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The elites are not the enemy you want to go into hand to hand combat with [Lore] 

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Thanks for watching Roannoke Gaming! In this video I go over the History, family structure, and tech of the Sangheili. The sangheili have a very warrior like past which runs throughout all aspects of their lives. Joining the covenant seemed like an inevitability as the San Shyuum needed them.
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@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Dont forget to like and subscribe! After all, its free and if you like the video, why not?
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy
@East_Coast_Toasty_Boy 6 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming they are if you're a Jedi lmao
@chiefsenpai969
@chiefsenpai969 6 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming please! I want more lore about Halo. Especially the Sangheli
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming Humans eww
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
This is Sierra it's a Creature
@adambyrne9302
@adambyrne9302 5 лет назад
Can you link first video, I can find it
@CarMADforever
@CarMADforever 6 лет назад
Halo 3 was my first Halo, I had a... bare bones... idea of the story. But as soon as the exchange with the Arbiter happens, the "Were it so easy", I knew I was gonna love the Sangheili. But when you get into them as a species in their own you see just how proud and powerful a race they were even before the Covenant. Like, here's a good one, the energy sword is shaped for Sangheili hands, but that isn't a custom item made by the Covenant for the Sangheili; it actually used to be a wooden ceremonial sparring sword back on Sangheilios used in duels for power where it would be the two Sangheili in bare clothes using only one sword each and hand to hand combat to either disarm or force one party to capitulate. That is why the design is as such, protecting the hand from direct strike while the gap between the two prongs (which has a narrowing above the hand gap to stop the incoming blade if you look closely) can catch the blade and allow you to twist the opponents blade as a tactic to disarm them. This would also go towards the choice of Thel'Vadams group being called the Swords of Sangheilios. The Covenant just militarised the design through the magnetic field contained plasma system, and then it is given to high ranking elites as a sign of status.
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
I played the original Halo first, I hated elites, they needed to be wiped out. But over time their roles changed and they became allies. its interesting how a game literally made me hate an imaginary species haha but the fact there is so much lore in this game is amazing. its like its own history course going through it
@SenzuSundae
@SenzuSundae 6 лет назад
When I was a kid, I always thought the Elites were just dinosaur people. 😂😂😅
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
youre not wrong lol
@nobleregret5314
@nobleregret5314 5 лет назад
Huh i did not think that maybe bc i read the book thing that came with ce and i was more interested in fighting them
@araskisthetrickster43
@araskisthetrickster43 3 года назад
Same
@pinstripecool34
@pinstripecool34 3 года назад
They kinda are though lol
@Soloong_Gaybowzer
@Soloong_Gaybowzer 2 года назад
The ones in the lore more closely referred to as "dinosaurs" were the Jackals. The Elites were called Lizards by most and "Alligators" by some.
@PackHunter117
@PackHunter117 6 лет назад
The Elite culture reminds me a lot of Ancient Sparta.
@htoodoh5770
@htoodoh5770 6 лет назад
PackHunter117 me too
@PackHunter117
@PackHunter117 6 лет назад
wιѕegυy That’s true. Probably both
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
PackHunter117 Humans look the same to me
@PackHunter117
@PackHunter117 5 лет назад
Tul ' Juran All split jaws look the same too when I am my DMR at their faces
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
PackHunter117 Well at least I'm Pure Reptilian humans are 28% Reptile and have Lizard brain
@wilburforce8046
@wilburforce8046 6 лет назад
Correction on the writ of union that I feel got ret con’d because a lot of people get it wrong. The shangheli do get smacked by the dreadnaught but use their forruner tech to match the prophets and make a huge stalemate that would force the species to make a treaty
@heftymagic4814
@heftymagic4814 6 лет назад
The fact that the sangheli favored the humans bravery and questioned their leaders didnt spark the great skism
@htoodoh5770
@htoodoh5770 6 лет назад
hefty magic heresy?
@dldoubleg2915
@dldoubleg2915 6 лет назад
The quality of this channel is preeeeeeetty good, if you get a whole lot of subs, I called it
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
DLDouble G thanks broseph, I hope I can continue to bring stuff yall wanna watch, but be prepared because if I do, I'm tagging you in the comments and annoying the hell out of my original subs!
@mitlanderson
@mitlanderson 4 года назад
@@RoanokeGaming well i guess you got those subs
@3N1StaticGaming
@3N1StaticGaming 6 лет назад
Wort Wort Wort!!! Blarg!
@dragonbornlord4911
@dragonbornlord4911 6 лет назад
I didn't know the elites respected humanity, nice to know they like us in a way
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Not so much like, Respect as an enemy haha
@dragonbornlord4911
@dragonbornlord4911 6 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming yeah but its better than them not liking us in anyway
@zachblaine259
@zachblaine259 6 лет назад
tbh were the only enemy they could never completely best other than the prophet race not gonna spell it out lol
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
wιѕegυy humans are just as dumb humans are weakened state they allow Humans and Elites to live near each other and some most likely will try to mix. creating a Hybrid population whose loyalty will be split in half
@lordkarasu2263
@lordkarasu2263 3 года назад
“I don’t think you guys wanna hear me talk that long” Me-*watching 200+ video playlist*i mean, I do.
@clydemarshall8095
@clydemarshall8095 6 лет назад
Roanoke, as you know, the Covenant was technologically advanced thanks to ready access to and the reverse engineering of Forerunner tech. Can you make a video talking about how a species’ technological advancement changes based on whether they have to develop independently or have the ability to reverse engineer stuff that would be otherwise beyond them?
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
thats a good idea! I may be able to do that in the future! thanks for the suggestion bro
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming Your Race Humans the first Civilizations Sumerians Phoenicians
@zacimusprime4865
@zacimusprime4865 6 лет назад
Dude we do have hair and that’s nice elites wanted us to join the covenant and respected us and funny thing we’re on tier 5 actually early tier 4 at the moment
@unthawedwater747
@unthawedwater747 4 года назад
I'd say it's more like we're tier 4 slowly moving into tier 3.
@JonathanBell-xl4dl
@JonathanBell-xl4dl Год назад
​@@unthawedwater747 we're about to be blasted back to tier six.
@Eddwardsroseresfoo
@Eddwardsroseresfoo 6 лет назад
I want a 2 hour video
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Oh lord that would take some serious work time haha
@McCbobbish
@McCbobbish 5 лет назад
Good video, but one gripe. Tier 3 includes usable slipspace technology. Tier 2 is refined slipspace. The UNSC is tier 3 at the beginning of the war, and are just starting to break into tier 2 by the end
@louronyautja
@louronyautja 6 лет назад
Great, interesting, and well put together video man. Would it be possible to do a video like this about the predators?
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
perhaps further down the line, I am just now starting to get into the doom series
@louronyautja
@louronyautja 6 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming Down the line is no problem my friend lol. As long as it is considered, I'm thankful lol. Definitely looking forward to it, take your time man. If you need any help, I'd be glad to lend a hand on some things I know.
@Servellion
@Servellion 6 лет назад
Ok. Sangheili are more than just sentient. They are sapient like us. Sentient is anything that can percieve and feel things. Your dog is sentient. Sapients can graps and understand abstractions like symbols and structured language. You use sentient a lot in this vids and it'd be nice if it were more accurately used.
@nobleregret5314
@nobleregret5314 5 лет назад
So r grunts
@bananamanstrikesback5553
@bananamanstrikesback5553 6 лет назад
More lore!you are awesome!
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Thanks bro! glad you like it!
@NEDARBESORAL
@NEDARBESORAL 5 лет назад
Id gladly listen to you talk for 2 hours man I absolutely love your videos your one of my favorite youtubers.
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 5 лет назад
Well thank you man! glad you enjoy the videos that much :)
@wardeneternal9040
@wardeneternal9040 5 лет назад
4:39 a wild hooman has appeared
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 5 лет назад
Always the random humans!
@oreosplease4076
@oreosplease4076 5 лет назад
Stupid Homo Sapiens
@CCPwillfall01
@CCPwillfall01 6 лет назад
I love you're videos but the framerate is killing my eyes
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
yah, my recording equipment at this point was...not so great, but my new videos do not suffer from this issue!
@BloomingFields
@BloomingFields 6 лет назад
The average human is only as tall as an elites leg
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
we are the grunts to elites lol
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
696969 subscribers With zero videos hey humans can be cute like what you call Dogs
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming no more like your Earth Dogs
@nobleregret5314
@nobleregret5314 5 лет назад
@@RoanokeGaming i am a grunt
@valtersplume3726
@valtersplume3726 5 лет назад
@@RoanokeGaming then how do the actual grunts look like next to Elites?
@AtomicCorvid
@AtomicCorvid 6 лет назад
Great exploration of the lore! Very cool history. The tech tier video sounds awesome!
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Thanks broseph! Gonna start cracking on the Tech tiers probably within the next couple of vidyas!
@midasthestallion4105
@midasthestallion4105 2 года назад
Ummm...actually I would totally like an in-depth video from you that was 2hrs. You've got that Documentary themed voice down and you do your research. Your vids are freaking awesome.
@Snow.Frostborne_Ch
@Snow.Frostborne_Ch 5 лет назад
3:05 I don’t know my man I’m already on like a 4 hour binge
@lrballistics
@lrballistics 3 года назад
"And I don't think you guys would want to hear me talk for that long" Uh, the fuck we don't!
@explainedunexplained6819
@explainedunexplained6819 3 года назад
Roanoke- "I don't think you guys want to hear me talk that long" Me- "is that a challenge"?
@axeltavarez1367
@axeltavarez1367 Год назад
Broanoke now that I'm getting around to watching the oldanoke videos I would love for more HaLore on the channel but hey I'm just one dude.
@honeybunnyabernathy143
@honeybunnyabernathy143 5 лет назад
Yet again mind blown 💥💥
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 5 лет назад
yaaaaas glad you enjoyed it!
@goosemanVEVO
@goosemanVEVO 6 лет назад
Very good video quality! You deserve much more than you have.
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
one day I will get there! thank you for the compliment!
@houselightkell
@houselightkell 6 лет назад
You should make a video on the Composer in Halo4 and how it works
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
I may have to pick up engineering for that one! haha
@puppylord3707
@puppylord3707 2 года назад
we just don't got the time for that i don't know why but that killed me
@heftymagic4814
@heftymagic4814 6 лет назад
The elites were very smart without the rest of the covenant
@chrisreilly1290
@chrisreilly1290 Год назад
I love the culture of the Elites
@lethis196
@lethis196 Год назад
If you ever make a 2 hour doc of halo id watch it
@torynnielsen5646
@torynnielsen5646 3 года назад
Hell I wouldn't mind a 2 hour halo lore lesson 🤣. I really hope we get a high budget halo movie or tv series soon. It doesn't even have to be live action.
@mikelopez5214
@mikelopez5214 6 лет назад
Love the lore videos. Youre giving hiddenxperia a run for his money lol
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
I will definitely give it my best shot! One day I can work up to that amount of lore haha
@JimmyTheGhost16
@JimmyTheGhost16 3 года назад
I appreciate it being 3 43 vs 343. It rolls off the tongue better.
@LillianAredhel
@LillianAredhel 6 лет назад
I'd actually love to hear you talk for two hours, lmao.
@honeybunnyabernathy143
@honeybunnyabernathy143 5 лет назад
That be cool 2hour video on lore and morphology
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 5 лет назад
Quite possible! haha
@JointedSpagel
@JointedSpagel 6 лет назад
I would love more videos about human interactions with other species. And what those aliens think of humanity
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Ill see if I can find something like that!
@lunokhod3937
@lunokhod3937 6 лет назад
Awesome video I love to learn about anything halo. Just a note, the term solar system refers to only our system as our star is named sol, hence *sol*ar. A different system would inherit the name of it's star(s) and the general term for a system is just a star system.
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
I didnt know that! Very interesting!
@bootleg686
@bootleg686 6 лет назад
Do the Shangheli remind anyone else of the Turians from Mass Effect? To me they seem really similar.
@pasteyboi9918
@pasteyboi9918 3 года назад
Haha flood the market very punny
@HighLordGungeon
@HighLordGungeon 4 года назад
Anyone know what the clip of the Elite standing on the hill with the cape at around 20 seconds in is from? I've really been dying to figure it out.
@terrelldurocher3330
@terrelldurocher3330 3 года назад
Pretty sure it's halo origins.
@dylanowzlerdevsk6941
@dylanowzlerdevsk6941 5 лет назад
It's all fun and games in Covenant debrief until the Grunts start yelling "Follow the leader"
@lawindacera7219
@lawindacera7219 2 года назад
Rewatching this today, we might not make it past tier 5
@filipelouro1482
@filipelouro1482 6 лет назад
Best youtube channel ever mate !
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Thanks bro! I am glad you like the channel that much!
@filipelouro1482
@filipelouro1482 6 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming yes i enjoy it very much ! Especially this halo and titanfall vidios. Love the rest of the content though
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
excellent! I actually have a video going over the brutes from halo coming out soon!
@filipelouro1482
@filipelouro1482 6 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming great!!, since im a medicine and also a fisics nerd i really get interested in you're content. Keep up the GREAT work !✌💪👌🏋️‍♂️
@blugaledoh2669
@blugaledoh2669 6 лет назад
9:00 Interesting theory.
@michelefornovotapia2600
@michelefornovotapia2600 6 лет назад
I would like to see a video of you explaining why the covenant hated humans so much.
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Thats a good idea!
@sirfrancis8732
@sirfrancis8732 3 года назад
The very short yet still very accurate answer to why the covenant hated us: we invalidated their entire religion purely by existing.
@bonniesmith8778
@bonniesmith8778 6 лет назад
At time 1: 50 it's not that it's just that message Chief knows what the f*** is doing LOL
@beastwarsFTW
@beastwarsFTW 2 года назад
I find it ironic that elites culture shares a lot with ancient spartans on Earth.
@happeninggood1458
@happeninggood1458 3 года назад
Hey Roanoke Gaming what would happen if reaper from mass effect vs flood from halo
@edward7336
@edward7336 9 месяцев назад
I always liked the Elites
@Weeohhweeohh
@Weeohhweeohh 3 года назад
This is a comment. Thanks for the content!
@DatsunBloke7357
@DatsunBloke7357 5 лет назад
Wort wort wort
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 5 лет назад
Get to the wort wort worthog
@bombingpotato4490
@bombingpotato4490 6 лет назад
What did it have to do with hand to hand combat against elites
@andrewofthebloodcrusaders7175
@andrewofthebloodcrusaders7175 4 года назад
i wonder what the covenants/ elites thoughts would be if they stumbled upon the Imperium of Man in 40k. would they be the same as in halo thinking humans were weaklings or would they be shitting bricks
@kasrkin100
@kasrkin100 3 года назад
Xeelee: yo, over our death body you WH40K toxic fanbase
@doughboii4192
@doughboii4192 6 лет назад
Old Video I know but have you thought about doing one for the Brutes?
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
I have! And I definitely plan to
@nobleregret5314
@nobleregret5314 5 лет назад
Unless ur a brute or elite or hunter
@HighLordGungeon
@HighLordGungeon 4 года назад
What were those animated videos playing in the background called?
@mrziiz6893
@mrziiz6893 4 года назад
You know you forgot one thing in the morphology section? How dem those lizards screw each other?
@PBST_RAIDZ
@PBST_RAIDZ 2 года назад
A naked elite looks like a ...
@joshaqy
@joshaqy 5 лет назад
3:06 Now that's a lie I would want to hear you go on and on about biology centric Halo lore.
@chicitizen
@chicitizen 3 года назад
They're just Predators from the film franchise that didn't make the cut.
@Some_Random_Asshole
@Some_Random_Asshole 5 лет назад
You said tier 2: interstellar, they colonize many many solar systems or something like that. But there's only one SOLAR system, our solar system, all the others are star systems. Our star system is called the solar system because our sun is called sol, or is referred to as solar in some cases, that's why you'd also hear sol system. 1 solar system or sol system, many star systems.
@rayzor181
@rayzor181 6 лет назад
But how do they eat tho? The food would just fall out the bottom of their mouths
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Probably tilt their heads back to eat
@tylermoore2942
@tylermoore2942 6 лет назад
Predators vs elites! !!!! who would win.
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
They are very similar in size and Mouths so who knows!
@tylermoore2942
@tylermoore2942 6 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming my money is on the predator when it comes to strength since they have shown to be able to jump ten times their height and punch through solid concrete also their able to rip spines out bare handed.
@GhostPotato268
@GhostPotato268 6 лет назад
Predators have more firepower but elites have better armor. Predators and elites might have similar strengh but elites are more agile and they have better battle tactics because they are soldiers, not just hunters like the predators. It's like an alligator vs a crocodile, too much similarities.
@tylermoore2942
@tylermoore2942 6 лет назад
Dominik Sontowski actually predator armor is no joke ethier...also predators do know how to fight like soldiers and use strategies...their civil war with the super predators has lasted far longer than the war with the covenant and also when it comes to agility I would give it to the predators...since they can jump ten times their height.
@Unbidsumo
@Unbidsumo 5 лет назад
What’s the intro song?
@Turtles21
@Turtles21 2 года назад
Yuo**
@gladiatordude3723
@gladiatordude3723 6 лет назад
Sangheli jesus
@tymirchance5529
@tymirchance5529 6 лет назад
Doe anyone know the song intro?
@gibby8540
@gibby8540 6 лет назад
Do brutes next after part 3 of this of course
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Hmmm a part 3, I am not sure what I would do for part 3! Perhaps going back and watching what I covered might help, but brutes are going to be the next halo video I cover!
@TaCo0oCaT
@TaCo0oCaT 6 лет назад
Dear Roanoke, if you think of an idea for a video, you should do it! Don't doubt yourself, it's gonna be awesome. You can do no wrong. Also, you have a degree in biology, right? If anyone complains, just show them your certificate and yell "FUCK YOU, I'M A SCIENTIST!" I don't think I can say this enough, but as a fellow scientist to another: Your content is awesome, love your vids man!
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Thanks bro! I appreciate the sentiment! I am glad you like the content bro, Which science have you specialized in??
@TaCo0oCaT
@TaCo0oCaT 6 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming no problem man! Neuroscience :^)
@happeninggood1458
@happeninggood1458 3 года назад
Halo is good
@helljumperomega5151
@helljumperomega5151 6 лет назад
Elites remind me, in quite a lot of ways, of Mandalorians from Star Wars.
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Interesting idea!
@tylermoore2942
@tylermoore2942 6 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming do a vs video with predators vs elites or elites vs madolorians plz.
@isseisato1689
@isseisato1689 6 лет назад
But a better question can we mate with them ?
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
according to the internet in some cases yes, if halo were real, why would you want to? do you find alligators sexy?
@jarrettwhitlow8700
@jarrettwhitlow8700 6 лет назад
Swords of Sanghelios indeed
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
Issei Sato uh that's why we think humans are like Dogs cute but Goofy
@theputnamto3468
@theputnamto3468 6 лет назад
ive noticed a somewhat contradiction. in the begining you said they have a war poem for their family that details their families triumphs in battle. then you go on to say that the children dont know their fathers and get by on their own merits, and not their merits of their fathers. so do they know their families histories or not?
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
It runs through the female side of their family as well as like uncles and what not
@theputnamto3468
@theputnamto3468 6 лет назад
this is still confusing me, instead of being proud and saying "my dad is so and so, im better than you" instead they can say "my family is so and so, im better than you"
@eragonbromsson1122
@eragonbromsson1122 5 лет назад
Ancient Humans was Tier 2 not 1.
@thelewdlenoodle9111
@thelewdlenoodle9111 6 лет назад
Let's hear you talk for 2 hours
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
that would be BRUTAL
@t80nukes2
@t80nukes2 6 лет назад
Why the fuck would I fist fight a elite that's as strong as a Spartan no I'm an idiot
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
ever heard the phrase "Smoke em if you got em"? basically, as a last resort, you would turn to hand to hand combat, you would lose, but you would try haha
@t80nukes2
@t80nukes2 6 лет назад
@@RoanokeGaming you mean in simple term curl up and cry good idea but I got a better one say your friend is a heritic and run away
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
Roanoke Gaming He would be like a Marine brave ones I seen charge into Elite soldiers Elites about 20 VS 1 Marine the marine took down 2 Elites before one elite grabbed him thrown him into a Tree. he limped away only to fall in water and reached up to the air and blasted by 18 Elites.
@tuljuran3689
@tuljuran3689 5 лет назад
T80 Nukes marines are brave sometimes
@christianresel8051
@christianresel8051 3 года назад
Yea well, most of the time they oneshot Spartans in CQC (wich lorewise is wrong, their nowhere near powerfull enogh to combat Spartan II's headon, even the Arbiter falls short by several orders of magnitute, thou GAMEPLAY and BALLANCE!). If you want a proper, realistic halo experience, play on easy because chief could stem more than a ton, so imagine what a punch of him would do to you. That said , the duel showed us what they are and how they live. Samurai at heart, so basicaly ONE SPARTAN BEING JAPANESE would END the entire war INSTANTLY, turning the Elites instantly in basicaly telling them "yo, we had the same problem with cristianity on earth, some wrong prophets told us shit and some belived that, ending in bloddy war's. But we are the same Honorwise" (thats also why in the package chief lost that easily against an elite in sword combat, their basicaly samurai, a mere NORMAL human cant hope to win at swordplay against them) The only problem would be that they basicaly HAD A HALO RIGHT OVER THEIR PLANET, althou if one "oracle" can change one of the best of them to beliving "it weapon, it no religion" Then a Samurai, given enogh time, could come to an understanding and thus peace.
@SirDankleberry
@SirDankleberry 4 года назад
I like the fact the respect humans because we never give up even when facing overwhelming odds.
@TheQwetot
@TheQwetot 6 лет назад
But... But... I wanna 2h video long.... ; (
@RoanokeGaming
@RoanokeGaming 6 лет назад
Haha it would take FOREVER to get out! Maybe one day!
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