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Definitely a high point in ESO. I've always loved the Tribunal (yes, even Almalexia) and I've waited eighteen years to meet the third and most mysterious member. When I found myself standing beside a living Sotha Sil in that beautiful garden of his memories, I wept actual salt tears. From everything we've heard about Sil, I thought perhaps he might be so cold and detached that you would feel no connection to him; that he would be entirely absorbed by his own work to the point of not caring about man or mer. Instead we learn that the entire Clockwork City, everything he's ever done, has been for the benefit and safety of the whole of Tamriel. He's also kind, courteous and gentle. I could have talked to him for hours
I also felt this way. It was such a conflicting feeling, knowing his fate. It made me loathe Almalexia so much more than I had initially, to be honest.
Saying "Almalexia is such a good storyteller even she can't tell where her fiction begins and reality ends" is a very poetic way of saying "Almalexia is crazy as a bunch of cliff-racers, yo."
It was unfortunate that Almalexia went mad tbh, her role was the one that most closely supported the Dunmer (and their religion). I think it can be said that Almalexia's downfall was Dagoth Ur's true victory.
Woah Sotha Sil really needed this. It gave him the personality Almalexia stole from us when she killed him in Morrowind, before this we only knew of his feats, the deals with the daedra, how he taught the psijic monks and so on. But to hear it from his mouth, his perspective just gave another level of depth to the lore of morrowind and the elder scrolls in consequence.
Also goes to show why he was so silent, and did nothing to stop Almalexia but, smiled at death as she murdered him in TES3: Morrowind. Perhaps, dying, is seeing through the cell and outside of the bars. Perhaps he achieved his second insight in that moment. #UntoldHorrors
It's interesting to find out that they are bound by "portfolios" to use a DnD term, I don't think we know this back in Morrowind, at least not spelled out loud. I wonder who or what bound them and how their particular "spheres" of influence are determined, by their characters? personalities?
dodo extinct Vivec was able to understand his mistakes, and was able to learn from them, and seems to regret his past. He is the deepest of the tribunal members in the way he represents the duality of their existence. Like how he is benevolent in stoping a big fucking meteor from destroying his city and saving all the people, but also the opposite. Like how he keeps it there to crash if faith in him disappears. He is a great character and how dare you speak in such a way about lord Vivec.
If you go in depth with the lore, Sotha Sil managed to do more than Vivec and Almalexia even after he died. Not only did he create the Clockwork City, but he also recreated the Heart of Lorkhan--he was working on it when Almalexia entered his realm. In the DLC's main quest, one of the Factotum's mentions that there were defenses against Almalexia. Sotha Sil never expected them to stop her, they were meant to slow her down so that he could finish the heart--and, even while she killed him, he spent his last few moments ensuring that his city and its people will remain. It's tragic, really. If Almalexia didn't go mad, if she had just waited a little longer, she would have had the means to reclaim her divinity right beneath her city.
"He spoke not a word as he died. Not a whisper. Even in death, he mocked me with his silence" This really does put some perspective on why she thought he was laughing at her. Because who wouldnt, knowing that
Thing is he seems really mournful, as though he regrets a lot of what he's done (i.e. the death of Nerevar). If you look at the plaque to Nerevar it's as though his death saddens Sil deeply. That, and you can find an antiquity in the Greymoor DLC of an urn, filled with preserved flowers with a note reading "Forgive Me" (Presumably written by Sil).
@@feaweninglorin6035 Not really, it seems that it was Sotha Sil himself that convinced them to use the tools. Hence why he changed and therefore, feels guilty more than the rest of Almsivi
It is a very different person compared to the Sotha Sil who told Azura that the time of the Daedric Princes has passed and that the Tribunal were the new gods who will protect their people. Perhaps the centuries of godhood has opened his eyes to what Azura meant by saying that the lives of gods are not what mortals think.
Sotha thinks himself unworthy to be a god in Nirn because we didn't took part on its creation... So he created a realm for himself and became a true god.
@@BroadwayRonMexico Daedric Princes could be considered their planes made manifest. Every stone, every blade of grass, every cliff face, every river in the Hunting Grounds, *is* Hircine for example.
I really like the way he talks about reality. He's so close tor realising that his entire existence is fictional, but not yet. He sees the inconsistencies, the "unsteady walls", but he can't go any further. This man truly deserves to be a god.
Nessie Andrew he more of a god then any others he only one who can see something not right and was so close to being freed but died in the end he truly is god of knowledge
Not necessarily he realizes that he is fictional, he just realized the deterministic nature of the world. It was very popular among scientists not too long ago, that laws of physics and the conditions at the starting point of universe, determined everything that happens next, so humans actually don't have any free will and can't make any single choice different than they make. They only have an impression of free will but in fact they are not free to do or decide even the smallest thing.
In all of elder scrolls, by far. Second probably to the conversation with Dagoth Ur. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't be surprised if it were the same exact writer for both sequences.
@@w415800 The ESO Dominion isn't the Skyrim Dominion. It's got its shitty aspects but by and large they're no worse than any other faction (yes, there's that guy in Shadowfen, but I'm pretty sure they didn't _know_ they were sending a Veiled mad scientist on that mission :P). You do get to meet some high elves who are more in line with the Skyrim incarnation of the Thalmor...as a terrorist group you need to hunt down for the Dominion.
No, it was absolutely not. The dwemer chased divinity because they saw themselves equal to the gods, while he acquired divinity out of love for his people. They were also an extremely technocratic society which is also very much the opposite to Sotha sil's motives. He literally sacrificed himself to help his people in the end. The only similar thing between him and the dwemer is the use of technology and the aesthetic
Sotha Sil's voice, along with the Clockwork City's beautiful and depressing music, with this dialogue is just. I sat there almost crying just listening to the dialogue.
Holy shit, I feel so robbed I never got to meet this guy in morrowind, here I was expecting a reclusive, eccentric genius, yet sotha sil is easily the most ground and genuine of the tribunal.
@@hoonteri1760 I don't think he's truly gone. He either uploaded himself to the stars, or to the City itself, or he went to the Divine realm after his "death". Regardless, his consciousness is alive somewhere.
I see Vivec as LSD. He imagines new realities and then CHIMs them into existence. Though he is kinda obsessed with Love, so I can see Ecstasy there too.
Wulfhart Ice-Bear I much prefer Vivec. For how ‘cool’ he might seem he is really a cold man, to him his work is the most important thing, he doesn’t care too much about his people, or about anything other than his clockwork. Hell he doesn’t even care about saving Luciana unless you beg him to.
Lawful Trek Sotha Sil cares far more about the Dunmer than Vivec. He bares the ashen skin fully and worked his whole divine existence to keep the Aurbis stable.
Luke Price If we count the ESO lore maybe? He didn’t in Morrowind, in fact he did to begin with but then he became obsessed with his clockwork city which in the original lore, no one was allowed into. Sotha Sil was honestly self absorbed
@@kesshikou Vivec literally holds people hostage with a rock in the sky that he didn't get rid of, and eventually destroys vvardefell because of it, atleast sotha provided a realm that saves lives
Sotha Sil: "Yes. A poet's despair. Vivec craves radical freedom---the death of all limits and restrictions. He wishes to be all things at all times. Every race, every gender, every hero, both divine and finite---but in the end, he can only be Vivec." Favorite part of the conversation. In other words, Vivec essentially desires to be a 'Player' over a 'Non-Player', because for all the power he has within the universe, he can only be himself, only be one person. More importantly however, he REALIZES this, unlike 99.9% of everyone else in the ES verse. To them, it is real, it is reality, but for Vivec, he can only ever live the story and life he has been written/coded to have. Even far into his future he might meet the Nerevarine, but in the end his story WILL end, no matter what, it is his fate and cannot be escaped. The Nerevarine too is bound by a prophecy, but being a 'Player' said Nerevarine is not truly bound, but also is still. Even if you play the games with mods, unless you completely convert it to something else in the end you'll only BE the Nerevarine. Take Skyrim, again unless you convert it to something else entirely, if you want the end of the game, you have to go beat Alduin, you MUST beat him or else the game simply will not end. Sure you might go about it by....fighting dragons shaped like Thomas the Tank Engine, marrying your anime waifu, throwing out Shouts that sound like fart noises, and so on, but in the end Alduin, the story you have, still ends the same way. But Vivec? He doesn't even have that much choice. He can only in the end live the life he was made to have, and there's nothing he can do about it short of achieving CHIM.
Agreed, but it's worthy of note that Sotha is as devoted to transcendence as Vivec is, and on a much wider scale. Vivec issues guides on CHIM, and on removing the self from the influence of the Wheel. By being himself in defiance of everything, Vivec gains power over that everything, and seeks to guide others (especially that one other) through his Lessons. Sotha, meanwhile, wants to create Everything 2.0. He wants to perfect the flaws in Mundus and through 'giving birth to Memory'; the pattern of Tamriel Final. He wants existence to transcend itself.
Yeah. Sotha Sil puts together everything needed to understand and perfect Nirn, but is unable to take things further. Aware of his future failings he births/rebirths Memory so she can be the pattern for Tamriel Final. Kirkbride has a pretty awesome artpiece of the Tribunal that includes pregnant Sotha. michaelkirkbride.tumblr.com/image/85251665173
Sotha Sil seems so close to Amaranth - by far the closest of the Tribunal gods - and yet he can't attain it. He's stuck in CHIM and whereas the other two gods are drunk on their power Sotha Sil is not only selfless and compassionate but wishes simply to understand the mysteries of the Aurbis. *God-tier (pun intended) character writing.*
Sotha Sil is the farthest of the 3 from Amaranth he can't even believe in his owns truths. If you want a whole world out of you, you will need to atleast believe the shit you say, instead of blaming it on "fate" and the "rails of reality". I love Sotha Sil, but he lacks agency. Also he is not wrong, he doesn't have agency and his life is indeed dictated by rails, but that is not gonna change if he keeps beliving in that truth!
The second insight of being "The Prisoner": "To gaze through the bars and perceive that which exists beyond causality. Beyond time". I think what Sotha Sil meant by this is the ability to comprehend what is beyond the universe of the elder scrolls. The Elder Scrolls universe exists inside a video game and the only character who is aware of that is you, the player. When you play this game you are a prisoner inside it because you are aware of what is outside. Sotha Sil is aware of the reality of his imprisonment which is the first insight but he can't perceive our universe that is beyond the world of the Elder Scrolls games as he puts it:" I see only unsteady walls".
There is also the fact that every main series Elder Scrolls game after Daggerfall has the main character start their journey as a very literal prisoner.
He also says that Vivec knows he's in a video and just like us, wants to play different characters from various classes and races, but he can only be an NPC.
This dialogue is so well-written I almost think they brought Kirkbride back. Also, Sotha Sil all but admits that he knows what CHIM is and knows that Vivec has some understanding of it. Absolutely beautiful.
To me, Elder Scrolls has always been Bethesda's favoured child, atleast compared to Fallout, they seem to put much more effort into it than Fallout and other series.
Sotha Sil, probabliy was the most remourseful about his part in the betrayal of the Nerevar by the tribunal. Probably why he locks himself way and tries to avoid people, keeping himself busy with dwemer technology, artifacts to pass the time for the end he sees coming. Only ocasionally taking action to stop the world from being destroyed. Even at the start where he asks if you like the Brass Fortress he repaired and made and talks about it with pride and happiness in his voice, he reveals that he "thought about destroying it on more than one occasion", probably since he felt that he didnt deserve to feel such feelings because of his betrayal, as he says "unfortunately, its an endevor built apon a latice of corpses. Betrayal. Untold horrors" and tells us he hope you never understand. Its why he sounds so melancholic all the time. He does not actively use his power to gain worshipers. He flatly tells us he doesnt call himself a god, afterall he as he says "I am whatever the people want me to be", because that is the best he can do to atone in a way for his actions. He also considers himslef less than a prisoner in two senses; one as a Prisoner has hope he would be freed one day (he doesnt want that forhimself), and two because the prisoner is you, aka the player, and hes a program in a game lol
Seems like he's the only one of the three that feels remorse about what they did to Nerevar. Vivec and Almalexia are too high on power and godhood to care, and their desire for it led them to betray and murder their friend in cold blood. They all deserved their ultimate fate, and you could also say that the downfall of the Dunmer was their doing - repayment for all the evils they committed.
I wonder if younger players understand how mythical and mysterious these characters felt back in TES3? It's almost a privilege being able to see them in person and even have all these dialogues. Meeting Vivec for the first time in Morrowind at the very end of main storyline and exchanging few lines of lore with him was majestic. Like witnessing something legendary. And Sotha Sil was the most mysterious of them all since players never actually had the chance of meeting him...
I love that Sotha says that he craves for the mortal uncertainty when you say "maybe..." towards him. However, in the end, he himself says "you may be the one that saves us" interesting little tid bit i think. Sotha, however powerful and wise, is forever mortal at his core
I don’t think there was any uncertainty in that statement. Perhaps he already knew of the outcome of our actions. But wanted us, as mortals, to maintain our quality of uncertainty and doubt. Therefore, he dissimulated his true knowledge as to not defy his canon. But yes, perhaps he does have a dose of doubt within himself. Ironically.
@@kaiderr6311 Thinking more about it, i guess it has more to do with the fact that we are the Prisoner rather than Sotha still having some mortal elements in him - which i think he does but still. The thing about being the Prisoner is that we have a destiny but we can "make reality a metaphor" which liberates us from fulfilling our journey. In that sense , i believe Sotha can't know about our actions because possible heroes of prophecy often don't complete them - Nerevar reincarnate many times throughout the eras just to deviate from his destiny until the Nerevarine finally came about. So, i think his final words are truly genuine in the sense we can persue our journey but, in the end, we aren't obligated which makes knowing about our future kinda complicated - the Prisoner ends up being an in-game explanation for the player character.
I am rather critical of the writing in ESO on the whole, but this conversation with Sotha Sil has stuck with me for years. He is a very interesting character and really well realised by the script and actor. Every word sounds laced with a mournful regret. It's like he's got 4D depression or something, unable to experience the world in the way he used to due to his godlike powers and vast intellect. That bit he says about envying the ability to doubt makes me think that nothing can surprise him in a good or bad way. A lot of shock and elation comes from doubt that the thing will happen and the resulting emotion, good or bad, is rooted in a kind of surprise when it does happen. Sotha Sil's mechanical ability to analyse could deprive him of that. Maybe he continues his work to safeguard Nirn, not because he personally feels strongly about it and believes in it, but because he thinks his pre-divine incarnation would. His general attitude of seeming regret also makes me want to say that the Tribunal actually did kill Nerevar and that Sotha Sil lives with the weight of that also. That's my two cents anyway. I feel a lot of ESO characters fall short of the mark because they lack an emotional hook to get you invested in the character. The vast majority for me are kind of 'that guy' or 'that gal'. I'm not saying they all have to be chin-strokingly complex on the same level as Sotha Sil, but just have a little more substance than bubbly and happy, shifty, sarcastic and or edgy.
Everything he says is a poem. Vivec might fancy himself a poet but Sotha Sil is the true intellectual. ESO did such a great job on Sotha Sil that whenever i am tired of my responsibilities. I come here and watch him. He fulfills his duties so efficiently and humbly. "I am only what time and circumstance made me, son of a lost house, friend to a fallen king". ESO really killed it with this one. So many people are accomplished because they wanted to be special and were born or put in bad circumstances resulting them to work inhumanely hard. It is so well put into words. I feel poet's jealousy. That i did not write these beautiful lines myself. When he describes himself further, he really defines an optimum ruler. That he is kind and cruel both according to needs of people. His people can dream on his expense and blame him for their miseries. He is a vessel, a role-model or an anti-rolemodel. A mirror- nothing more. When people look at him they will see what they themselves are. A good king will see a just god, a bad king will se his cruelty. A murderer will see the that he killed nerevar and so on. Even, i see only things that i am in him. A mirror indeed.
Has he though ? I believe that when he made the discovery of the profane tools of Kagrenac and their ability to draw divinity from the Heart of Lorkhan and announced it to the other two, Almalexia became mad with greed at the prospect of godhood, and it was only she that murdered Nerevar while he was lying wounded, feverish and in a comatose state, hours or days after the battle. The Ashlander records suggest that the Tribunal used poisoned candles, poisoned cloaks and poisoned daggers in the murder. Poison is primarily a woman's choice of assassination, thus making Almalexia the prime suspect. Plus, she is revealed to be prone to madness anyway. Vivec and Sotha Sil merely embraced the opportunity presented to them afterwards. And, although Azura calls Vivec a murderer in ESO Morrowind's main quest line, he himself denies the murder if asked in The Elder Scrolls III: Morrowind. And why would a god lie? On the other hand, in ESO Morrowind Sil calls himself a "friend to a fallen king". Thus, he still considers Nerevar his friend, so he can't have murdered him.
The 36 Lessons of Vivec has two hidden messages. The first is by reading the first letter in each paragraph of the 36th lesson, which reads FOUL MURDER. The second is by finding the words that correspond to the numbers given in the 29th lesson, which reads 'He was not born a god. His destiny did not lead him to this crime. He chose this path of his own free will. He stole the godhood and murdered the Hortator. Vivec wrote this.' So it's pretty clear to me that Vivec was behind the killing. As for why he'd lie? Vivec is the warrior poet. Half of his identity is his ability to manipulate truth and create stories. If you read the 36 Lessons (which were written by him), there are bits that directly contradict not only Tribunal doctrine but also what he'll tell you himself. Vivec lies as easily as he breathes. So given that Ayem and Vehk were almost certainly in on the plot, it doesn't seem that much of a stretch to say Seht was too. At the very least Seht was complicit in the plot; as the most skilled mystic between them he'd be the one to realise the true power of the heart. I doubt Vehk or Ayem could have used the heart without his help. I do believe him when he says he was a 'friend' to Nerevar. There's plenty of evidence that they all, in their own way, truly cared for him. But when it came to a choice between their friend/husband/whatever the hell Nerevar was to Vehk, and (what they saw as) the good of their people, they picked the latter. That's what makes it such a tragedy. (And that, ultimately, is why I prefer this version. It's just a better story. What can I say? I'm a follower of Vivec. The marvellous, glorious, pathologically dishonest trickster that they are.)
Yet in the 36th Sermon, Vivec also names Almalexia the Face-Snaked Queen of the Almsivi. Snakes are, for obvious reasons, associated with poison. And the only other references of snakes in Morrowind are, the constellation of The Serpent in the firmament above Nirn, and the vampiric Tsaesci of Akavir. Perhaps it's just me that views Mother-Morrowind as the bitch of the story, but why would it take THREE people to murder ONE already mortally wounded Hortator? Especially if they weren't already opposed against him? Also, let's not forget that Mehra Milo used to work undercover in the Library of Vivec. Being a Dissident Priest, she may have tampered with the copies of the 36th Sermon that are always authorised by the Temple before getting published, to hide the secret message. I doubt that Vivec would be so pompous as to hide the message himself. He is pompous, yes, but admitting a murder in public, hidden in plain sight? That sounds more like a machination by Mephala, not Vivec.
Oh yeah, Ayem was for sure involved. She could definitely have provided the poison. She was the anticipation of Boethiah, whose sphere is (among other things) assassination and the overthrow of authority. You have no trouble convincing me of Ayem's guilt. I'm just also pretty sure of Seht and Vehk's guilt too ;) As for why it'd take three people, perhaps Nerevar was just that much of a badass. He was the Hortator (read: warlord) after all. I mean, the Nerevarine mantles him and they kill two gods and can kill a third if they feel like it. (By the way, this is completely unrelated, but you can add Lorkhan himself to that list of snake connections via the Redguard creation myth. Lorkhan = Sep = The Hungry Snake.)
4:10 I thought this was really cool - this is more or less saying Vivec envies the player. Vivec wants to play an Elder Scrolls game where he can live different lives, but is stuck as one character forever.
1:43 "Why even call yourself a god?" Sotha Sil: "I don't ;)" Also Sotha Sil (to Azura): "We are the new gods, born of the flesh, and wise and caring of the needs of our people." *gets the entire dunmer race cursed*
To be fair, wasn't that account written by Vivec? Vivec is a known liar. It could very easily just be Vivec lying and throwing Sil under the bus. Honestly I'd say that's more likely.
Sotha Sil didn't talk about quantum mechanics. The deep layer of what he said comes from his view of the other characters in the elder scrolls universe.
I absolutely love Sil, i love what je represents, i love the way he thinks and acts, i love his creations and his insight. And i feel theres a certain loneliness in his divinity the other two dont feel. He admires and envys mortals abilities to doubt and be indecisive; it makes me think that sometimes he misses his mortality, even if the thought is but for a moment. When i played the clockwork dlc and met him, i ended up creating a character who was raised and grew up around dwemer machinery and ruins, whose near whole life only knew dwemer. And when she was hired by fyr and met Sil, she saw him almost as a father figure, who aspired to create the great things he did.
This conversation with Sotha Sil was the only time when i truly felt i was talking to a living God on an Elder Scroll game, he´s just 50 steps ahead of whatever you´re gonna ask him or imagining to ask him, and the pain that comes with absolute knowledge, sadly they dropped the ball with the Seth that appears on Summerset, they are two different characters...
Vivec achieved the impossible: to become a waking-dreamer, and to tear the self far beyond the spokes of the wheel. And yet, was it always meant to be like this? Was it determined as fact? His Revelation of CHIM does not save him from the fact that Nerevar's reincarnation must end Dagoth-Ur, that the Oblivion Crisis is ended by the Hero of Kvatch, that Alduin be banished back from whence he came by the Last Dragonborn. With CHIM, one can change the fabric of the story as if it were just that- a story. Cyrodiil was rewritten from swampland to verdant forests and plains. That Vivec was not born in poverty as a slave to prostitution, but always was counselor to the great Nerevar and true incarnate form of Mephala. Vivec even literally writes stories of himself knowing they are both true and untrue, embodying his very nature as a living god able to rewrite the dream he himself is a part of, projecting the version of himself as he sees fit amongst endless rays of light that are refracted through the lens of the people who view him. However, this seeming omniscience does not preclude blind spots. Who are we as the player character? Every race, every sign, every gender. Without limit; transcending the limitations of canonicity by being defined as one of uncountable iterations. Who is Vivec? A slave born in a slum to serve as a prostitute? A warrior-poet god-king? Vivec can lie and muddy the waters of perception as well as literal geography and historic record, but he can't be what we are. That's why Vivec doesn't fight back if you attack him; He knows it. Within you are uncountable synchronicities and logic defying achievements... but it's more than that. He knows that you can't be killed. If you were to die, the entire timeline would cease at that exact moment, and all within suddenly vanish. Depending on when the last time you saved the game is where existence would pick back up.
Sotha Sil can see the wall separating the dream from reality but he doesn’t dare pierce it. He has a hunch theres something beyond but he figures that his purpose is to maintain the dream, not ascend beyond it.
Honestly I love this. I got Morriwind not too long ago and I fell in love with it. For my own personal story, I go with the idea that the tribunal murdered Nerevar. I heard that in that version of events, Sotha Sil was the one who convinced Vivec and Almalexia to betrayal Nerevar. So, I always saw Sotha Sil as this Judas figure, but now this video and others are really starting to make me see him in a new light. Out of the tribunal he had the most heart.
I've always viewed it that everyone of the tribunal betrayed Nerevar for their own individual motivation. Sotha Sil was likely motivated by sheer pragmatic dogma. Why throw away power when you can use it. Vivec I believe was motivated by self hatred and jealousy of Nerevar. This not only shows in his desire to be everything other than Vivec, but also his hooking up with Almalexia. As for Almalexia, she's the absolute worst. She's motivated by sheer narcissism. She spins her lies and her persona because she is utterly drunk on peoples love and adoration for her. Whereas Vivec and Sotha seem to have regret for their actions, Almalexia has non as in her mind she is perfect and can do no wrong.
You know what would be a great plot twist? Amalexia didn't kill Sotha Sil. She killed an enchanted construct and the real Sotha Sil is out there somewhere.
I think he refers to you as prisoner because, as the player, you can 'see the door to the cell' which I means having knowledge of how the Elder scrolls are video games. He cannot see the door so he tends to the reality that he sees without understanding the greater truth. I might just be wildly misinterpreting though.
You're not too far off, but it's not quite as meta as that. In the Elder Scrolls, the truth of the world is that it's all the dream of a greater figure. Sotha Sil refers to this dream as a prison. He believes the player will be able to see through the dream, AKA "gaze through the bars". Sotha Sil himself claims to not be capable of this insight, so instead he vows to help keep the dream stable, AKA "make sure that the walls are stable, the gaps are sealed, and all who remain stay safe within it".
I always loved this sequence, he reminded me of the cursed Great Being from the old Bionicle we serials. "A Great Being, yes... that is what they called me... and my brothers and sisters. Angonce once said that name was the worst thing that ever happened to us, because we started to believe it was accurate. Perhaps he was right ... perhaps that is why I am imprisoned here." "I do not speak to the beings of this world. They never see me, or hear me, and so it is left to their imaginations to conjure what I am like, how I think, and what I believe. The imagination has an infinite capacity to fill in the blanks with what it wants to be there."
Wow, he seems way more…distant then I imagined him. I always imagined him as almost brazen, a leader in the Tribunal, but really he’s a man who is cursed with knowledge, and has lost himself amongst the logic of life
I've only played Oblivion, Skyrim and ESO but in all cases I wonder if it was referring to the player starting out as a prisoner in each of the games. Sotha Sil is an NPC. As he says he isn't there because he wants to be but because he has to be. The player/prisoner is the only one who can see the door to escape to save the world we are now playing in. We; the player/prisoner is the only one with freedom in the world. Of course, I could be wrong but it's interesting to think about.
By far my favorite in the Tribunal. Clearly though, you can see the limits of his false divinity. Given his wisdom, it makes me wonder how he felt on betraying Nerevar?
This is why he doesn't achieve chim despite understanding the nature of reality. He sees what he does and must do as neccesary and resigns himself to that role rather than insisting upon being a real individual in the face of "causality." Though, in a universe that takes place inside of a dreaming entity, I would assume that fatalism would be the case rather than causality.
Seht's voice resembles Oracle's voice from Dota 2 so much, I had to Google to see if they shared the same voice actor. Well, not the same one, for those who cares.
Reid Parker except CHIM is completely canon, and there’s multiple references in in-game lore to it and Vivec’s temple of CHIM. It’s obvious that Sil is describing it here and just because you don’t like the canon doesn’t make it not canon. Kirkbride was cool and all but I don’t take his writing as canon, however CHIM has been referenced multiple times in lore. It’s how Tiber Septim shaped the jungles of Cyrodiil into forest, it’s how Vivec was able to directly combat Daedric Princes like Sheogorath. Don’t fight the canon my dude.
Cam yo CHIM is plausibly deniable, in keeping with the Elder Scrolls theme of "multiple interpretations". Vivec is a notorious liar, the power of Lorkhan's Heart can easily explain Vivec's powers, and the White Gold Tower's change of occupants could account for the reshaping of Cyrodil. Needless to say, Anamareth and Godhead written off by being Kirkbride's C0da fanfic. To re-emphasize, I'm am simply saying that CHIM only MIGHT be canon, and at present exists as a pair of references: Vivec (liar) and Mankar Camoran (crazy, and can't even assign Oblivion planes correctly).
Reid Parker maybe the specific term of CHIM is plausibly deniable, but to try to argue that important characters in TES such as Camoran, Vivec, and Tiber Septim achieved self-awareness within the universe they were in is pretty foolish. It’s pretty well established within lore, whether you want to call it “CHIM” or not
Cam yo I am arguing exactly that, and I enjoy your feedback to my interpretations. I think I've covered Vivec (Heart Powers) and Camoran (Dagon rewards him with Paradise). Talos' ascension is due to the Numidium effectively forcing the Hjalti-Wulfhearth-Arctus oversoul aka Talos to be recognized as Lorkhan, thus mantling him. (Numidium boots up, expecting to be powered by Lorkhan. It instead finds some weird super-soul which emits a fair amount of Shezzarite signals (Wulfharth), and thinks "Oh, THIS is actually Lorkhan". Because of Numidium's reality-altering powers, it is so from then on. Talos mantled/replaced/however you want to say "is now" Lorkhan.)
Vivec wants to break away from the limitations of his reality of being a fictional charachter inside a videogame...he wants to own his narrative. This is meta-narration
It is interesting meeting the Tribunal after playing through Morrowind, to know the truth of their power and the depth of their betrayal to the one they were councilors to. And to know that one day the Nerevarine will come to rectify their mistakes.
Haven't played ESO but I like that they have him interactable in this. The Tribunal were described as "living" gods so when you find him in Morrowind it gave a feeling as if you had killed an essential npc at some point in the questline even though you hadn't
