd descenders.

@roozeveltfox Год назад

@@obseed3041 wait. hear me out. a lot of people think 'Erisu' listed in The Byakuyakoku Collection is Alice. COINCIDENCE???

@obseed3041 Год назад

@@roozeveltfox ooohhh maybe that's the name given to Nahida 🤔🤔 maybe not a coincidence after all 😃🍻🎉

@zelktheinvader7874 Год назад

Alice is most likely a Descender now that we look at the Wanderer character explanation video. She said that she can pretend to not remember

@zayedkhan2780 Год назад

From 2nd and 3rd descendars, 1 is fatui through which they got so many information and lastly there can be no descendar other than paimonnnnnnnnnnn

@plingploong Год назад

In the Flowers of Paradise lost artifact set it hints that Phanes beat the second throne, but in doing so ended the illusion that they were benevolent? I guess? Plus Zhongli 😢

@justchica3243 Год назад

There’s a lot of support towards Alice being a descender because she says in scaras collected miscellany she didn’t forget him just like the traveler

@jlwk55 Год назад

i think at least one of the descenders is fatui

@FurryBunny536 10 месяцев назад

I’m almost thinking maybe Jhongli might be a descender, he was there before Teyvat

@kat1722 Год назад

i wonder if the fatui know about the abyss twin, ive always assumed they did, or those who do know we're searching for our twin and those who know we're a descender just arnt telling each other. or maybe the twins are counted as one? instead of being recorded as descenders (individuals) its four descents (events) but is our twin/what we do not now being currently recorded in irminsul? if not by what we do then at least by others knowing/remembering/interacting with us(3rd hand)? maybe thats how tha abyss twin started being recorded, after all it does say one day Atwin just turned up

@roozeveltfox Год назад

Oh! As Scaramouche said in the Interlude, Pierro DEFINITELY knew sibling. But I'm still grappling with the concept of Descenders even today 🫥

@Xanxanaxa Год назад

Dainslef: I am realiable just ask

@papalollipop9204 Год назад

What if the fatui just don't know about her? Unless I'm forgetting I don't remember fatui mentioning her

@Itsvagaa Год назад

Interesting ride! Count me in.

@AhmedMohammed-pf3jk Год назад

Im unsure , i think dainsleif could be one as he has otherworldly powers

@jaguch612 Год назад

umm is the best npc in the game, i don't take other opinions. best name on the database.

@someonelol5796 Год назад

Aloy is one of the 4 descenders why does everyone forget her

@VetusXRoxy1202 Год назад

In Aloy’s character trailer, it was Alice who narrates it. she literally states that aloy is the 5th descender, so unfortunately no. Aloy isn’t one of the four descenders.

@seni_oo Год назад

aloy is not part of the canonical story, shes a business deal

@lazyvoid7107 Год назад

@@seni_oo Uh no she is canon cry about it

@zelktheinvader7874 Год назад

@@lazyvoid7107 i still see her as a business deal. She has 0 appearance in the story

@user-qr4jf4tv2x Год назад

just theory but i think lumine is already dead and the one we see is a clone

@hellothere-us7iw Год назад

The other twin maybe a clone, clone theme exist in genshin.

@mimik173 Год назад

6:50 I thought you would metion Aloy

@user-cy6gs2ct4o Год назад

what if the desenders werent exaclly not from teyvat but the rules of the world that does not apply to them And in my opinion i think that the third desender might be dainslef I mean when you think about it it makes sence right

@Xanxanaxa Год назад

Thous are just fatui info remamber khaenri'ah (pierro too) don't have the info of the book

@ryugurena3327 Год назад

Isn't Fischl a decender?

@roozeveltfox Год назад

The Fischl we know (Amy) is just someone who likes to LARP, haha. HOWEVER, the actual book Flowers for Princess Fischl may have deeper meaning, given its content (e.g. dreams, immernachtreich, etc) and the fact that its author Mr. Nine wrote another sussy book that references both Irmin and (fictional) Fischl. I don't have a full analysis done on those yet, but they could be fiction trying to preserve history / avoid any memory wipes...