The Engineering Behind Workshop 5001's $1M Porsche 911 | Carfection 4K 

Its' very nice and more OEM/Factory looking for an air cooled Porsche, but I agree, the Singer 911's are my favorite and look a bit tougher for a reimagined 911.

It's not. Nice car though

Well it's a long hood, not 964 🤷🏻‍♂️ The donor car is itself much more expensive and more desirable

@@stefangrubesic2708 not really. 911 T long hood goes for around the same price as a 964 these days.

@@eeterp32 Really? The more you know 🤷🏻‍♂️

If you don't factor in the vehicle price, I can't see more than 200k here in parts and labor. It sounds like the shop is trying to recoup R&D costs upfront from previous builds. This shop blew this chance at some awesome exposure by not pricing this build at around 300-350k all-in. They would have had a waiting list already with deposits and after the first 10 cars or so, be making a profit.

Early 911's cost twice as much as 964's across the board. Everything about them is more specialized, rare, and expensive. It makes sense that this would cost twice as much as a singer. Not to mention this company clearly isnt capable of production like singer, therefore they have to cover their ass with limited builds.

focusboy I’m not sure where you are getting that information from but it’s simply not true. I have owned both a 964 and my current early 911 and while some things are more expensive on one platform, there are also things that are cheaper on the other. Both will have their challenges and advantages but there is definitely not 2x cost difference. My build will be very close to what is shown in this video when finished (not going full KW suspension) and I’ll have maybe 100k invested doing most of the labor myself. Also Singer is on a whole other level when it comes to their builds. Completely bespoke carbon bodies, complete interiors with all of the creature comforts included, and some of the best motors in the business are just a few of the things Singer is doing better than just about anyone.

@@paul_howey shop rate is probably $125 or more at that place. A couple thousand hours on a car like that might get the shell built and painted so that's a quarter of the price right there. Add in body parts (price yourself some thin gauge RS panels from Porsche lately?) and supplies and a donor shell and you've blown half your million dollar budget right there.

You don't really know how much it actually costs to engineer the car and get the parts and make it all work. Plus if a person wants it and can afford this car then not over priced for them

I thought that fly was in my ear 😛

Whether it's worth $1M is something only the owner can decide. But for me, if I had all the money in the world, I'd take this over a Singer. The Singer is a work of art, but it's not actually designed to drive well. It may go fast in a straight line, and it may sound good, and look gorgeous while doing it, but there's almost nothing been done to the suspension, and the wheels are massively wider and have huge offset compared to stock, so all they've created is an offset widebody (effectively a very classy RWB in simple engineering terms) with nothing done to compensate for all the handling compromises that brings. You can see it in every driving video. It's just not as smooth, or as balanced as this. I can see why people are seduced by the Singer, but the fact of the matter is it's a very pretty, obsessively-built artwork. The philosophy of this is clearly to create something that gives the best driving experience while also being fancy. Big difference. (I should add the DLS is likely a lot better to drive, but given it has has bespoke suspension designed by Williams, it damn well should handle a lot better).

@@ChrisNichollsPhoto I'm struggling to take this reply seriously. Are you saying that Singer are incapable of adding some KW coil-overs, control arms and setting up a decent geometry?! On your second point you are absolutely correct in that at this price point one of the only comparable cars is the Singer DLS. This can more easily justify its price with its the extensive research and development with Willams and even Mr Mezger himself. In stark comparison this workshop 5001 car looks so over priced it is borderline fraud!

Each car probably takes at least a year to build, ~2000 hours. Body shop, mechanics, interior trimmers charging from $50-$150+/hour. Add to that the cost of new OEM Porsche parts, materials, bespoke/custom engineered parts, coveted used parts, and the car itself, I can see it all adding up really fast, however probably not far beyond $500k. Shop is definitely making a killing off rich Porsche fanatics...

@@robburton8462 No, you didn't read my reply properly. Of course Singer is capable of fitting what this company does. The thing is, they don't (KWs aside). Go check their specs page. They literally only add the KW coilovers, upgrade the bushes and swaybars, and if you pay more money, fit Ohlins and a set of Evo uprights. None of which do anything to offset the negative handling effects of a huge increase in track via wheel offset only. If they cared about handling in the non-DLS versions, they'd do the correct thing and redo the suspension geometry from scratch to compensate for scrub. They haven't, which, as I said, reinforces the fact that Singers are very pretty and fast, but are not designed to handle as well as they could. This particular company avoids most of those issues by simply not going very wide in the body. They therefore don't have scrub radius issues to the same extent.

@@ChrisNichollsPhoto Have you ever driven a Singer or an early 911? Because they have very different goals and outcomes. I promise if you drive a singer you will not think it has poor handling. I think you are missing the point of both cars. The singer is supposed to be the ultimate aircooled 911. Its based on a 964 chassis. The 5001 has "upgraded" suspension and geometry from the newer cars ie. 964. I think its stupid to claim that one car is poorly engineered and the other car that has the same suspension components is superior. The 5001 is obviously a very well executed hot rod based on a pre 73' 911. I think what most people dont realize is that nearly every part of a pre 73' is twice the price of 964 components. So it makes sense that it would cost nearly twice as much as a singer.

True

weeeeeeeeell... atleast he was, before he bought this overpriced car.

Obviously dumber too.

Yes and has a lower IQ.

but,.. they like to get creative & they "cover things that are not usually covered" ... so... there's obv. nearly 250k in that....

RaptorV1USA lol maybe. But what would that even include? Singer already lines the engine compartment in leather

@@Spartan168 but what GRADE.of leather... I mean... Gotta be 50k difference. In the top quality leather vs the cheap Chinese stuff right.....

Yeah... But there is a fine line to the concept of cover things that aren't usually covered and put leather in right spots. I think

THIS!!!!! lol....my OCD going crazy ....

@@RaptorV1USA Not OCD for a 7 figure car you'll expect better fit and finish yeah it has F1 technically but it didn't pay for the research and development for F1

@@chinaman69.1 ..you misunderstood. I agree. And IMHO it's def. OCD most ppl don't pay attn to detail...I am cursed with hyper awareneas and ocd I don't miss shit.... After 5 pics of the oil door being fabbed, the last one is it on the car and not at all centered. Shit jumped out and bit me...

@@RaptorV1USAoh lol sorry but I guess I am OCD recessed my taillights 3 times because of the gap I guess some people just care more than others

@@chinaman69.1 welcome to da club! Been there many times whether it's the car or hell a mtn bike....don't get me started on the house for fux sake It's likely a curse..but,......ya just gotta embrace it :-) peace have a gr8 holiday weekend. ;-)

Try to buy a singer for 500 thousand

A new singer just finished was 1 million dollars

This is also a classic Porsche unlike what Singer starts with.

These guys are not making as many cars as Singer. Rarity = $$$.

Regardless, there is no way this car is should cost $1m. We did several of these cars to a very similar spec about 10-12 years ago here in Germany. Bodys were acid dipped, restored, seam welded, etc. Motors and suspensions were not excessive but nowhere near stock and very solid street/track day combos. Interiors were completely re-done. And all by German craftsmen (just to add to the mystique LOL). With all work, parts, project management, etcetc they were in the ballpark of 1/10th of what this car is supposedly going at. So allow for 10-12 years of inflation, truly OTT work and parts (sold at prices including mystique, aura, and Porsche-Tax) and triple the entry price for a restorable base vehicle... you're still going to have a hard time topping $250k by much - and that is with really only possible by going truly OTT on EVERYTHING. So go excessively nuts on everything, find only the most expensive vendors and sub-contractors, charge $500/hr for your own shop labor and maybe manage to double that figure. So now you're approaching $500k (which I have an insanely difficult time imagining achieving, even with trying). So where is the other $500k? And the $1000 + work-paint-and-installation splitter is not going to cover that difference. In contrast to this car, Singer makes a lot of their own parts including a good portion of the body, has Cosworth or Ed Pink build their engines (which is OTT), and, aside from everything else, sells a bit of their own mystique. And the only Singer that I have ever heard of which was supposed to be in that price range was the Singer/Williams F1 Engineering DLS. Not the same as this on any level.

Ikr, I understand ac but heat?? It’s such a simple system and who doesn’t like to drive on a cool morning

@@jrew3569 because heating systems in old 911s are a pain in the ass to get working at 100% LOL

jsquared1013 maybe messing with all the cables controlling the vents up front is PITA but that’s nothing next to the amount of work they put everywhere else in those cars, the heat exchangers are super simple

Shops have to make money on parts and supplies too. Sure you can buy it from Pegasus for that plus shipping and taxes and cut it at home with your jigsaw. But somebody had to choose, purchase, receive, design, cnc cut, choose and source fasteners, install, finish, etc. That's probably a $2500 piece of wood if not more.

Good one DH. Too wrapped up in "look at me".

"Idiot Tax" would be the right Answer.....

To each his own This will be a collector's piece for someone who wants it

You only need a small loan. where is a problem

nsperience ........I’ll call the bank!

*Eight* thousand

and it's gone