The Difference Between Comic Book And Manga Fight Scenes 

Just a bit of correction. Garou copy ability is his own, not by God.

@@syahmioziar5290 oh i know. But God made it more literal. Garou was just mainly able to copy skills of a person, while Cosmic Garou could copy the actual powers of the other character.

this video kinda sucks. for the last 4 minutes you straight up forgot about the point of the video. We didn't come here for you to explain to us about One Punch Man we came here to see the Differences and strengths between comic and manga fight scenes

@@tracark2255 the fight in OPM was an example, explaining the differences. It was an example used to talk about how a superhero fight scene can be amazing, how comic artists can learn from it. Of course I’m going to use examples to talk about differences and what they can learn from each other.

@@martianmetal but OPM is a bad example. OPM has 5 assistants working on the the main art and choreography. While comics always have only 1 key artists (inkers and pencilers don’t count)

Exactly.

Exactly their movement is much more fluent

Which is ironic because whenever they make it to anime it feels like jerky robots moving half the time with all the fluidity of the lazy abuse of key frames they use.

@@VunderGuyyou must be watching some pretty shit anime then 😂

One of my common complaints with comics (but rarely if ever with manga) is how characters are drawn with their mouth closed as they are talking.

Exactly

*Affect Edit: *Effect

@@Electricc__ that's a verb

Most western and asian differences are the same as Platonic and Aristotelean differences. It's the saem as their doctors STOP being paid when you get sick so they will treat you, and streets are numbered in west but the BLOCKS are numbered in the east. West focuses on the point of contact, but East focuses on the point of escalation. Comics are guiding your eye as picture books thrugh the letterboxes, but manga guides your eye to the IMAGE and the text is only glanced at, in the periphery. Reverses of the same thing. That's why anime is so good, ALL MANGA is already storyboarding that eventually evolved into anime. All comics are pin-up art pieces, and you're meant to IMAGINE the action in between, while manga shows the action, first and foremost.

​@@joshuastoute7569 *affect

Western comics, particularly marvel and DC showcase the pose of the action without the impact and motion. Would really love if Japanese techniques were used in creating western comics

Look at some indie comics especially with the recent influx of anime interest

They do not everything in western comics is dc and marvel

​@@kaiser1963commas are very useful, try using them more

@@orangeman3220 Check out some indie comics

Yeah, it’s absolutely perfect. A nice combination that fits so perfectly

@@martianmetal I agree

Aah so thats why its so nice to read OPM fight scene

@@tonyhuwa641 that makes so much more sense

and the redraws Murata does to make it almost like a storyboard / key frames really make the panels flow together really nicely

Oh 100%. I’ve been trying to read some X-Men and I’ve been told to just start at the Krakoa Era, even though there’s decades of history before hand. I’ve been reading DC, after yet another reset, reading Dawn of DC. It did start this year, so it’s more manageable but still. You basically gotta read this, to understand this, to understand this. But if you wanna read Chainsaw Man, you start at Chainsaw Man chapter 1. I love comics but they honestly can be unfriendly to new readers.

That issue doesn't apply to independent comics go read the crow or The mask Or the Strange Talents of Luther Strode

I'll say find character that looks interesting to you and start from any comic run or separate story that you want. This is exactly why comics are separate in volumes, to attract new readers. If you're not afraid of older stuff, there's plenty of online guides for you to help.

​@@martianmetal honestly Image comics doesn't have these issues on when to start. You start with issue 1 for let's say walking dead then you can just read.

Because comic are bunch of lazy writers. Reboot and reboot and reboot. They just power up some popular characters or just make them suddenly have children that inherited their power. Tada........ Batman use green lantern ring, become dr Manhattan, become god. Or starfire have a kid, or joker have daughter (LMAO).

Thanks man i really appreciate that

Idk man when he shows examples of comics doing it pretty well he shows some of the most horrid art I’ve ever seen

@@zzodysseuszz Most of them look great wdym?

this is gonna be a hard ask but can someone add all the manga and comic book names where this stuff appears? I had a good idea of most of the manga like baki, berserk and kengan ashura but really had no idea about what any of those comic book name's were. would be a huge help. Thank you guys

Whats the comic shown at 0:46?

one arguably moreso than the other in recent years.

comics are gay

@@geokashi357 now and days they are

@@geokashi357 you are immature, sad that you have a small brain to understand that gay people exist but yea I understand also

@@andrewsmith2539 you sound immature, but I understand what y’all mean but again no need to be homophobic

Thanks. I’m glad people are noticing that. I hardly see videos where they’re not putting comics down honestly.

Too bad you can’t say the same for the comment section

@@martianmetal Facts man. People seem to have too much of an agenda against comics nowadays. When most comics are better than most manga since it's is crap like "My Dick is now My Best Friend" or something !!!

@@i.m.crazee5195 Manga is definitely taking over.

@@i.m.crazee5195 i don't think manga like that is even popular at least in the West. Those titles are popular because they sound crazy but how many western readers do you think have actually read one of this?

I have read that a bit actually. I’ve also read the comic where Robbie Reyes becomes a Ghost Rider too, same artist i believe. Trad Moore, i believe his name is. Yeah, it does really tick all of the boxes. Those fight scenes are just so crazy, even moments where characters aren’t even fighting.

@@martianmetal Glad to see that you’ve read the comic book. It’s a shame you didn’t add this into the video. But, If you could make a video about the bests fight scenes in comics and/or manga that would honestly make my day. It’s been a while since I’ve read something.

@@DaWhisper I remember i did read just a couple of chapters though. I do gotta catch up on it. Yeah, i wish i remembered that artist, he really does capture what I’m talking about.

Is the comic in omnibus format?(that's the only way I buy comics!)

Luther Strode is my favorite comic, it's so good

Damn I have no idea how Garou can even touch Saitama at this point of the anime lol

Get hard spoiler Loser lol

@@racool911 One explanation: Fist of flowing water crushing rocks. That technique allows you to REFLECT a certain % of the opponent’s technique back at the attacker. It is not just a martial art - it is a mythical “no U” function. Now, think about what happens IF somebody mastered that technique to it’s fullest. That means that they can REFLECT 100% of the power. Now, if you think about it, that allows them to know how it feels to use said power, since they perfectly reactively replicate their techniques. So, if somebody mastered the technique perfectly, they can, essentially, “steal” powers from others (they can remember how that energy flows and replicate it). So, Garou fought many enemies and “stole”/mimicked their abilities. He is essentially Amazo in DC, in that sense. Now, in his fight with Saitama, he CAN replicate the entire force of that omega punch due to the “fist of flowing water crushing rocks”….. But being able to PACK a punch is not the same as being able to TAKE a punch. So, base-level Garou you see in anime could theoretically replicate Saitama’s power and throw it against him. Problem is that even if he replicates/reflects 99.9999% of that damage, he still ends up taking 0.0001% of the blow he receives. That minuscule fraction of Saitama’s power is still more than enough to kill a human….. So, as a HUMAN, Garou (anime Garou) COULD throw similar punch in force to Saitama’s (due to the nature of his “martial arts”)….. but he needs to experience it first. And he cannot experience it without dying, in his human form. So, when GOD gave Garou power, he did not really give him power to replicate/copy stuff - Garou always was capable of doing so, being able to reflect and learn ANY power of ANY magnitude…… But his (anime/human form) body would not be able to live long enough “to tell the tale”. Once Garou got buffed by GOD, he got durable enough to SURVIVE Saitama’s punch. And hence, he (because of his innate ability, which he has in his human form as well) was able to replicate and throw Saitama’s punch back at him….. So, Garou got durable enough to survive that 0.0001% of the force taken and dish out 99.9999% of Saitama’s force back at him. Problem: Saitama’s force grows exponentially. So, it was an endless battle of Saitama throwing a punch, Garou taking 0.0001% of it’s force and sending back 99.9999% of it back…. Saitama growing and rinse repeat…. And that is how Garou lost in his cosmic form. Even though he has the ability to send 99.9999% of the force taken back (the same ability he has as a human), his cosmic durability was FINITE. As Saitama’s power grew, eventually, that 0.0001% of the force taken was enough to shatter even Garou’s cosmic armour….. It is not that Garou cannot pack the same kind of punch, both in his human and cosmic forms - it is just that he cannot survive it indefinitely in either form. That is it. Hope it helped to make it clear to you. But yeah, Garou CAN mimic Saitama’s power, even as in the human/anime-featured form of his. It is just so that he needs to survive first in order to replicate it, and no amount of FINITE durability can withstand INFINITE force.

@@kingol4801 Interesting

I remember feeling so bad for him, dude had a mess up childhood, an unhealthy mindset and he look at his Nephew and realized he messed up had breakdown! Someone as talented as he is deserved so much better!

As a latin american comicbook artis i can tell you that tons of people comine elements from both styles. Even in modern superman comics you can find tons of stylistic choices that come from manga artist and the same can be said for manga ,one punch man and boku no hero academia also use a lot of western-style compositions in its figths. But if you want to se an excelent combination of both styles look at the french industry. Freak squelle( a comic i suspect boku no hero academia took a lot of inspiration from) its an excelent starting point!

@@estanislaomarugo3381 thank you

A lot of comics and manga actually do use both elements. In the example i used of Hulk vs Thing, it had everything i loved about manga fights. It had the impacts, action lines, effects, etc. it was drawn beautifully. And a lot of mangakas also use western elements as well, like MHA. A hybrid of both do definitely work and they already do. It works beautifully

What you're talking about actually exists, Invincible is 1 of them. Luckily it's getting the attention it deserves.

i take it you never read anything from Antarctic Press

yes

yes

Exactly, that is a genuine problem that i was actually considering making a video about. Just so many writers with so many different creative ideas being hired to make so many different stories. Even handling stories of the main continuity. Especially if they keep hiring problematic writers. It can seriously give different experiences like you said, which i agree with

Agree.

@@martianmetal Nice

Yeah, my mistake. It’s been a while since i’ve read it and i thought it was legit. Thanks for telling me

@@martianmetal you did right because if you used the right image i would have spoiled the winners of each rounds

Yeah, while reading through these comments I saw many people say "manga is better because of action lines" and I'm like "do these people know where this originated?"

there is a reason why right now one is crushing the market and even is competetive with movies and TV shows , and one have just a specific small audiance

Thanks man. It’s honestly a bit frustrating just seeing someone compare the 2 but it’s just degrading one of them ya know. Glad this video was refreshing for you.

Thanks man

Oh boy you dont wanna know how many things got change because of an editor

i 100% agree. It honestly does get frustrating and even concerning if someone has a favorite character, because another writer can easily mess them up. I don’t know much about Hal Jordan, but i remember when apparently a writer made Hal Jordan date a 13 year old girl, who had the body of an 18 year old. Apparently he was like “nah, I’m a grown man, you’re a little girl” and when she got a Green Lantern ring, she was able to age herself up to exactly an 18 year old. I don’t remember the rings being able to do that. And they dated. Obviously that’s completely irrelevant now, but a lot of people make fun of the character for it. And it genuinely can get overwhelming when there’s just writer after writer with different ideas. And don’t even get me started on Devin Grayson.

​@@martianmetalthe worst part is: Hal and Arisia had pretty much normal and healthy mentor/apprentice relationship with her. Next writers had to re-write it into "Oh, actually, it was never something serious, guys, we swear" and made them go separate ways.

Green lantern was gas as fuck from 1993 to 2020

@@martianmetal Yeah his fellow Green Lantern Arisa! It was one of those "Im actually 300 I just look like Im 9" tropes but it was... very weird. She's still used in a lot of stories as an important side character, but I BELIEVE they totally ignore that storyline and pretend it never happened.

Think I prefer how Frank Miller does it for comics. His fights seem to be more of the incoming and impact more than just focusing on each hit

@@JohnPeacekeeper Hell yes. Miller always draws his fights out so you see the damage incoming, like telegraphing a punch, but his style lends so much weight and power to that punch you know it's going to hit like an angry freight train. Miller is also a master of setting the scene, especially with the way he uses perspective and viewing angles.

@@Scudboy17 You clearly see defense played out too, such as dodges and counters. One of the ones I remember him drawing so well is, ironically, not even a superhero fight, but regular old Jim Gordon vs corrupt cop Flass. Jim is monologuing in his head as he effortlessly schools the opponent and you see so clearly why and how!

thats for video games where it’s in motion though

Honestly, favouritism to writers existed at least since 60s and because of that we have "Marvel way" of writing, which is actually very awful because it discredits artists' actual effort that was put in comics. Sadly, respect to artists like Jim Lee and Alex Ross is exception, not the rule. But, to be fair, I feel like it kinda became slightly better nowadays thanks to social media.

Thanks man, really appreciate that. Honestly, i do also have a hard time finding videos about a subject like this. Glad i decided to make one myself

i think not enough credit goes to Mangaka, they have clearly surpassed comics across all metrics. and that's in black and white.

Thanks man

Thanks man that means a lot to me

I think it’s an exposure thing, I tend to have that problem when I haven’t read in a while

Endevour and Shigaraki fight was unreadable for me during War ARC in MHA, so you're not alone.

The only manga I've read is One Piece and I've definitely had the problem. I struggle to figure out what's happening half the time. This is why I usually wait for an anime adaptation for most things

@@racool911 sometimes I wonder how they adapt certain moments

Demon Slayer manga be like

Manga and comics are the same medium.

One word: manhwa

But it is harder to find good ones

Comics are better and i will not back down from that stance

@@samtonnude941 why not?

Thanks man, glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks I really appreciate that

Honestly it gets pretty annoying when it’s just that. Like it’s fine to think that but there’s just so many videos where it’s just that. Hardly see anything about them both being good

There are people like that? Well you have to agree that marvel movies pale in comparison to anime and manga. Anime and manga still need more appreciation take it or leave it.

@@brolylssj95 There's a lot of bad mangas and animes

@@corruptpixel8441 same with comics. Also I dont understand how there are people who have a "mentality" of manga being better. I've never seen such a person. In fact everybody becomes an absolute pile of piss and shit when it comes to manga and anime cuz they are obsessed with marvel movies lol. But then again, marvel movies are extremely poor in quality compared to comics

comics are better than anime and i stand by that undoubtedly. No competition in terms of which has better narrative qualities. It says a lot when mangakas even admit comic writers are way better than them at writing stories.

Thanks

I stopped buying and reading comics books back in the 2000s. There wasn't anything impressive about the super heroes anymore as everything has been done to them from 70s to the 2000s. With Manga, we get tons of new stories, characters and artists that just blows fans away with their approach to storytelling and fights!

You know there are different companies than just DC marvel right also that You dumb statement you made about nothing being impressive yet some of the best dc and marvel stories are from the 2000s to name a few Batman hush spider man all star superman and old man logon Brian Michael Bendis' Ultimate Spider-Man I can name countless more examples but you can have your opinion just that statement was plain wrong

Ok your loss

@@deavin4293 hahaha you’re naming comics from 20 years ago.

@@harryvuemedia5106 nah, you can still do new things with superheroes and still be blown away by the fights and storytelling.

Thanks man that really means a lot. I was surprised since i posted this video less than 24 hours ago and it’s already at 2.5k views.

Thanks

Thanks

Thanks man that means a lot to me

Thanks man

Thank you so much, that really means a lot to me

Yeah, I’ve been told about that after i posted the vid. My bad.

“Platinum S”😂 call the man by his full name😂

@@inquisitive6786 Sounds awful.

@@CameraPunk5049 It’s the best part. Especially when you got people who dont know the character

@@inquisitive6786 It's goofy af. For such a badass character to be called sperm... It's just wrong.

@@CameraPunk5049 Well it WAS a joke comic series before the manga came out lol

You have to thank the manga assistants. Most manga with weekly releases have entire teams of people working on them. My Hero Academia for example: Kohei has an editor, team leader, and 6-8 drawing assistants. It's an efficient system and allows the mangaka to focus more on the story than the artwork. Mangaka's with monthly releases don't need as many assistants, usually 1-3 is enough. Then you have mangaka's who REFUSE to use assistants like Rei Hiroe. And he releases his chapters 2-4 times a year.

That's probably true but western comics are in color. There's no excuse. The real weighty reason is it's an artistic decision.

Excuses comics have had color since the 70s not Americas fault their to cheap

@@TheAlison1456 you missed the point. Manga artist needed to get creative with their limitations to black and white color. Therefore it influenced the art direction.

@@impacc4182 You missed the point. Printing cost limits influenced Manga creativity. Thus influencing the art direction.

​@@reckyu7642 I agree. That's not what's written, though. It's written as if printing costs The reason, period. Misunderstandings happen, it's ok, I will cease further replies here.

Thank you man. That means a lot to me. The algorithm really blessed me, i thought it’d be at least another year before i hit 1000. And look where i am now :) I’m glad you enjoyed it.

I really wished i did use examples, but for some reason i thought of it while i was editing the video

Thank you very much man, i will

Yeah. I always thought i was the only one who noticed it, but it seems like i wasn’t the only one from all these comments. I never seen someone actually explain the difference, it was always just “comic bad manga good” type stuff. Glad you enjoyed it.

Thanks man, that means a lot

I'm about to say the same thing. Even back in those days writers & artist need to conform with the CCA (Comics Code Authority).

I completely understand and agree. If you wanna get into Demon Slayer, you start at Demon Slayer chapter 1. If you wanna get into the X-men, you gotta read this, to understand this, to understand this. Like I’m getting into DC more and right now i just plan on starting the reading order for Dawn of DC, since it started the beginning of this year. But still, as much as i love both, comics really are just so hard to get into and it really does impact it in a negative way.

@@martianmetal it also tends to feel like a more complete experience; I recently finished demon slayer for example and the satisfaction of actually having an ending is great. That's why I love ultimate Spider-Man so much, he fuckin dies and his story actually gets a conclusion; making the run as whole just come together

@@ojodeoro1106 i completely get what you’re saying. I had such an immense amount of satisfaction reading the end of it. Like i have the satisfaction of reading the end of a Jojo part. Or Full Metal Alchemist. I really want to get into things like alternate marvel universes, or those DC elseworlds, since it’s expected that they would end. Also, didn’t Ultimate Spiderman come back to life? I may be mistaken.

@@martianmetal I don't think he did. We got Myles Morales (for the first time) and then reboot

both are great

Oh yeah. Being honest i sometimes get surprised and caught off guard when a fight scene in a comic immediately is done. I mainly notice that they’re longer if it’s some large scale event, like if they’re fighting a super big bad like Doomsday or something. I’m sure there are reasons but still.

Its because comics characters are usually way more overpowered than manga characters.

@lavenderlynx imo, the fights are so fast because they need to focus on so many other things as well. There is a LOT of setup they need to do for each comic book event, especially bigger comic book events like Civil War, and arguably more than a manga would need to set up an arc. Not to mention things like Marvel and DC comics try to cater to a wider audience so they can't focus on one thing for too long. They also have to spread out the focus a lot more than mangas since mangas only have to worry about one storyline (for the most part), while comics have to focus on multiple. Imagine if Naruto, Dragonball, One Piece, Ichigo, and My Hero Academia all took place in one universe and regularly interacted with each other. That would be cool, but now you have to worry about SO much more.

@@lavenderlynx No, it's because most comic fights don't have technique involved. They just punch/blast each other at full strength and it's boring.

The reason for that is because they’re very limited by the number of pages they have to work with. Let’s say you’re writing like 3-4 different titles each month. Every artist you’re working with is working at least 2-3 different books on top of their own indie stuff. There’s pressure to get it done before the month it’s out and the company you work for will not go back to fix some of the issues unless it’s for the trade. Basically: the reason most fights in comics aren’t longer is because they literally don’t have time to make them longer. There’s too much work and not enough people working on it cause the company doesn’t wanna spend more money paying more artists and writers to help out. You will get a few artists who are able to get some great choreography and cool fights in, but most are rushed to get more than one book done every month, sometimes TWICE a month for every title they work for. A lot of people talk about the issues of overworking in the manga industry; not enough talk about it’s just as bad in the American side of things.

Manga and comics are the same medium.

@@biospeed835 Well yeah but you get what I mean. They both do some things differently.

Yeah, i really tried to make that clear, I’m glad people caught onto that. What you’re saying is true, just a lot of judging and generalizing. And I’m so glad Invincible took off, i haven’t read it yet, but i remember when it was much less mainstream than is it now. I’m proud of it

And yet in this comment section someone still ended up talking about how one is better than the other, such a shame

@LeoTobin yes they are. It burns me up to see comics done dirty & people crap in them without reading them.

@@sloantempest9421 Manga and comics are basically the same thing. But the manga industry had figured out the sauce and giving people what looks interesting. I'd rather read a manga than a comic book

@@l__f0 good for you I’ll take comic any-day over some overly done lines in mangas