I believe that the real echidna (the one in the tomb hidden in the trials) had split her memories and feelings where the memories went to echidna from the tea party who has posessed a clone, while the emotions have been passed onto the pet echidna who's with anastasia, so if those two entities were to meet or even merge I think that's when the real Echidna is reincarnated and thus begins her plan or revenge or whatever since her soul was too large to pass onto a clone so splitting knowledge (tea party echidna with no emotion) and her emotions (scarf-dona who has no memories but cares for a little girl, could be mirroring her behaviour towards Beatrice)
@@shieldsaint Also, a couple of characters mention her or her existence in the main WN and LN stories. I think Ryuzu mentions a failed attempt to clone Echidna that went rouge in arc 4, and Wilhelm mentions that the only other witch (other then Satella) he knows about is Sphinx, who he fought in the demihuman war in arc 5. I don’t remember if Wilhelm actually believes her to be a witch or if he says it’s what a lot of people call her.
ok here it is what we know about the 4 echidnas. One is the real echidna (the one in the coffin), who showed emotions and genuinely cared for every person in sanctuary, beatrice and roswald included. The other one is the echidna of the trials, which is probably an artificial spirit with no body, which has the memory of echidna and behave similar to her. we saw how she doe have emotions and such, however the messed up way she do things and think suggest she may have been given the authority of greed (or a part of it). if its true it will qualify her as THE goal of the original echidna, to remove her own authorit and live happily, hence the clones. Then we have scarfdona, the artifical fox spirit, who manteined echidnas behaviour and knowledge, but showed many times emotions and care for people, and a bit of compulsive lying. Last but not least, miss Sphinx, who is a clone of Ryuzu who have a good amount of echidna in her and believes to be echidna. she rampaged in vollachia and showed to be emotional, especially on negative emotions side. The theory i can come up with is that the original echidna hated to be a witch all time (she was one from birth) and just wanted to live a normal life, therefore she experimented with clones and such and never told anyone what her real goal was, because she doesnt open up to people (traumatic experience of the past). once she succedeed she placed the artificial spirit she created in the tomb so she couldnt go outside and gave her her authority. from that moment she was free and took care of her daughter and pupil. (a big difference from the moment she kissed roswald in the past, were she probably was still affected by her greed). do you like it as a theory?
Can you make a video where you explain what exactly happened in arc 6, like was louis the one who kept writing "natsuki subaru was here" or was she the one who killed meili, and why did louis loses her memories when she entered subaru's body
The more i read about the real echidna, like in loving the days gone by, the more i don't understand how such an important historical figure has been forgotten by time. It almost feels like her Identity was eaten by the authority of Gluttony, she was the "Witch of Wisdom" which had a hand in basicly everything important in the world.
@@saljpal3 I don't know if it went through to the Light Novel, but in Arc 5 Felt uses an staff named meteor against one of gluttony, Beako remarks that it was made by Echidna and that it "got a cry out of the dragon" or something along those lines
Real Echidna died tried to transfer her soul into a new body experiment failed real dona's soul split into memory and emotion i.e. omega and scarf dona. I think.
Isn't Tea Party Echidna just a result of Echidna's immortality experiments? It does not need to have anything to do with the witch factors, but rather Echidna simply repeated the successful experiment for the other five witches.
Yes! This is the answer. I thought it was so clear from the light novels that this is how she happened to come about. @jakez123 please respond why you think this isn't the case.
Spoiler - - - - - - Hey Jake on Ep49 of Season 2 towards the end i noticed that there is a line where riuzu thinks internally “unbelievably you see this and thats the first thing you think of” but it sounds like echidnas voice. Is it safe to assume that at that point tp echidna has already taken over her body?
“What kind of fool do you take me for? She’s Echidna, She’s Echidna, I’m Echidna! Are there any other Echidnas I should know about?!” *a scarf lies silently in the corner of the room
Spoiler "What kind of fool do you take me for? She's Echidna(Dream World), She Echidna(Tomb),She Echidna(Scarf), im echidna! Are there any other echidna is should know about *Observe Required
But for tea party Echidna to act in a way that's attractive to Subaru and manipulate his emotions means she actually understands human emotions, even more so than the average human, for her to be able to do that. It's another thing if she's unable to actually feel those emotions, but she absolutely understands them even if in a detached way.
@@TheApostelicPrincess because he can beat most people he has the strength to destroy the multiverse and shake infinite realms and the speed to cross the universe instantly
@@TheApostelicPrincess in the last poll about what video to do next, I sparked a war in the comments about one of the options, and it seems you don't know where you're coming from
She probably doesn't know her body is in tact, she probably understood that if she, a soul, is trapped in this tea party, then something must've happened to the body for the soul to leave it and concluded that her body had experienced an end. So if she believes that theory then technically she's telling the truth.
You know, Ryuzu said there was a failed clone of Echidna that couldn't fit her entire soul. She said it went rogue and had to be destroyed. So . . . I've thought for some time now: what if this is the Tea Party Echidna we see? Think about it, nobody denies her personality, her actual traits, like her greed and her outward demeanor, but while the Echidna Roswall and Betty knew was kind and had real, human emotion, our Echidna wears a mask to coerce people into becoming her pawns. There's nothing there behind her facade, just a spanning abyss of a thirst for knowledge. Echidna dealt with the rogue clone, but we never hear *how* she dealt with it exactly. Perhaps its consciousness was sealed into the trial so that it could not, I don't know, override her own soul trying to pass on to the Ryuzu clones or something. Or perhaps the Tome of Wisdom lead her to seal it, rather than killing it.
the rogue is actually another character known as "Sphinx", she features in the EX novels (Wilhelm and theresia's backstory) and will most likely appear in arc 7.
In the SS, "Cursed Goddess Statue," where Subaru, Otto, and Garfield all cross dress and accompany Roswaal to an event --- at the end we learn that Clind stole the statue for Roswaal. Ros promptly destroys the statue, remarking that it looked nothing like his Teacher. So, it looked like Tea Party Echidna then? Why go to the trouble to have it stolen just to destroy it, and more importantly where it it come from in the first place? I do hope Omega (and the other Witches) meet up with Subaru again. It would be nice for Subaru to save them all as well, perhaps by collecting all their remains.
The author they know what it's doing I be more suspicious that author real or just using name. Based writing the grammar more he fully question his thoughts of writing.
Well, tea party Echida did definitely lie, numerous times. For example, she lied that she had nothing to do with the trials and did not know anything about them. Then she lied that when formed a "contract" with Beatrice, she did not specify the place to which Beatrice should link her library(although the one who formed this "contract" was the original Echidna). There are probably more cases of her lies.
I have a theory I think that the echidna that we know is not the same person as what we are shown like how she steals Shimas body she stole her descendents body like how roswal and it would make sense since roswal first learns of this by reading echidnas books
2:03 She can use the authorities of the witches inside the crystal. She has used the authority of wrath in a side story. She used it on a bunch of bandits... so yah...
When will Echidna witch tea parte meet up put I think it mite in arc 8 or end of arc 7 mabe see mite steal Loli and this will be subaru new goal to track her down.
I am not a fan of Echidna because she introduced nothing but bloody confusion into the narrative. She just comes out and starts blasting plot holes into the story like a Huey door gunner over the jungles of vietnam, cigar in mouth, mowing down poor Vietnamese kids into the dirt. Suddenly nothing makes sense anymore and i have lots of questions and no answers. Why are there 13 different versions of Echidna and Satella? How can they all be dead, alive, sealed away, free to roam, and in multiple different places all at the same time. I'm getting angry here. I swear if he turns this into some fucked up Attack on Titan manipulating memories from the future shit ima gonna be pissed. I am still trying to figure that one out.
Bro i dont understand all this😂can you do like normal character explained videos ? Like a satella backstory. talking about her backstory, personality ,goals and why she is so attracted to subaru