The Enclave Isn't Dead | Fallout 5 

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What if in Fallout 5 we start out as a member of the Enclave and we get the choice to ether stick with the Enclave or leave it for another faction?

The thing that leads me to believe the Enclave still exist. If they went as far as they did that have a contingency plan after the Great War who's to say they didn't have a backup plan in place in case any bad scenarios happened in the future

If the Enclave Navy is still canon, that would be a cool place to start. Since a ship could turn up anywhere. You’re a recently un-vaulted dweller and you stumble upon a community built around a large navy vessel. It’s guarded by power armored soldiers and they don’t just trade with anyone. You run some errands for them and prove you’re capable and loyal. They invite you inside and you learned that they’re a community built from an Enclave Remnant. That or in Chicago.

Chicago is actually mentioned in new vegas lonesome road by those ed-e enclave tape that he plays sometimes

Really even in Broken Steel they had already set up a out of state "Enclave High Command" while having Squad Sigma coming from secret locations there too, plus Richter mentioning them in Far Harbor, so safe to say BGS is not done with them even without Chicago and MODUS. Personally though i would love to see the Navy that was mention in Wasteland Warfare, where they do still have a few pre-war battleships still in service, sure that's "soft canon" until actually mention in game but actually seeing a part of the Enclave that been "Battlestar Galactica"-ing around since the lose of the oil rig just has some strong story potential.

That picture sequence truly messes with me😂

Modus sitting in Appalachia thinking "what the heck am i, chopped liver?"

The Enclave should be a joinable faction in Fallout 5, and raiders should be friendly to players with very evil karma. Ideally Col. Autumn would be available as a companion and you could persuade him to either re-join the Enclave or continue living in a vault (assuming Fallout Shelter is canon)

Protagonist should be enclave, an officer, that is frozen, when you wake, you choose how to mold your fate, to the directives of the Enclave or your own subjective path. Why cant we be some grey moral compass badasses for once?

Aint there a character in the children of atom in far harbor that was from D.C that was an enclave member

If I remember correctly John Henry eden isn't actually killed in the ending of fallout 3, after you do broken steel or during you can tune into the enclave radio station and you can still hear him and if you don't help the enclave he will basically shit talk you on air if I remember correctly

With how lazy Bethesda's writing has been, allowing the players to join or start as an Enclave member will be an easy crowd pleasing decision.

Why does anyone think, that Enclave is dead? Both Lyons, if you ask them about it, will quickly dismiss that idea as nonsense In Broken Steel, Enclave receive commands from High Command, which is located outside of CW The same can be said about Sigma Squad. They came from outside of CW and there are multiple of them. Also, in CW we only encountered military and one research facility. Do you really think, that Enclave produce PA, Vertibirds and other equipment in Raven Rock and Adams AFB?

I want an Enclave group that isn't led by a group of genocidal psychopaths, but similar in doctrine to Owen Lyon's BoS (preferably the BOS will be missing from this installment entirely) protecting the denizens of the region from legions of multiple high-tech Slaver Raider gangs united under one dictatorial figure maybe the BoS could show up in a DLC where you have to either negotiate peace or choose one faction and eliminate the other, or Subvert both

It is entirely possible the survivors of Raven Rock and Adams Airforce could have fled to Appalachia knowing their was a base potentially there, but before running for their lives fear of if the sorch plague wasn't solved kept them north. Personally though there is a surviving Enclave Remnant on the East Coast, I'd personally go with we make Ashur wining in pit canon and he took in the surviving Enclave members, realizing their scientific and military knowledge would greatly aid his long term plan to use the cure made from his daughter to start reforming The Pitt into an actual state you didn't have to force people to stay in by slavery. Also this would provided us an opportunity to fix the Maxson circle jerk lore of Fallout 4, and reveal the truth that a "Supermutant Uprising" after the vault was destroyed was complete BS, and it was all actually a plot by the Outcasts to put an impressionable young Maxson in charge. The kicker however, when coming south to try and establish contact with the BoS of Steel and pay his respects to Elder Lyons Sr. Grave, Ash actually interrupted the Outcast assassination of Sarah, but pursued by the Outcasts he was forced to retreat back to The Pitt and by the time he did Sarah's condition had deteriorated enough the Enclave Medical Scientists could only save her life by putting her in a protype cryotube they had found. Why the Enclave survivors would help Sarah you may ask, basically because the story would reveal she had the chance to massacre the survivors of Adams Airforce, but let them flee, not wanting to gun down a group of mostly the civilian Enclave members. The story I'd go with however is set in either Philadelphia or NY ST (one would be DLC for the other), where Maxson returning from a half successful (ie Minutemen won and called a new CPG) ending in Fallout 4 runs into New Keystone (The name of Ashur's Fledgling State) expanding east, with an aging Ashur having pursued a lead to finally find the medical tech to heal Sarah, while bringing these people into his state, which has very much adopted the counter ideal to the BoS of fixing the world with tech, and even went so far as they've been taking in Institute Refugees. Things however turn into a military stand off with the locals (including the player) caught in the middle where in short succession 1. A mysterious Eyebot shows up an transmits an activation code to a local air base AA battery that causes the Prydwen to crash land, and 2. The Assassination of Ashur as he's headed to help survivors of the Prydwen crash landing. This all in all leads both the New Keystone (Ashur's Pitt) and the Bos into conflict as they each believe the other responsible for the attack on them, which is made worse by 1. Ashur's successor as leader is the Leader of the Enclave survivors, 2. New Keystone's military is led by a daughter of Augustus Autumn, who never really got over daddy's death by the BoS, and 3. Ashur's daughters has just been thrust into a leadership roll with her father's death that despite her Miracle Child status and father's training, she is so not ready for having to deal with Maxson and The Former Enclave Leaders locking horns into a what will end up a death match between their factions due to ideals and mutual distrust.

Now we know the enclave is alive since the show. I found that a lot of people who are fans of 1 and 2 are upset about this, but considering the time difference, I think it makes sense that such an organization would figure out some way to reconstitute.

Personally I would like to see some new factions in the next game. Every time we get the same factions it just breaks the lore even more.

Narrator: "There's very little discussion about the Enclave in Fallout4, they don't show up." America Rising 2, Atlas Summit Redux, Minutemen-Enclave-overhaul, etc... : "And we took that personally."

They are probably in Canada since it is still part of American in fallout so i believe that the rest of the remnants went to Canada why do i think that its simple because the brother hood doesn't know about Canada

I would love to join the Enclave in future fallout titles and maybe help reform them into a fraction that is morally good or win the game with as the same old Enclave.

I really liked the enclave as enemies they scared the piss out of me as a kid because they were so OP in the capital waste and California

Where has this channel been my entire life

ED-E mentions a enclave in chicago so a enclave totally there

No way Enclave is extinct. They are organizationally like the Brotherhood: The destruction of merely one cell or one chapter (even two or three) does not mean 100% is destroyed. So far canonically, only two chapters of Enclave have been eradicated: the genocidal one in the west on the oil rig run by President Richardson and the one in the east run by President Eden (political leadership) and Colonel Autumn (military leadership).

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The only way i can imagine, if the game does not play after Fallout 4. Maybe playing during Fallout 3 on a very different location, or before that. In FNV we know, that the Enclave of the west coast is destroyed, and the BoS destroyed it on the east coast. And there was no retaliation. I can imagine them holding out in Canada, or Alaska, and should the game play there they could be destroyed again. But i wouldn't. They are already overused.

I was pissed you couldn't join the Enclave. I mean in New Vegas Ceaser was FAR move insidious than the Enclave so it was strange you couldn't join them.

Yk. Modus in Appalachia is rebuilding the enclave with is players in fallout 76. Safe to say the enclave wont be going anywhere soon.

Lol the AI generated fallout pictures zooming in and out is very disorienting. Glad I tabbed out and just listened.

Great Vid Man! I still say we need the weekend shorts dance though!

The beginning absolutely tripped me out bro. I want that on my wall. Just endless zooming.

I would say, take a break from the Enclave and try doing a mystery plot in a previously unvisited region such as Chicago, Florida, or Texas, with a new enemy, revealed bit by bit through quests like Fallout 1. Having people related to the Enclave as companions is a possibility.

What about other enclave remnants infiltrating the ncr explaining why the ncr has the same problems as the old world

The Enclave of Fo3 does not belong to John Henry Eden and it can be backed by a pretty front-and-center evidence of playing the game all normal. When the Lone Wanderer leaves his holding Cell in Raven Rock, the "President" tells the Soldiery to stand down, but the moment Colonel Autumn makes an Announcement with an order that contradicts the President's order, who do they listen to? Soldiers didn't even flinch. You don't hear of President loyalists who stayed neutral to you, but everyone immediately jumped up to shoot you as was the order of the Colonel.

15:10 their is Brian Richter in far harbor. He used to be a member of the enclave.

The enclave has already gone extinct. They only has A.I

They are comin back from their space station. After all ... the vault experiments were build to see what they would have to endure on a long timespann in space.

Here's a crazy idea: Maybe Bethesda could have a single original idea of their own, instead of infinitely recycling Fallout 1+2 content, badly? In my opinion, the only good re-appearance of the Enclave is the remnants in New Vegas, which served as a bookend to some of the events in Fallout 2, and also served to humanize some of their members. As opposed to "Look how evil we are!" Fallout 3 Enclave.

Be nice if in fallout 5 that you could work with them

honestly i'd like to see the enclave in texas, that way we could also have legion to fight. Who's background could resemble the fall and separation of the two romes. This time i'd rather the enclave be good guys. Instead of actually everything bos haters say the bos are.

Fallout New Vegas takes place before Fallout 3 the Enclave remnants in New Vegas are from Control Station Enclave which is the Enclave contingent in Fallout 2.

I think there's a good possibility Florida is an enclave secondary high command I say this because in are own world are most important navel base is in Florida and would make a definite possibility

had my own idea. like taking place in Michigan and Detroit being the setting. The Enclave there split into two factions. The Neo Enclave who started to loose faith in their ways and drop the gen0cide but the ones that fractured off calling themselves The True Patriots wanting to continue the plan of killing off everyone and having an army of super mutants they made to fight for them. Detroit in the Fallout timeline would have been a power house during the war as weapons, power armor and such would be made there and a reason why the Enclave long ago took up post. After the main HQ was destroyed Fallout 2 that would be the catalyst which would make this civil war start So in this case the Enclave are the good guys but more neutral. Cold but not cruel.

The enclave is never truly gone, there's always more somewhere else to replace them. Also, I hope they are never truly wiped out, because I love that armour.

Enclave has vaults too

Plenty of oil rigs probably left around. I would be surprised if they didnt have many, many more bunkers...if they were in Raven Rock and White Springs, they would be in Mt. Chyanne, and other bunkers or vaults, on islands, mountain tops, airctaft carriers or large naval infastructure and especially they would be in submarines, maybe even doomsday aircraft like Airforce 1, which is a major part of the continuity of government plan. In 200 years not only could you build and equip an army, you could potentially train and eqip DOZENS of them

It's possible that there's a large remnant contingency up in Toronto or east of Alaska, because before the Battle of Anchorage, the U.S annexed Canada.

I like the theory that they are in space waiting

If the enclave retorna then it should be as a new force kinda like the Neo Enclave being a force of good! I mean a whole restructuring of the organization with a civil war of sorts to change the way it functions cause dear God the wasteland needs more morally good factions especially after the brotherhood of steel fiasco of fallout 4

Chicago would be a strategically very useful location. Fun fact: Chicago is a MAJOR train hub. Most of the passemger train lines crossing the US converge on Chicago.

I mean, there’s the entire United States, and just because a few bases were destroyed means the whole faction is gone?

A Story were the Enclave wins! We gotta end Those Muties!

You could also have minutemen and maybe railroad from Boston siding withnthe brotherhood to defend from the enclave with mixed followers of the apocalypse on either side as well. Also more than one companion would be nice.

The enclave is in fallout 76 located in whitespring

They sadly will probably show back as a minor power they have suffered two major setbacks I feel bad because fallout 3 they really aren’t given the light of day since autumn could have easily reformed the Enclave he knew they where being too harsh on the wastelanders but Bethesda wrote them into evil mustache villain sad

Of course the enclave isnt dead. Think of the brand recognition.

Reads: Enclave will return! What I see: how to drag a corpse around for 20 years

we know that you can run into left over enclave soldiers after finishing the main quest of fallout 3 its not impossible that the rest of them regrouped and reached out to any possible still operating enclave bunkers in america ...

They should make the enclave a playable faction. I installed America Rising 2 mod for Fallout 4, most fun I have had playing fallout 4.

No. The Enclave is dead. Please let them stay dead. I don't think any of you people truly understand how devastating the Enclave's destruction at the end of Fallout 2 was. You really ought to play that game some time. The Enclave really shouldn't have been featured in Fallout 3 in the first place. What New Vegas got right is that there would only be a handful of septuagenarians in hiding. That's it. I mean, seriously, take this one into consideration: What if the Fallout IP were purchased by another company who proceeded to make Fallout 5, and decided that the Institute was a crucial part of the IP. So imagine if the plot of Fallout 5 established the destruction of the Institute as canon, but brought them back in full force as an antagonistic faction in another part of the country, operating out of a second hidden base that was never referred or alluded to in Fallout 4? Wouldn't that seem lame to you? Wouldn't that cheapen your victory over them in the previous game?

Chicago was mentioned in FNV in ED-E’s recordings

I want them to be the misunderstood good guys this time around

The next-gen update to fallout 4 added the enclave remenants

a lot of people are saying Chicago and the Enclave Navy, but what i wanna see, what is china like is it completely gone, how different are the mutations and did china set up and bases in case of a nuclear war? something i don’t see talked about very much.

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I really hope the new fallout we play as the enclave with a story of an enclave member who secretly defected before the bombs and had his own vault where he created soldier which is you to bring back the true American ideals and you create your own faction within the enclave and have options where you can either compromise with NCR bos or destroy them

Literally all I want is a game where the enclave isn’t particularly evil? Or atleast joinable. I want factions like fallout 4 but more broad

I want to build my own faction in fallout 5 with the capabilities of the BOS & Minutemen type options. And be able to either take over the BOS and Enclave with a new Villain to replace the institute

One theory I like that I’d like any input on is another enclave/vault tec helped destroy the oil rig in fallout 2. It would make sense, that with the vertibird refuelling stations soldiers from another top secret enclave were discreetly stationed at Navarro up until the chosen one left for the oil rig to allow the chosen one, super mutant and deathclaw to destroy a rogue faction gone insane aka Richardson. with this it would make sense that the us government that still hasn’t revealed itself has plans for the wasteland that need mutants in some way and it’s too early to release the fev

I can confirm that they are still here

What would be a neat idea as part of the main campaign, is that you are introduced to the setting as a vault dweller on the surface who gets hired to help crack-open a pre-war vault which a group of treasure hunters found. During the vault-hunt, you have to find a way to shut down the security systems in a massive complex (turrets, sentry's, doors). Though during the operation, you find that you only shut off the back-up power supply that was powering the emergency security measures, and will need to get the main power supply back online to access the armory that the treasure hunters want to get into as they assume that the worst of it is over. Turns out, turning on the main power supply has begun the de-frosting process of the sleeping enclave army (similar to when you use the chip to wake up the robot army in NV) which causes you to have to run to the exit of the vault as the soldiers exiting cyro sleep spot the intruders through a window and a offer orders your group to be captured. Thus your group has to escape the facility as the alarms are blaring and the facility is coming back online, so when you finally make it to the exit you are stopped right at the door when a soldier commands you to halt or be fired upon (you're the last one out so the other are already on the other side as the vault door that is starting to close) which gives you the quick time option of Choice A) Keep Running or Choice B) Surrender. Choice A) results in you making it out the door in time to hear the soldier who told you to stop command another to stop the door as you make it outside. Choice B) results in you stopping as the door closes and you see the others get away, uncertain of your fate after the door closes. This would allow you as the player to be interrogated, learning about the enclave as the enclave learns about the world outside. Choice A) Break out of interrogation after a few days and sneak out of the bunker / vault disguised as an enclave officer. Choice B) Agree to work with the Enclave as their eyes on the outside while they make plans to set up outposts and bases. This would be a non-traditional story, where by siding with the enclave you are not the underdog. Rather you will earn your way up the ranks by helping them expand, but through their actions end up rallying all the other major players (factions) into an alliance against them. So instead of building an empire, you're restoring an empire only to find there are enemies on all sides and have to deal with the struggle as their agent to keep the empire from falling (so to speak). A lot of games put you in the position of the underdog trying to usurp the main power, but rarely do you get to play the role of the main power / threat / villain that struggles to maintain the kingdom. Though in this case, I'd hope things would be more morally grey. Though knowing Bethesda, they can't write a compelling main plotline to save their company. Fallout 3's main plot had a good premise and was semi-memorable, but could have used some polish. Fallout 4 was a rough premise with weird design choices, then was memorable for bad reasons. Skyrim's main plot had a great premise, but an awful execution that got outclassed by both its main DLC. Then Starfield was just an idea that died on landing, as the plot hardly caught much attention and is not memorable while a rare few side quests were well designed.

I just need a fallout where the enclave is a joinable faction. Thatd be sick. It never made anys sense to me why they werent joinable in the original fallout or a faction at all in 4, especially considering the player character is an unirradiated vault dweller.

What if the Enclave used synths as Soldiers

I destroyed the Enclave in FO3. After defeated the Enclave a Super mutant joins you as a companion. You missed this mission. Why does a fusion power cell only power your POWER ARMOR for a short period of time but powers a giant electric generator forever. HOW? The trick to FO3 is exploration. There are many characters and locations you wouldn't discover following the main or sub quests. The Rat King, and the Super Mutant companion or two that come to mind.

It would be fun to have a game where the enclave IS the protagonist clearing out scum in one part of the country or even be the anti-hero that goes against vault dwellers over some mcguffin.

My faction wishlist for fallout 5: Brotherhood NCR Enclave

Welp. You just gave me an idea for a book. Cheers

Enclave, gunners, raiders. It's all getting old. Time to come up with something new.

I do hope for a “new Vegas 2”, but not a literal one. But another “spin-off” like new Vegas that continues the story of the west Coast. Bethesda can focus on East of the Mississippi while obsidian handles the west.

I’ve always thought it would be interesting to be a politician that’s saved from government issued bunkers to see what happened during to the American government maybe see the president at the time

I'm late to this podcast gem but an awesome concept with Enclave vs. Brotherhood for a Fallout 5. New Vegas 2 would be very cool, especially with the TV series.

One of the children of atom members at far harbor was ex enclave

JHE (Jhon Henry Eden) is one of three zax protocols the enclave has, with modus who is the "leader" loose on the word leader of the enclave high command in the white spring bunker, high command being where all of the smaller groups get their orders, of course in 76 we learn communications are down and its the players who are tasked with brining communications back online so the whole enclave can begin its mission, so we know of two of the three zax that they have the only other zax we see was fallout 76 vault 95 where ZAX the zax protocol became rouge, but that zax isn't a part of the enclave so as far as i know we see three zax ai, but only two are used in the enclave which unless I'm missing one from the first two games that leaves one zax in the enclave that's unknown to us for now meaning the command chain can very well be intact its all the communication lines are not

fallout 5 could have a dumb (deep underground military base) in Appalachia where they placed a sizable force around the time that the oil rig was destroyed, where they perfected their study into creating super soldiers due to the importance of this location it would explain why they didn't send and reinforcements to the oil rig because they wanted to keep the location and the research hidden. the enclave would definitely want to release some kind of agent to kill the supermutants, deathclaws, and ghouls around this invaluable location to keep this base hidden. obviously knowing the brotherhood is a threat that they would need to remove and the enclave making their soldiers super soldiers they could come out with a better version of their power armor that is more advanced than the brotherhood power armor. what would top this off would be if we played as one of these new version super soldiers and the story could go one of two ways you could go scorched earth and destroy all the other factions by continuing to work with the enclave or throughout the interactions with the wastladers they change their mind about the enclave and assist the other factions but get hunted by the enclave soldiers. another idea would be that the enclave finds out that vault-tech did make it to space and the enclave finds a way to bring down the vault-tech space base.

This makes even more sense after the amazon show

Correction, he was also from Fallout 2 and he does give you a cyber dog.

After the capital wasteland they could push South

The famous meme from Spongebob to the enclave. How many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man.

I love MODUS tho. I hope he becomes a big lore piece in the future.

If we're going to do enclave again and I love the idea of them in cryo freeze until modus gets everything ready for a army to emerge but let us have them win no plot armor giant robot reboot to kill them all give us the option to see what happens if the enclave would regain the wasteland

I hope we run into Vault 69 in Fallout 5

I'd be down with the Enclave coming back, but I think it'd be cool if they were more morally grey or even a good guy faction

FO4's factions were so lame, or generally assholes, I may as well join the biggest assholes the Enclave in FO5 so I can be on top. lol Also how about this for FO5: Alien invasion: Enclave vs Zeta. Different factions have to band together to fight off invaders from space.

fallout 76 while not liked by many of us fans, added more lore for the Enclave

The Enclave should come Colorado Springs Clolorado. Google the military bases in that area

It really depends where 5 tales place. I could believe, for example, that there were still Enclave remnants on the eat coast. After all, even after we blow up their base, we still have Enclave vertibirds show up. Drop off soldiers to attack us, and then fly away. Most likely, they have a base we don't know about, possibly just outside the capital wasteland, but close enough to launch attacks. My guess? Either somewhere in the ruins of DC, in an underground bunker, or in another big city nearby. There's Baltimore, Richmond, Philladelphia, New York City (it's only a couple hundred miles by vertibird. It'd take an hour and a half by plane). There's also other places that had big importance prewar, like the old CIA headquarters in Langley. The one place I can say they likely don't have a presence is Boston. The Enclave almost certainly would have tried to go after the Institute, and they probably got wiped out in the Commonwealth. Institute tech is superior to Enclave tech, and with limitless synth soldiers, they'd probably make quick work of any Enclave detachment. If there are remnants in Boston or the Commonwealth, they might have come to some kind of agreement not to interfere with the Institute in exchange for tech or not interfering with Enclave operations outside of the Commonwealth. Maybe they got spanked the same way that Maxson's BOS did in the Institute ending. Perhaps that's the real story behind the destruction of the Commonwealth Provisional Government. Maybe it was an Enclave project and the people chosen were Enclave operatives. Maybe the Institute saw this, got mad, and decided to teach the Enclave a lesson. Maybe they decided to retreat from the Commonwealth after that and focus on DC. I do notice that Colonel Autumn's coat looks similar to a Courser uniform, color aside. Is it possible he's a synth? It would explain his surviving the intense radiation. If he is, maybe there is some sort of agreement in place.

There are even better reasons to be an Enclave member than what you say: Who wants to be out there in the wasteland living a precarious life as a scavver or raider when you can be in the Enclave??? Besides, no Enclave chapter we have met in canon games recruited from outside. You had to be born to it. However, somewhere out there, there can be an Enclave chapter that recruits wastelanders just like Lyons Pride and Midwestern Brotherhood of Steel did but that would also make them equally rogue (perhaps because hundreds of years and being isolated from presidents may make them think there is no higher authority left than their own Enclave cell).

they better be a joinable faction...

You forgot to mention Hawaii and Anchorage for enclave bases