The downfall of Supernatural 

You either die a horror show or live long enough to become Days of Our Lives with demons

Am I the only one whose upset that DEATH a creature that has been around for TRILLIONS and who is infinitely powerful is just killed by being tricked. REALLY

season 15 so far is just like some poorly- written fan fiction. It makes me sad cuz it’s the last season and the writers are wasting time for fan-service filler episodes.

Lack of consequences is probably one of the two reasons I stopped watching Supernatural. I started watching it when it was a dark fantasy show that could actually scare you a bit and it was my favourite show and the show I grew up with, but watching it now is just painful. There's no point worrying about characters, even less important ones. But the second reason and the one which eventually prompted me to stop watching was the show creating bigger and badder evils after season 5. I mean, the biblical apocalypse was supposed to the the ultimate scariest moment of the show, no? But then they created leviathans out of nowhere, then there was God's sister, which was so ridiculous I just gave up. Bloody Mary in season 1 was scarier than all of the antagonists after season 5. And the show also leaned into comedy too much. Angels and demons were scary once. Now every child with a fork can kill them. Lucifer (especially Jared's version) was genuinely creepy. They turned him into a whiny child. I will watch the ending on RU-vid, but I consider Swan Song the only one true Supernatural ending. Everything else is just making money for the sake of making money.

Supernatural seasons 1-5 were gold. Top tier television. It was scary , heartfelt, fun , dark and epic. It embraced this “ southern gothic “ style with its atmosphere and cinematography. After that … Oof 😥. Season 8 was a welcome return. But that’s really all I can give credit for after season 5. Season 6 was messy and totally ruins the end of 5 but is watchable . Season 7 is goofy and over the top but it is fun and doesn’t deserve the hate.

As the show went on, every single character who was once terrifying has gone on to be a drinking buddy/friend of the boys. When Cas first showed up he burned Pam's eyes out!

Honestly just the disrespect towards Cas in season 15 is what is making me want to stop watching supernatural.

When they brought JACK into the season, my first thought was “wait... did they just forget about Jesse Turner? The first nephilim who appeared in season 5”

“I wouldn’t say the show has become repetitive” ...it has though

My main gripes with the show is that 1) they kill characters off and bring them back over and over which takes away any impact of death 2) the show stuck with christianity and biblical threats instead of moving on from that in season 6 3) i feel like a show mainly about two brother shouldn't go on for 15 seasons especially if they don't increase the main cast

Season 5 was my favorite, especially the horsemen episodes. Reminds me, in Good God, Y’all (S5, ep 2) seconds before they ruthlessly hacked off Roger’s fingers, he said “you can’t kill War kiddos” which makes sense since the horsemen are concepts not beings. But under “season 15 logic” God could remove any of those concepts from the Earth including Death. Or can he?

That finale had to be the worst fan service I've ever seen game of thrones season 8 type of dissapointing

I’m absolutely disappointed with the ending with the show. I can’t even look back now at previous seasons because of that ending. 15x20 was really a disappointment. I like to believe the true ending of the show was season 5. The show should have ended at 5x22.

SPOILER ALERT. yea Dean Legit dies by falling into a sharp object... no hero's death just... gets pushed into a sharp object 🤷🏻‍♂️

The leviathans arc was the last watchable season. Everything after makes me want to put my head in a blast furnace.

Anyone remember Mick? I will forever be salty they killed him off after he was getting interesting.

20:08 the only reason Crowley died for good is because the actor got tired of the same shit and how his character was treated, so he left the show, btw.

You covered a lot of topics what some of the fans, even the most diehard of diehard fans, have been thinking quietly to themselves for a long time. Well done.

God and Jack should never have been brought into it. God should have stayed a mystery.

I stopped watching at the end of season 14 and honestly I became so tired out of the show. I think this show was strongest in the first 3 seasons when it was still grounded and focused on the two brothers hunting more “urban legend” type monsters. I think once the angels and demons stuff began in season 4 it raised the stakes which led to a snowball effect in future seasons where the writers had to continuously introduce bigger and bigger threats into the show, leading to more and more contradictions to previously established lore.

All I’m hearing: everything after season 5 was a mistake

Supernatural for me ended when they started the whole Jack son of Lucifer thing .

The pandering to the fandom is what lost me.

Captain Obvious: Supernatural was only successful because Sam and Dean were played by hot actors.

Cas bringing Dean back, as part of the original story, had weight and consequences. It broke him, it made him finally think more about a life outside of hunting. Something he never thought of himself since he was busy being his father’s dutiful soldier. I don’t agree with the other seasons being better but to each their own.

15x19 was fucking awful. Should I make a follow-up talking about the final 7 episodes? Follow-up: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-w8tzgddoUhk.html

My wife and I were rewatching it recently. We got to season 8 and were like, "Why are we even still watching. It ends at season 5 for us. Characters stop making sense and hypocritical.

I watched the show since way back in 2005 & it should have ended with Season 5. One of the most perfect finales in TV history. God it went downhill fast after that. Don't get me wrong it had a few decent Seasons after Kripke's tenure ended with the show. But it NEVER reached the levels of the first 5 Seasons. That could be because there were ZERO stakes in later Seasons. EVERY cast member, including recurring cast members had died & came back at one point before the show limped to the finish line. *Jumping The Shark* is a thing, in Supernatural's case they jumped the shark went back & shot it then f*cked its corpse

I just binge watched all the seasons after not watching it since season 6 and I really agree with your points. My main issue through the show was the lack of character development especially with Sam and Dean. Whenever they did experience some it would disappear a few episodes later. I even found myself disliking Dean in later seasons because of the inconsistencies with his character. Most of the time he was dismissive of other people and super angry but then for random one off "funny" episodes his personality would take a 360 where he would be cracking jokes, smiling lots etc. I found this really made it hard for myself to fully me immersed into what they were feeling through the show because they were no consistency. There's also the fact that they ruined some great characters (like crowley and cas) because they didn't know what to do with them so they gave them the most random or awful storylines.

All the problems you mention are due to the fact they made it up as they went along... not a fixed ending like the wire or breaking bad where the story was pushed to a conclusion. Supernatural was milked for every penny and at some point not even all these filler episodes where they chased the beast of the week, was enough to cover up the fact that there was nothing left to be told anymore. Less truly is more ... I mean I remember when they introduced Castiel , he was a badd ass ( " I'm an angel of the lord") ... later he just got bitch slapped throughout every episode. Cool characters like Cain were barely used and dismissed/killed off very quick ...instead of weaving him into a larger plotline that actually makes sense ... heck even regular demons were formidable foes at one point. And don't get me started about these repetitive roundabout dialogues between sam and dean... luckily on these streaming platforms you can just skip that empty emo babble

My read on the luck episode was that Chuck actually heaped bad luck on them because their ineptitude made no sense.

It should’ve ended in season 11 with Chuck playing “Fare Thee Well.”

I absolutely loved and ADORED Supernatural. At one time, it was my favorite show. I really enjoyed the first 6 seasons. At the time, I was not a huge fan of S7, but look back on it w/more fondness than before though the Leviathan were not good enemies. For me, the Carver seasons 8-10 (I guess . . I quit the show sometime in S10) drove away all my love for the show. I hated the contrived, forced conflict btw the brothers. I hated that Carver made the stupid decision of not letting Sam look for Dean after S7, made up a rule btw them for that exact situation, but then endlessly had characters punishing and berating Sam for keeping their promise! It was complete and utter nonsense. Bad Boys in S9 was retconned trash! Dean was in that group home, wanting a normal life but then a few years later, he's upset w/Sam for wanting the same and not understanding why Sam wanted that!?!!? That made no sense and turned Dean into a massive hypocrite. Don't even get me started on how this most recent young Winchester episode further messed up the boys' history. Plus, every Carver season had some inexplicable, contrived drama btw the boys! It was beyond annoying. At the time, I remember thinking, they were each way too old to be hanging together if they couldn't stand each other! Just go your separate ways already! I didn't finish S10 and skipped all of S11. I heard Mary was brought back so I tuned in for S12. I came to HATE Mary. The BMOL were awful. And the rest of the seasons have been pretty much a blur. I have not been playing close attention. I often miss episodes and don't bother to try to re-watch them. So, I think the show started to decline in S8. Sera Gamble's seasons (6 and 7) were a good continuation of the story, but things began to decline in S8 and it's been a steady decline since, IMO.

Jack was one of the worst characters ever. They mad Jack the attention of the show.

what was really weird to me is that why would Dean be vessel for Michael when he was clearly Cain and Sam was Abel, it should be Dean as Lucifer and Sam as Michael...

Chuck said in season 11 “every time I created a new world she would destroy it “

some major issues i had with this show is the way they killed off dean so many fucking times it lost its emotional impact, the way they made deans character turn on cas in the last season, the fact that god was portrayed as a villian cause he would be so much better as a gray character, lucifer who was absolutely the most annoying character for me i literally could not stand him, and rowenas character being wasted

End of s5 with sam going to the cage and dean living on. was the perfect ending and after that it started going downhill. the ending of s15 sucks. Not to mention I'm christian and I hate the way they wrote how Angel's are dicks and weak and God is evil and demons can easily best Angel's and cas is weak now. I think the best and most awesome plotlines were in s4 through 5 with the apocalypse and horseman were realistic and cool. Angel's were badass and powerful and realistic at that point and everything was how it should have been

And anytime they would introduce a new character that’s actually likable, that character gets killed off...

I watched this television show when it first premiered on television in 2005, I was so invested and in love with this show until the angels/demons stuff was introduced. The show lost everything it used to have, it was actually scary, funny, heaps of drama and risk for the characters. I stopped watching after season 6 and for me the show ended at season 5. Eric Kripke never intended it to go any further and it’s sad to see how shocking of a show it became. Not any different to any other show that outstayed its welcome, the walking dead, orange is the new black, game of thrones the list goes on. Breaking bad was the perfect show due to the creators and everyone involved accepting that the show was ready to finish and it’s critically acclaimed for what we as viewers have been left with. RIP, supernatural you were my favourite.

season 13 at one point tried to give Lucifer the personality of Crowley

I really want to see a follow-up to this video now

I only ever watched the first few seasons which was all the way back in Middle School for me, I liked the monster hunting theme. Looks like it stopped being that for a long time.

Don't even get me started on the death of Mary. 1) I didn't care 2) I didn't care about the brothers drama 3) Poor Jack.

They really didn't need to make God the evil demiurge they made him into. God could've stayed in the back ground and been hands off and "good but mysterious ways" and Jack could've been a sort of savior figure that God allows to be born in order to try and redeem Lucifer and show why choice is important, why he doesn't interfere with free will, but nooooo, can't explore a benevolent yet mysterious God....

It Didn't start off as sacrilegious. But it went Beyond that there at the end. It was good when it focused on the monsters.

I started losing interest with the introduction of leviathans, just felt it was losing its touch. Their disrespect to angels, specially Cass, was really started to bug me. I personally believe Supernatural should have stopped after season 5.

Season 9 was the one that made me think it was dying. I started watching during season 2 and was AVID. Still am on the older stuff lol. Season 9 made me quit watching the show all together because of they pretty much destroyed their characterizations, personal developments, mental ability, and previously established lore. Dean was a lying sloot, sam was an oblivious goodie, and cas was dumb and oooo sooooo funny now! Mainly because the best writers on the show got pushed out. I mean I could get passed the minor fuck ups (Dean as a kid and talking about creatures he hadn't know existed until he was an adult lol), but season 9 felt like a completely different cast of characters, unlikable ones at that. Not to mention that the show introduces actual good characters and then kills them ASAP for the lowest hanging fruit of emotional abuse. Bringing Mary back was dumb but thank God Mr. "I abuse my kids but it's for a good cause and I'm a great dad, I promise!" John didn't come back. I just want all 3 of the boys to have a good ending. ALL 3 OF THEM. I honestly feel like Cas is going to perma death, cause you know, the big sad. I've literally analysed this show too much

I have rewatched this show many times, but I only watch Season 1-7. Season 8 is were I feel the quality of the show slowly goes downhill.

Dean dies on a small nail pole on the wall it was so stupid

I totally hate Billie I miss the old death these last few seasons of supernatural have been totally fan service retconned certain events that happened in the first few seasons characters that they should have brought back but didn't just a waste the last season finale of supernatural was season 10

What we were promised in a fight between Lucifer and Michael=" A hellacious , Earth shattering, knock down, drag out , spectacular battle, that would lay waste to most of the planet!!!" What we got when they finally fought=" A boring , poorly done, spat that somewhat damages part of one church."

I've always thought that it started to decline at around season 6 or 7, and that while the majority of writing from season 7 until now is unenjoyable for me it still has aspects I really like. Mostly it's just a few characters I actually like, and a few good moments with them.

For me the show died somewhere late season 9. Just something after that it just didn't even feel like the same show. Not to mention they assassinated Dean's character, forgot about Sam and well, cas stopped being useful a long time ago. Doesn't change the earlier seasons from being amazing though.

I started Supernatural around season 6. As I made it around the last season, season 12 turned me away. But being a final season, I just accepted it and moved on so I could cry during the finale

The story becomes weirder in Supernatural. Season 1 - 7 are great, but after that the stories of their enemies are so weird and predictable. They fought angels, they the beat Lucifer, and Metatron. Then they create God Sister as the next enemy, Then Michael, then God, If God has a father, he would have been their next foe!!! The Winchesters are unbeatable even against God! WtF??

I subbed yesterday, and now you came out with this. You’re a great channel.

Such a good video essay even though (and maybe especially) since it was made before the finale. They really dug themselves into so many holes with the lack of consequences and lowering the stakes on a lot of big lore/worldbuilding aspects. Like you said: God killing Jack could be undone, God killing Billie only meant another Reaper would be made Death, etc. "Really cool concept that opens up a lot of questions" is the best summary of it. I also totally agree Season 11 would've been a great ending point. While there's a lot about S11 I don't like, I LOVE the ending of it. "Don't Call Me Shurley" is one of my favorite episodes and was such a good way to introduce/reintroduce God into the story. And the fact that it ended with God & Amara talking and making amends and not just killing the big bad...that was HUGE. Every season seems so focused on killing or shooting the problem, but it would have been so much more satisfying (and creative) for it to it ending peacefully and with no bloodshed. That's hard to do right and they would've been able to pull it off. Dean's goodbyes before going to his almost-death in the S11 finale was so much more emotional than his actual goodbye in the series finale.

First of all, your music choices for this video were excellent, 10/10. 😂👌 Second of all, I love your analysis and your “this is a stupid show but I love it??” is very relatable. And third of all, PLEASE MAKE MORE SUPERNATURAL ANALYSIS VIDEOS! But I mean, only if you want to. 🥺

Seasons 1 through 5 are still top quality despite it's issues and are why I'm still fine with having the dorkiest supernatural anti possession tattoo on me, since I'll always love those seasons. Season 6 was rough, I was barley engaged but pushed through hoping it was just a mid season due to having to follow such a strong act. But 3 episodes into season 7 and I gave up and never picked it back up. So it's interesting to hear it from the point of view from a fan who stuck with it to the end.

totally agree that the show should’ve ended after season 11. 12-15, besides some of 13, has been an absolute train wreck. the stories aren’t necessarily horrible, but the writers clearly don’t care anymore

Been watching supernatural every week since season 6. I noticed it was slowly losing quality. But only after the last episode, when I decided to rewatch the entire show, I noticed when it went truly downhill. Seasons 1 - 5: That's the golden age. SHould've ended here. Seasons 6 - 11: It's definitely worse them the first 5, but only after rewatching it after season 15, I was able to notice how GOOD it was compared to the last seasons (except the ending to season 11). I'm serious, rewatch season 11 and then go to season 12. You will immediately notice how different the script and pacing are. It went from ok to dumb. Season 12 - 15: Season 12 introduces Andrew Dabb as showrunner, and this guy SUCKS. Also, Eugenie Ross-Leming & Brad Buckner, who always wrote some bad episodes, became executive producers in season 12. I came to appreciate seasons 8 - 11 after rewatching everything and being able to immediately compare the seasons. It's just sad what they did

I just realized how many times a deus ex machina was used for plotting. Deus ex machina are cheap ways of getting a character out of an unsolvable plotline. Of course, Dean had plot armor as well.

The series finale could have come right at the end of Season 5 and you wouldn't even notice Seasons 6-15 ever existed.

One of the worst things was first, tricking death. An unimaginable old being. It doesn't even get tricked, it's just he get attacked with his own scythe and dies. So death isn't one of the most powerful, if not the most powerful being in the universe, but his old scythe is? It's like saying God is only strong because he has some magical item and if you take it, you could become god or while he still is god, you could kill him with this item. Thats the dumbest thing in the whole series. These incompetent dumb ass writers should have been sentences to life for that.

All seasons after 5 are bad. The characters other than dean become a back seat. Sam became a complete bitch and keep getting caught and being a Dansel in distress character. They seem to forget about Sam going to hell and being Lucifer, yet Dean gets the mark of Kane and it’s a bigger deal. I honestly think Sam should have been the one with the mark of Kane instead of Dean. Sam was the demon side of the Winchester family and Dean was the angle side of the family. Let’s just say I’ve bought every season within the first month of its release. I have yet to buy 15 and really have no desire to buy it. I only have watched seasons 6-14 once where I can watch seasons 1-5 over 15 times. This show is a prime example of fans wanting more is always not a good thing. They should have ended it after season 5 or at least take 4 years to write a more compelling story rather than make shit up on the go.

I agree, stopping at season 5 would’ve made this series amazing! I started watching when season 2 was on tv and I unfortunately had to watch the quality decrease since season 6 on.

A bit late with this comment since this came out nearly 2 years ago but I've recently gotten back into supernatural and I have some things to say after it's ending. Firstly, I agree with every point made in this video especially regarding the consequences. Despite it's constant use I never found it unbearable, probably because I actually enjoyed/didn't mind seasons 4 -11, however seasons 12-15 took it to an extreme to a point in which by the finale season I was just annoyed. "Oh no Jack lost his grace!" He got it back. "Jack's dead?!" He's alive again. "Dean's possessed by Michael?!" Everything is fine and we're barely into the season. It got exhausting and I could barely take it seriously anymore. Season 15 as a whole felt like an entire Fuck You to everyone who actually gave a shit about the show and did take it seriously. I don't like season 12 but Crowley's death hurt like a bitch because of the fact he didn't come back, Castiel's death hurt a lot too but bringing him back so early felt a bit off to me, or the fact they brought him back at all. Don't get me wrong, I would've hated to see him gone but it would have actually had an impact on the audience and especially characters like Dean and Sam. Expanding on this, I actually didn't mind season 13 as a whole, we got Cas back, I enjoyed how innocent and Cas-like Jack was and the first few episodes where we watched Dean grieve hit like a ton bricks. Saying this, the reunion between the brothers and Castiel was very underwhelming to me especially since Dean had been an absolute wreck partially because of his death. But from then on, every reunion or emotional moment seemed stagnant to me and so far from the heartbreaking performances we used to get not even a few seasons prior. Cas returns to the bunker with the brothers, meets his child who he hasn't even seen before because he was dead, hugs him and then they go on a normal hunting trip. OK??? Lastly, I just wanna talk about Castiel and the shows constant disrespect towards him as a character (something I would have loved to hear your take on however this did come out before the ending so who cares) I only started watching supernatural in December of 2015, I vividly remember binging it all through new years with my family and it became a thing for me and my dad to watch. However, the reason I started watching it was because of Castiel specifically thanks to my friend talking about him a lot and me going on to watch clips of him on RU-vid. Obviously he ended up being my favorite (which remains true to this day.) So you can understand my disappointment of the way the show treated him towards it's ending. Yes I'm talking about 15x18. To say the confession scene surprised people is an understatement, I had stopped watching the show mid season 15 because of how unwatchable it got but as soon as I heard about THAT scene I had to watch it. And it was bad. Don't get me wrong, Misha's performance was great and you can tell now that he was putting everything into this finale goodbye to Dean and to the audience, but the implications of it and the episodes after it were downright disrespectful. What I mean by implications is that, whether you're a destiel shipper or not, to have a 'male' character confess their love to another male character and then have him immediately die is comical, not only this but I couldn't help but feel the writers did this in order to try and finally silence fans who they've been making fun of behind the scenes for years, so they could have their cake and eat it too. Honestly, despite how hilarious the situation was (and still is to me) I wouldn't have cared...I would have been ok with it despite everything as long as they acknowledged it in the next episode and we got to see the characters deal with the loss of somebody close to them. EXCEPT THAT BARELY HAPPENED There's barely any mention of Cas, barely any reaction from his close family and I guess you could say it's because they were still dealing with God and everyone disappearing, but after that's sorted he is still barely mentioned!! Deans reaction to Castiels death in the season 12 finale is leagues above season 15, and this time Cas doesn't even come back!!! This might just sound like an angry destiel shipper getting pissed off I didn't get the end I specifically wanted but that's just not true, I just wanted Castiel to finally be treated with respect by the writers after constantly being dealt a bad hand, hell they didn't even give cas/misha a public send off after his death just to keep fans waiting to see if he would return in the last episodes. I'm not even gonna go into the abysmal finale, probably because I haven't seen all of it but I just wanna briefly mention how utter garbage I think Sam and Dean's endings were. This could just be a nitpick but having a characters true ending, a character who has been hinted as suicidal more than once, be dying on a rusty nail baffles me. Not only that but Dean died the exact same way he would have if the events of the series had never happened, on a hunt. Sam died of old age after living a normal life, the same way he would off if he had never left college to go look for his dad with Dean. It's as thought all those years of character development were for nothing. I'm far from the only one who hates their endings, even Jensen has made it clear he doesn't like it but I still find it incredibly sad even a year later. Anyway that's my rant over. All in all I still look at this show fondly but also with vague distaste after it's heartless finale

I have a personal connection to this situation: I am a screenwriter/storyboard artist and in 2010 I lived in LA. I sent SUPERNATURAL show-runner Eric Kripke a Dean&Sam storyboard sequence I wrote & rendered. Mr. Kripke called me and we talked for 3 hours. He loved my work (and offered me work on his next series that failed) but explained he was retiring after the 5th season. When I asked about his 5-year plan, he explained that the crew had become his friends over the 7 years it took to get the 5 seasons in the can. CW wanted a flagship show, so they made him and offer he couldn't refuse- EVERYONE made out like bandits, and all Kripke had to do was make sure the show didn't go off the rails. (It did- but it took a decade.) Understand that a Grip that made $60K/year (not much in LA) made $120K/year EXTRA in profit participation & residuals- that is how lucrative the deal was for everyone. Because Kripke did not want to leave them all unemployed, so they got rich when he was done with it, because they all took over and did a decent job as stewards. My point is also: if GAME OF THRONES show-runners, the idiots D&D had done the same thing, it would still be airing new episodes today, everyone would be unbelievably rich, and D&D would not be the laughingstock of Hollywood, and their STAR WARS trilogy of movies would have been made.

As someone who has binged the first five seasons in two months, I’m VERY apprehensive about continuing, as I adored the first five seasons. It made me fall in love with watching TV again and it’s a show that is right up my street as I’m a big horror fan. But I don’t know if I want to continue or not as I’m worried it’ll kill my love for the show.

Later Supernatural seasons were the first example of "writers complying to annoying fandoms full of fanfic losers". The whole production team decided to milk the show according to dumb fans' fantasies. Supernatural got cheesy and politically correct...it just lost its rough/gothic allure. Even the cinematography/costume design went downhill. I loved how literally DARK the first seasons looked.

pretty sure they wanted to add that blood omen flare to supernatural later but if they did a little bit more research on the lore and what it was inspired from like elric of melnibone and corum they would've been able to execute it

Sam and Dean have probably killed more innocent people than the monsters they hunt (all the demons they killed with the demon blade also killing the innocent person the demon possessed) What I love the most is how they introduce these cosmic beings in Archangles and instead of having great magical power fights its like Michael vs Lucifer comes down to a knife fight.

The show was over after season 5. Whoever took over for kripke was a baffoon

When Lucifer was making his rounds and Sam put him back in the cage everything seemed OK like it was going to get back on track. It never did.

I absolutely love this show, though gotta say I think your right. While the seasons after 5 are definitely entertaining. There are plenty that leave me scratching my head wondering if the writers even know what they are doing anymore? Like my least favorite season was 9, Dean found out the trials would kill Sam so he convinced Sam to stop and the season ended. I was like "Eh! What? This is what they've been building too all season and the end is them literally going: K let's not do that." Drove me crazy such a pointless ending. Thankfully season 10 got things back on track. Yeah they probably should have wrapped up after 11. Though kinda glad they didn't as some of my favorite episodes came from seasons 12-15. Heh crazy show, still love it though. Great video dude. 👍

I'm so glad that you don't hate season 7. Because it's one of my favs lol

I literally commented about this 9 days ago, but I'm changing my mind, I just binge watched through all 3 end seasons of the show 13-15, and honestly wow. What a difference it has made, going back and watching the show a year or so after seeing the ending, first time around I hated it, worst ending to an even worse show in the end, it had become what I thought at the time a joke, something to laugh at and to become mind numbingly bored and frustrated with, but after going back and rewatching it with fresh eyes, the ending was honestly really good, the last three seasons had pretty much nothing wrong with them beyond minor annoyances, the detective work wasn't as lack luster as I thought in the end, they still showed the gore and overall it had the same DNA the show had back when it started, it didn't stagnate our ability to watch and enjoy it did, years of obsessing with the show for myself had ruined it, so it wouldn't matter what ending it had because I wouldn't enjoy it after binging it non stop for so long, in the end the show didn't get the fan appeal it deserved, I think it ended on a nice high note, they got everything they wanted, no more demons or monsters to fight, no more big bad, just Sam Dean, their mum and dad and Bobby and all of their other friends in heaven together for eternity, an eternal rest that they deserve after what, 8 in universe years of non stop battling and fighting and scraping by, this show was amazing, and the ending wasn't that bad at all, we all just got tired of the slight annoyances that built up season to season and cumulated into one big annoyance with the show.

imo it started going downhill after like season 3-4 castiel was one of my favorite characters but it all went downhill starting with his introduction

My theory is that Chuck realized he could warp reality by just writing the story and just wrote himself to be God just to see if it would work. Like "Chuck Shurley becomes a Omnipotent God but still keeps his Mind and Personality" and that's why God can have a sister and why it started turning fan fictiony at the end he ran out of ideas and began skimming off the Forums. I imagine Jack becoming God was just so that the Winchesters would stop bothering him

Reason number one: Never rely on fridgin' to keep your series going.

Lucifer was looking like the enemy of my enemy character unfortunately he has to always be the bad guy

Dean was always supposed to come back from hell that was the first seal and kicked off the plot for both s4 and s5 it is a giant plot point that was planned in advance. But that's the only one that doesn't fit into the no consequences argument 😁

Cool video brings a good perspective. I am rewatching the show now and I admit alot of what you said is the case it does have writing and retcon and lack of stake issues but overall it still entertaining to watch despite this issues . In regards to Sam and Dean nit letting innocent people die yet in later seasons kill innocent people that hot possessed by demons. Mary dies permanently the 2nd time

I'm surprised that so few reviewers ever talk about what happened to the Sam and Dean's character towards the end of the show, which is what made the last few seasons a chore for me to watch. Contrivances and nonsense can be fine if the rest is entertaining, but with these characters? Sam leading an army of hunters as some sort of background event? Dean and his strange vendetta against a newborn child? Hell, if his whole fallout with Castiel was to make any sense, it should have been about him pulling a gun and intending to murder Jack, but both Cas and Sam seem to turn a blind eye to all of that for some reason? Cas flipflopping between acting like some sort of father figure to Jack and complaining when he has to "babysit". And don't get me started on the brothers manipulating people to get what they want and murdering vamps and werewolves indiscriminately these days. Nonsense is par for the course in Supernatural, but not liking the characters I used to love is what tips the scales for me.

You pointed this out and I think it's really important, the writers were making this up as the season and then seasons progressed after season five finale. The problem with inventing scenarios or situations for the characters to encounter is that unless the writer has a clear plan set forth, they will end up contradicting themselves; which is fine when you're the writer because once you're finished with a certain part of the world that you're creating, you want to move onto creating the next part, not re immerse yourself in the part that's already created and done. The problem for writers is that any fan of their work wants to re immerse themselves in those parts and those fans find the contradictions. Which is why I said the writer/writers need to have a clear plan set forth, not just for the show, but also each character, even minor ones. I don't know why the writers or whoever controlling the show didn't have a plan or at the very least an idea for the next five seasons after season five, but I'm willing to bet if they would've just sat down and put it on paper some sort of guidelines to follow I think the show would have been more consistent. Far better than them just winging it.

Finally got through to Season 10 and every season since 5 has jut felt like a chore to get through. I think the show just never settled on what it should be - personally I find the angel stuff so so boring and groan every time they come on the screen. The writers have no idea what to do with Castiel who just appears and disappears and changes personality on a whim. The show for me was much better when they actually hunted monsters and not with the angel stuff.

My other problem is the contradiction between the four appearances of God. I simply cannot see Chuck in Seasons 4, 5, 10 and 11 doing anything like he did in 14 and 15. It's like the real God disappeared with Amara at the end of season 11 and a false one showed up in his place. Though heaven before Jack fixed it was total crap and that was Chuck's design but still....it might have been a better story if the Chuck of seasons 14 and 15 HAD been an imposter....somehow I think they had too many different writers on this series and thus no real continuity

a feature length film Director ( not to toot the ol’ horn, but) Here’s what I would do to fix all this… Take things back to the basics and work with the strengths of the show. I would make a feature length film that took place after the events of Season 5 as an epilogue. Seasons 1-5 have a specific time that defined the show. It was scary, it was dark , it was heartwarming and it had STEAKS. There would be no “ End of the world or grand scale scenario”… You can’t outdo the final steaks of season 5, so you tell a personal story. The movie would address a 20 year time gap of Dean living his life with his new family and legitimately being happy, but is repressing his inner darkness regarding Sam’s fate in Hell, meanwhile Sam being trapped in the spirit realm on earth with other nasty ghosts. He was pulled from Hell due to his heroic sacrifice. Both Sam and Dean can’t move on u til they accept their Fates.

I stopped watching after the Hitler episode on S12 and Mary's return. I remember that I struggled through everything after S5 (except S7 bc that was a fun season), but bringing her back was like a punch in the face and showed that everything that had happened up to this point was for naught. Her death was the whole reason the show was even happening. And now she was back and... I dunno, I can't. Still can't wrap my head around why they thought this was a good idea. I mean, even in the earlier seasons I wasn't too happy about her concept of being a hunter, too, bc I thought that was unnecessary and should've been John's thing. You know, a normal dude, hellbent on taking down the demon who killed his beloved wife by battening onto the hunter life, chasing the supernatural. But I disagree with the "lack of consequences" in the main seasons (1-5). The difference is that all of the events were building up on each other and actually had a purpose. Resurrecting Sam and Dean in S2 and S4 drove the plot forward and them much deeper into the shit, and it needs to be done this way since the ending was clear for a long time, according to Kripke. But to return to the later seasons... I think what really drove me out was the lack of consistency with established lore, storylines and characters. Many things felt out of character and that nobody on the show cared anymore about what was already established in the past. The stakes were also so baffling to me. Like, what could be worse than the fucking Apocalypse?? OH YEAH - gods sister -_- I also do believe that Castiel overstayed his welcome. People can fight me on this. But he was morphed from a badass angel to a carricature, just as Luci. There were a few things I found myself enjoying, just like you did - the Mark Of Cain, the Leviathans, Angel Fall and so on, but... I just pretend that the majority of it doesn't belong to the actual series. I only watched single episodes, like the ones from Gabriel when he returned (and regretted it bc the whole vibe of the show felt off), but the fanservice was unbearable. I am so certain they only made Chuck god bc of the fan theories. And it was a horrible decision. Okay, 'nuff with the ranting now... ugh. SPN is still my favorite show. I am on a big re-watch now and it's amazing how well the older stuff still holds up in terms of quality. **sighs**

As far as I'm concerned, the series ends with Season 10, episode 3. The cliffhanger from season 9 is resolved, all ongoing plot threads are merely 'concerns' rather than crises (so we can easily imagine that they can be resolved now that the characters have time to breathe and think), and the afterlives have reached a new reasonably stable status quo for the first time since the season 5 apocalypse.

1-5 were the Gold Standard for this show. After that it went downhill quick fast and in a hurry, driven by increasingly obnoxious, poorly written, lazy villains and even worse side characters.

Honestly they should've never introduced archangels and God and entities of such sort unless they had a Marvel budget or something like that. Such entities are supposed to be light-speed, have the power to lift planets with their hands, be durable to everything and so on, unless they had Marvel budget to create those super-powers into scenes it shouldn't have been introduced in Supernatural. The idea of an Archangel being as fast as human is a joke, they should've had like 6-7 seasons max and the bosses of each season or of the final ones should've been some creators of evil like Azazel was. For example if they didn't introduce Misha and all this angel and demon bullshit the finale of the show at season 5 could've been some final boss that creates all the monsters that were on earth at that point and defeating him would've meant no more ghosts, no more wendigoos, werewolf's and so on, the ending could've been the same (Dean dying like a warrior and Sam living a happy life) but it would've been more realistic, but no, instead they made an Archangel have the speed of a human, what a joke.

Supernatural after season 4 - "Consequences will never be the same again!"

So now that the show is over what do you think now.

Supernatural experienced the fate of every long-running horror franchise where it stops being horror and becomes an action series with no real resolution and relying on "the lore" to keep everyone around.

I stopped watching in season 7,things were so convoluted at that point that i simply didn't cared anymore. Season 1-5 is the quintessential and definitive Supernatural,what came after doesn't exist to me.

It should have ended after they beat Lucifer the 1st time. Season 11 would have been a fine end as well.

i finally got round to finally finishing the whole series since not watching it. Since the ending of season12. so i agree with it.

to be honest, i totally love season 8. Season 6,7,9, beginning of 10 were okay, but now i am in the middle of season ten and something begins to lack here. I'm personally happy about god having a sister, because finally a supernatural character with an uterus that isn't just Sam's dead girlfriend, but season 15 really is just an abomination (and i have only watched the highlights on youtube yet)