Go to tryfum.com/HIDDENXPERIA and use code HIDDENXPERIA to save an additional 10% off your order today. #ad Did the Flood cure ever exist? Was it ever used? Is there a modern Halo universe equivalent? Today, we answer all of that and more...
No cure I think the flood pulled back cause it knew if Humanity AND the forerunners worked together they'd lose but as for a cure I would imagine yes but it would mean humanity would evovle and become stronger and more advanced than the feral flood precursors flood, but I do not think the FLOOD itself is the test. the flood are more what happens when the precursors were wiped out and corrupted by anger
For real. Halo been dark since 2013 and the only ones keeping it alive are the content creators, lord knows 343 is doing nothing. Halo died at the end of H3 and that’s my head canon
Probably the Flood's greatest example of their strategic acumen. There was never a cure, but feinting towars there being one preserves humanity, provides a sense of complacency with the Forerunners, regrouping their forces in unknown space and could be revealed later by the Primordial to weaken morale. All in 1 move
I also like to think it might have been the flood who made a cure should it exist... So like the biblical flood it consumes everything then purges itself and makes an "Eden" possibly just to use as a honeytrap.
@@HiddenXperia Love the Video, but is it Not uncertain that Humanity was supposed to inheret the Mantel, But since "Infinite" the Salanin? Was this not to spite the Salanin to Tell the Humans they are the reclaimers of the Mantel?
Well he dumbed it down a lot. It was fed to their "pets" because it seemed to prevent disease (made healthier, improve mood (made calmer), lengthened life (longevity).... Can you think of any pet owner who wouldn't want their pet to be healthier, happier, and live longer? Only everyone! Was the first big brain move by the Flood... It gets their DNA out there, into an easily replicable creature, easily mutated and multiplied.
I want someone to do a video about what the universe would look like if the Didact had succeeded in convincing the ecumene to go with his Shield World plan rather than going with the Halo Array
@@anmolpatel793 I dunno man. Imagine a Shield World project where the Builders, Warrior Servants, and Lifeworkers came together to build the shield worlds. All the resources that went towards creating the Halo's would've gone to the shield worlds. The Didact wouldn't have been corrupted by the logic plague. I think it's a "What if?" Scenario worth thinking about lol
@@l0sts0ul89 it's a galactic scale level of tough parenting. multiple near extinctions, a full reset on our history, a daunting test yet to come, and the willingness to fuck with us in specific moments just to play the long game of getting us ready to take on the mantle.
What about Sergeant Johnson? He was, effectively, immune to Flood infection as a result of the Orion Spartan modifications to his body. Theoretically, that iteration of the augmentations WAS the cure/vaccine for Flood infection due to how messed up his neutral pathways were, IIRC.
Johnson's kind of a red herring in that regard, he's not immune and he's not even resistant, it's just that the ORION project altered his genetic make up so much that the Flood simpler to infect hosts instead of him, kinda like how in World War Z the infected choose not to infect people with terminal illnesses because it's more beneficial for them to infect a healthy host
I don’t think I have ever looked at your subscriber count 😂 I could’ve sworn you were already at a million. Been watching you for a few years now. Thanks for the epic content. Halo was my entire childhood.
Haha thanks man. The last 2 years since Infinite launch stagnated all of our growth like crazy but the last few months we seem to be finally breaking out of that stagnation and back into growth which is great to see
@@HiddenXperiai think with the infinite...."let down" people have been staying away from halo. BUT I am more than certain with Helldivers 2 being basically ODST. And other Halo things happening around the web.(Marty O'Donnell trying his hand at politics) The fans are slowing opening back up to Halo content. Maybe with the death of Rooster Teeth. A different company will take up the Red vs Blue IP and try again. I'm always down for more Halo anything.
100%, id play Halo at least once a day every single day since halo ce, then came Halo 4 and I was slightly annoyed at the massive inconsistencies, but i slogged through it... then we got 5 and I almost gave up entirely... then we got infinite and ive quit it. @@bombomos
The cure would be something that prevents infection in the first place. Not nessecarilly saving the ones that are already gone Edit: In theory if you could prevent the Flood from getting new bodies you could eventually eradicate them
The forerunners use of composers to rip the very essence or 'soul' from every single human kind of shows that the forerunners where kind of akin to sadistic children, playing with toys much more advanced than they themselves where. (As it was precursor technology above their understanding)
Had a thought. What if ancient humanity was spared because they HAD passed the precursors' test, but because of the actions of the forerunners, they didn't get the chance to receive the mantle?
If there is a cure, my guess is that only the Precursors themselves have it. And they aren't willing to share it. Unless the final test for the Mantle of Responsibility is that cure. Humanity passes the test and the Flood never return. That could be interesting. Unless the Didact just unearthed something by curing his Logic Plague. New theory video ideas are always welcome. Another great Flood video Xperia. Always love watching your Flood related videos.
My head cannon is since the precursors are basically 4-dimensional beings and live on a higher realm, you’ll need a “4 dimensional” cure as well. You can’t cure a disease from a reality that’s higher than your own. Which means, like you said, only the precursors could cure it.
Humans faced The Flood by sacrificing some of them and their planets for the sake of the rest, understanding how unavoidable of a fate it was. Forerunners faced The Flood by sacrificing the whole galaxy before letting themselves die. The Precursors' choice to give humans The Mantle made so much sense.
I want Halo to make a comeback so bad I just hope the next release hits that mark. Thank you for not abandoning the community. This franchise has meant alot to me over the years hate to see the state its in.
The Flood is an organism, I've seen some people ask why there can't be a cure, but to best break it down in simple terms: You can't *cure* a Zebra that's been eaten by a Lion, the same way you can't *cure* someone whose been consumed by the Flood. Key word there: consumed. Even though the Flood doesn't digest its food like a normal organism, it uses it completely just the same. Instead of taking your nutrients and discarding the rest as waste, it uses *everything* and repurposes your biomass as anything it wants. If your arm was to somehow get 'infected' by the Flood but not you, there is no 'your arm' left, it's Flood biomass.
The cure would be an immunity to Flood infection. Inoculate your entire population to be immune to flood infection and they wouldn't be able to replenish their numbers.
I remember laughing when i saw that the Flood origin story began when some dumbasses decided to rub unknown space dust on their dogs. Like....of all things. And why would you put some unknown dust found on a space ship on your pets. Just the dumbest ways to create the most horrifying creature un all the galaxy's history.
Europeans ground up egyptian mummies and used the powder as medicine well into the 18th century so it isn't like modern humans are any better when it comes to having questionable applications for ancient corpse-dust...
It has it's origins in reality you know. We don't have very many Egyptian mummies left because Europeans were like 'hmm looks like beef jerky' and quite literally ATE them or used the bodies as paint. So yeah, it tracks.
Halo Infinite feels like 80% of the game was cut off and they just made it open world to waste our time in giving us a false sense of the map being big when it's only just one biome.
i agree, the floods actions during the outbreaks in halo 1 and 2 always seemed odd to me. during the initial outbreak they acted based on instinct, but once a gravemind formed they almost seemed to only combat the convent aggressively but seemed to only combat humanity in a defensive setting
I hope the Ancient Humans stay super mysterious. With the Precursors gettin quite a bit of exposition lately, not knowing something about the pre purification galaxy is valuable.
I CANNOT UNDERSTAND why no one went with creating a Halo horror approach to their video game.. The first game created SUCH a eerie perfect foundation to eventual games being made leaning way more into that direction with eerie vibes and creative story telling.. It makes no sense how these devs cannot see the potential there!?
“The greatest trick the Devil ever pulled was convincing the world he didn’t exist” I recently re-read the Forerunner trilogy and I’m convinced that the Flood convincing them that there was a cure was their greatest trick. Another great video man, I love these deep dives and theories taken from the books and presented like this, keep up the good work.
@@markricheard1870 the cure hasn’t been discovered yet. And the quote was about misdirection and being able to get people to believe what you are trying to get them to believe. Also I know the devil isn’t real, and the Flood aren’t either
A topic I would love to see you discuss, would be... Is Time Travel or any form of Time Manipulation possible within the Halo Universe and lore? I don't know enough of all of the entire Halo series Lore, to know if there is technology or anything possible to travel through, or manipulate time in any fashion Could Master Chief go back in time, and change any events from any Halo? I bring this up, to also discuss the Flood Cure Could John ultimately go back in time, to when the Precursor were turning themselves into dust, and get them to stop. Informing them of what will happen Thus, changing the entire timeline to the Flood never even existing And because the Precursors have power beyond time and space, maybe they would be aware of what happened in this alternate past (their future) timeline, and then know Humans deserve the mantel, because they passed the test, by stopping the flood through time travel
I would like a horror game involving the flood. Instead of playing as a Spartan or an ODST, you play as a regular ordinary person. Being so vulnerable would take what's already a horrific threat and makes it even more threatening. Maybe have it be one of ONI's several failed experiments on the flood.
you know.. far as intentional outbreaks go.. from the more recent Halo Infinite side story about Saturn, we do have a flood infested ship roaming somewhere in space. will we see it again in the form of the true test starting, will it just be a passing mention?
It's likely never coming up again because it's unlikely to have actually escaped. No gravemind means combat forms can't drive vehicles and since that story was before infinite there would have been a flood outbreak before infinite's story started.
@@AxisChurchDevotee no gravemind just means they are feral, they don't need to don't the ship to drift for a few years, decades even then crash on some backwater world.
@@MstrGalzraVoid It wouldn't be able to use the ship at all due to the complexity of it. Combat forms can't do anything strategic or complex without a keymind.
@@AxisChurchDevotee i just stated they don't need to actually use the ship. It's the flood, they can stay in a dormant feral state for decades. They can just float through space until someone finds them or they crash into something.
@@MstrGalzraVoid No I mean the ship is unlikely to have even taken off. Combat form can't do anything complex like that. Without a keymind they are just in "Attack and infect anything" mode.
Imagine what halo would have been like if those early humans had decided to burn that supposedly “harmless “ space powder instead of feeding it to their alien space dogs?
To immunize...to cure. I still struggle with multiple layers of memory of fighting the Flood, but I know this cure is possible, even though the full genius of the Forerunners was unable to achieve it
Never been able to quite understand this part of the lore. Ancient humanity, hyper advanced, almost comparable to the forerunners... "Hey I have an idea, let's feed the mystery dust that came from those mystery ships to our dogs. Seemed fine when we tested it"
I'd love to see a future Halo game bring back the Flood but make them a more ferocious and intelligent enemy as the "final test" for the Mantle. Giving them more unique forms and more diverse AI so that they are more fun to fight would go a long way, in addition to the traditional combat forms. Also seeing Keyminds would be sick. Also, super hot take, but I think bringing the Prometheans back as a machine more future-esque Terminator type species would be sick if done right! The problem fighting those guys is it just wasn't fun with all their teleporting and stuff. If they were reworked to have parts of their metallic framework breaking off during combat, it would really make fighting them more visceral and give more visual feedback to the player! It wouldn't delve into gore either if 343 wanted to keep that T rating, and could still give us that rawness and physicsy fun that's been lacking from Halo games since the Bungie days. Just imagine the Prometheans becoming allies with the monitors of a few installations, and fighting side by side with Sentinels in scenes reminiscent of Future War in the Terminator movies. And also Promethean styled vehicles. Fighting as the Arbiter to unify the fractured post-Covenant species still tangled by war. Discovering the true mystery of Zeta Halo: that all these years later The Primordial had hid away his consciousness before dying with the Endless. And that The Endless's goal was to return from deep space with him to finally enact their plan to conquer the galaxy and prove to the Primordial that they, not humanity, were worthy of the mantle. All while the Primordial's true goal was to enact the final test for humanity: to unleash the flood on a scale never seen, and bring hidden Key minds from deep space to the Milky Way. This version of the parasite would be far superior to what had been fought before. And even factions of humanity begin to question whether or not they should light the Halo array as a last resort to killing the Flood.
I have a theory, which may be opposed by other lore pieces, but I'd like to share it. What if the ancient Humans were deemed worthy of the Mantle by The Flood, which is why they were left alone? I know it's an outlandish theory, but please hear me out. We know that The Precursors deemed humanity worthy, but maybe there were some who, after becoming The Flood, wanted to see how humanity would fare in an open conflict to prove themselves worthy of holding the Mantle. Perhaps during the War, humanity did something that proved their worthiness, and that's why The Flood chose to leave them alone and slowly withdraw. But when the Forerunners went on a genocidal campaign against humanity, that was the final straw for The Flood. The Precursors grew tired of the Forerunner Empire's arrogance and their lust for absolute power, so they unleashed pure horror, the likes of which the Forerunners had never seen before. We can always chalk up what The Primordial stated as a way to mess with them since why would it reveal its true plans? The Precursors existed for an untold amount of time and likely came from another plain of existence, so why would they reveal their true plan? I don't know, but I thought it could be an interesting theory that some may like. Edit: I started writing this before i finished the Video since i didn't want to loose my train of thought so it's bit similar to what's said later on but this was written before hand.
If there ever was or will be a cure, I'd imagine it wouldn't be able to reverse/restore the host infected due to the sheer damage done to their bodies (liquified organs, broken limbs, tendrils sticking out of everything, etc.). If anything, all the cure would do is simply kill off the flood super cells in the body as well as severing the connection the flood has with the hosts body, which even then would just leave behind a rotting corpse.
His genetic code was difficult for the particularly old infection form to decode. Johnson was able to kill it before it made any meaningful infection progress
It wasn't that he had a full immunity from the flood it was more that any infection form that tried to infect him would just have an unreasonably bitch of a time doing it because as we all know the flood take control of you through your nervous system and it is extremely important for them to get the central nervous system however the Spartan one augmentations that Sergeant Johnson had royally fucked his nervous system to the point where it was near impossible not impossible but near impossible for a flood infection form to effectively infect him to the point where it would take too much time fiddling around on top of him while Sargent Johnson's still in control (and would obviously be killing the infection form) as well as an extremely weak connection to the host anyway because of the damaged nervous system that it was just not worth it in the floods eyes
Interesting that I never got a RU-vid notification for this, despite the fact that I’m subscribed with notifications on. I wouldn’t have seen this if it wasn’t for the discord notification. Is this a problem anyone else is having?
There's a very high likelihood that you've been subscribed long enough that the algorithm has stopped showing you the videos and/or notifying you. It's happened on a few other channels that I follow.
@@TravlerBlue I’ve been subscribed for longer than I can remember, so that makes sense. Come to think of it, I think Xperia might’ve been the first person I subscribed to when I made this account.
Wait it not only takes over the body but imbeds itself into the soul of a being. Dude that's beyond terrifying your alone with this other being inside your mind and one with your soul
Worse that if your family also consumed by the parasite it uses them against you. Torturing you forever, the halo were a great weapon against the flood.
My headcanon about the Flood is that when the Ancient Humans talked with the last Precursor, he told them that Humanity and all life in the galaxy's only purpose was to feed the Precursors with their precious life experiences. All the hope, dread, hate, love, anger and peace that each being feels is nothing more than a hearty meal for the Precursors to devour. And the Precursors create scenarios to feed on particular emotions and experiences, resetting the galaxy to begin anew for when they tire of the current one. And the current scenario that the Precursors were craving was the dread, hopelessness, and insanity inducing fear that the Flood create. I don't blame those Ancient Humans for committing mass self deletion upon hearing this truth, for what more could you hope to live for if your life's experiences was engineered to be nothing more than food for such eldritch beings?
"what more could you hope to live for if your life's experiences was engineered to be nothing more than food for such eldritch beings?" "Killing them for doing it, then being free of them." is the answer to that. To be fair, not everyone would take that response, and it's clear none of the researchers had the fighting spirit to take that response.
Oh and a new idea. So you make a planet that has floating cities and the atmosphere is just a glassing beam that got stretched across the "planet" aka The glassing beam bubble.
love your vids - always enlightening to me as someone who never played the games, but wanted to know the lore. One note, and this may be due our different regional accents, but when you say forerunner, I hear "foreigner" instead of "4 Runner" and it throws me every time. lol.
Though once you get infected wouldnt reversing it kill you if you didnt die during transformation that is. Cuz your body is all mangled and deformed so i dont think curing it can happen. But inmmunization i think would be possible
Greg Bear’s Forerunner Saga was an incredibly interesting and insightful. Just imagine being an ancient human scientist, conversing with a being that’s possibly your creator and he reveals the powdery substance in your food and makeup is actually a parasitic, galaxy killing creature and it’s in your system. I bet that’s what made some of them to go insane.
What about in the books with sgt Johnson , he was immune to the flood because he was exposed to a crate of plasma gernades and and was diagnosed with a disease that was treatable but he rises to get it treated?
I could be entirely wrong, but isnt the Reason Sgt. Johnson survived Alpha Halo is because of his Spartan 1 Augmentations? The Flood seemingly either wanted nothing to do with him or his skin was so thick they couldnt penetrate it with their tentacles. I always wondered why that wasnt studied more and then tried to be put to use in efforts to contain/eradicate the flood
I don’t think there is another well “flood” unless another group of precursors turned themselves to dust and became flood. But I think the flood is the result of something happening to these dust form precursors.
Definitely worth mentioning that when a human was infected they could infect a San’Shyum (prophet) but if a San’Shyum was infected first, it couldn’t infect a human. And when humanity fought both the forerunners and the flood, the forerunners didn’t even know about the flood for more of the early war, they just thought the humans were destroying forerunner planets and people for their own greed. And finally the flood was a Failed mutation for the last precursors, it was supposed to be a way of revenge yes, but it was supposed to also bring them back to their original forms. But I absolutely agree that bungies flood wasn’t the test that the Primordial described, when the flood fought the forerunners, it stuck to the outside of forerunner space, it consumed everything it could without being noticed, and then slowly moved inward to the less noticeable forerunner colonies and planets. When it comes time for humanity’s tests, it will be the same, like you mentioned in a previous video, a flood infected condor with a slipspace drive escaped after infecting some Spartans and a mining site. But the flood leaving the halos wasn’t an accident either. It was the preview, just like early humans and forerunners had. It was essentially their pretest.
Fume is also coming under some scrutiny. They're flavored with essential oils, and you're breathing those oils into your lungs. Essential oils aren't meant to be breathed in, and can lead to even more damage than vaping
I think that the only way to truly defeat the flood would be the harnessing of neural physics, which coincidentally would also make a species ripe for the mantle of responsibility.
the test is that you have to become a transcendent teir 1 species to excape the flood similar to how the halos dont kill the flood because they are beyond nervous systems, which is also what the flood feeds on.
have ya done a video breaking down all the religious symbolism and why it is there? Does it serve a purpose or is it just a vibe? flood, halo, prophet, etc. obvii some sort of critique on using religion to obtain some goal.
10:22 I’ve been playing since Halo CE and only just now realised that the little tentacles sticking out of combat forms belong to the infection form that infected the host. I thought they were just tentacles that grew, but no, it’s the infection form… … That creeps me out even more for some reason.
I feel like the Forerunners really dropped the ball on this one. Any amount of scientific due diligence would have prevented the Flood from becoming a problem in the first place, and failing that glassing the planet from orbit seems to work pretty well. Glass it, crack it, hurl the chunks into a star.
Making a ‘cure’ for the flood sounds a lot like making a ‘cure’ for the fungus in The Last Of Us: it’s not something that you can just cure. At most: you can possibly make someone immune to the spore and maybe unusable (not unkillable) for infection forms to turn them into combat forms, like the ancient humans did (though wether the bodies could still be used for biomass I have no idea).
So short answer: physical transformation can be prevented via Composing, Logic Plague however can be through... however the Didact did it. Possible to be effectively immune from infection
Sgt. Johnson in halo combat evolved developed immunity because of a illness caused by a type of radiation which was somehow cured by a flood infection form
Actually, Johnson was immune, however it was through a number of incidents that lead to this. One was the Project Orion, or Spartan 1 augmentations. They made it difficult for the Flood. The second had to do with a treatment for a type of radioactive exposure he had with Covenant plasma. I want to say it was their grenades, and I mean a lot of them, but he never finished the treatment. In one of the books, a Flood form tried to infect Johnson, but immediately retracted from him. And other forms around him upon this reaction never tried to infect him. Chief was made aware of Johnson's medical records and had the footage of Johnson's encounter with the Flood and how they rejected him. I know he destroyed the chip with the medical records fearing ONI would lock Johnson up and tear him apart to find the answers, so and he figured the footage would be more than sufficient as proof of the Flood and the dangers it posed. I don't think Johnson had the cure, but I do think he might have something akin to what ancient humanity did with the genetic disease. Something that would have an adverse effect to the Flood that made him harder to infect and something that had a degrading effect to its own genetic coding. However, replicating this exact make up with each and every person would be nearly impossible or at least very insurmountable as the biology of one human to another is vastly different. So, getting it right for one person may not work on the next one, the next few thousand. The death toll to have this make up for humanity would be nearly extinction level.
@@danielbeck2739 what? no. stop making stuff up, johnson was never inmune, halsey stated he was just harder to infect, also you confused facts, jonhson never got radiation treatment caused by the grenades, what happened is that halsey made up a medical condition caused by plasma grenades, TO COVER THAT JOHNSON RESISTANCE TO FLOOD WAS CAUSED BY HIM BEING A SPARTAN, since spartans 1 are actually a secret no one should know about.
@@delawarevex4976 That's not what I recall, however if I'm mistaken then I apologize. Been years since I read the books, but I do remember certain details from them. Again, been years, so if you could at least tell me which book it was in because I know it is near the tail end of either the Flood or the one(s) that came right after Chief escaped the Halo ring itself. I would like to verify it myself as it appears you might know what I'm referring to.
from what I understand, the cure has to do something with neural physics, with the UrDidact being cured by a composer, which uses a cruder form of them to digitize a consciousness, so if there is one, it has to use them in some way
What about Sergeant Johnson didn't one of the books say that he's immune to the flood because of all the augmentations and shit that he had and that's how we survived Halo 1 lol
Well im theory the flood only moves because the primordial directed it to. The flood is a fletching version of the primordial. All the forerunners did by destroying "the last of the primordials" was cause a slight very heart felt detour. Like the primordials are those people who get a call on their way home from work and the girlfriend, boyfriend, wife, husband, ect, breaks up with them. And the primordial some how manages not to yank the wheel to the side, and eventually put their life back together better than before. Of course were talking about an interaction between two people and a cosmic entity that so happened to "seemed" like it got eradicated. Longer story shorter. The primordial was just set back a couple of steps in whatever it was doing. Humanity is a part of what the primordial is doing. The forerunners got in the way. The primordials will make it seem like there coming for the forerunners just for the forerunners to crush themselves under their own ignorance and paranoia. While feeding humanities flame that can only be described in thes few words. "AGAINST ALL ODDS" and much like preparing for a final test in school. There are pre tests. Well practice tests and study material. What we have seen so far the waves of flood coming and going. Practice test. Research on flood infestation such as infected individuals and most valuable pure forms as their directly connected to the genetic coding. Leading to counter measures Such as attempting to freeze the ever changing biology of a group of flood by exposing them to the medusan toxin. Original i know. Moving on... Study material. Must i go on.
I think the precursor’s final test might involve one of the strongest in humanity’s ranks being devoured and learned from to better challenge humanity, like a spartan infected by the flood and managing to escape to use its spartan knowledge to better accumulate power.
Not even close.They don't imitate their victims, and they have a clear goal of just testing humanity.The thing has no clear motive beyond survival and can hide its entire being.Not only that,but the food doesn't turn on itself like the thing would to preserve its cover.
Can you explain two things: 1. How did the forerunners destroy the precursors if they were so advanced? 2. How did the original flood precursors get corrupted?
Wasn't Sgt. Johnson immune or at least resistant to the Flood? In Halo: First Strike, which details John's return from Installation 04 to Earth in between Halo CE and Halo 2, if we recall correctly Dr. Halsey analysed Johnson and deduced that the Flood HAD tried to infect him, but it didn't take and all the Flood cells in his body just...died
In the ending cutscene of Halo 3's level Floodgate, Cortana said "On the other side, there's a solution, a way to stop the flood without firing the remaining halo rings", now you could argue that this is Cortana is in rampancy from the logic plague by the gravemind, but i would be interested in knowing if there was a real cure to the flood or not.
remember when you raised the rebuild installation 04 on the arc. MC asked Spark if he knew about the rebuild one from the beginning and Spark more or less said there have been implications of sorts... Its possible that Cortana also learned about it and concluded this as a secret solution. Get the flood there and fire just that one instead of all rings.
