The Sinner and The Curse (Spoilers for "Caribert": Genshin Impact 3.5 Lore, Theory, & Speculation) 

I think Kaeya is lying. He was clearly aware that Dain was around listening, so I think everything he said, including the mentioning of his last name, was on purpose to lure him out.

My biggest question is what's up with the Khaenri'ah/Abyss' obsession with sending their people to Mondstadt? Kaeya's father sent him there and Rhinedottir too sent Albedo. Why Mondstadt of all places? They also used the Anemo Arcon statue.

Man i wish Kaeya was a bigger part of this quest

I find it awfully convenient for Kaeya to visit Sumeru when the Sinner appears there. Not to mention the Defiled Statue happened in Monstadt while Kaeya was in Monstadt. I dunno how Kaeya is tied to this, all I know...when these things happen, Kaeya is there...and besides him, the traveller and Dain there are no other people who we know of that have been at the same time at the same area when this occurances happened.

One thing I find interesting was the word choice of ‘Caribert is my illegitimate son’. It was a very strange word choice instead of just ‘he is my son’. That’s why I personally don’t think Caribert and Kaeya are the same person. It came across that he loved Caribert greatly whereas Kaeya was treated as a tool.

I think it's sus that we had this dream right when the abyss was messing with the lay lines. I feel like they knew where we were, and set this memory upon us intentionally.

Threads of fate will be yours to re-weave. Fate...

Caribert was the illegitimate son, does that mean that Kaeya is descendant of a legitimate line?

I feel like the Sinner wasn’t talking to the sibling. I think he was talking to US the traveler THROUGH the sibling.

We meet kaeya in the same Archon Quest that we meet a Cryo Herald. Hmmmm, if that is not a suspicious coincidence i dont know what is...

I’m definitely on the theory the voice could of been King Irnmin. Its also scaring me that Paimon has so many death flags coming on now. We even hugged her, the one who teases Emergency Food. Something bad is going to happen soon… But I’m SO SAD this quest was so short and we will take a year to see Dain again to further it…Just sucks we are spoon fed information unlike consol games that give you a full story to love all at once. Something just not satisfying anymore the more this game goes on for me.

WHAT A QUEST! This Quest really made me notice the difference in Kaeya's and Dain's eyes too! Also the Sinner's identity being Naberius makes a lot of sense, if they go through that route I wonder what Rhinedottir plans to do with the Eye of Naberius D:

I do think Kaeya’s role as Kheanri’a’s last hope will be soon revealed. And I still think he has the curse and his covered eye might mean something. Think about how the hillichrul cover their faces with mask, Or dont have a features on their faces. The topic of the video is very interesting!

If Kaeya is descended from Clothar, then Kaeya is by necessity a descendant of Caribert, since Caribert is the only child we know Clothar had. Meaning Clothar succeeded in turning Caribert human again. He probably broke both his own curse and Caribert’s, letting him die while letting Caribert live as a human again. So Kaeya not being affected by the curse and aging normally is due to Caribert being cured of the curse and his descendants also being free of it. Another possibility is that Caribert was the human skelleton buried under the farm. That Caribert was cured of the curse, lived his life, then died. And that would leave Clothar to bury him and then go mad, maybe disappearing into the abyss. I know we were TOLD that Clothar’s skeleton was the one under the farm but that might be the writers intentionally misleading us. I wonder how Kaeya fits into the Loom of Fate situation. He’s definitely important to it in some way.

I'm also sad that we didn't get more Kaeya screentime. Feels like a waste. On the Sinner, my bet is on him being King Irmin, but he was a regular king until he found the forbidden knowledge of the abyss. I think Kaeya is definitely half-blood kanhenrian. I think Caribert became a higher creature of the abyss, an Abyss Herald. Clothar was in pain during the scene when Caribert is about to take his mask off. But after we wake up, he is happy and hopefull. About Caribert he said "Is wonderful. He will weave his own destiny". Caribert became a "trascendent one" who raised "beyond the fate bestowed upon" him. The common theme of defying one's fate, makes one a "sinner" repeats once again. When we met the Cryo herald, Clothar thought how perfect he was. The said he was in awe. I believe the abyssal power can turn hilichurls into stronger, sentient, smarter creatures. Maybe that's why we see Hilichurls bowing down to the Sinner/Irmin. The promise of a better, powerful state of being, free from the curse. Also the promise of revenge against Celestia. And so was the Abyss Order born. We know Abyss Heralds can take human form if they wish so. It makes sense for Caribert to be able to procreate with a human woman, in his human form. Or with kanhenrian women that got the "cure" as well. That's why Kaeya is not cursed. Pierro doesn't seem cursed either. Is obvious they are related, i just don't know to what extent. Since Clothar could have also had more children, abyss power granted (personally I think Pierro is Kaeya's grandfather) Also, Kaeya in his voice lines when he talks about Kahenriah, he says The legacy of Khaenri'ah is long gone. The sinners are all that's left, and they're not worth mentioning. Surely he knows more than he tells us. Anyway this quest was awesome, left me hungry for more lore. 😭😭

Everyone else in the game says that nobody can escape their fate. Literally everyone. Yet, the “Sinner” tells them to “Go forth, become a transcendent one, rise beyond the fate bestowed upon you…” The Sinner is basically telling them to defy fate. That, in my opinion, means that the Sinner might be able to… manipulate, anybody who is desperate to escape their fate, by promising that they can defy it. And Mona’s lines about Kaeya say that “fate will catch up with him”, and that “he will have a major decision to make”. We all assume that he would choose Mondstadt over the abyss/Khaenri’ah, because- well, why wouldn’t he? But, what if the Sinner ends up promising him something? Hmm, definitely something to remember when as we continue into the future of Genshin. As for the identity of the Sinner, as well as being King Irmin, they could also be a shade of the Primordial one, right? Because they rise above Space and Time. Just speculation tho. Chlothar went on, from the end of the quest, to create the “defiled statue”, right? From what I can tell, he was trying to mimic what the Sinner looked like. The choice to use a statue of the seven is an interesting one then. Perhaps the Sinner also had a statue of the seven within it, which would explain his thoughts in using the statue of the seven? Or not, who knows? Also, Chlothar in real life had multiple children, I’m relatively certain. One called “Charibert”, of course. If Kaeya is supposed to be the descendent of Chlothar, as Dainsleif said, then… That would either make him a descendent of Caribert, or Chlothar’s other child, if he has one. Yet, if Kaeya doesn’t have the curse, then surely it makes more sense for him to be a descendent of Caribert instead? Because… he would be cured, right? Then again- we don’t know what *happened* to Caribert. But at least we’ve rounded it down to two options, I guess? Also, was Halfdan pureblood or not? Because he had eyes very similar to Dainsleif’s, but they were also a little smaller. Is that to say that he was a mixed blood, and that’s why he turned into a serpent knight thing? And why did they turn into the knight things to begin with? Were they given ‘special treatment’ too, because they used to be knights as well? But why?? Also, heavy speculation here, but- I feel like the current leader of the abyss order might be Pierro. Sounds random, but hear me out. Not only does he look very similar to Kaeya, outfit-wise, but just remember what happened to some of the harbingers after they encountered the abyss. They were mysteriously recruited to the Fatui to become harbingers. (Also? I would prefer the current leader of the abyss order to have a cool design, like Pierro’s, rather than an NPC design because Hoyoverse clearly isn’t afraid to do that! So I’m just going to hope it’s Pierro.) I’ve got much more to say, but I’ve also got zero evidence to support any of my thoughts, so I’m not going to mention them here yet LMAO. Anyways, amazing video as always!!! I’ve been looking for theory videos on 3.5 and this is the first one I’ve seen lmao- you were pretty quick with uploading this! I wish Dainsleif had stayed a little longer with us, but, oh well. Guess they’re saving even juicier lore for next time. Hope Kaeya might return in the next one too, but… idk. Maybe Hoyoverse is just laughing at us rn, and is saving Kaeya’s next appearance for the Khaenri’ah arc ;-; Have a wonderful day, as always! Cya! ✨

This quest has me somewhat convinced that the loom of fate is kaeya, a machine might be involved but it's mostly a person

From the new five-star claymore "Beacon of the Reed See", the weapon story claims that "Like the eye that shone with a golden light and the noble heart, King Deshret was once the destination of all paths..."If I understand it correctly, King Deshret only has one eye (in chinese the description is 独目, literally means single eye). And Khaenri'ah contributes the most amount of people who have one eye or only show one eye to other: Irmin, Kaeya, and also the Jester. Given the fact that Khaenri'ah is under somewhere near Sumeru, King Deshret may have some sort of connection to Khaenri'ah. And dont forget the the people of Khaenri'ah were the ones who somehow fulfill the ambition of King Deshret and the goddess of flower. As stated in "Wilting Feast" in Flower of Paradise Lost artifact set: "You seek but to chain the winds. Upon the tombstone of divinity shall humanity become the god of gods." "Such a carefree dream was certain to be unmade. In ruins where lies are sundered, humanity will become the king of kings." Brilliant as she was, even she could not easily predict when these little beings would finally realize the truth... "... Have these so-called gods not been superfluous to you since the beginning?"

You using a manga panel reminded me--The Caribert quest seems to highlight the difference b/w Kaeya's pupil and Dainsleif's, but in all the official art including his pull art make the diamond much more pronounced, and the difference less noticeable. It's drawn so consistently in art that I'm wondering if it's on his reference sheet given to artists, and if so then what is it supposed to "truly" look like? The game version or the rendered art?

I have summary about this archons quest lore bomb. First we already know that our abyys siblings is indeed Princess/prince from khaenriah ( not just simple high rank noble from abyys ). And if you look up more to the gnostic chorus it's actually really I mean REALLY resemblance of Our journey/ abyys journey.. how so? First.. our abyys siblings got summoned there because Khaenriah pray/ asking for help.. but litte they know our twin actually got forced to get there by Celestia ( banished her/him to khaenriah ). And we got something about the 'Purple Thing' or 'Sinner'. What if the 7 were summoned to the khaenriah and even Celestia itself going there.. actually Confronting the 'sinner' not just destroying khaenriah but the whole khaenriah at that time is already got consumed by Its power ( abyys ). And remember Raiden ei said about khaenriah.. he said 'That Thing' ← she afraid of it, what if 'That Thing' is actually the 'sinner'! I mean.. why Tevyat need 7 archons and Celestia itself to take care it if not something Greater something evil Is actually happening in khaenriah which they can't handle ( khaenriah people. The sinner could be the second who came which Goddess of flower said.. the second brought illusion and delusion.

The Sinner HIGHLY reminds me of Herrschers from Honkai. I don't know enough about Honkai to make a clear connection but the way the Sinner looks like a Herrscher core is REALLY interesting.

Paimon’s hair pin beging the same shape as Khaenri’ah pure blood eyes gives to believe that she comes from there too. I also get the feeling that the divine principles and the sky being fake are all LINKED

I think towards the endgame, Kaeya will have much of a prominent role since we now know he is a descender of the abyss order and because of what Mona said about him in her voice line

I too, actually, connected The Sinner to a shade. If we go by Artifact theory (four shades are: life, death, eon and eonothem while phanes is logos), The Sinner kinda fits for the shade of Eonothem or Space/Void. The whole dungeon we go through had Space related mechanics (teleport, upside down) and the Void is quite literal connection to the Abyss and Void realm IMO.

the question that still bugs me - it’s said that gods cursed khaenriah people, and ok I get the curse of immortality but the wilderness curse? gods do not control the abyss so how could they curse someone with abyssal power?

i think the reason kaeya is isnt a hilichurl is because he was born after the curses where applied to them

another thing about why i think kaeya is not a pure blood khaenrhian. his skin colour is a bit much darker than dainsleif and eide who are pure blood. and we know that Mihoyo didn't do many dark-skinned characters, it can't be just an insignificant detail.

honestly the thing with abyssal corruption is still making me stretch my braincells to unerstand, specially because everytime we learn more about the abyss I always go back to look at Foul Legacy, seeing that it is a manifestation of abyssal power. Also, the cryo herald had the same starry effects in some of his attacks as Dainsleif, and yet, because the abyss order didn't exist yet then, just where do lectors and heralds come from? In away as I see we have 1) the hilichurl curse which is universal in a way because not only khaenri'ahns were cursed with it but also many other civilizations seeing hilichurls existed long before Khaenri'ah's fall and only exploded in number after the cataclysm 2) Heralds, lectors and Foul legacy are manifestations of abyssal power but not exclusive to neither Khaenri'ahns (thanks childe) nor the abyss order 3) The curse of imortality apparently does not cause the appearence of the cursed to change and yet dainsleif has a strange power clinging to his arm and face, additionally, In the teyvat trailer it is implied that Dainsleif's power is a "power from beyond" and linked to whatever it is that has made his arm and face weird so whatever power the cryo lector had was possibly linked to that, and seeing it was the keeper of the fates end and the only thing that seems to be capable of defying fate is the traveler, who comes from beyond teyvat (theoretically) and yet uses a power much similar to light than starry, there is something in there that we don't know 4) Something happened to the Alberich bloodline and either Clothar had other children or Caribear broke the curse and had his own descendants himself so this would explain why Kaeya apparently does not have any curse 5) There is something behind that eyepatch of Kaeya, if not, there is a meaning behind him wearing it 6) Grandpa Alberich shares too many similarities with the actions of the dwarf Alberich from Das Rhinegold, who stole a golden piece from three maidens and that piece was capable of absurd power, and dwarf Alberich was cursed by the Maidens. Khaenri'ah lore is wild

I was always under the impression that the curse was a one off thing. That it only affected those present at the cataclysm. It makes no sense that if two pure bloods survived and had a kid, that theyre automatically immortal. If thats the case, Khaenrians could easily rebuild their nation of immortals. Or on the opposite end, that if a pure blood has a child with a non Khaenrian that theyll automatically become a hilichurl. So I assume either Kaeya is descened from Clothar himself, his son Caribert when he was cured, or another direct relative like a sibling of Clothar that wasnt mentioned. Either way, I believe Kaeya is definitely a half blood.

Maybe the difference in transformations for the Khaenri'ahn's who transferred is that for Abyss Mages, Lecters, and Harolds they were Khaenri'ahn's who embraced the abyssal power the Khaenri'ahn's who were not full-blooded and didn't embrace the abyssal power or were unaware were turned into hilichurl

yall after all that i am never ever going to kill a single hilichurl ever again

oh my god okay i just haf to comment this cause i was watching thjs video in the background and then i got the one genshin ad youtube loves to show me. of caribert going "i cant take it" then dain goind "i think that he might have seen you." RIGHT AFTER you finished summing up the quest, saying dains line. my jaw fucking dropped at the coincidence like holy damn i know its just the yt algorithm feeding it to me man, the timing was fuckigg impeccable, i wish i could record it lmao.

17:06 no, it was Zhongli's doing afaik, like Guyun. And the celestial nail also played a part. Also, the most plausible theory is The Second Who Came. Because Irmin isn't really mentioned like that. Neither is Neberius (however TF you spell it). Certainly not in any omnipotent capacity. And since the "sinner" saw us (current day traveler) through our link to our sibling's memories......it absolutely makes sense that it's a primordial being. Someone who had the power to make (or remake in the Second Who Came's case) the world and all living creatures on it.

I knew the moment I found out about Caribert, yours is a video I'd be looking forward to most! XD

I have to start with a question. Does Caribert was Clothars only son? Because if so, then either Clothar had more children after the cataclysm when he somehow got rid of his curse (unless you can have kids while being immortal), or Caribert was turn into human again. Otherwise how could Kayea come into being? If Kaeya is the descendant of the Alberich clan, then one of the two mentioned above must have had children. Or Kaeya is cured Caribert.

considering all the odin references, i am almost convinced the sinner is the one eyed king irmin.

The thing with Kaeya is that he's not a hilichurl (obviously, have you seen a hilichurl as beautiful as my baby girl?). But he's also able to age (he grew up with Diluc). So is he not affected because he was born after the Boom or being immortal implies that he will grow to a certain age (about 20 ish) then stops.

2 or 3 days ago i commented on a short that was about the new dain quest and in my comment i mentioned that kaeyas pupils where smaller than the ones of dain or pierros which could indicate that he could be half Khaenri'ahn and maybe sumerian (bc of his skin and hair color). actually thought I was the only one who noticed this so when you said something about it in the vid i was actually very happy! ( 'v' )

Do you think that the Sleeper tribe of Hilichurls that you see so many of scattered in the desert, are former citizens of King Deshret with their longing for the golden Slumber, as contrasted with the Eclipse tribe of Hilichurls? And if so do you think there's any connection between them and the "Fortune Lector"?

I think the 2nd throne is indeed the Abyss - makes sense if it is, and can undo Celestia's curse AND change fate.

Great listen, fantastic vid!

What if a strongly expressed allogene was the difference. Between changing into hillychurls and other transformations. The closer you were to celestia the harder it would be to be corrupted. The khaenri'ahns didn't have a god when they fell but that doesn't mean they weren't related to one in the past. Or conversely they were decended from a decender and the ones who transformed when cursed or infected with abyssal energy were only those of 'mixed' blood

I love your lore analyses more than others! because...yeah...they make sence! thanks for this I enjoyed it

Makes sense that khaenri’h is near sumeru, bcuz in a spot of sumeru forest there’s a button that says enter when you click it it takes you to the chasm

The sinner is the first god perhaps. Failing to protect teyvat is his sin.

Im betting on second who came cause we need some cannon connections on that part of The story to the rest, could also serve to connect siblings to primordial one etc

Crack Theory: What if Kaeays mother was a descendent of King Deshret? I mean him and Candace look oddly similar and although I know that’s not enough to go on I still would find that idea interesting

i love your channel icon hehehe sily tibetan fox kaeya

I've been thinking about the line where Clothar says Caribert has become the 'loom of fate', and I wonder if when Clothar prayed in front of the purple crystal and then fed it to his son, this allowed whatever is imprisoned in the crystal to become free. It couldn't use the worshipping hilichurls as a vessel because they're already under another gods dominion, but because Clothar was from Khanria he could use him as a medium to escape. Perhaps Caribert turned into whatever was trapped in the crystal when he took off his mask? Would explain why there was nothing left when we went back down after 'healing' Caribert.

I believe that Kaeya is actually none other than Caribert. Caribert's mother is from Mondstadt, the buried skeleton at the end suggests that Chlothar somehow managed to overcome the curse, presumably Caribert's as well. We weren't told what happened to Caribert. My guess is that's why in the end Caribert fell into a statis or something like that and centuries later Chlothar was able to break the curse and then took Caribert, now a simple boy now, to Mondstadt and then died himself.

Definitely interesting dive on our eyepatch guy from monsdadth

I just got back from watching your video about Irmin, and I can now confidently say his demon name is Samyaza. A "Sinner" that fell in love with a human.

if he's addressing the traveler... bow down... "creature"... pretends to know fate... he's zero for three. If he's addressing the Sibling he's at best one for three, and probably zero. So I think he's probably not addressing either of them. You get that going around addressing people as "Oh creature" is a claim to be divine? Jokes on him because the Twins are outlanders and not part of the PO's creation.

And so we were summoned just like Hilichurls lured by the "sinner" Void voice.

If you need high-quality footage from quests in the future, you can ask me; I play on full graphics, which helps a lot for these kids of vids

We can't actuly know if he is a diract decandat pf clothar dain saied that baised on the last name and he is unrelyable narrator cuz if his memory

i also thought he is irmin but also marana theory too... i don't know about the second who coming, because it feels too overwhelming if it was them

the thing about the medicine ingredients is that they're all impostors. the kalpalata lotus is named such only because it looks like a lotus, and the sumeru rose isn't actually a rose. the mushroom also looks like a suspiciously red rukkhashava mushroom but it grows in a field like a regular crop instead of a mushroom. (as regular as you can get with that kind of messed up fertilizer at least). the only true lotus we know of in sumeru, the one that alleviated eleazar, is the nilotpala lotus specifically.

About the curse of immortality: what if the people of Khaenri'ah wanted to not only surpass the gods but obtain their status and level of immortality. By becoming immortal themselves it forces them to experience what life is like for the gods. They shepherd humanity, watching their friends die in the archon war and human generations pass without even ageing even slightly, experiencing the horrors and strifes of the world for centuries by themselves, and taking on the heavy responsibilities/fates that come with being a god. Including, the fate of simply knowing too much, and losing their mind to erosion. Yet they still aren't willing to feel sympathy or even empathy for the gods because of the destruction of Khaenri'ah.

It’s very possible that Kaeya’s dad is full blooded and had a child with someone who who is not from Khaenri’ah rather recently. I doubt hilichurls are birthed, so being a half blooded Khaenriahn born after the cataclysm would leave you unaffected by the curse. After all, he wasn’t there to be cursed

Im wondering if Clothar initially wanted to cure the curse with the Abyss Order but later he or others wanted revenge. Maybe he was able to break the curse for his bloodline, or just himself, and Kaeya is either a descendant of his after he broke the curse on himself and his future bloodline post curse, or he was able to break the curse on lots of people and Kaeya is descended from the result. Either way I think Kaeya is a last descendant of another faction of the abyss order or leftover Khaenrians who have a different purpose than the current abyss order whether or not he’s directly descended from Clothar or a different Alberich.

Kaeya’s mother was something other than Khaenri’ah. His father brought him to Monstadt to stay with Diluc’s father. So he was not in Khaenri’ah when the curse was imposed on all the residents. Yes. he is torn between Mondstadt, Khaenri’ah and the abyss. Dian and he met before when Dainslief was in Monstadt meeting The traveler and gave them the 500.00 and three questions. The second time of Dian and Kaeya meeting was in Sumeru.

I think Kaeya isn't a pure-blood and the reason he doesn't have the curse is that he was born long after the cataclysm. I.e., the Alberich bloodline married people from other nations. Caribert was cursed because he was born before the cataclysm. Meaning, he was there when the people of Khaenri'ah was being curse. Say, for example, Clothar marries again 100 years after the cataclysm with people from other nations, his child won't be cursed. I think that's how the curse works: it was cast during the cataclysm only, so the one being affected were those who lived by then

Our abyssal sibling is the abyss as stated in the quest . I think the sinner is FATE itself

Let me say something..Kaeya is not pure blood because of his eyes- Pureblood have distinct light blue eyes, unless Kaeya hides the other eye because of that. (look at Pierro and halfdan, even Albedo has light blue eyes) Also dain’s memories about this are fecked up: at the beginning of the quest he says that our sibling mentioned Loom of fate to him BEFORE they were at sumeru, and at the end of the quest he says totally didn’t thing.. Also, about sinner, i think he is the one who is fecking up the fate of our sibling (archon quest sumeru, last act when we talk to Nahida), Nahida says someone is obscuring our siblings fate and its someone so powerful that can feck up Irminsul at will-

I would like to point out the memories wont be from 500 years ago its from some time after as the fall and destrunction of kaneriah happend exactly 500 years prior. From the siblings memory its obvious the destrution has occured but the abyss order isnt made we dont actually have any idea of exact dates yet or time length of how long the abyss order has been around

Time for a weird and very specific theory of mine: I think Kaeya is a half-blood Khaenri'ahn and was part of the Royal Family Alberich . In the play , were he plays as the protagonist , the story is about a prince that struggles between his two nations and how to find peace. I fully think it not only tells us about what he roll might be in the story but his origins ; He is of royal blood ( a prince ) and probably his mother ( of father but i think is mother ) was from mondstadt . First question : Why is he alive today and grew up normally with diluc and his adoptive father ? I think because he was a half-blood that he was curse as a Hilichurl for a while , and either his father or grandfather were able to break the curse and then leaving kaeya to live with diluc's dad. We arleady know that chlothar was able to break the curse so i don't see it as a stretch. Also i'm convinced that he is related to Pierro , and that he knows. (idk if Pierro is his father or grandfather though) That would explain his fight with Diluc after the dead of his dad. All we know is that Kaeya told diluc something about his past and that's what if caused them to fight- But why dliuc would have gotten so angry because Kaeya was from Khaenri'ah ? he surely wouldn't care and it actually seems irrelevant. BUT , what if Kaeya actually told Diluc that he is Family with the guy that runs the organization that killed Diluc's dad? That would defiitely have more weight and sense. Final Point : I think he is a Khaenri 'ah Prince . Like , it was a headcannon of mine because i thought it was cool but if i had a drink everytime someone in game calls Kaeya something Prince or Royal related i would already be on the floor passed out drunk . So now i'm sure he's a 100% a prince , like COME ON HE HAS THE FACE FOR IT

These quests are the only fun part of this game at this point 😭 Can’t wait for the next chapter

Just a couple of thoughts I'd like to add regarding the Kaeya discussion. Mind you, these thoughts mainly come from when the Caribert quest was still new and fresh and we didn't have the additional Kaeya lore crumbs we've gotten since then, because bringing that info in might not necessarily be fair: 1. Someone else in the comments brought it up already, but I'll mention it here: It could be that the curse was a one-off thing, not something that continually re-applied itself over more generations of Khaenri'ahns. That's what I'd always assumed, as it just didn't make logical sense to me for the curse of immortality or hilichurlism to keep being applied to any new khaenri'ahns born. If this is the case, and the curse is indeed a one-off thing, then there's an easy explanation for why there'd be a khaenri'ahn population still around to eventually produce Kaeya, and why Kaeya would be unaffected by the curse. The immortal pureblood khaenri'ahns could've easily had kids amongst each other, giving birth to mortal children who would grow up and have kids of their own and die, and those kids may have descendants of their own, and so on. And all of these khaenri'ahns, because they were born after the cataclysm, would've been unaffected by the curses. That would include Kaeya. Now, we don't know if this is true, since we don't know if the curse was indeed a one-off thing, but it seems like such a simple solution that surprisingly few theorists seem to consider that I really wanted to bring it up. 2. As pointed out in the video, there are heavy implications that Kaeya is not a pureblood Khaenri'ahn, and I'm glad those were highlighted. That said, I do think there is one last factor to consider which further supports the idea that Kaeya is half-khaenri'ahn. Putting this as delicately and respectfully as I can and trying to avoid heavy topics as much as I can here: the pureblood khaenri'ahns we have met so far have all been white. Halfdan, Dainsleif and Clothar all have rather pale skin. Kaeya does not, his skin tone is darker. Genetics wise, he doesn't look like a pureblood Khaenri'ahn, based on all the examples we've seen so far of pureblood Khaenri'ahns. Rather, Kaeya's features of dark skin with dark blue hair resemble Setaria's, a character from Sumeru's desert region. I'm not saying that the two are related. I'm just saying that we've seen at least one prominent NPC who happens to come from Sumeru and who looks more like Kaeya than any of the canonical pureblood Khaenri'ahns do (also, maybe this is just me, but Setaria's role in the archon quest being centered on her split loyalties reminded me a lot of Kaeya's torn loyalties, I feel like there's some shared themes there, maybe some subtle foreshadowing? I don't know, I've seen no one else bring this up, maybe it's just me). This, as well as other hints which appear in later versions, makes me and others strongly think that Kaeya is half-Sumeran half-Khaenri'ahn. Considering that Khaenri'ah is revealed to be essentially underground from Sumeru, it makes sense that, of all regions, it would be someone from Sumeru who'd encounter Kaeya's khaenri'ahn parent (most likely his father) and produce a half-blood khaenri'ahn child in Kaeya. 3. About Dainsleif saying that Kaeya is a descendant of Clothar Alberich, while they are obviously related in some regard as they're from the same family, can we also acknowledge that Dainsleif has no way of knowing if Kaeya is Clothar's direct descendant? Because, based on what we see in this quest, Dainsleif's only information on Kaeya's khaenri'ahn origins is his family name, which is the same as Clothar's. But unless he was keeping track of the Alberich family and its family tree for 500 years and thus knows 100% that Kaeya is indeed Clothar's direct descendant, can we guarantee that he's right and not just making an assumption based on family name? Also, I just want to point out that it seems highly unlikely that Clothar was the only person in the Alberich family who could've had descendants eventually resulting in Kaeya. In fact, based on what he revealed to us about his history in the twin's experience, it seems he was something of the black sheep of the family. For all we know, he could've been the Alberichs' equivalent of that weird uncle no one talks about. There could very well be other members of the Alberich family, maybe siblings or cousins of Clothar's, and their lineage could've been the family line which produced Kaeya. So Kaeya could be a collateral descendant of Clothar's rather than a direct one. I know this probably seems like not a big deal, but I feel like this is still a factor to consider and that I don't see mentioned often despite how obvious it seems to me. And that's...basically all my thoughts. I know that there's far more to the Caribert quest and potential discussion of it than just Kaeya thoughts, but Kaeya thoughts are 99% of what I think of when it comes to Genshin so I hope you'll forgive me. And I hope that this very long comment (oh gods I'm sorry) doesn't come off as superior or arrogant in any way, these thoughts are just ones that I keep noticing aren't being talked about and I would love to see brought up because I think they might help dissuade some headaches when it comes to Genshin theorizing. Maybe. Possibly. At the very least it could bring a new perspective maybe? Hope these are at least somewhat interesting at least. Great video as always!

an interesting theory, kaeya is related to caribert and they have mixed blood, it is important to note that caribert was freed from the curse, that means that kaeya is the last conscious descendant (not cursed) and never catch a curse, he is the cure for khaenri 'ah, his blood is excellent that means he's pure half-breed. he can save all sinners, but that means sacrifice... I think I'd better stop... im going to cry...

maybe it's too simple but.... Kaeya and caribert could be the very same person. Kaeya said he knew Sumeru but implied he only came once and was dragged home before he could explore. Who would have an innate knowledge of the place but someone who woke up there ? The timing is confusing but : We know Chlotar waited a long time until he managed to wake up Caribert, then he had a hundred years until he disappeared. 500 years ago the cataclysm occurred, and yet Sumeru didn't seem that scarred from Khaenri'ah's machinery trekking through. Also : we don't know how long the abyss sibling took to start his journey after the cataclysm, and how long he'd been traveling for at the time. The scene could have happened roughly 150 years ago and Chlotar could have been the father that gave up baby Kaeya (Caribert's new identity without his memories) in Mondstadt to honor his wife. He could have tasked the abyss sibling to continue ruling the abyss before going to lie down with his wife now that he escaped the curse. The people of Mondstadt still remember about the missing statue of Barbatos, they linked it to the ruin guard going crazy 150 years ago too. So it's possible the statue of barbatos disappeared at that time. Also : Kaeya's covered eye is the same that's red in the statuettes. Could have a link to it. Anyway. I'm keeping that theory as fannon until proven wrong until the next quests.

My guess is he's a descendant of Chlothar. Or the children born after the cataclysm aren't subject to either curse. I suspect it was on purpose as a way to further their punishment. As well as a safeguard. I'm guessing they don't care if the kids are born human without immortality. Since they'd have to watch their kids age and die. Plus if you give every descendant immortality you effectively create an army to rival Celestia.

I think Kaeya IS Caribert. He was cured of hilichurl disease by Chlothar and as a result he's kind of an in-between of a hilichurl and a Khaenrian. That would explain his skin tone too, he's a mix of light skinned Khaenrian and black skinned hilichurl. Furthermore, if you look behind his eye patch he has a weird eye, that I wouldn't be shocked to find out was what the eyes of a hilichurl look like under the mask.

My biggest question is, why we are not joining our sibling taking down the heavenly principles? They were right, ones we travel enough we will understand

I think I many people know what the loom of fate is.😊

I just stumbled on this video because I was looking more into Kaeya, and the relationship between the Fatui, Khaenriah and the Abyss, and gods, I am LATE in all of this super deep lore. Some of this did not make any sense to me. Anyways! What if Kaeyas father had him with someone who isn't a pure-blood Khaenrian? Like, Father Alberich met someone from Mondstadt for example, and they had Kaeya. That would explain why Kaeya isn't pure-blood. The eye he keeps visible is his mothers eye, while he covers the Khaenriahn eye of his father with his eyepatch. Tinfoil: Or maybe that's why he says he inherited the eyepatch from his Grandpa? Because he inherited the Khaenriahn genes from him? The gene could have skipped over Kaeya's father, but shown itself again in Kaeya (like I, for example, have a red beard, even though my parents are both brunette, because my grandpa had red hair. It skipped over my father) - and thats why he was sent away, because he was obviously from Khaenriah

I really wonder what is under of that eyepatch... maybe there is a trick to surpress the curse...

This quest feels not complete, will there be some more archon quest at second half of 3.5 or start of 3.6?

It seems Like there isnt 2 Curses, Its 1, its not a curse that people became Hilichurls But Hilichurls also dont seem to age, so they are cursed with at least Age immortality, But the fact they became Hilichurl isnt a Curse. it happend once any Khaenrians born now that arent pure blooded also dont turn Hilichurl wich obviously shows its not a curse.

Me thinking Pierro is Kaeya’s great grandfather.

Wasn’t there also a boss named Klingsor as in the same antagonistic force from Wagner’s works? What if the Sinner is The Dragon King?

Caribert? More like Kaeya’llbethere

DEAD WIFE FERTILIZER IM TUMBLING ☠️

what if naberius was the second throne

Really cool video. And by no means to downplay it, I’m already a slut for the sinner or king irmin if your theory turns out to be correct

prince/princess of the abyss, not khaerniah

Oh okay, a new set of theories as to who is The Sinner. One theory crafter here in RU-vid said it may be one of the Shades. Another gave three guessed as well: - Lucifer (who could be a fallen god, also the prime sinner) - one of the Shades, and - King Irmin (being the last king of Khaenri'ah) Your list includes Naberius and The Second Throne. I'm confused, isn't The Second Throne the one that defested the Primordial One. If so, why would he need to hide in the Abyss? In my understanding, although Phanes was the one who placed the Frost Nails, per the scribe of Istsroth in Enkanomiya, a seal was placed by the Primordial One so that those who knew the resl history will not divulge it. BUT,, was it really the Primordial One who did it? I think The Second Who Came/Second Throne won and took over the dominion of Teyvat, then placed the seal. I even think that the real reason Tsaritsa and the Fatui js collecting Gnosis is not to use it to reach or defeat Celestia, but to aummon Phanes. I think Phanes was defeated and his body severed into seven parts, becoming the gnosis we know now. This severing of the body of a god has happened in many occasions in mythology (Zeus, Osiris).

I think the Sinner is the Second Descender/The Second Who Came. The Goddess of Flowers mentions the war with the Primordial One, involved breakthroughs and illusions, which seems to be a theme with the Abyss. The Abyss is always said to be “not of this world”, specifically in reference to forbidden knowledge. She also says to “seek not the Master of the four shades, nor inquire about the sky or abyss.” Putting both Celestia and the Abyss together. Finally, one of Ei’s friends mentions a “will” before her fall against the Abyss. My counterpoint to it being King Irmin is this: Clothar would have recognized the voice of Irmin, considering he was his king. Celestia seems so opposed to the Abyss that I doubt it was a shade.

Also Kaeya's passive talent used to be "Heart of the Abyss" before it was changed to Glacial Heart. Like what's that supposed to mean???

Wait but Eide says he saw Paimon leave with Dain…. Which means Paimon was with the abyss sibling and Dain

what the crytsal is king deshret

Kaeya is a hillichurl!!!

The travelers were summoned prior to the fall of Khaenri’ah. The reason being, Scaramouche tells the traveler, the Jester told him the traveler stayed with him while he was a royal Madge. Scaramouche also says he doesn’t know when they arrived or left. This would have been prior to the Jester becoming the head of the Fatui and prior to the fall of Khaenri’ah. The only thing is when exactly in the timeline did the travelors arrive? 30 days, 100 years, 600 years before the 500 year marker that is signified by the fall of Khaenri’ah? The travelors are much much older, than they look and don’t forget the Jester is an overwhelmingly powerful Madge. I also believe the travelers were “heavenly summoned” by either the Jester, Zhongli or Gold. All three would have the ability, knowledge and age to summon the travelers to Teyvat.

Kaeya HAS to be Caribert

you know what i would love? just someone doing an analysis without speculation and everytime they introduce a chekov's gun you put a toy gun in a pile until the end of the game go ahead. rewatch old archon quests and you'll also start doubting whether they're being strategically ambiguous and smartly withholding information or they're desperately pulling shit out of their ass from a general story they decided would be over in 5 years but now have to stretch into double that time.

On the topic of Kaeya = Caribert. Heres the thing, i think there are two options. We know Caribert got the power to reweave his destiny through the loom of fate so that means it could very well be that he regained his human form and ended up turning against his father and somewhere along the line he became Kaeya's father. Or He reweaved his fate and turned himself into Kaeya, hence why he's no longer cursed but he's still connected to his former father.