In this video I share info I've read where it's clear that Stellantis and Dodge is counting on the new 2024 Daytona Charger EV to sell or they could be in big trouble. Follow me on instagram, tiktok, and facebook at OCMotivator
price is why no one will buy them charging net work think the engineers $ waisted on the hellophant engine and demon 170 a new V8 could of been developed
It's funny how a small group of holler something is dead ..but in every urban metropolis..whatever they said is dead is seen used or played/owned in abundance. Kind of like call of Duty 😂
All car companies are suffering forced mandates. Look to the evil WEF and black rock and vanguard that force the companies to do what some don't really want to do. Get a damn clue, quit being such a clueless sheeple!
Exactly what so many of the folks posting cannot seem to understand. Stellantis paid $235 million in CAFE fines last year. The cost of having a lineup with no viable hybrids/EV/economy cars to offset thew Hemis. Their lack of any forethought as to their roadmap for the past 15 years beyond, "stick a Hemi in it" is coming back to bite them hard. Add that the fact is that the 5.7's time is long past and it is pretty much a joke of an engine these days. Hell Ford's Turbo 4 makes more power in a pickup.
@@user-bi8rv6te7z Completely understand, I run a 7.3 godzilla on my truck, but the gubmint standards are making them dinosaurs. That's not the Hemi's biggest issue today. Cast Iron block and OHV design are truly dated. Ford 5L's have been making much more power for ages while keeping some efficiancy. Unfortunately for us old timers, tech moves on.
I mean, that’s a very hard argument to fight seeing as the rest of the car industry complies with the carbon credits. It’s just Stellantis that can’t and it’s their own fault because they should have had a more well rounded lineup mix instead of one that mostly used the HEMI engine
Well, because the environment is a concern. But then again, if it was that much of a concern to our government, they would have closed all those CAFE exceptions for sport utility vehicles and light trucks. It is kind of a joke in practice.
Trouble is, once the American public “gets” EV’s, demand for new ice cars at any price is going to plummet like digital cameras took over film super quickly.
We would we want the Challenger and Charger to both be two door Muscle Cars? It more than appropriate to make the Charger a Sedan. The Dodge Charger is the world's most powerful and fastest sedan, that's a huge flex💪
Stellantis has been on life support for years, Chrysler has flatlined, and Jeep and Dodge are catastrophically ill with little hope of recovery. Stick a fork in Stellantis.
@@John-kx3ng Fewer than there used to be. Can't see Congress voting for a bailout of a European company or propping up CDJR as a stand alone US company.
@@John-kx3ng Most left DECADES ago under NAFTA and outsourcing. Seeing how Stelantis is a foreign owned company, they have no national, political, or economic loyalties to the US to begin with. Not in the same category as GM or Ford who are Both multinational companies who have outsourced production over the last 35 years. If they go under this time, there are very few American jobs left to save. They've left American industrial communities like Janesville, WI, and Lordstown OH "high and dry while opening up shop in low cost places outside of the US.We as a country owe the Big 3 NOTHING. Just like the rest of these so called American companies who now have their corporate operations based overseas.
@@garrettsmith2654 they aren't if the rest of the brands have successful sales. I don't have time to do an analysis of Stellantis, but it is possible for them to kill some brands for a tax writeoff
@@MaverickPhantom Stellantis is willing to get rid of the brands then get rid of Carlos. To Stellantis, Carlos is a wonderful CEO that does wonderful things for Chrysler, Dodge, Jeep, and Ram. He can do nothing wrong. To Stellantis, Carlos is Mister Perfect.
Stellantis won't go bankrupt. Stellantis will just kill those brands. They will replace them with the European brands which will be awful. Sadly people will buy them..
I thought this. And suicide is a cold calculated death. So it begs the question… are they tanking the brand on purpose? Or just inept. They had record high stock price this year so must of done something right. 🤷🏽♂️
The Hornet is the new Chrysler Airflow. The Chrysler Airflow was a flop in the 1930's. The Ford Edsel was a flop. The 1957 and 1958 Packards based on the Studabaker platforms were also flops that led to the demise of Packard after merging with Studabaker. Packard was gone in 1959, and there were no more Packards in 1959. Dodge has done themselves in the same way with the Hornet based on a European carmakers platform. Now that Chrysler is foreign owned there should be no more bail outs from The United States Government.
Do not buy a EV vehicle because they do not hold there value the problem is salantis is a European car company not a American car company they do not know anything about the American car buyer
From Australia. So true, Chuck. I think the American and Australian mindset re vehicles is pretty much the same. We’ve lost our muscle car industry and now rely on the USA who has an unrivalled track record in this area. I’ve just ordered a Mustang GT, and was ecstatic when I learned the USA was still building a naturally aspirated muscle car. I’m an ex police officer, so I may be biased!
That's sad. I'm still hanging onto my 2006 Dodge Magnum SRT-8 (6.1 Hemi). Bought it new. The dealers in SoCal wanted over MSRP which showed there was a solid demand.
When a company has 100,000 dollar mark ups and sells cars out from under you it means they don't care about it's customers, only the bottom dollar. Building a brand is on trust and loyalty and they have lost that.
What does that have to do with the company? The dealers are solely to blame for this. Stellantis has actually stepped in to stop dealers selling cars from under deals, but not all of them get escalated.
Dodge needs to do what Ford is doing Make a 400 or 500 horsepower car come up with a new V8 and that letter company like Whipple or ProCharger do exactly the way Ford's doing it and they don't have to pay those carbon credits and they'll make faster cars to boot
Your right! That's one of the biggest problem, they manufacture crap we don't like or want. What happened to would be buyers feedback? The engineers must be getting their ideas in the bathroom.
It's to late!!! The new cars coming are complete crap!! No EV's will ever replace muscle. I have a plaid and a hellcat. Hellcat is so much better to drive. Plaid is fast as shit, but it is boring. Plaid will be going.. v 6 twin turbo big deal. Had a grand national back in the day. Very cool car and now you can get a BMW M3 with a badass turbo motor . Dodge is dreaming. I left dodge and not coming back
Muscle is a minority market. Economics of scale are moving to EV’s without government intervention or subsidies. Charging infrastructure is the weak point right now. Chicken and egg.
I am keeping my 2012 jeep until the frame rots out at this point. A new rubicon is so over priced and i don’t trust the build quality that i won’t be getting the new jeeps. Maybe i will wait until we can get a used 2018-19, but nothing past stellantis and covid until they get new owners for that company. Stellantis has ruined the wrangler being an affordable and modible fun vehicle into a “luxury” suv. They have lost their target market. Yeah maybe mall crawlers with 200k salaries, but not normal middle class people who want to take it out in the woods or use the rack or use the winch and not have to care so much about messing up a part because new after market parts were easy to find and fix yourself. Anyway, i am so disappointed because i did want to upgrade our jeep wrangler one day. But for now we will keep modding it out. We are getting a new steel back bumper with tire holder for it tomorrow btw. So i am going to knock on wood that our jeep stays reliable and stays out of accidents. Next add on will be a lift and 35”s ;)
Now Chrysler does not have another Lee Iacocca to save them. They will be gone shortly. The Hornet was a success at American Motors. The Hornet at Dodge has been a flop, and is overpriced. The price of a car at the Dodge dealership is not cheap or affordable. Dodge and Plymouth used to be affordable, and priced to compete with what Chevrolet and Ford offered. Now they want more for a Dodge than they want for a Buick. For a few hundred more, you can get a Cadillac. Dodge is not affordable anymore.
@@ericknoblauch9195 correct. There is no Lee Iacocca now. Survey all these runts that are running Detroit and there's no car guy in the lot. Just a bunch of bean counters raising the price and engineering to fail with crappy quality. Examples? Look at all the plastic parts in the engine compartment.
Big facts. Lithia Motors is going to abandon them if the chargers fall flat in the first qtr. With autonation moving GM to other brands. I don't thing they will be here for 2028
The Buicks are killing it? You do know they are made in China and that supports the Chinese military. Hope your kids can fight like hell, cause they will be fighting the Chinese.
Buick and Chevrolet are more affordable. That's the huge market that Dodge has abandoned. I remember when Lee Iacocca was in charge of the Chrysler Corporation. Back then Dodge and Plymouth were affordable. Now Dodge has a expensive Hornet on it's hands, and it is a flop. Get real with a product that can compete with both Chevrolet, Buick, and Ford.
The Buick Envista is tempting. Nice looking affordable, and good price. Dodge has the high priced Hornet based on that junk European car companies platform. Hyundai, Kia, and Toyota are also killing Dodge with better priced vehicles.
right now people are thinking this and are going to be trying to get out of their chrysler vehicles and thereby destroying whatever resale their could be
What's driving me crazy is they know that their base wants a V8, and they actually have one that would be a compromise. They have the F154 from Maserati, 3.8L twin turbo V8. They are stout unlike the cars from what I understand and put out almost 600 HP. Mass produce it and stick it under the hood of the Charger, and you basically have the solution. Hell, they use the same transmission that will be in the new Chargers and it's already emissions compliant. Tweak it for better fuel economy, and sell it at a reasonable price. Problem solved 😑
the money waisted on the d170 does have a BA sounding super charger and hellophant, the 5.7 could of been improved had a 5 smog rating in the Durango grand Cherokee L the 6.2 /6.4 needed to go 1 on the smog rating per window sticker
U left out the most important piece of the puzzle tho,The Democrat party are the reason this nonsense is happening. They aren't doing it because they want 2 ,they are doing it because they have 2
Stellantis Canada just raised the price of the Rubicon X 2024 2k . It's now 100k tax included. A dealer I know said they are only selling the odd Sahara because they are way way cheaper. WTF strategy is this ??
My grandmother loved Plymouths and Dodges! She purchased her final Dodge, a brand new 1966 Dodge Dart with the 170 CID Slant Six, which was surprisingly peppy and got 30 MPG highway! Fast-forward to today, I only drive TOYOTA!
I worked at a local drug store during high school and had to make deliveries one day in the bosses daughter's Duster Hang Ten Slant S**t. The store's Dodge Colt was in the shop. That Duster was the slowest car I'd ever driven, I hated it! Then in about 1981 my cousin bought a Mirada with a Slant S**t, nice looking car, what a slug! I couldn't even chirp a tire doing a brake stand. Enjoy your "peppy" Mopar.
The Wagoneer and especially the Grand Wagoneer, were complete disasters. I stopped into a dealer and, not only the markup, but the dealer add ons had the sticker at $144,000.00. Then I looked at Dodge Rams (sorry Dodge and Ram are forever in my mind). Base and I mean base 1500’s were breathtakingly astronomical. If I lived to be a zillion, I would never spend $67,000.00 on a Dodge Ram 1500. And used? Forget it. Even medium mileage used Rams, are like a crapshoot. Their VVT, is a $7k repair bill waiting to happen - no thanks.
I don't think you can purchase a Ram 5.7 Hemi truck now unless it comes with the Etorque, mild hybrid battery. For that reason, I wouldn't buy one. Not to mention the new Uconnect5.
@@AStanton1966 - I didn’t even notice. I was just taken aback that a base truck - along with idiotic dealer add-ons was tipping $70,000.00 Then I stopped at a Toyota Dealer and some of their new old stock V8 Tundras, had higher stickers than the new - equally idiotic V6 twin turbo Tundras. I mean, is Toyota really trying to shoot themselves in the foot? Needless to say, I beat a hasty retreat home in my beat up 2000 Silverado.
At least I can enjoy my Challenger Scat Pack for years to come while I watch all of this play out. Maybe Dodge will be resurrected from the dead by an American company by the time I am ready for another new car.
I got rid of my Redeye because I didn’t want to be involved in an accident 2-3 years from now to discover dealer parts are short or no longer available having to resort to cheap aftermarket parts. Plus maintenance service and brake service was ridiculously priced. $8k for front and rear Brembo brake service because the rotors are slotted therefore cannot be resurfaced unless I do aftermarket brakes which will not last.
I think it's too late. Alfa will absorb Dodge and likely recycle some of the old names. But they will be alphas and I wouldn't have one. Seems the "hornet" would be an indicator... But as you say, they don't listen. BTW, why am I thinking about the "fratty" brand formerly known as Bud Light.
They wont change. Theyve produced low effort/high margin vehicles that havent been properly updated in 10+ years and they still flew off the shelves, especially during the pandemic. Stellantis thinks we're all morons who will buy anything because of that.
You TK and butter the insider are doing a bang of job covering all these things butter had a great live stream the other day I was I was on that it was phenomenal
I remember years ago on 60 minutes it was either Carlos or Tim saying that the company was dead if the hornet didn't sell. I took one look at that and said no American is going to buy that thing. DOA
I agree, the prices are crazy. I got a new 2014 Durango R/T and at that time with the equipment I got on it, and the sticker was $46,000. I paid 38.000 from a dealer in Portland Oregon. Today to get the same car that would be 56,000 to 60,000. There is no way a Durango is worth 60 plus thousand dollars. I know it has been 10 years but they haven't even changed the car in that time either except the Dash and the front facia. I would love a new one or even a new Grand Cherokee L but not new at those prices.
Hey OCmotivator just wanna say I watch all the vids and I’m very grateful for them as well as your insight and presence in the mopar community brother. Thanks keep kickin ass. Fellow challenger guy
Ram updated the 1500, and it still looks like the 2019 version but costs a lot more. Dodge added the Hornet, but it's not something that looks like it belongs to the brand. Next, the 2025 Charger looks great but has an electric motor, which Dodge buyers don't want. I don't see any winners in this lineup. The only hope is the Ram RHO. The reason I think it will sell is the price is under 70k for a Raptor type truck, which is great.
Without the V8, Dodge is irrelevant. Chrysler may also be irrelevant. The simple fact is government regulations worldwide have led to the inevitable death of the V8. Rich people may be able to afford it from smaller companies like Lamborghini. But even the new Huracan is going to have a V8 rather than a V10 and eventually the V 12 is going to go away as well. More and more cities will pass laws against gas powered cars, and eventually everything is going to be electric.
While that seems logical based on the propaganda, it’s simply impossible and the EV agenda is already collapsing under its own weight. I tend to go the opposite of the news and bs since I’ve found that you cannot believe anything the politicians tell you. Why so many people believe them is beyond me. EV is already dying a slow painful death. Hybrid is the answer, a small percentage of EV’s have their place in the world, and fun gas cars will keep coming back since there’s massive profit in them as ford and GM have already admitted and recommitted to as I showed in the video.
@@hoapres lmao. Boy you’ve drank the koolaid haven’t you. Lucid, Rivian, Fisker on the brink of bankruptcy, ford, GM both pulling back on EV’s since they can’t sell them or make money on them, Tesla is taking beating after beating and just fired their entire supercharger department, 98% or ev owners own a gas car too, almost 30% and growing EV owners return to gas cars and leave ev for good, our infrastructure is a century away from even meeting any significant increase in demand and people are fighting over chargers daily. The idea of waiting even 30 mins to charge a car is like going back to using a push mower to mow our lawns definitely not the future. Less convenience is not our future. Just watching the lemmings all sit at the chargers with their thumbs up their butts is beyond hilarious as I drive by in my gas car. EV tech is already collapsing under its own weight. It’s inefficient, inconvenient, and exclusionary of 80++% or our society who can’t charge at home. Even Toyota and Honda have slow rolled their EV’s but double down on hybrids and cheap gas cars and are selling them like hotcakes in a down car market. Over 80% of our electricity is from fossil fuels as well so EVs aren’t making things better. Wake up and just look around. When the CEO of lucid pays himself $320 million running a ev company into the ground, we must ask ourselves why we are buying into this insanity.
@ocmotivator The current malaise in the EV space reminds me of Chipotle when they had that food poisoning incident. It was inherently fixable. This is fixable. It just takes conversion of the long range fast changing system, and improvements in battery longevity. Once that happens, economic scale will make a transition inevitable regardless of government interest.
@@ocmotivatorI live in a small town in Vermont and when the solar eclipse happened it was flooded with out of state people. Great for the small town but bad for the people who came. Many of those people drove Tesla and we have maybe 8 chargers in a span of about 75 miles. Let's say people were waiting hrs to charge their vehicle lol
It's not just Dodge that doesn't sell new cars, i've seen in sweden brand new Mazdas that have sat on dealer lots for about 2 years now, the car market is saturated with new cars and people can't afford to buy them or don't want to lease or take loans
What do you think available supply is going to look like this time next year between unsold new, and the used market. Also what you think prices will be like. Tk's garage thinks there will be unsold ones still sitting at the end of next year
The dealer group i used to work for, if they sent you to the dodge dealer you basically were fired cause they did practically no business in recent years
If you all want to know how this is going to go for Dodge, look up what happened to GM's Australian subsidiary, Holden, when they ceased Australian manufacturing. Our beloved Holden Commodore (Which went to you blokes in the US as a Pontiac G8 and Chevy SS) died when the Australian Factory closed. GM said they were committed to Australia, but the replacement Commodore (Rebadged Opel Insignia, also a Buick) with its 4 cylinder front wheel drive, and no V8 option, with V6 on premium models only caused such incredible backlash that it hastened to unravelled the brand and cause GM to kill it. And the thing was, it was a great car! But why oh why keep the beloved nameplate?
I have a 2024 Ram 2500 6.4 gas and a 2022 Durango GT. We are looking at a charger scatpack, waiting until after August to see if they drop the price more. Tons of 2023’s still on the lot.
The only thing that's going to save the company is to 1 jeep SUVs, 2 Dodge Trucks, 3 Chrysler cars. No more Ram truck. Give the charger franchise to Chrysler as well as the hornet and Durango. Dodge needs to be a truck brand and truck brand only.
This buyout put them under tone-deaf EU bean-counters who thought EV subsidies would last forever, and that people would buy anything with the word Dodge slapped on (See the Hornet). The fake exhaust and gear shifts pretty much tell you what the Dodge designers think of this.
Last September I bought a barely used '21 Durango GT with 1800 miles on it that came off of a lease. I LOVE that thing. Third Mopar I've owned with the Pentastar V6, love that engine. But I'm honesty worried all the dealerships are going to go out of business. Where will I get my Durango serviced under warranty? Will I be able to get parts in the future? I'd like to keep the car for the next ten years or close to it if I can. I'm like you where I don't want to go to another brand I want to stick with Dodge products but who knows what the future looks like.
You’re 100% correct, Stellantis is killing all the CDJR brands. It’s over because you can’t right a ship this BIG & this BROKEN! Auto Nation is the straw that will break their backs, It’s all collapsing,
People don't realize that as they become wealthier, they don't realize that they exist in a "make believe" bubble as a result of that success. They also forget the very methodology that gave rise to that success. That leads to the exact, broken, decision making that you identified. The "ivory tower" mentality, which is so pervasive, in business these days.
These big auto brands have had plans then threw them away for new ones then threw those away and now they are scared of commitment lol and have no plans it’s just day by day, these days.
I said that about the billion $ carbon credit and how US automakers that had an EV in their line would be beneficial. Dodge EV "Charger Banshee" Hellcat trim and kept the Challenger V8 DEMON! I like the ev's and all the potential but also have ICE muscle at heart!
I bet 1 day in the future when they get this new EV market straightened out with new upgraded electric grids and massive charging stations built all over the country,along with faster, higher battery technology, such as solid state as an example lightening the vehicles, these vehicles will fly & make the current ICE vehicles look like something from the Flintstone Age 😅
As someone who got a charger at 19 then a challenger at 21 and I’m going on 25 now, sad to see the way dodge is going. Personally I’m moving over to Toyota and would rather by there bmw Supra than a charger or challenger at this rate
I bought a 22 Challenger Scat Pack, Shaker edition and while I was in the dealer a couple weeks ago, they had a Jeep, not a Rubicon, just a nice jeep with the skeletonized doors, etc., nothing else fancy about it and they wanted as much for that Jeep as I paid for my limited Scat Pack. Ridiculous.
we, as consumers, were willing to overlook the quality issues prior to 2020 and they do make nice looking vehicles. They got the idea during the CoVID scarcity that we would pay whatever they said for them and it just ain't true. I kind of like the Hornet. When I saw a Hornet at my local dealer with a Monrony at $47,000 and a $4000 ADM they lost me. For that price it better have that level of performance and the quality of Toyota because they priced it at the very rooftop of the segment.
Here why trying to buying the brands from Stellantis would never work. Stellantis would would at least $5B for the brands and that’s being conservative. You’d then have to spend at least another $3B on plants because Stellantis isn’t just going to give you those. Then another $1-$2B or training new employees if you can’t retain the old ones. And you still have to buy carbon credits any pay the fines that come with being inefficient. There’s a reason why no one has tried to replicate the HEMI engine. GM and Ford can still make the Mustang and the Corvette because they also make EV’s and hybrids to offset the sports cars.
I think the majority of us can see it’s a terrible idea to put the entire future of the company on the hope people will start eating up EV’s. Guess they’ll figure it out the hard way.
This is a foreign auto company that clearly doesn't mean to have a large presence in America. They are letting go worker after worker and now hiring engineers for half the price from overseas. As soon as the contract was ratified they let it be known that was releasing 3200 employees and the North American headquarters building is pretty much empty.
