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The End Of Aviation Fuel 100 LL Is Coming 

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In a historic move, global regulators have announced that 100 low lead (100LL) aviation fuel will be banned by 2030. This decision underscores a broader push towards environmental sustainability and mitigating climate change, and it's poised to have significant ramifications for the aviation sector.
Understanding 100LL
100LL aviation gasoline, also known simply as avgas, has long been the fuel of choice for many piston-engine aircraft. Despite its widespread use, concerns about its environmental impact, particularly the lead emissions it produces, have grown over the years.
Lead, a known neurotoxin, can cause various health issues, especially in children, such as cognitive impairments and developmental delays. Emissions from 100LL have been identified as a significant source of environmental lead pollution.
The Shift Towards Alternatives
Recognizing the environmental and health concerns surrounding 100LL, the aviation industry has been experimenting with and gradually transitioning to unleaded alternatives. Several promising alternatives, like UL94 and UL102, have emerged and are gradually gaining ground. These fuels not only reduce the environmental impact but also hold potential benefits like reduced engine wear and potentially longer engine lifespans.
Challenges Ahead
While the 2030 ban is a commendable move towards greener aviation, challenges lie ahead. For one, the transition requires significant infrastructure adjustments. Airports, suppliers, and manufacturers must be ready to store, pump, and use the new fuels. There's also the economic challenge of ensuring these fuels remain affordable for pilots and airlines, particularly in regions where aviation plays a crucial role in transportation and logistics.
Furthermore, some vintage and specialized aircraft might not be immediately compatible with the new fuels. Modifications might be necessary, which could be expensive or, in some cases, unfeasible.
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@Mseabra75
@Mseabra75 Год назад
Sorry Mike but this video lacks a lot of research as you totally miss to mentioned the FAA approved replacement: GAMI 100UL avgas. GA is in no way at risk of stop flying by 2030 as the new 100UL gas works with existing engines. No reason to scared future pilot students.
@EJWash57
@EJWash57 Год назад
Especially someone operating a "flight academy"...
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
And I get the strange feeling he doesn't even know WHY the lead is in the fuel in the first place. The other thing he totally misses is aviation quality gasoline is MORE than just being about high octane. It's also about LOW vapor pressure i.e. the ability to resist vapor lock. He makes it sound like you can just get a "STC" and just start using car gas. And another thing he did not address, is when an aircraft is modified for "car gas", what is the minimum octane rating and can the fuel contain ethanol ?? The other thing he did not mention is that octane ratings for car gas and Avgas use 2 different methods. The car gas octane standard is more "lenient" than Avgas. If I'm not mistaken, 100LL AVGAS octane number, would be like car gas rated at 110. And YES, he TOTALLY missed mentioning 100UL. I'm not so sure I want to go to his flight school. - NOT trying to be mean, but man if you're going to make a public video involving aviation, you kind of need to know your s**t.
@justinc5356
@justinc5356 Год назад
Bang on…. Not to mention… nobody calls it “Car Gas”
@georgew.5639
@georgew.5639 Год назад
Tetraethyllead is a fuel additive. It’s purpose is to increase the octane rating of the fuel. It causes the fuel to burn more evenly with less knock. And it was also said that the lead lubricates the valve guides. Something that I’m not entirely certain about. Better refined fuel will take care of the lack of tetraethyllead. But it will come at higher cost. Just as we experienced with automotive fuels. The only possible change for aircraft engines may be the use of hardened valves and valve guides. This is what was done to automotive engines with the introduction of unleaded fuels.
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
@@georgew.5639There's a You Tube channel called "Savy Aviation" - now THAT guy knows his stuff - unlike you know who. He has several videos on aircraft engine valves - After watching his videos {Savy Aviation} one thing has been drilled into my head and that is Lycomings have a tendency for "stuck" valves, and Continentals have a tendency for "burnt" valves. I'm trying to figure out which is worse. I'm leaning towards "burnt" valves because you can pull plugs and use a "cheap" borescope and just look at the valve and if it's good it's good. With "stuck" valves you can't really tell by just looking because you can't see inside the valve guide. So does that mean I'm more of a Continental guy ?? I don't know - each engine has its advantages and disadvantages. Lycomings use sodium filled valves where Continentals use solid valves. I'm still trying to figure it all out - "Savy Aviation" guy gets really really deep into how these engines work and I have to watch the videos more than once to get all the details.
@TheBarzook
@TheBarzook Год назад
Kind of a big oops to not include G100UL. Its been appeoved for basically every piston engine for the last 100 years or so. No lead at all. Slightly heavier, but higher energy density. This is the future for the GA fleet.
@EJWash57
@EJWash57 Год назад
Oh, you and your facts! 😉
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
And I guess he's never heard of the Delta Hawk engine !! Ha !! Now to be fair, the DH engine has only been certified and hopefully UNlike the DynaCam engine, which was actually certified as well, will actually start shipping units out the door. Then we'll see more light GA use Jet A.
@camerazn
@camerazn Год назад
No mention of GAMI 100UL, which the FAA approved as a drop-in replacement for 100LL last year.
@commerce-usa
@commerce-usa Год назад
If it truly is a drop in replacement, that would be great news. Thank you for mentioning it.
@ILikeTuwtles
@ILikeTuwtles Год назад
Yeah, and it's gonna be even more expensive than 100LL. I'll pass on paying $8 per gallon.
@excellenceinanimation960
@excellenceinanimation960 Год назад
If it’s more expensive it will kill training. The government needs to piss the fk off!
@DanFrederiksen
@DanFrederiksen Год назад
As others have pointed out G100UL is approved for every old engine running 100LL so it's really a matter of a few bureacrats decreeing the switch and it's done. G100UL was suddenly approved universally coincidentally after I criticized AOPA for doing nothing several times and as I understand it's an easy transition to produce UL instead of LL and they can be freely mixed even so with a stroke of a pen it could be done worldwide. What's even worse is that it sounds like all non turbo old engines could have run on mogas for all these years but they were so despicably lazy that they didn't want two tanks at airstrips so they just used leaded fuel for everything when the vast majority of these old engines are non turbo. And it's extra dumb when LSAs typically work better on mogas anyway and it's much cheaper. The stagnant mindset in aviation is dreadful. Even today on AOPA's webpage for the transition away from LL it says up front: nobody is suggesting we should get rid of LL entirely... when that's exactly what we are talking about. That's the very topic. How difficult is it really for an airstrip to have a mogas tank. We fly 2-300k$ planes and a storage tank amortized over many decades is an insurmountable hurdle...
@PC-vq5ud
@PC-vq5ud Год назад
Franklin Engines have a 120 HP and 230 HP engines that are designed to run on mogas. Franklins were not designed for 100 avgas.
@wamp9175
@wamp9175 Год назад
Agency, not Administration.
@onebravotango
@onebravotango Год назад
This move acknowledges the importance of both environmental sustainability and public health. It's encouraging to see the aviation sector's commitment to transitioning to unleaded alternatives and addressing the challenges ahead. This marks a pivotal step in making aviation more eco-friendly and aligned with global efforts to combat climate change. 🌿✈"
@rakon8496
@rakon8496 Год назад
Same discussion many years ago with car engines. No one has the right to blow hazardous substances in the air.
@nevadahamaker7149
@nevadahamaker7149 Год назад
Several folks have brought up GAMI's G100UL. Yes, it has been approved for the entire GA piston fleet. Any piston engine requiring 100LL can burn it. However, GAMI has gone the STC route and, given the amount of time and effort and, especially, wrangling with the bureaucracy, to get it approved, I'm not surprised. They deserve to be compensated for that work. Also, GAMI is not going to manufacture the fuel. They will be working with fuel manufacturers to begin and ramp up production. I'm assuming it's going to be a pretty standard license agreement. But it is going to take time for manufacturers to get production up to speed, and also to get distribution in place and working. As noted, it is a true drop-in replacement for 100LL. The word they use is "fungible" which means it can be mixed with 100LL in any proportion with no issues. It is slightly more dense, and a gallon weighs about 6.25 pounds vs. 6 pounds for 100LL. So your useful load with full tanks will be lower. This will definitely affect me as my plane holds 60 gallons and currently has a useful load without fuel of about 850 pounds. The extra weight of G100UL will add up to 15 pounds. On the other hand, I've heard that it's also slightly more energy dense, so you should be able to burn a bit less fuel per hour for the same power. No changes to the engine, carb tuning, fuel mapping, etc. will be required, though. Another factor is the small airport fuel vendor who has only one tank. Sure, they can start putting G100UL in it but then only planes with the STC can fuel up there. And until G100UL, or another alternative, is available, the supply of 100LL has to be ensured. I recall hearing that the FAA is working on that. In short, they may override local decisions to ban 100LL, at least until the alternative is available enough. There's also the EAGLE program going on. As I understand it, G100UL is a candidate to satisfy the goals of that program, but they're also considering other alternatives that exist or are currently under development. It's possible that we'll see one or more unleaded fuels that can replace 100LL in addition to G100UL. It's going to happen eventually, there's no way that leaded fuel will be allowed to continue in use for much longer. Whether it happens by 2030 remains to be seen, but G100UL is approved. If nothing else, once production and distribution ramps up, it'll be coming to an airport near you, probably within a few years.
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
That was was a great comment - AND also let's not forget the Delta Hawk engine has been certified and if the fleet converts to these engines, and the engines actually live up to their claims, you won't even need Avgas - well - eventually. From a logical standpoint, the amount of lead coming from light GA aircraft is so tiny that it should not be a big deal compared to the leaded car gas era. For about 60 years, millions of cars used leaded gasoline and in concentrations higher than 100LL. Erase cars from the equation, and we're left with a teeny tiny segment of piston engines that use leaded fuel. The fear mongers love to tout the "170,000 light aircraft" in the USA - as if these aircraft get used like cars do. The fact is, most of these 170,000 aircraft might fly once a week. I say just let nature run its course - we got 100UL and we have Delta Hawk - BOTH emerging and if we just are a little patient, 100LL will just go away anyways - eventually. But here's a thing I don't understand, if 100UL is a "drop in" fuel, why the need for a STC ?? What is there to "STC" ? The only thing I can think of is perhaps the placard at the fueling points and lower the amount of gallons to put in the tanks since the 100LL weighs a tad more by volume.
@dieselyeti
@dieselyeti Год назад
​@@mustardseedsociety$60-90k for the Delta diesel conversion won't find many takers. Only way that engine gets into the market in any significant numbers is with an OEM application.
@nevadahamaker7149
@nevadahamaker7149 Год назад
@@mustardseedsociety I'm certainly no expert on the certification process so take this with the appropriate sized crystal of sodium chloride. I think they went the STC route because of two reasons. First, it allowed them to get it certified more quickly. Second, it allows them to recoup their costs more quickly. They put a _lot_ of time and effort into this fuel. It is quite likely the most thoroughly examined and well-tested "upgrade" for certified aircraft ever. Look up the videos of George Braly's presentations at Oshkosh and elsewhere from the last couple years. He's the co-founder of GAMI and he doesn't mince words about what it took for them to make it across the finish line.
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
@@dieselyeti I don't know, you got a pretty good supply of good used C172 and C182 airframes. Find ones with a high time engine to get a good price. All you have to worry about is "can the aircraft make ONE flight on this engine to get it to wherever the engine swap will take place ??". Then once you do that, now you got an aircraft that can run on JET A and you have at least solved the fuel availability problem. If this Delta Hawk engine is as good as claimed, I'd take it over a Rotax any day. The Rotax needs a gearbox, and uses complex electronics. The Delta Hawk is much more simple and is direct drive. And the Rotax is not exactly cheap !! In fact mmat put a "Rotax" engine on his Zenith - a FAKE "Rotax" made in China because he said it was like 1/3 the price. I guess some Chinese company reversed engineered the Rotax and made a FAKE Rotax. Me personally, I don't think I would use the FAKE Rotax.
@iammrvain
@iammrvain Год назад
Booooooo. 100 low lead is produced and used in such small quantities they need to make an exception.
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
I think they will - especially if the Delta Hawk conversions start to really "take off".
@pavelavietor1
@pavelavietor1 Год назад
😂 i heard that for the past 50 years 😂
@okieaero838
@okieaero838 Год назад
They have been working on this for a few years now. Everything will be fine.
@EJWash57
@EJWash57 Год назад
Betting you have no idea how many different fuel grades there were available at the same time in the past. And, every time one grade went away, there were those that instantly went into self-flagellation - like you - lamenting that aviation was over. The general aviation aircraft I trained on in the '70s ran 80-octane (red). Same exact tail numbers are running 100LL today (blue). Environmental Protection Agency - EPA. You even posted their Seal, yet called them an "Administration". Hard to put any credence in someone that refuses to perform their homework.
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
Look, we aint trying to be mean, but this aint the first time. I always get a kick out of the airplane reviews - "well over here we see this airplane comes with an engine, and look it even comes with a rudder !!". Yes I might be exaggerating a little bit, but I aint that far off !!!
@EJWash57
@EJWash57 Год назад
@@mustardseedsocietyIntending to get people whipped-up over nothing for clicks ($) is a scam and a grift. The ONLY constant in aviation is change.
@flyer617
@flyer617 Год назад
Based on how much I fly my Bonanza I will be looking at a new engine by 2030. I'm betting that GAMI 100UL or equivalent will be available everywhere by then so I may well be going with a very similar or the same engine. I am not very worried about this. Also by 2030 there will be several certified electric planes with at least 2 hours of flight, and increasing, but it's going to be a slow transition. Electric planes are awesome for flight schools due to their extremely low hourly cost of operation. Pilot training is way too expensive right now.
@mauriceevans6546
@mauriceevans6546 Год назад
I am looking to get a light sport with a turbine engine when mosaic rules go active
@Marine.644
@Marine.644 Год назад
I don’t believe that
@asaiyannamedgokublack
@asaiyannamedgokublack Год назад
Just LS swap it , simple🗿🤣🤣
@ChavngRynsPvts
@ChavngRynsPvts Год назад
It's legal too 🗿🗿🗿
@MGMidget73
@MGMidget73 2 месяца назад
Car gas with ethanol can get you killed. How you may ask. Ethanol attracts water in your system. Imagine flying at high altitude and your fuel line becomes blocked with ice.
@4420dano
@4420dano Год назад
Uh, they did the same thing with cars in the 90’s, did y’know? GAMIs UL is rated for every current engine. Maybe cost 50c a gallon more, but will reduce carbon fouling, allow synthetic oil and raise TBOs. You’ve not done your research. #wrong.
@Mobev1
@Mobev1 Год назад
Lithium batteries are highly combustible and unstable. I’d never fly in an electrical plane. Did you see all the cars burning in Miami during the floods? Did you see the ship that was caught on fire from the ev loaded on it. It was like a bomb!
@leanbean8376
@leanbean8376 Год назад
Mike, I'm not sure if this is a good platform for U man! I'm not a pilot, however I did note some discrepancyies with the discontinuations of the most used fuel...sry man
@PC-vq5ud
@PC-vq5ud Год назад
No lead 94 is alive and well now. Swift Fuel. Most of the fleet less the high compression turbos can run on it.
@rsbrehm
@rsbrehm Год назад
I heard about 10 years ago Embry Riddle was working on 100UL but I am not sure what has come of it.
@granttyler7746
@granttyler7746 Год назад
Fucking finally. Imagine that.. leaded gas was bad in cars but it’s also bad I’m planes!! 😱
@skyraiderjet
@skyraiderjet Год назад
I don't there's any cause for alarm, there are plenty of alternatives, like mogas, ethanol, and even diesel conversions for some models.
@JimyoVibration
@JimyoVibration Год назад
Dude, Mike. You’re the outsider who’s likely to get hurt in aviation. It’s weird to watch your videos.
@redcauthen771
@redcauthen771 Год назад
I kinda agree with the commenters how ever it’s the Federal Gov. make a Reg no answer or alternate replace, 😢😊
@Mobev1
@Mobev1 Год назад
**** idea**** call the lsa companies and see what they plan to do to take advantage of the latest mosaic rules.
@Factory400
@Factory400 Год назад
Brink of extinction? Nope. Don't say that.
@johnfitzpatrick2469
@johnfitzpatrick2469 Год назад
Mike has the EPA issued a mandate or is this speculation? 🌏🇭🇲
@Tommy-B.
@Tommy-B. Год назад
Defund the EPA. All they do is see what people do for fun and find a way they can ruin it. Started with motor sports, then 2 stroke watercraft, now airplanes.
@greglancaster5202
@greglancaster5202 Год назад
Just putting out a video to put out a video . No research not well done .
@MaxTooney
@MaxTooney Год назад
Pretty sure I'll end up eating these words, but I can't imagine ever, under any circumstances, feeling comfortable flying in a battery-powered plane.
@mojogrip
@mojogrip Год назад
😂
@joellong438
@joellong438 Год назад
Swift fuels 94UL is the current leader.
@bigguy5155
@bigguy5155 11 месяцев назад
didn't i see where EU using diesel in some aircraft
@ant2011
@ant2011 Год назад
Leaded should be banned today. Lead has no buisness fuel.
@joehimes9898
@joehimes9898 Год назад
Interesting video. Interesting comments. Interesting.
@origamihawk
@origamihawk Год назад
I mean this had to happen eventually but this is really a backwards approach. Banning newly produced planes from using 100LL should have come a decade before this was even considered.
@benjaminclark9594
@benjaminclark9594 Год назад
100%
@CliffordTheCowboyCloser
@CliffordTheCowboyCloser Год назад
WOW, This is interesting. For someone like me just getting into getting my private pilot license so I can get a family plane next year. Would you be open to doing a video of planes I should consider?
@bassman4983
@bassman4983 Год назад
This will fuel innovation. Pun intended 😅
@keithhoward9238
@keithhoward9238 Год назад
Europe is already using UL100 and other unleaded fuel as an alternative to 100LL. We here are behind the power curve on this. Pilot/Owner should plan already on this. Its not a big issue because even now. FBO's can install/mix 100UL into the 100LL fuel tanks and not change the fuel color. Pricing will increase for now but IMO will go down as more FBO'S use and sell it. More FBO'S than not are planning on purchasing it 100UL or making plans for it soon in their meetings. A small fuel (1000 gallon) pod with at first, then expand further down the road as some pilots will not accept the 100UL at first.
@kkenneth100
@kkenneth100 Год назад
Dang Mo, It always rolls back to John Q. Customer tax payer!!! The battery situation. I guess there is some technology out there waiting to be discovered. It's like everything else though it will be outrageously high until they can mass produce it. The mosquitoe helicopter, they have the first electric prototype of it. 20 minutes hovering time with a full battery. 5 hours charging time on a 240 plug 10 hours on a 120. If you something wired for 70 amps you can charge it in 30 min lol😂
@normalbillet
@normalbillet Год назад
You probably gonna need heads rebuilt with new valve seats and ethanol resistant carb seals and any seals that come into contact with ethanol. The upside is that your engine will likely make more power for less pollution with no change in weight. Damn - set up a conversion company. (if you can't guarantee it think American lawyers).
@superskullmaster
@superskullmaster Год назад
Bet he won’t acknowledge his mistakes in anything.
@JoseNunez-pu1mh
@JoseNunez-pu1mh Год назад
Thank you for the info. This is crazy and is.out of control. God Bless You.
@MartianLivesMatter
@MartianLivesMatter Год назад
What was that plane in the aqua/white? It looked like a mini beech 18 but single engine.
@buzzlightyearg3580
@buzzlightyearg3580 Год назад
Definitely something I will need to take into consideration a fuel source being taken off the market I would have aimed for affordable an probably missed that detail
@jwpilot1997
@jwpilot1997 Год назад
Since you mention vocabulary, perhaps we should define the EPA correctly? Also, car gas (as you call it) has not been invented in the last decade.😁
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
Environmental Protection Administration, The Federal Aviation Agency. LOL.
@mauriceevans6546
@mauriceevans6546 Год назад
Tecnam p2010 has diesel entine for 400000
@soiboughtabus9563
@soiboughtabus9563 Год назад
Electric, look at the pollution required to produce battery powered vehicles.
@PC-vq5ud
@PC-vq5ud Год назад
For cars there is about 10% higher emissions for manufacturing. The lack of emissions while driving makes up the difference in six months of operations. After that the pollution from gas goes on forever. FUD
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
What about the emissions at the powerplant ??@@PC-vq5ud
@Rick-z4c5d
@Rick-z4c5d Год назад
We went through this fear in the seventy's. I don't fear change and neither should GA. No lead fuel will be safe for all approved Ga piston engines. Which will work out well in the end. Fear not.
@Rick-z4c5d
@Rick-z4c5d Год назад
Agency
@edcew8236
@edcew8236 Год назад
Overzealous, politically correct regulators.
@aldohattonduran5227
@aldohattonduran5227 Год назад
Ty for the update brother 🙌🏻 and as always good luck with the new biz, you da best 🏆🥇💪🏼
@MartianLivesMatter
@MartianLivesMatter Год назад
Ethanol is actually a really good fuel. It's got quite a high octane too, 120+ octane. Ethanol requires less oxygen too but this is because of the air/fuel ratio. Which means it can fly higher then 100LL or mogas. The biggest issue with ethanol is because of the air/fuel ratio again, it guzzles like a whale. One of the best things about ethanol is literally most people can make it if they know what they're doing. It is 100% plant based fuel. Just ferment and distill. I remember finding a distiller in New Zealand that pumped out 98% ethanol and could be ran straight from a vat. With the right set up you could produce 200+ litres of fuel per week at home.
@FasterLower
@FasterLower Год назад
Ethanol is a really BAD fuel for aircraft. It absorbs water for one thing. Also it is a great solvent for things like fiberglass epoxy and some synthetic rubbers. Remind me, what are your fuel tanks made from and all the washers in your fuel supply pipework? Some aero engines can run on fuel with 5% ethanol (Mogas) but this is a far from universal thing. Also just because the engine can take 5% ethanol this does not mean that the airframe can.
@MartianLivesMatter
@MartianLivesMatter Год назад
@@FasterLower Ethanol does absorb water but its not as bad as you make it sound. And if something is water soluble you dont put water in it right? Same goes for ethanol. You're a complete idiot if you go and chuck ethanol in a vehicle designed for mogas. The fuel system needs to be designed for ethanol.
@mustardseedsociety
@mustardseedsociety Год назад
@@FasterLower Mogas is 10% ethanol.
@FasterLower
@FasterLower Год назад
​@@mustardseedsociety It does depends on which road petrol product you get and where but in general you are correct. Some are 5%. Sheel vPower is I believe - but could be wrong.
@ChavngRynsPvts
@ChavngRynsPvts Год назад
While ethanol is great for cars, not so much for planes. It's highly corrosive to certain materials and creates a lot of build up over time on injectors and other fuel components, the last thing I need to happen at 18,000 with my rotax engine.
@buzzlightyearg3580
@buzzlightyearg3580 Год назад
Now this is great content insight in the flying world... A fuel source problem or a discontinuing of it can't wait to hear where you go with this.. this is great do you have a video on easiest solo plain to fly or like best first time air Craft I'm still crossing my fingers on financial freedom but when that does I'll reach out I would enjoy learning what you can teach me to getting into the sky... No head space now for deep dive into learning but I enjoy taking bits of flying stuff
@1CE1CE
@1CE1CE Год назад
LoL they are making crap up everyday!! This is beginning to get annoying. EPA is not allowed to do this. This will go to the supreme court
@yurimoros
@yurimoros Год назад
Very very interesting Dear Mike when the car gas will be in all airport … Also you are more than welcome to come to my hangar in KHWO where you show the Ttx single engine piston fastest in the world Even you can fly her also you can show the eclipse jet you can taxi it and soon you fastest Tarragon full certify 225 KNTS 25,000 ceiling 2,000 feet climbing full built in oxygen 3 alternator tubo and inter cooling Fly 520 Bluetooth data tranfer parachute Mc Larent interior and hand printed electronic stability Protection Smart glide and auto semi decent Performs like P-51 and year 2023 is the fastest light sport as I sayid full certify IFR retráctil gears I’ll have in one week so you are more than welcome just car gas fuel you can show it one more time because you may saw it in Oshkosh sun and fun Thx mike
@yurimoros
@yurimoros Год назад
Make when we will have car gas in the airport
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