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@mbvoelker8448 Месяц назад

In re: the separation of elf spouses, I've seen people griping about Galadriel going off to the west without Celeborn and how it must mean that they don't really like each other much. However, I always picture their next meeting something like this, Galadriel: Hello, dear. I've got the house cleaned up and redecorated. Celebrian and I wove mallorn tree tapestries for the hall and I did the bedroom in blue. Celeborn: Glad to be here, darling. I closed up Lorien and helped the boys tidy up Rivendell. *Brings her up to date on what he'd heard about their great-grandchildren (Arwen's kids)* With their lifespan it wouldn't be any different than a human couple making a long distance move with one going ahead to get things ready while the other spends a few weeks tying up the loose ends in their old home.

@dlxmarks Месяц назад

In the unused LoTR epilogue (published in the _Sauron Defeated_ volume of HoME), Elanor asks about Celeborn and Sam says "I have learned that much from the Elves at any rate. They are not so troubled about time. And so I think Celeborn is still happy among his trees, in an Elvish way. His time hasn't come, and he isn't tired of his land yet. When he is tired he can go."

@tomfoolery5680 Месяц назад

There's also the fact that despite being geographically distant, there is a lot of magic that allows them to converse as though in the same room. Most readers don't seem to understand how silly it is to try to apply the human condition to the Elves. I believe the scholar KaydotLamar summed it quite succinctly. "They not like us." "They not like us." Indeed.

@onangarodney7746 Месяц назад

@@tomfoolery5680😂😂😂😂😂 The line by the Scholar KDot is wild and so true 😂😂😂

@JohnPeacekeeper Месяц назад

Pretty much why I wasn't concerned about them being apart for like a century or two. That's like... just half a year to us.

@rdc2021 Месяц назад

I love your idea but she is LADY Galandriel not an average middle class wife going ahead in a long distance move. The concept is perfect but your dialogue seems too mundane Still love it tho😊

@valentinkambushev4968 Месяц назад

When I first read LOTR and got to the part about Círdan, I remember thinking "He has a beard! He must be REALLY, REALLY, REALLY old!"

@witchhazel4135 Месяц назад

Once, when I told a little four year old that my grandmother was 89 years old, his eyes got huge, and he said, "Wow! She must be really, really tall!"

@adreabrooks11 Месяц назад

@@witchhazel4135 Kid-logic is amazing sometimes! ^_^

@YarPirates-vy7iv Месяц назад

I plan to stop shaving on my 10000th birthday too.

@montanathornhart6823 Месяц назад

I remember my grandfather always saying that though it may appear otherwise, Men are in fact the favored children of Illuvatar, as it is to them that he gave his greatest gift: Freedom. Elves are bound to the world and all it's pain and decay until it's ending and cannot escape it even in "death"; the Undying Lands are a respite but not a true escape. Whereas Men are given freedom from the world and it's pain through death.

@Darkstar-se6wc Месяц назад

Your grandfather sounds like a wise man.

@nemanjap8768 Месяц назад

Only if you believe that there is something beyond

@wrenithilduincats Месяц назад

It's funny how they envy each other. The elves envy the men because they receive the gift of death and escape from this world, and the men are jealous of elves because they have near immortality.

@mikloscsuvar6097 Месяц назад

@@nemanjap8768Not at all. There is suffering when even turning into nothing is preferred more than existence.

@SWOTHDRA Месяц назад

@mikloscsuvar6097 never

@mattaardsma8245 Месяц назад

I've always wanted to know more about Nerdanel. I can't begin to comprehend the strength of will she must have had. Not to bear 7 sons, but to put up with Feanor.

@Vaitso Месяц назад

Talk about the "terrible twos"... except that it goes on for 1000 years. 😆

@IarwainBen-adar Месяц назад

To be fair she gave up after his oath 🤣

@hecate235 Месяц назад

Maybe that's why Feanor's mother refused to be re-embodied. She foresaw what would happen and couldn't bear to see it finally happen, and chose to remain safe in Mandos.

@D2attemp Месяц назад

She does not get enough attention and love from the fandom. Feanor was definitely at his greatest while having Nerdanel by his side tempering his ego

@blacksage2375 Месяц назад

Nah Nerdsnel was the brawn in the family, when the mood was on her she'd go into the forge and whack Feanor with his own hammer before dragging him to bed. Many wondered at this but those close to Feanor whispered he enjoyed it greatly.

@Dr_Cole Месяц назад

Thank you for this! I find that most Tolkien’s channels like to cover the origins of elves, humans, and dwarves. However, this is the first telling I have seen on the life cycle of elves (companions to the others would be appreciated as well!). This helps me appreciate the sadness of immortality far better. Great video. Earnestly appreciated.

@kristenrosales2919 Месяц назад

That explains why the elves left Middle Earth during the Third Age. Having immortality would be a blessing, however they would feel the weight and sorrows since they are bound to the circles of the world.

@postmodernjambox5951 Месяц назад

This is why when my coworkers were joking that medical immortality could be obtained in our lifetime affordable by the 1% I internally despaired because I see how much the world weighs OK yhe

@eimanb3887 Месяц назад

Every time I go into a LOTR phase (which happens a lot) I always rewatch all my faves from this channel. Thanks for these videos! The quality and style is so awesome

@SoonGone Месяц назад

I imagine that baby Elves are more like pixies. They can dance by the age of one, it'd be pretty hilarious if they were chubby little one year old babies at that point.

@theamazingbatboy Месяц назад

I can't imagine any elf in the history of the world was ever called 'chubby' 😂. As you say, if at one-yr-old they can dance, play and sing they're pretty developed, so like traditional Fairies-miniature people with a 3-5 year old's proportions.

@lhet8266 Месяц назад

Arondir is just one meal away from being chubby.

@OrchestrationOnline Месяц назад

Elf life in Nan Dungortheb is the same length as shelf life for Twinkies - eternity unless eaten.

@kristinal-ghoul2680 Месяц назад

Maglor was probably one who faded as he wandered Middle Earth singing laments after the first age was concluded.

@Top_Hat_Walrus Месяц назад

Elves physical bodies fadeing in time is so cool because it matches elfs/alver in norse/germanic mythology

@fionahireland Месяц назад

Thanks for the video! My weekend treat is rewatching the extended editions of LOTR 💜

@alcozar5905 Месяц назад

Immortality could be horrible losing someone you love or being a witness to the end of everything hearing the world go quiet.

@michaelrosenstock9187 Месяц назад

Eventually you stop thinking

@nicodemusedwards6931 Месяц назад

Most Elves one day: *I do not vibe with this universe…*

@cal42982 Месяц назад

And yet you commented

@jeffarmfield2346 Месяц назад

Most people today...

@DeltaNovum Месяц назад

I totally vibe with this universe, just not the society we are living in.

@laser8389 Месяц назад

#notmymiddleearth (I was gonna say Arda but I checked myself, the Undying Lands are part of Arda, just removed after one of the apocalypses [going through the Silmarillion recently I came to realize just how many times Tolkien basically said "I don' t like this map, new server" and now Middle-Earth has a new west coast]).

@michaelrosenstock9187 Месяц назад

Eventually they stop thinking

@michaeljebbett160 Месяц назад

Interesting how D&D elves share the century long maturity with their Tolkien inspiration. Yall oughta make a video on the influence of Tolkien on modern fantasy, and the ensuing lawsuit with Dungeons and Dragons

@zakkmiller8242 Месяц назад

Its like Christmas morning every time I get the notification of a new NotR upload! 🥳

@OlórinDaGrey Месяц назад

I’m reading the Silmarillion and this is going to clear up so much for me! Thanks❤

@pharrigan-hikes Месяц назад

I would highly reccomend the Sisters of the Shire podcast. They went through the Silmarillion in small bits and made it easier for me to get the names and family trees straight in my head.

@OlórinDaGrey Месяц назад

@@pharrigan-hikes thank you for the recommendation!

@mrs.manrique7411 Месяц назад

Feanors mom is the most interesting part of all of the textbook of the Silmarillion (besides Beren and Luthien, which is a true novel in and of itself!)

@CraftyCoba0408 3 дня назад

@@pharrigan-hikesoh that’s awesome thank you for that recommendation!

@Boog_masskway Месяц назад

Finally, someone explained what it meant for an elf to fade. I had no idea that it literally meant the materializing into a spirit.

@valentinkambushev4968 Месяц назад

5:21 Yeah, that explains why elves are in a decline. When were the last days of peace and happiness in Middle Earth.

@teleportedbreadfor3days Месяц назад

I had figured exceptions were made in ages after the Fourth Era. Elves do not bare children if they are involved in such times of strife, or that their days of peace are secluded to Valinor where they now reside exclusively. Though at the same time, this could be quite an allegory on Professor Tolkien’s part: If we drop our arms and cease, and return to days of unprecedented peace, the Elves will return again to the world.

@susanrodriquez3757 Месяц назад

Elves were ironically a big part of the reason there was despair and lack of peace and happiness in Middle Earth to begin with. They weren’t supposed to be there to begin with but were supposed to be in the undying lands. Feanor went against the Valars wishes who was envious of men that they would get dominion over Middle Earth (he felt everything should be dominated by the elves as they were the first born) and in defiance also decided to pursue Morgoth the first dark lord in disobedience to the Valar. Due to this the noldor elves of Middle Earth were cursed by the Valar to never defeat Morgoth and suffer his wrath which not only brought on major pain and suffering to themselves but also to the world of men where as a newly born inexperienced race men immediately had a choice to make to choose either the side of the noldor elves or the dark lord Morgoth. Thereby men were also cursed to endure the same suffering with much less experience, gifts or talents the elves had to draw on (not to mention the disease, decay and mortality they had to face as a byproduct of their life). The dark elves fate (elves of middle earth were called dark elves) was literally their doing whereas men never really had a choice in the matter except to choose the lesser of 2 evils in a fight they could never win. The Elves meanwhile could’ve avoided the whole thing by not being in Middle Earth to begin with.

@teleportedbreadfor3days Месяц назад

@@susanrodriquez3757 Sounds like more Elf criticism. In fact, among other things, the Elves _were_ supposed to be in Middle Earth. Eru had a plan for them. They were kept in Valinor to be protected by Morgoth, who sought to dominate the world

@susanrodriquez3757 Месяц назад

@@teleportedbreadfor3days Elves have their flaws like men but with obviously more advantages, experience, and lack of decay in mind or body that men have to endure and a greater chance at wisdom and nobility through long years. Yes it absolutely was a critique. With great power comes great responsibility and it is quite obvious as the older brother of the children of lluvatar that the elves as individuals overall wield more power than their younger brothers in the world of Arda. Criticism is important because it is a reflection on how you could’ve been better but you make it sound like a bad thing when it isn’t. However yes technically everything is by Eru Lluvatars plan because he adapts it accordingly. For example Aule created the dwarves but they were not initially supposed to be a creation because they aren’t supposed to be created without Erus permission. It was then Eru that gave them free will and a soul but warned Aule and said they would often be at odds with the children of lluvatar because of what Aule did. By the same vain this is similar to the elves in that Eru shifted and adopted the plan except that Feanor did it in defiance whereas Aule just wanted someone to teach his craft to and he apologized (which is why Aule was forgiven whereas the Noldor elves were cursed by the valars and Feanor to the very end never apologized). Dominion of Middle Earth was initially supposed to be given to men with the undying lands given to the elves. This obviously became adapted differently by Eru when Feanor rebelled with great cost to both men and elves. Ultimately everything was rectified with Middle Earth given back to men in the end as Elves went back to the undying lands over time. This is also reflected somewhat in original sin. Adam and Eve were given the heavenly Garden of Eden. Now did God know man was going to commit sin and eat from the tree of knowledge? Yes and he set such plans accordingly. You can make this same argument about the elves of Middle Earth. The Noldor elves went against the original plan for elves committing sin. However due to giving them free will Eru knew it was going to happen and adapted his plans accordingly as he knows all things. In spite of this the dark elves of Middle Earth still had the free will and option not to commit sin the same way Adam and Eve had the option not to commit sin (a lot of this stuff while not exact is parallel as Tolkien was a Christian).

@magister343 Месяц назад

@@susanrodriquez3757 If elves were not supposed to be in Middle Earth, Eru Iluvatar would not have placed them there. The Valar were wrong to ever try to take them away. Ulmo was right to oppose Oromë's plan to bring the Elves to Aman.

@astraloutlaw6549 Месяц назад

This is an interesting concept on the Elf Life Cycle. Also, knowing what happens to them in spirit, it would be great to know where spirits of both Elves and Men go to when they die. Perhaps a video on the afterlife for men and elves and how they differ or share similarities is something worth looking into.

@limpychick4724 Месяц назад

It'd be a pretty short video - not even the Valar know where the spirits of Men go after death, only Eru Iluvatar knows. For the elves, the Halls of Mandos could be discussed, but ultimately the fate of the elves is linked with the fate of the world.

@gargoyles9999 Месяц назад

Men go to Eru to be consumed as his food. Why else would he essentially create a wildlife reserve that gave him an endless supply of souls? Do you really think an omnipotent being would like spending time with the 93737th illiterate dirt farmer? Valar and the Elves were the game wardens, Morgoth and Sauron just went in and spoiled the herd so he had to intervene

@myriadmediamusings Месяц назад

If only those men and numenoreans who yearned for the precious elf immortality knew that most of that time would be spent in the drudgery that is the halls of Mandos until its youre turn to be reincarnated.

@FreddyScouser Месяц назад

"Dad said its my turn on the reincarnation"

@valentinkambushev4968 Месяц назад

The grass is always greener on the other side.

@jimbolambo103 Месяц назад

And even worse: after you're reincarnated, you have to go back to your wife!

@willclark4449 Месяц назад

@@jimbolambo103 and not have sex after 4 kids for an eternity. (even if you die and come back)

@AlienChilde Месяц назад

@@willclark4449 That may not be an 'or worse' for them. Perhaps they just simply don't have a desire or urge for sex. As a sex repulsed asexual I can totally understand not having any sexual urges or desires and can easily go months and years without sex. Or perhaps they have control over their bodies to the point that they can have sex without conceiving a child. Their bodies are different enough from humans that perhaps a female elf only releases an egg for fertilization when she and her husband wish to get pregnant.

@colinleat8309 Месяц назад

Elvis marriages sound similar to Vulcan relationships 🤣

@bash_maxwell Месяц назад

Vulcans are Star Trek's Elves for sure!

@sunny_froyo Месяц назад

Elvis marriages are specifically in Las Vegas only. I don't see a connection at all

@Eowyn3Pride Месяц назад

🤯🖖🤣🤣🤣🍻🧝‍♂️🧝‍♀️

@valentinkambushev4968 Месяц назад

1:21 Now I know what the true gift of Iluvatar to men was.

@AwkwardAuction Месяц назад

Tolkien created a truly amazing universe. I’m always in awe every time I read his work.

@JagerLange Месяц назад

I don't want to say that this "humanises" the Elves, because of course not, but... this makes the Elves a lot more understandable and relatable in terms of their lives than otherwise, etc.

@The-Allfather-Odin 28 дней назад

I agree

@omarbinno4390 Месяц назад

Great topic. Loved this. I must say, though, there seems enough reason in Tolkien's original intro and prologue in LOTR to believe that Elladan and Elrohir sailed away on the same ship as Celeborn and Cirdan.

@watch4mecanada847 Месяц назад

Much love from Canada, sincerely your highest viewing non patreon viewer 🎉🎉🎉

@colinleat8309 Месяц назад

Hello fellow Canuck! 🖖😎🤘🇨🇦. I made a joke comparing Elves and Vulcan relationships 🤣

@VoiceoftheRings Месяц назад

This Video Was so well done! You Honor Tolkien's memory with this video Matt!

@dpipess Месяц назад

I see a new Nerd of the Rings video, I click it. Always great content, thank you so much.

@ike555je Месяц назад

Very well written. Thank you!

@DanielDutraRibeiro Месяц назад

My view of elves in LOTR has completely changed! Tolkien has brought so much depth to us, and of course, it is so well presented in this video! Marvelous work, Nerd of the Rings! Also, if possible, could you share which score is used in this video, especially in the second half? Thank you and, again, excellent work!

@diehardice2905 Месяц назад

Could you do a history of eregion next

@QuentaAccords Месяц назад

Bound to this World, of the Stars

@superhaven3647 Месяц назад

An elf episode that focuses on a part of their physiology. nice. Im willing the bet that this is going to be one of many.

@argumentativelysound2001 Месяц назад

Love that Lore. Thank you for keeping that river flow.

@MrPprocopio Месяц назад

should do a more detailed video on the sundering of the elves, the YT and everything that went on during that time.

@istari0 Месяц назад

Excellent video! Great summation of the Elven life-cycle.

@Enerdhil Месяц назад

My only question was the meaning of 50 and 100 years. Were those Valian Years or Years of the Sun?🤔

@istari0 Месяц назад

@@Enerdhil It's Years of the Sun. Elrond was at the Fall of Thangorodrim and that was only around 50 Years of the Sun after he was born.

@Alexs.2599 Месяц назад

@@istari0 Yes accurate. Also remember according to the writings in the Nature Of Middle Earth book the years that an Elf has lived within Arda are different than their actual age. For example 11000 years an Elf has lived doesn't mean they're 11000 years old.

@Enerdhil Месяц назад

@@istari0 Elrond was never alive during the so-called Valian Years, so of course in his case it is Years of the Sun. How about Galadriel? If those 50 and 100 years are Years of the Sun, then she would have reached her Third Cycle of Life in Eldamar according to Matt's interpretation of Tolkien's very confusing Life Cycles of Elves. Did Galadriel reach her Third Cycle of Life at all?🤔

@istari0 Месяц назад

@@Enerdhil We know the 1st Cycle ends after around 100 years. As far as I recall, I don't remember there being a clear definition of how long the 2nd cycle lasts. And Galadriel was nearly 3000 Years of the Sun younger than Círdan.

@novacorponline Месяц назад

"elves have very few children. Only about twice as many children as families nowadays have." xD

@scubasteve7850 Месяц назад

Then he says 7, so people are having 3.5 children now? How are they getting the .5 childre.... Actually, I don't wanna know.

@novacorponline Месяц назад

@@scubasteve7850 He said 4, then noted that one elf pair had 7 as a rare exception.

@scubasteve7850 Месяц назад

@@novacorponline lol I didn't catch that, I was making salsa while listening to the video

@adreabrooks11 Месяц назад

Urban people nowadays have very, very few children. :)

@archonsouthpaw8690 Месяц назад

10:53 I like how that's just Link

@Darkgeran7 Месяц назад

That’s dark but in an older video you said that all of the children of illuvatar will take part in the second music even the dwarfs on your third video on morgoth.

@matthewanderson9754 Месяц назад

The elves loyalty to each other is something only written in Tolkiens books. I wish humans learned from such writings.

@sajjadalhachami7574 Месяц назад

Can you talk about elf/men relationship like friends , love those stuff

@Pixellated-kb3vx Месяц назад

I'm in the middle of reading the Silmarillion, which is an obvious challenge, and I admit I haven't picked it up in a while, but I know that when I finish It will have been worth reading. How long did it take you to finish it?

@gixmonster Месяц назад

I tried reading it a couple of times, but couldn't get through it. Then I listened to it as an audiobook, got through it just fine and love it.

@Flyboy245 Месяц назад

Very cool. It’s always interesting to think of a lifestyle that’s different than what is common to us. An in depth look into the elves, and how they grow up, and mate, is not really something that I knew about. I had wondered when they grow out of “adolescence”. Some of the stuff you go into, I at least have a cursory understanding of, but it’s always awesome getting more detail. However this subject was new to me, but like I said, something I had wondered about. Awesome!

@pk............ Месяц назад

Great artwork in there.

@phatworkshop Месяц назад

Fascinating! Having to be tied to the world until it's end may be more of a burden than Men's mortality. I'd love a video on the council of Elrond.

@ShanCarns Месяц назад

You never miss with an upload!

@captianmorgan7627 Месяц назад

"They are the fist born"* *You know, if you ignore the dwarves. And assume that creation is not 'born'.

@gargoyles9999 Месяц назад

Orphans don’t count as kids

@CarlGorn Месяц назад

I'm seeing a parallel between how the earth affects the Eldar and how the One Ring affected those who wore it. Perhaps in forging it, Sauron captured some of the spirit of Arda itself, binding it with his own will. Thus, the Ring(and by extension, Sauron) and the Eldar would be two sides of the same coin; the elves accepting Arda as it comes and Sauron attempting to dominate and shackle it.

@MythicTales993 Месяц назад

The content is very detailed and easy to understand. Extremely helpful for beginners like me!

@daniell1483 Месяц назад

This is an element of Tolkien's writing that I have the most trouble accepting. Men and elves are supposed to be of a kind, not one being objectly better than the other, but that's just not the case. Men live, toil all our lives, then die with very little control over anything. Elves if not outright immortal might as well be, and they have so much more control over their fate, occasionally coming back from death itself. And in their thousands of years, they experience all there is to experience, seek out far greater mastery than any human could match in any field. Oh but humans get a mystery ending, evening things out! Well, so do elves! So in what way are men on par or better than elves? Besides breeding quicker, I see nothing to even the two races out.

@blacksage2375 Месяц назад

A classic critique there. If it makes you feel better though Men have a capacity for growth lacking in the Elves. The knife ears peaked in Valinor a land not their's and when Morgoth whispers that all they built is but leftovers the Valar gave them... well he's not too far off. When they strike off on their own? They fail utterly in what's no more than a long season. The glories of Beleriand are trumped up hillforts squatting on Thingol's land. And when the War of Wrath comes it is not the exiles that join in... it's men. Men never give up the fight. And it is men who make the greatest nation on the face of Arda. They don't sit on their island they sail from the sunset to the dawn. And even as they fall to darkness their strength waxes until such was their might that not even the One Ring could keep Sauron's forces from fleeing before the might of Numenor. And yet their greatest days lie before them still.

@daniell1483 Месяц назад

@@blacksage2375 That's an interesting point you make. Essentially that elves peaked a long time ago, and given all their natural gifts, they never really tapped all their potential.

@user-mb1hg4qu9f Месяц назад

Thank you, I appreciate the knowledge! 👍🏻

@Tancraide Месяц назад

Does anybody know where I can find all these amazing songs playing in the background? Specially the sad violin at 8:06. Thanks.

@Tar-Elenion Месяц назад

In the passage in Morgoth's Ring (Laws & Customs Among the Eldar), the 'years' referred to (after the first 3), are likely the 9.58 : 1 rate of 'Tree Years' (See, e.g., Finarfin born in YT 1230, marries in YT 1280 (Annals of Aman) "The Eldar wedded for the most part in their youth and soon after their fiftieth year"). The ca. 1958 ageing scheme should probably not be tied into the later developed 'cycles of life', which have different schemes. In particular, the text in NoMe, 1 XIX: Elvish life-cycles (which has a 1 : 1 growth rate to 'maturity', then 144 : 1), dated to c. 1969+, and having 'youth renewals'; but also the 1965 1 XVIII Elvish Ages & Númenórean, which is 3 : 1 then 144 : 1, (full-growth at 72 (sun-years), 'youth' until 6,912, 'maturity' or 'standstill' until 13,896, then 'fading').

@Enerdhil Месяц назад

Trying to figure out how many years of the Sun equal one Valian Year makes my head spin.😵‍💫 I like one Valian Year = 9.58 years of the Sun. 144 years of the Sun equaling one Valerian Year is way too much, IMO.

@Tar-Elenion Месяц назад

@@Enerdhil 9.5862 IIRC. The 144 is okay, as long as it is kept in context. While Tolkien suggested in one place that it could just be put into the Annals, he seems to have realized that was problematic, as he started reworking the dates to accomodate that (e.g. NoMe 1 XIII, and some other 'hints' in some of the later 'ageing' texts). Unfortunately he did not finish it.

@Enerdhil Месяц назад

@@Tar-Elenion I'd say "fortunately" he didn't finish.😁 For most of us, around "10" makes the math really easy, so that is what I am going with. 😅👍🏻

@Tar-Elenion Месяц назад

@@Enerdhil I would not say fortunately, since he was breaking it down by _loa_ within the _yen_ (unlike the Annals), e.g. VY 865/1 Awaking of Quendi. (I would however give it up for a complete revised Tuor...). When referring to The Annals of Aman, I maintain the 9.5862 is what should be used, as that is the context it was written in. Just putting the 144 into it leads to absurdities like 40000 year old Luthien or 20000 year old Aredhel.

@Enerdhil Месяц назад

@@Tar-Elenion That makes sense. I just never understood why he thought changing the conversion rate of Valian Years to Years of the Sun made sense at such a ridiculously high number. You mentioned Tuor would benefit from the 144 rate. How so?

@paulmitchell9975 Месяц назад

Excellent work

@Mahtan00 Месяц назад

To me it's a bit sad that JRR Tolkien's text "Laws and Customs among The Eldar" (in "Morgoth's Ring") is not widely known by most Tolkien fans. Nerd does a great job of summing it up.

@YarPirates-vy7iv Месяц назад

And as the elf pupa struggles to free itself from its cocoon, something wonderful happens: the small, fuzzy worm had transformed into a glittering adult. David Attenborough probably said that.

@STMukr Месяц назад

Nice video. Just like old days. Bless you laddie❤

@peterpayne2219 Месяц назад

This is the kind of nerdy stuff I love

@johnt.inscrutable1545 Месяц назад

Happy Boink Day!

@J1mmyMack Месяц назад

I would love to see a clever elf child in Rings of Power.

@LivingWithDragon Месяц назад

Since the conception of elf children requires a greater share of their strength of being in mind and body, I wonder how it may have been different for Aragorn and Arwen. Did only Arwen give so much of herself and not Aragorn? Additional, I wonder how long Arwen carried the children. 9 or 12 months?

@JudgeMagikarp Месяц назад

Those children were humans not elfs, and conceived after she had chosen to be a mortal, hence 9 months

@vksasdgaming9472 Месяц назад

@@JudgeMagikarpHalf-elves and most likely they could no longer choose where they belong.

@leonardofaber5823 Месяц назад

@@vksasdgaming9472 Aragorn and Arwen's children are not counted as Half-elves. The term ""half-elf" only applies to the offspring of Elves and Men, and to descendants of such unions who had the gift of Choice. Despite being children of a Half-elf, Eldarion and his sisters were mere Men; Dúnedain, but just Men - for their mother Arwen was no longer as she was before making the Choice.

@vksasdgaming9472 Месяц назад

@@leonardofaber5823 They were still half-elves as Arwen was one of eldar. She was three-quarters elf though. Eldarion and others just lacked choice previous children like they had.

@leonardofaber5823 Месяц назад

@@vksasdgaming9472 it matters not who Arwen was: after her Choice she was, for all intents and purposes, of the Men. So her Children, despite havin elven blood from both mother and father, were also of the Men. Her children are not counted as Half-elves, but rather as Dúnedain from the restored bloodline.

@williamchamberlain2263 Месяц назад

1:25 got to really hydrate well to squeeze out a baby-maker

@xXHellEngelXx Месяц назад

Can someone tell me the name of the beautiful string music?

@xXHellEngelXx Месяц назад

actually i finally found it ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-zel2YtKOYTo.html

@ArthurOliveira-ex6rq Месяц назад

great video brother, thank you!

@laser8389 Месяц назад

I got my lores mixed up at the end and thought you were making a pun ("... the world made anew."). One of the primordial deities in the Elder Scrolls games is Anu, the primordial force of order and stasis. One in-game sect's interpretation of their origin leads them to believe that they are destined to unmake the world to return to a state of changelessness (you can't have change if you don't have things that can change), thereby making the world Anu.

@andreipopa6959 Месяц назад

This is a very cool series. Keep it up 👍

@gxb4dbl00dzz8 Месяц назад

Love you bro

@chrisryan2313 Месяц назад

Good work ❤

@colinbaldwin313 Месяц назад

It's more difficult for Elves to bear children? Wow. Elves are noble and self-sacrificing enough as it is. Ol' Eru should have at least eased their motherly burdens.

@valentinkambushev4968 Месяц назад

He saved it for men.

@colinbaldwin313 Месяц назад

@@valentinkambushev4968 The more selfish and potentially evil of the two species. Wow, that's fair.

@KingOfSciliy Месяц назад

It's also a way to prevent overpopulating the world with being of immor- *ahem* "serial longevity"

@colinbaldwin313 Месяц назад

@@KingOfSciliy I can understand that. But why can't Eru trust the wisdom of His First-Born, and just have faith that they can control their own population for the best?

@Fyrefrye Месяц назад

@@colinbaldwin313 He said that it took more effort of mind, will, and body, not that it was more painful. One possibility is that they simply had so much stamina it would take a very long time and a lot of effort for them to achieve a climax. Or they may have had a much narrower window of fertility and/or a longer menstrual cycle. These all lead to a situation where it would make the bearing of children require much more intentional effort or planning.

@ozmozis6073 Месяц назад

Very well done.

@Broockle Месяц назад

Very fitting to have this video with Frieren's popularity 😀

@mrs.manrique7411 Месяц назад

This is why I said Galadriel in RoP is in dangerous waters forgetting about her husband in season 1. If she were to remarry she would be essentially divorcing him for eternity. That’s why episode 7 is so interesting.

@CYON4D Месяц назад

Great content as always.

@StreetDisciple86 Месяц назад

So I'm literally watching FOTR right now and thought, how does Sauron not at least keep in mind that the rings destruction was a possibility when it was the rings power that convinced isildur to leave Mt Doom and not destroy it? When he did find out it was too late but he should have already known

@Fyrefrye Месяц назад

this was addressed in the stories. He fully believed that the corrupting power of the ring was so great, no mortal (and few immortals) could withstand it and therefore none would have the will to destroy it. None should even be willing to CONSIDER destroying it once they are under its sway. And he was very nearly right. Gandalf and Galadreil *barely* manage to turn down the offer to take the ring and both knew what it would do to them if they actually possessed it. Faramir is the ONLY man in history to be in a position to take the ring and actively choose to let it go. And the only bearers of the ring to willingly give it up were Bilbo (who still was tempted by it later) and Sam. AND in the end, the ring is not destroyed willingly. Neither Frodo nor Gollum wanted to destroy it once they reached Mt. Doom. But in their struggle to possess it, Gollum fell and took it with him. So in that sense Sauron was not wrong, the "owner" of the ring did NOT try to destroy it. Like Isildur before him, Frodo had the will to bring it to the Crack of Doom, but then the ring's power proved to strong and he turned away.

@afolsom685 Месяц назад

Love the Elven stuff.

@KDthunder2009 Месяц назад

Being a prisoner on Middle Earth as an elf would be so much worse than death.

@evelynvongizycki1017 Месяц назад

I thought that Arwen was an example of an elf who remained in ME and just faded away some time after Arathorn died

@AdelleNowotny Месяц назад

hey! I love your videos and I thought a video about the languages of middle earth would be cool.

@user-ze1ut4nk2z Месяц назад

And what about fate of man and Gift of Ilúvatar? Nice topic for the new video, I guess.

@leonardofaber5823 Месяц назад

No one knows the Fate of Men after passing. Maybe Manwë and Mandos know, but they do not tell.

@sindrimyr5351 Месяц назад

I can imagine that, the elves at rhe end of the Dagor Dagorsth, join their voices to the new song of creation, untouched by discord this time, that creates the new world. And thus their Souls are bound to this new world.

@Fanelan053 Месяц назад

Love the videos

@lorierush6561 26 дней назад

This is very interesting. Where in the books is this covered? I don't remember reading it.

@korkronwarlord Месяц назад

What music list are you using for these videos?

@kirandeepchakraborty7921 Месяц назад

Such a Beautiful Episode ❤

@simonpitre7978 Месяц назад

Can someone give me the name of the music at the end of the video. It souds so good pls !

@michaelrosenstock9187 Месяц назад

Eventually the elves stopped thinking

@Denjiman-qz9mi Месяц назад

I personally believe that the elves would be part of that second world, but that it would be men, not elves who would be the ones to save them, perhaps in the second singing to Illuvatar.

@venkelos6996 Месяц назад

And for those elves who choose to marry men, a time of joy, followed by a parting, and in a way elves wouldn't normally feel, as the soul of man sails beyond the world, to a place where his loves soul can never follow, so long as the world endures.

@reneedailey1696 Месяц назад

Elves become mortal when they wed Men, so they share the same fate- Luthien and Arwen will never see their families again, hence the pain of their choice to their fathers.

@atteflinkkila1833 Месяц назад

Thanks!

@renandavidsoriaahumada6093 Месяц назад

4:14 Wait Wait Wait Wait Why?

@Cc-wr5dc Месяц назад

That was a beautiful ending. Almost makes you appreciate mortality.

@gargoyles9999 Месяц назад

Until you get eaten by Eru

@jclark2752 Месяц назад

It all makes sense now. Elves have lovely intricate things, live in beautiful homes, and peacefully pursue the delicate and nuanced aspects of artistry… Because they have no Babies. No Toddlers. No chaotic, selfish, agents of destruction stumbling around chewing, drooling, puking, and pooping all over everything when they aren’t literally Screaming for attention and accommodation. Nice.

@gargoyles9999 Месяц назад

They’re rockin the DiNK lifestyle

@Magic_beans_ Месяц назад

0:45 One hundred forty-four? One gross, you might say? Interesting.

@christianadam2907 Месяц назад

Thought the same... But Tolkien did not know of population genetics, and how many people are needed to maintain a healthy population, or he would have awoken a few more elves 🤣

@christianadam2907 Месяц назад

@@anni.68 indeed

@Magic_beans_ Месяц назад

Perhaps I should clarify: Bilbo invited 144 people to his birthday party. Interesting that this number reappears at what is essentially the beginning of the end.

@littlejonathorn6860 Месяц назад

Elves have a Middle Earth skip trick!!! (Illuvitar/Being Immortal). They can go to Valinor and instantly come be back to life. Ex: Haldir in Two Towers dies. (He’s waiting to come back) Can someone please confirm? Does or can this happen given the Tolkien lore? Heard this somewhere or read on reddit a while back.

@jantjarks7946 Месяц назад

I can only guess that it's not without its own drawbacks.

@littlejonathorn6860 Месяц назад

@@jantjarks7946 yes

@dlxmarks Месяц назад

Glorfindel died in The Two Towers?

@littlejonathorn6860 Месяц назад

@@dlxmarksSrry. I had the two mixed up. Its supposed to be “Haldir,” instead of “Glorfindel.” Glorfindel fought a Balrog in Gondolin. Haldir died it two towers.

@littlejonathorn6860 Месяц назад

Glorfindel has some immortal reincarnation Illuvatar trick.

@tell-me-a-story- Месяц назад

So they’re little babies, walking around and dancing and singing, lol.

@leonellmonzonviera2918 Месяц назад

thank you👏

@tristansewell5986 Месяц назад

Aren't the Years of the Trees 12 Years of the Sun? Which dramatically extends the duration of maturation.

@leonardofaber5823 Месяц назад

We have to possible options: 1 Valian Year = 9.582 solar years - as we can read in Tolkien's writtings from 1930's and 1940's; 1 Valian Year = 144 solar years - as we can read in Tolkien's writtings from 1950's;