MuslimNinjaAssassin Nah. Downtuning means loosening the heads. With enough force (but a lot of it), the head would break. But tightening the drum head would have a higher chance, so I think.
Yeah standard tuning for 8 strong ... though Meshuggah goes EADGBEAD so it is kinda 1 step lower with a minor twick where is interval of 2 steps instead of 2.5 step
Alex Wales pfft I prefer drop 786366575849393947784995894938949488394883939 9489593884949394883949838397583993848389393839387655444525336890743887642Zzzz triple flat
@@shlak 8 string guitars E Standard is basically a bass because of the E1 A1 D2 G2 C3 F3 A3 D4 and Drop E1 was what he was referring to as in E1 B1 E A D G B E. Unless i completely misunderstood you
Well done! Crazy riff, great bass playing! FWIW, I thought it was great around the "C" region, after that, it definitely became a "diminishing returns" thing.
***** no... A... unless you are meshuggah, in which case go as low as you like Actually, id like to see meshuggah play Bleed in E tuning and compare that
I think that it depends on how you play it, especially the palm mutes and the way you attack the strings. The band Sylosis sounds really really heavy and they play on E standard.
Juan José Fonseca Godoy Sylosis makes it sound like fucking B standard. It's the combination of adding the fifth below the root while palm muting the fuck out of it and the bass hitting the root. Much respect to them for playing like that.
nah, drop 189 is where it's at. 10000000000 octaves lower than drop 🅱️, and you thought THAT was low, it's about 100 octaves lower than Drop =_= and 254 octaves lower than drop ∆. Also, can someone show me how to italic a RU-vid comment?
This video proves that heaviness comes from the riff more than the tuning. To me this riff just wasn't heavy, so no amount of tuning lower will make it heavy.
Personally, I think that every riff has a tuning that it sounds best in, which usually ends up being the original tuning it was written in. To me this riff sounded best in Eb/D#, but some people will disagree, and at the end of the day everything we do is subjective and there's no real "right" answer.
@@Holagrimola how the fuck is that a way of saying he’s fat? Do you always assume things like this? Do you seriously have no other reason in life other than to be super offended by things you arent even being told? Sad
If you are one of those who thinks that lower tunings are "heavier", I'll say this: Paramore guitarist uses drop C# tuning. Just for you all to consider it.
+DrakosLord Sum 41 uses drop C# on some songs on their album Chuck, namely "Angels With Dirty Faces", "I'm Not the One" and "Moron". They're good songs, I'm practicing "Angels With Dirty Faces" on bass. But drop C# really isn't that much lower than standard, it's just drop D and a half step down.
If you like to make the comparison between one tuning and the other: 0:14 - E 0:32 - D# 0:51 - D 1:11 - C# 1:34 - C 1:52 - B 2:09 - A# 2:33 - A 2:51 - G# 3:10 - G 3:28 - F# 3:49 - ?¿
The "drop Q" tuning actually offered an interesting effect. It sounded pretty cool. I guess down-tuning doesn't really offer much in the way of 'heaviness,' but still makes sense in terms of transposition.
I like D to C the most, everything is still intelligable and the bass hits hard. B is fine too. Anything beyond that is just unnecessary in terms of string cost etc
C and C# forever. But some bands do manage to go lower than that and be listenable. Mainly when playing slow genres. Doom and Sludge metal for example can sound amazing.
@@movimentodoscacos I've been playing in Drop A on my new 6-String for 2 months now and I was surprised to see that I can actually play pretty clean using the new EB Mammoth Slinky
Every time you take the drill I laughted so hard. How do you explained this to the people in the gym? "Hey guys do you mind if I.... ähm yeha just doing some headbanging while you lift? I mean it´s not even that heavy isn´t it?"
Tuning doesn't really affect the heaviness of a song that much. The three things that really matter are the composition itself, production quality/guitar tone, and (only if its not an instrumental) the emotional impact of the lyrics/vocals. There are plenty of songs I've heard in standard tuning that sound way heavier than many 7 or 8 string songs.
Exactly! The composition, in my opinion, is the biggest factor of the heaviness of a song. Take Peace Sells...But Whos Buying? the album. Good Mourning/Black Friday is extremely heavy mostly due to the composition. And the song is in E standard 1/4 down.
***** They all have talent but it's not pulled together in any coherent way. I love math metal, but it still has to sound like music for me to enjoy it.
Tristan Mahler Absolutely. My brother is obsessed with The DEP. Its playing all the time at our apartment. That's when I go to my room and crank the amp. Gotta drown that audible piss!
My favorite part of the riff (23 seconds in, palm mutes then the low E) becomes totally different once it gets detuned pretty good. The low note is basically inaudible and has a different feel. Almost less "heavy".
I disliked because the riff didn’t lend itself towards the experiment in the first place, rendering the video as pointless. It just wasn’t heavy in any tuning.
For everybody claiming that downtuning really makes you "heavier", it does not. The way that you play, the theory and scales you use, your guitar, amp and signal chain, and your rhythm section are what really determines how "heavy" your metal is. Look at bands like Lamb of God, Children of Bodom, Pantera, and Testament. None of those bands tune lower than C# Standard or Drop C. Lamb of God stuff is in Drop D or Drop C#. Children of Bodom is in D Standard or Drop C. Pantera is anywhere from E Standard (Cowboys), D Standard (Vulgar and Driven) to C# standard (Trendkill). And a lot of Testament is in C# Standard. These guys make some super killer heavy riffs without downtuning the guitar more than one and a half steps. Pantera even has a fucking amazing breakdown written in E Standard in their song Domination. After a certain point, you can't even make out specific notes or changes in pitch without compressing the tone to high hell. Some djent bands (mostly Meshuggah) are cool and pretty damn heavy, but mainly for their killer polyrhythms and Haake's drumming, not for amazingly heavy riffs.
***** And then look at Ashes of the Wake by Lamb of God. Every single track on that record is either in Drop D or D Standard, and I'd argue that as one of the heaviest records I have ever listened to. I agree, heavyness is 100% style, and 0% tuning
***** Oh? Well look at Bleed. 8 String guitar, tuned to F# Standard, but the main riff at the beginning is played on the E string anyways. And to simulate the 5th fret B string bend later in the riff, you could bend behind the nut. All you need is their Axe FX setting and some serious skill and that riff would sound just as good on a 6 string
this was a fairly poor example because single coil guitars tend to lack the depth and bottom end that guitars with humbuckers have, especially lower tunings
Waylon Morley the model of humbucker matters too. stock humbuckers on guitars, usually the generic ones - like Fenders - have awful low end the lower you go. high output HB's like the Nazgul and EMG 81 have much better sound for those low notes
I personally just believe that this mix/playing is not tight at all. There are so many bands tuning down to Drop C, Drop A, Drop F, etc... that have such a clear and open tone with great clarity. This video, however, is the opposite. I even found it hard to listen to in standard.
Mason Stanley It also depends on the guitar as well. Having good pickups and an extended scale length helps the clarity of the lower notes. The types of wood that the guitar is made out of should also be taken into account.
I can agree there. I originally wanted to go with GDADGBE and instead ended up doing ADADGBE because of too much muddiness. Also still get some muddiness with the ADADGBE but that might just be because of the small 15W amp I use and/or my FX unit itself. lol
Robert Headley that is partly due to the guitar itsself. Single coil and active pickups don't come through clearly through distortion on the really low frequencies, and usually the pickups are designed to handle extremely low notes come on extended range guitars. His equipment just isn't meant to handle anything really past C#
Robert Headley that is partly due to the guitar itsself. Single coil and active pickups don't come through clearly through distortion on the really low frequencies, and usually the pickups are designed to handle extremely low notes come on extended range guitars. His equipment just isn't meant to handle anything really past C#
***** i just think it depends on the people , for some people sounds anything shitty which is higher than B standard . my personal liking is between D/Drop C and B/Drop A
F# really does sound good, Slipknot play in F# for most of their songs. The reason everything past B sounded like shit here was because the tone of the guitar wasn't changed so it just got muddier and muddier
all these music snobs saying "the riff sucked! You suck!" get over it! this video was probably just a gimmick, not a showcase of how good Rob is. Personally, i liked the riff and i love Rob, so keep doing what your doing man! Drop Q FTW!
i know that's what you're saying. i'm telling you that this video is supposed to be about proving that. the question is whether or not downtuning will make it heavy on it's own.
I definitely think that heaviness comes more from use of dissonance, intervals and generally disagreeable arrangements than from downtuning. The best example of this is Opeth - 'The Leper Affinity' is in E standard but is possibly the heaviest thing I've ever heard. (Excepting Meshuggah. Because, you know, Meshuggah.)
I found it interesting that sound didnt seem "heavier" to me, i did notice that i liked the sound of some tunings better then others. I really felt my ears perk up at d# and c#.
Exactly. It sounded like a happy song that wanted to be death metal or something. There are plenty of riffs that you can change the tuning of and it'll sound less heavy/heavier. But, I guess it really just depends on the person.
+SomethingDifferent If you try to go 10 tones higher of course it will, but a couple tones up with 09 - 42 strings won't, and also you could just use a capo. It gives a whole different mood to some songs, specially when you are used to hear them in their original tuning.
Of course down tuning is not automatically heavy, but I definitely think there's a few flaws to your experiment. For one, your tone was crafted for a standard tuning. And it sounded good at first. But that same tone setting affects different frequencies differently as you tune it down. If you had taken time to edit your amp model settings, you could have made the lower tunings sounds way better. Second, the riff didn't really show case the advantage of low tuned guitars. You mostly played high up on the frets. What point would that prove? Third, your pick ups and guitar are not necessarily the best for down-tuned metal. One great thing that I think you did was get different gauge strings though. That does make a huge difference. Although part of some people's tone is the looser strings when you down tune. As a whole I agree with the idea which is that "lower tuning is not necessarily heavier", but you can't say that tuning lower doesn't or can't make something heavier. If you're using lots of high shreddy riffs for DM, then a lower tuning isn't necessary but for certain metal subgenres (that use opens or lower tuned rhythm chords), I think it can make something heavier.
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