yeah man I love Zac. He's one of the main reasons I keep up with weightlifting even though I don't weightlift myself. Weightlifting House and Seb are doing a great job with their coverage as well. Zac is just a great guy and really wants to see the sport he loves/competes in to stay alive and for all the obvious bs to stop.
Experts from various multimedia channels such as ESPN (pictured left) was invited onto the BBC Network (pictured center) along with Discovery Channel (pictured right) to discuss current drug use in weightlifting and where the sport sits.
The new javelin isn't actually any heavier, it's still 0.800kg. The center of pressure was moved behind the center of gravity so now new javelins will nose down flying through the air. I'm actually olde enough to have thrown both, poorly. The idea was the same, though, make the javelin fly less far.
@@jackn9951 I don’t think the impact of a tailwind on the old jav was significantly greater; any difference was likely due to the prolonged flight time. Dudes were just throwing it out of stadiums, and it was weighted such that even very long throw often landed flat, posing serious risks to officials and other athletes.
@@jackn9951 Think of all the air pressing on the javelin in flight, and reduce it to an equivalent force at a single point. That's the center of pressure. Javelins are top-heavy, since they are hollow aluminum rods with a steel tip, so the center of gravity is nearish that heavy tip. Except for the cord grip, the jav is fairly symmetric aerodynamically, so the center of pressure is near the physical center, AKA halfway between the ends. These centers aren't in the same spot. So you have a point where (air) forces are acting at a distance away from the center of gravity. Force times lever arm, that's a torque. The longer the javelin flies, the more time the wind gets to nose the javelin down. As for susceptibility, I don't know whether to call it less or more, but it's different. I think old javelins flew farther in air than in a vacuum, they made some lift flying through the air. I assume the centers of gravity and pressure were very close together and the jav glided through the air with the minimum of cross-sectional area hitting the air, like a spiral in football (yes, the jav spins along the long axis, too). The new javelin, with the centers farther apart, would apply more torque to the javelin, nosing it down quicker. It actually flies less far than it would have in a vacuum.
Am really enjoying this format guys, great job. Seeing how much more outspoken and enthusiastic ZT is since the move to Texas/reaching a tipping point of frustration with the state of doping in weightlifting has also been entertaining to watch.
In regards to the javelin there was no weight increase , the centre of mass was changed and also the aerodynamics altered to reduce the flight of javelin but it’s weight remained the same.
I have always said that to the average viewer watching the Olympics it makes absolutely no difference if there is 200kg on the bar or 250kg. It's still a competition for who can lift the most. The only way they have any frame of reference to how heavy it is, are the current world records. For the rest of us that know that the performance has dropped it would still be interesting. Let's face it, the only person who is truly lifting more weight today than they did in the 80's is Lasha. And we still care, and still watch.
No average viewer watches weightlifting, simple as that. THAT is what will kill weightlifting in the Olympics, not drugs. IOC wouldn't care about drugs if the sport was hugely popular.
@@Artheam I would argue that the reason doping in weightlifting is becoming such a big issue for the IOC is BECAUSE more people are watching. Especially in the western countries. If no one was watching, it would very easy to sweep all of the positive tests under the rug without tarnishing the games as a whole.
@@yevgeniyfiskin4781 nope thats literally wrong, think of the most popular sports that are consumed soccer, tennis, rugby, basketball, track and field. we know there are many scandles that have occured in these sports but beacuse they have so much money backed for them corruption is far easier. There is fucking billions of dollars to be made in those sports nobody will pop messi or usain bolt
I remember looking at Boyanka lifting prior to her 1st suspension heavy makeup but didn't hide acne.Michaela Breeze was commentating that she could power clean 145kg.Former 75kg Russian Olga Zubova said to me she c,&j 175 ,- snatched over 135kg
0:52 Stanazolol doesnt have a detectiontime of 9 months, not in urine that is. It has a detection time of about 10-20 days in standardized tests. Half-life is about 9 hours if taken orally and about 24 hours if taken Intra-muscular
It will never be too late for weightlifting to change. NEVER too late. The sport just has to accept that they need to let the old corrupt officials and doped up numbers die on the wayside. They've had their time to "shine" and embezzle. Time to change the culture for the better. Even if it means trashing and obliterating all the previous records set and starting again (this is for the olympics and tested comps btw)
10:54 lifetime bans should be the way full stop, that goes for all Olympic sports, plenty of drug abusers have came back after bans and taken medals. The US sprinter comes to mind Justin Gatlin. 11:40 - I watch the sport for the wow factor etc, but I assume they are all taking something, its like watching cyling, tour de France etc the culture is so strong with doping it will never shed the stigma.
At 12:45 on old records - I think that's what we're seeing right now with Lasha. The old super heavy records were set by immensely drugged up Russians at the height of Russian doping. Lasha is a 100% freak of nature - just look at him in his lifts as a teenager - he's an absolute monster even as a kid. In the US he would have gone straight to Alabama and then to the NFL and then to the hall of fame as one of the best offensive (or defensive) linemen of all time. It's only because he grew up in Georgia that he got routed to the weightlifting program and we're seeing the result of it. And it's taken a once in a century (or more) talent, with the right development program to do it, and it's taken him a good amount of time to get there. He got the snatch record already and he'll get Taranenko's 266 C&J this year. I bet he gets 267. But he's a massively bigger man. The lower weight classes won't be able to out-grow the old records, they'll need freaks like Naim with perfect body composition and athletic ability.
Mad props to any weightlifter advocate or connoisseur because this sport seems so plagued with doping that we won’t know what a “good athlete” is or a “good method” is because drugs have infiltrated the sport so systemically. I feel like it’ll only be semi fixed or resolved if athletes get a life time ban OR there is a sanctioned “natural” or “tested” federation. Shame cause it’s such a beautiful and powerful sport to watch.
this is massive cope tho, PEDs only highly benefit those who already have elite genetics, infact sika made a video about this, most likely if all sports became 100 percent clean the same atheletes that made it to the top are still on top
I would be against fines as a sanction, it simply favours the nations that can already pay these such as Russia or even the US. I would think long-term Nation bans / first time lifter bans are the best solution.
The IOC actually removing the sport from Olympic competition is what is going to actually make the change happen. People don't change until there are actionable consequences. Threats can help when the threatened sport's administrators take it seriously, but you never know who will and who won't. Wrestling took the threat seriously and adopted changes to stay on the card, so to speak. Baseball didn't, so it's gone. Weightlifting is becoming a headache for the IOC that the latter doesn't need, especially right now. Would it be in the best long term interest of the sport to be out of the Olympics for a games or two in order to reorganize for a better future? I tend to believe the sport would survive in that period without games because it has a broad enough grass roots support, as well as the fact that CrossFit isn't going anywhere anytime soon. The question for Weightlifting is "how much of the present do you want to sacrifice for the future?"
Just a feedback here , nothing mean. But I appreciate more factual and calm comments and discussion than emotional yelling and personal resent about an athlete. Seb and Eoin's comments were more interesting and factual.
Hey Emma, I totally get that! The News Show will always be more factual, and then most likely we'll get a bit silly on the Wrap-Up. Hopefully something fo everyone.
@@kaliningradtoczechrepublic8162 We'll also see more corruption in this sport to have bigger nations try to prove they're natty and superior to untested people aka poor nations. The "tested" feds in Powerlifting have guys peaking for their meets and hitting PRs every week leading up to it and then their test showing the test and hormone levels of an average 40-50 year old. I love powerlifting but the "sport" in itself is somewhat of a joke sometimes. Weightlifting also wouldn't transition to untested feds while it is still an Olympic sport. I can't think of a single sport in the Olympics that wouldn't be drug tested. I think even snowboarding and curling are still drug tested.
One of the things I love about weightlifting house is the rational, calm and well educated conversation on the sport of weightlifting. While I do think Zack has some good points to make, the over the top ranting is incredibly annoying. #MakeWeightliftingHouseZenAgain
14:30 I disagree most definitely with Owen here. Sport will always be the story of the athlete AND what they achieve and leave behind. Once you put the most value on just "numbers achieved" then the sport will just stale out. Momentary fun just doesn't compare to people who leave behind ABSOLUTE LEGACIES like Pyrros Dimas story from rags to riches or Jordan and his team redefining and popularizing Basketball to the world.
Dont confuse popularizing NBA and the sport of basketball. US spottscasters keep pushing that narrative as if basketball wasn't popular across the planet already. The 90s was the era of satellite dishes and was a prime reason why nba got and their international marketing push around Olympics (illegal dishes played a huge role). European countries started their 1st divisions in 1920s (25yrs before nba), world cup was in 1950 ('53 for women). By late 60s, there were womens leagues (soccer took till 30-40yrs later.) But it works for myth building that the NBA brought the sport to the world that had no clue.
@@vlada my fucking point isn't the story of basketball or the league. It's about the growth of the sport and the biggest driving force to it - which is the story of the teams or athletes and not the stupid records set cuz in the end of ends, those are just numbers. People care about people, not points or plates.
Why does weightlifting like winstrol so much? There are far better DHT derivatives with an even faster clearance time, and on top of that far better non DHT derivatives with faster clearance times for force production.
@@DeathOfWar55 more androgenic compounds, cheque drops would probably be amazing and even though it’s a 19-nor it has a fast clearance time, maybe some suspensions, no ester, or propionate injectable with fast clearance times. The duchess cocktail was actually brilliant and made way more sense than winstrol.
I am a cyclist and have been for 3 decades. I started weight lifting to train for my track sprint. This all played out in professional cycling for the last 15 or so years. The pros are at a higher level of performance than during the big drug times. Granted I'm sure that there is still strategies of performance enhancement and huge teams of researchers and medical professionals making the sport more physically sustainable for the athlete. It's just not cheap and easy as drugs. The hardest hurdle is the cultural mindset of drugs. The freaks of nature will be found when that is the priority of the national federations. These conversations are the starting point. Keep up the good work and keep the faith!
Why are you attaking her and then you Glorify other athletes that we all know the are dopped ? Double moral? (Loredana, Lasha, all team china, your best friend Gabriel, etc etc etc etc x10000)
I kind of like the old Olympic practice of fining the cheater (or in this case probably the national federation) and using the $ to erect a permanent statue to their nation's shame outside the stadium. They could move them every 4 years to the new location so the next round of Bulgarians, Colombians, etc. would have to enter the stadium passing by the permanent reminder of what happened. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zanes_of_Olympia
Maybe he meant that as some cultures will have that be normal and fot others it'll be very unusual. Like US Americans not smoking but smoking being extremely widespread in Europe.
The Bulgarian program had 15 minutes break between exercises/sessions. People thought that was athletically important in some way. Nah, just a smoke break. I've also seen stories of how much the Chinese weightlifters smoke, because it's just so common to smoke there.
All sports are rampant with drugs, every country, every team. How else do you separate athletes at the very peak of human condition ? Qualification eliminates the back makers, leaving the best of the best, how do you further who's left ? Those with the biggest sponsors, with the most fans and most money win.
@@Thanos23 yeah he just puts them on a pedastal, I'd like to see what they could c&j and snatch natty. But they aren't natty, and I'd like to know on what basis are they the most genetically gifted. Is that why there's a major injury in what feels like almost every game?
Wouldn't be an Olympic sport anymore if there was no testing. Even shit sports like curling have athletes get popped lol. Drugs are a part of every competitive sport and they need to be regulated. It's just so obvious how unregulated it is right now. Everyone is on drugs in PL, too. tested and untested are barely any difference.
While doping is rife, people have and still are getting popped so it’s not a complete waste. It does make me laugh how low people’s standards are for claiming drug-use though, and shows they haven’t spent much time in high-level training environments with the genetically gifted. Have most of you even watched a full session and not just WH/HookGrip/ATG clips of the biggest names on the platform or in the training hall? There’s a kid at my gym who’s not even 18 yet, competes in the sub-junior 83kg category of the British Powerlifting IPF branch and his most recent total was 195kg/160kg/260kg (with none of his lifts using lol meme ROM either) making him one of the best in the country. Nothing special internationally though, yet… but most people will never get anywhere near those numbers regardless. Obviously a lot of the god-tier lifters are ‘suspicious’ but the people who come out to make their first attempt when everyone else has has completed their third only make up a fraction of the sport and they’re the sort of people who were likely already freaks to begin with.
How close to a test does a contestant dope? Would it be possible to drug these these mf-ers every day for, say 120 days for example, leading up to the competition?
That's how you get 16 year old Bulgarians dying of liver failure on the platform because they took even more drugs to win. As flawed as our doping system is, we don't have the equivalent of bloated pro bodybuilders and strongmen tearing their biceps every five minutes. Anti doping at the very least forces things down to a more reasonable level.
What makes it sadder is women can't go in reverse. We had a lifter in US, Geralee Vega, who went female to male transgender to Gerald Lee Vega and had to give up the sport entirely, because she was on 600mg test per week to transition.
@@GilBatesLovesyou what's sad is we live in a time where people believe men can be turned into women and women turned into men. I will not accept someone for what they think they are when they cannot accept themselves for what they actually are.
@@lucasskrobish2473 It's unfortunately not quite as simple as only belief or psychology in some cases. To be 100% clear I don't endorse most of the modern movement, especially with regards to minors "transitioning" it's just as abusive or more than what's happening with drugs in WL. The problem comes in our modern age that someone can be chromosomally male or female, but due to outside influences like hormones given in pregnancy to prevent miscarriages, failed birth control continued while still pregnant, or some other drugs or even their metabolites, the fetus develops without the proper natural hormone balance in the womb. Then the baby is essentially soft-intersexed from the influence of drugs, and in some cases transitioning to the opposite gender is the right choice. I wouldn't say this is the right decision the majority of the time, but it can be some of the time.
The rants are always hilarious. Brings me back to the good old 80-90s when the drug war and the war on steroids was going full swing to stop the killing field of weed and dianabol. (Alzado wasting away, during the aids scare, was a big push of the war) The virtue signaling by the drug warriors was hilarious. As was cops breaking into gyms fully armed and finding two vials in a locker and 50 bottles of Twinlabs protein powder and other "banned supplements " and the police would tell the media they found "50lbs of steroids". We need to go back to those drug war days, more laws, more cops, maybe firing squads. And when we solve that drug problem, we can then move to eradicate prostitution, junk food, bad music, stop politicians and media lying. Should be just as easy to get people all in a lather over these 'crimes'.
well why is there a need for Anti Doping, its not like with Anti-doping people aren't taking PEDs, why put on this charade just remove the anti-doping and just let people take whatever they want then atleast americans n western europeans will be competitive
@@pervyboy69 i know Friends who has been lifting for around 5-10 years, and they dope for lifts like 110-130 Snatch and 160-170 clean and jerk, now imagine the top level athletes...
Yes I cringe when someone tells me he is better than me (a fellow bulgarian) then later I find out he is taking roids and I lift almost the same weights as him while being natural. And I think in my country (Bulgaria) alot of males who go to the gym are on some type of a drug. I personally think that taking a drug on a begginer or intermediate level is an insult to the body that you're in. Also yes the elite level athletes are on drugs almost if not all of them. It doesnt matter how much and how you sleep, eat, hydrate, and lift at the end of the day its all about those PED's
newsflash.. everybody at that level is on drugs. I honestly don't see the problem with it, what a joke. This is no different from professional body building saying they test their athletes when everyone knows no human being can get that large without drugs.
Is there a reason it's called getting "popped?" Is it just a cutesy way of saying "caught for blatant cheating with steroids" in the weightlifting community?
The issue is that while everyone dopes only some get caught, in fact the video of Clarence Kennedy makes an excellent point. Here in Spain we have Lidia Valentin whose opponents are all banned but she, despite having an even manlier body and pretty much moving the same weights is natural? Sure. Same for the Chinese team with ultra low fat athletes at almost 10kg over height... Also you're delusional only attacking lesser developed countries when USA and China are the home of doping. Even more powerful than Russia which is saying a lot. Best and most popular example is the NBA and how everyone who wants to gets jacked in no time breaking the laws of nature gaining a ton of muscle mass w/o gaining a pound of fat despite barely touching the gym (most vids you see are with terrible techniques and really low weights...) And you forget it's about reaching the maximum possible which without doping is pretty low in every single sport. Do you even realize how boring any sport would be w/o doping? Have in mind people choose the sport they play so most of the time it's not what they were born for so it would take freaks of nature to play w/e they are best at, to not even be remotely close to the world records we have today. Therefore doping is not the issue but rather ignorance. If we want to have the best athletes breaking records and reaching what was thought to be impossible we need to accept that PEDs under heavy medical supervision are the way to go. You can't say a record was based on merely PEDs abuse, there's a lot of work behind. So, a final thought. Nobody should tell me to not wear a helmet riding a motorbike if I don't want to, it's MY life and only MINE I risk. Nobody should tell an athlete seeking greatness to not take risks.
I think there will need to be untested leagues. It'll be like powerlifting, where there are crazy juiced up freaks crushing it and naturals just sorta hanging out.
You guys are too much, pondering on this lady Weightlifter, and you guys know she cheat. Leave her alone, move on. I bet you if you were in Europe, you wouldn't be talking that. Anabolics will never stop. Face reality! For years, leaders been suggesting two separate federations, just like powerlifting, so we won't fall into this doping problem. It will never end, as long the Europeans is involved in Olympic Weightlifting. And now, Chinese is the most dominant country now, could question, are their elite weightlifters clean?
Don't know what the big fuss is about. They are all taking something they just haven't got caught because they are better at masking the drug use. Why do you think they don't point the finger at each other
I feel like this kind of proves Clarence's point on doping. Athlete from smaller country gets caught taking stanozolol, while an athlete from a bigger wealthier country with a much bigger and better funded olympics program would have someone give them a PED that wouldn't show up on regular urine tests and/or something to mask metabolites in urine that is not as easily available. The women she competed against were on something too, they just didn't get caught.
What I really don't get is you guys throwing all this tantrum over Boyanka being caught again while praising and hyping the shit out of Lasha, who came out of a suspension snatching 10kg over his old clean and jerk. lmfao Eoin put it perfectly, we're way past the point of being able to admire the sport out of the juice. No one remembers the 109 battle for a 150 snatch in the D session, everybody remembers Ilya/Ruslan/David.
