The difference between support roles | Dota 2 7.28a 

Low brackets: We don't do that here.

I respect the content, this shit help me a lot understanding my fucking role as suppport.

Loved the presentation. Clear and to the point. It showed that you took time and effort to prepare. Thanks

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Quality content! 21:34 in my opinion, Silencer is a decent example of Pos. 5. He is both a strong and a weak laner. Yes, he is a little squishy but for me, he is item independent. Good crowd control with his global silence, he can cast it anywhere and he doesn't really need expensive items to function well as a support. Usually I make glimmer cape and force staff to save myself or my carry as a Pos. 5 Silencer. The Aghanim Shard is also sick cool for him. On the other hand, Skywrath Mage is also a good example of Pos. 4 hero, if he is played as a support. He obviously needs more gold than a Pos. 5 in order to function well. I have seen a lot of Herald-Guardian players play Skywrath as a Pos. 5, make about 2-3 Null Talismans and lose the game without having enough money to buy Rod of Atos XDDD.

Thanks for the quality content! Really helped me to understand more of this roles! :)

The way I've always understood it is that pos 4 heroes are heroes that seek to 1-2 key things in the game that they need some items for. They usually come in the roaming, initiating, or bullying varieties. So earth-shaker wants to initiate a fight and stun people so he has to get some mobility items to do that. Bounty hunter wants to gank and provide vision so he has to get these early game ganking items and a bit of tankiness so he can cast multiple ultimates. Venomancer is this powerful lane bully that can disrupt what the enemy pos 5 is doing and get easy kills on the enemy carry. Pos 5 heroes basically do everything they can to enable their carry and tend to need very little to do so effectively. They usually come in the disabling, saving, or boosting variety. Disruptor is a powerful disabler that can set-up for kills and can keep one or multiple enemy heroes under control. Oracle is the archetypical saver that has multiple ways of saving his carries from a bad situation. Io is a booster that makes his carry incredibly powerful by proving him with health, mana, a buff, and mobility.

Love ur content man always a masterclass. Thank you

this is extremely helpful. i came from league and seen this number system and just assumed it meant nothing had no idea it had to do with gold priority.

thanks for all of your videos!

Great info in this video. For a long time i just thought of the 5 as "ward bitch/babysitter" and the 4 as "ganker"

Hey man Great video its really helping me

Great video, earned yourself a sub!

Quality content as usual :)

been looking for a vid like this

Easy to understand!! Thanks :)

Really good guide!

Great video bud

hi ZQ, do you do coaching?

Thanks Z

I was just about to comment and ask if Hoodwink is 4 or 5 but you already provided the answer. thank you very much!

Before I watch this study I have understood hsupp is healer/stunner and support Is perhaps a slow/stun spam guy who is maybe a carry but leaves the offlaner to get the creeps :)

The difference between hard and soft supp in sub 2k mmr is that hard supp buys wards sometimes and soft plays theor role sometimes.

Awesome video. I would love to hear more details about how to roam effectively. Been kinda confused about the dual lane meta. I feel like if you roam, you're making the lane harder for your offlaner, especially after you soaked some exp. This makes your enemy safelaner have an easier lane which seems like a terrible idea.

I think this is helpful for people who have no idea what a support is, but I feel like if the video had gone another 5 minutes you would have gotten to some juicy stuff. Questions I would have from here: Do we define positions based on the bare necessity of farm and xp, or on the scalability of these? example: Grimstroke obviously scales better than CM with items because of his ult, but he doesnt really NEED any items to function in a teamfight, whereas CM actually needs to buy something to guarantee value with her ult. Also, you mentioned ES would make a horrible 5, but does this go the other way for other heroes? Are there 5's that don't do the 4 role well, or is it always a bottom up philosophy?

Wish every dota player knew these

Can u do a video on how to calibrate high in MMR in dota for a new account? Really love ur presentations

thanks, good contain and i have an idea i have to play support. and what the objectiveof hard supp.i should not leave my carry.

I am illuminated, thank you.

hi can you make an update on this topic in this current meta? Ty

Been playing like a hard/soft support regardless of support role assignment lol. Might try this one out

where do you go in game to see the picks for each position? i have dota plus but cant find that

how did you do it can you share with me , thank you

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Good video Can i ask u one question Could i get to the 6k mmr by playing pos5 and pos4 only ???

What do you think about pos 4 pango?

What about Visage?

I'm trying to figure out position 5 vengeful spirit. Can I send you a replay?

Do you have a patreon that we can support you on?

so there is no difference between the two?

pls make update for 7.34 2023

Well I thought pos 3 did everything a pos 4 does here except ward... what does a pos3 do???

I get 6 minutes in and all of a sudden my entire understanding of supports has turned upside down 😳

I think Dota is changing. I've felt the soft support is kind of evolving into "jungle support" on the 2v2 meta. Am I completely wrong?

If you are below Ancient, forget about pos 4 and 5 roles as almost no one in pubs really do like ZQ said. Almost every games are just either 2 supports or none. So just pick any supp hero and do everything mentioned here.

do you make replay review for money?

5 is the lowest from 1-5

I agree cores are easier to play. They literally just hit creeps

pos 1-4: nope. i'm too good to ward or bring dust. that's for pos5 only -----sea players

Been a support a long time ago, buying wards makes you poor AF, thankfully theyre free now. Just got back after about 10 years XD

Support get yelled all the time Especially when dps see u kill creeps

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Me a Soft Support on my team... 30 minutes Later : somehow I become the Core of my team. The enemy build Counter item just for me...

I really like the role of support, but absolutely detest the idea of "warding", it's something I always forget to do in matches and I just don't want to think about positions etc and just wish my teammates would do it all instead lol. If only warding wasn't a feature in this game, life would be 10x easier

Ong I can't hear you on my headphones.

Pos 5, but the rest of the team buys all the wards. Then cry like infants when there's no vision because they are sh*t at ward placement.

Too much blah blah