And so you should be you peon, 😉 Jk, I’m a hardcore Kirby fan but The Eternals just isn’t up there with Stan & Jack’s Fantastic Four and other works, but it’s still an interesting read IMHO at least up until the introduction of the robot Hulk towards-the end of the comic, ( the writing was pretty much on the wall then.)
As an anthropologist, and carrying all the baggage of what anthropology was, chariots of the gods is maybe my 3rd greatest enemy in life. Not only is it nonsensical, but more so its entirely diminished the abilities and creations of cultures throughout the world as nothing more than aliens did it for them. It writes off real peoples entire lives and works as nothing more than "an alien did it". That all said this episode is wonderful, and your use of Leapt vs leaped made my day.
Are the top two Indiana Jones and bad faith questions by people weirdly profoundly against evolution and the basic fundamentals of history and biology?
@@BlazenAva666 Did you expect every RU-vid comment to add some meaningful information? What does your comment add to the conversation? He just wanted to share his similar perspective as an anthropologist as this topic is very closely related to him.
what i find so funny about the saqqara bird thing is that they immediately assumed that it was influenced by aliens instead of coming to the conclusion that maybe just maybe Egyptians a culture that worshiped bird deities and commonly used birds for hunting and sport had a basic understanding of aerodynamics from watching how birds do what they do
Right, like their "proof" for it being an airplane model was that (with additional airplane parts) it could fly. And it's like, you know what else can fly, Ancient Aliens? A BIRD.
Yeah, but you hit the nail on the head right there. The ancient Egyptians worshipped bird deities, and in Ancient Astronaut shit, all deities were actually aliens. So, if a culture that worshipped bird deities built bird sculptures, they must have been related to the aliens
What's also funny is that a lot of airplanes designs themselves are inspired by birds. Humans are inspired to create things through observations of nature all the time. There's literally a word called "biomimicry" for this exact phenomenon. Like ;jkvwjq bro. It's not that these bird toys look suspiciously like planes. It's more like. Planes tend to look suspiciously like birds. Because a lot of planes. Were designed after real-life birds ;zkvwm;
Well, working in the current US public education system, I can tell you they're killing two birds with one dollar. I hope to see it decentralized and soon.
I would like to say that although the video makes it very clear, Kirby was never a racist. His life contained a lot of prejudices and not always friendly environments, and the guy presented diverse characters for both companies. Gabe Jones in the howling commandos, black skinned pioneers in New gods like Vykin or Black racer, and how to forget the black panther. The list does not end there, but the truth is that Kirby based his stories on the most interesting part and that makes a story worth telling, and not the ugly and racist part. The other half of Eternals is very cool mythology inspiration, and I think that mixing the two concepts in a story in which it is always clear that it is fiction and leaves aside the discriminatory approach, taking place more with the Celestial makes room for a good story .
Yes, for sure. Marvel Comics is a land where Thor is a real person, sorcery exists, radioactivity equals superpowers, and an ancient Pharaoh was actually a time traveling from the 31st century. I know Eternals wasn't originally part of the main MU, but it's regardless pretty obvious that he wasn't claiming this to be fact. (And who knows if he even recognized the racism -- I honestly had never considered it until just now, so it's easy to overlook.)
The guy also loved nothing more than punching nazis. Kirby was calling out the shit Hitler was doing with Captain America well before The United States even joined World War 2.
This is honestly my only real problem with this video. Like I get that the story line of going from a simple comic topic to this whole thing about politics and history is why we all subscribed to this channel. I still think that the place we stared and the place we ended up are so very different that equating them seems a little off to me. Like he said he doesn’t think liking the eternals means you’re a racist conspiracy theorist, which is both an obvious statement and a necessary clarification, and that’s good. Still these kind of things kinda rub me the wrong way.
I have genuinely no idea how to make it clear conspiracy theory inspired fiction IS just all fictional when there's a cult based around hp lovecraft's works, believing it to be real and do 'spells' with his literature. there's been other people believing in wack shit based around other pieces of modern media too - and even way more niche works - but that's the best example I've got of this dilemma I have as a writer myself, it feels like a very thin tight rope
NerdSync: “I’m not calling you a fool for believing any of this” Me: You know what I feel like a fool for? Believing this video was actually about the eternals comics….
As soon as I saw the title for this video I thought "That doesn't sound like a Nerdsync topic." Then I watched the video and it started making a lot more sense. lol And what we got was a lot more interesting than just complaining about how bad Eternals is.
I can't believe how dumb this video is. Sorry but I *have to* rant. This guy thinks we're so stupid that he has to "debunk" ancient aliens theories! Not only that, he judges a comic "bad" because it's based on a fictional premise, like, I don't know, Star Wars. I guess Darth Vader has been a historical figure. Meanwhile, he himself bought into the "ancient aliens it's due to racism" conspiracy theory. Unbelievable
I'm Peruvian. Thank you for showing me the dude that put in the world's mind the idea that my ancestors weren't intelligent enough to do stuff. Now I know where to direct my anger.
i honestly wanted to know what made the eternals comics bad,but honestly this video felt like it was mostly about ancient aliens and jack kirby. Like damn man did the comics have some crazy terrible plotlines or something? was it boring? It feels like this 40 minute video had like 5 minutes of actual content about the comic
I came here to learn about the eternals comics and was pleasantly surprised. From a frustrated Egyptian, thank you for defending our cultures and raising awareness.
OH MY GOD the whole time I was watching the Eternals I was like "This is just like 'It's Probably not Aliens' but the opposite" so I'm glad we got the Probz Podz gang tackling the Eternals
I don't think that Eternals is a morally bad story for doing that tho? We don't call Captain America "revisionist history", we know he's made up, and this is an alternative history. Same applies to Eternals. Especially since Jack Kirby didn't really believed that stuff and only used it as inspiration for his clearly fictional and not trying to convince anyone it's real story.
The Eternals movie "SUCKED" because it was an insult to the comic and anyone who actually liked it were people who knew absolutely nothing about the comic or it's characters but I don't hold that against them because the MCU is mostly aimed at people who know nothing about Marvel Comics characters.
It's so hilarious how every time the Ancient Aliens writers run out of ideas they just said “fuck it, let's turn any mundane archeological object into a fucking airplane" and showed that as proof of historical aliens.
Let's take a moment to give the comics some credit. Kirby took this very popular "theory" that was steeped in racist beliefs that all non-Eurpoean civilizations needed aliens to create them. Then, he pivoted the Eternals to focus on European myths. I don't know if this was active anti-racism on his part (it probably wasn't; might just be because he knew more about European myths) but it's one thing I really appreciate about the Eternals nonetheless.
He was certainly actively anti-racist, and was on the ground floor of eventually turning the whitest people of all's gods into space opera by helping create The Mighty Thor, which eventually went full ancient astronauts.
I don't really see the issue with Jack Kirby's Eternals run, because it's very clearly meant to be looked at as fiction, meanwhile Ancient Aliens try to make their claims come of as facts Great video though
I've read the interview of Kirby somewhere that he never really took wacky theories or conspiracies seriously but if those theories sound interesting to him, he can't help but incorporate in his stories, so I think Chariot of God was also part of that process. he just imagined what if regarding ancient aliens and thought "hm that sounds interesting"
I'm always moved by that clip of Oppenheimer, you can see the palpable disillusionment and horror in his expression, in trying to make an unimaginable power for good, he inadvertently made one for evil
I had already dismissed Von Daniken by the time The Eternals came out (I was 21.) I never took it seriously, but Damnit, Chariot of the Gods was a great premise for an action comic book! It was no more implausible than, say, a kingdom of dinosaurs on Antarctica or a city-state of talking gorillas in Africa or an asteroid orbiting the earth like a moon inhabited by a mutant with electromagnetic powers because, Comics!
Personally the looming shot of Arishem in deep space and the shot of this wall of Eternals memories really stuck with me. The former because it shows Arishem's power dynamic with Sersi without saying a single word, beautifully showing the power any Celestial holds over the already inhumanely powerful Eternals and the second due to the story implications. And obviously both are very visually striking just in general.
@@mercurywoodrose Right... I still think those shots looked amazing. Never said they were better than Kirby's drawings. I actually didn't even mention Kirby at all. So I don't know what you're on about here.
I mean this was entertaining, but it's not really an examination why the comics are bad. Ancient Aliens is obviously pretty dumb. But it works as a premise for comic books. It also worked for Stargate. That doesn't mean you have to accept it as real.
Also, in Lost in Space and Star Trek as they encounter Thor, Valkyrie and Chronos on Lost in Space and Romulans similar to Romans on Star Trek also Apollo the Greek God of light. Also other episodes of advanced technology and civilizations pretending to be gods including Terlane and The Q.
Wait, didn't aliens already make the inhumans so this is "third times the charm" for Jack Kirby when it comes to aliens and gods? Also in the MCU Thor is an ancient astronaut so...
Scott: "A dollar made educating you and a dollar made manipulating you are worth exactly the same" Me, with an incredibly huge brain: yes, they are worth a dollar
Yes. I enjoy the Kirby run on Eternals on art alone. It jumps off the page. It's like strolling thru an art gallery which also happens to be telling a narrative.
I recommend the old episode of Nova, "The Case For Ancient Astronauts" where they blow apart each and every theory Van Daniken put forth, capping the whole thing with Tor Heyerdahl getting together with the natives of Easter Island and putting up their own statue.
I came here to learn about Kirby's Eternals comics, not the Ancient Aliens show. I've seen debunks of that show on other RU-vid channels, and in Community College, I also have eyes... It's necessary to talk about Chariot Of The Gods for context, and explain that Kirby was taking from a foundationally racist theory that he didn't seem to actually believe in - I'm with you that far... But that's where your coverage of the comic ends. Did Kirby build anything on top of that foundation? Did he use his comic to question or reinforce these ideas? Did the comics embrace these ancient cultures in creating its cosmic heroes? Did he wind up telling worthwhile stories? I have no idea, cause you spent so much more time talking about The History Channel. DUDE! I love your channel, I think it's wonderful and I've watched most of it. But this time I feel frustrated.
I feel the same man. I'm a big Kirby fan and thought maybe he had a different perspective of the comic and maybe show that even though he thought it aged bad (in his opinion) but still appreciated it on some level at some point in the video; he spent 40 mins about a subject he could have made a separate video about. In my mind he pulled the same shit that he just criticized the History Channel for doing. What dose Ancient Aliens being a crap show have to do with the quality of Jack's Eternals book? It's a fine video but he didn't have to drag Jack Kirby's name/work into it to make a point.
@@nathangarcia7921 As a debunk of Ancient Aliens, it's not bad. A little repetitive of Quinton Reviews (who did a 3 parter of History Channel vids) but funny and well done. Just wish it wasn't a bait and switch.
Well, I mean, at the heart of Eternals was the interracial relationship between Kro and Thena. Kirby's Kro wasn't the sanitized version of some later comics, but he clearly had much in him to admire and I think a majority of readers were probably rooting for him in the comic. And of course, later on, in the Simonson maxi-series for example, he basically became the outright protagonist of the series, along with Thena.
I guess my point is that Kro and Thena is an interracial romance and that is the heart of The Eternals story. So it doesn't really seem like it can be reduced so easily to a racist narrative.
@@kforcer Kirby also explicitly made the Eternals inspiration for European mythology too from the get go, so he cut the potential racist implication off at the root.
@@solonvergara207 Characterization. X-Men are amazing, Inhumans have interesting ideas but only mildly interesting characters, and Eternals are painfully dull IMO
Juan Sanchez eternal only have Thanos to make them interesting and maybe Gilgamesh and sersi because they did they are the most powerful ones and they have a rich history with the avengers
@@directorforplastic7929 because the movie explicitly equates Therna with Athena and Ikarus with Icarus and yet when it comes to the character obviously meant to be Mercury, they not only completely ignored the connection, but genderflipped it. Either do that and don’t play up the mythic connections or don’t do it. But the way they handled it made it just awkward forced diversity and left my asking why the mythological Mercury was male (and presumably not deaf). They didn’t even address it. This was a problem.
@@TrekBeatTK In the MCU the Romans could’ve easily gender-flipped her to fit either their narrative or what they thought they saw. Stories easily get adjusted, changed, or misremembered as time goes on
@@TrekBeatTK …? That makes no sense lol. Thena is the god A-Thena, dubbed the goddess of war simply because she could summon weapons. Ikarus is a non godly mythological character who, in “reality”, had powers. Their names are both spelled wrong, their presence worked into myths in a completely abstractulised way. Why is Makari, a character many of the ancient people likely never got a good look at due to her speed, such a problem? Why would it be weird for Greek culture to gender flip her, given that they were a male dominated society? Why is there a problem with her, but not with Ajak? Phastos and Hephaestus are wildly different too. You went into this movie looking for a thing to be mad about because you think that diversity is being forced, but people of all colours and genders and sexualities have always existed. Sorry that I’m the one to break it to you I guess.
using ancient aliens fantasies as the foundation for Eternals doesn’t make Eternals bad. The lack of any idea as to how to resolve the storyline is what makes it bad.
Kind of a bummer this episode wasn't really about the Eternals comic, or whether it was a good story. But I am all about debunking garbage conspiracy theories. So I guess it's a wash.
The big different about the eternals though is that it was always meant to be fiction. There is absalutly no way that marvel is trying to convince us that the eternals are real.
I used to consume a lot of paranormal content, and then one day I was watching one of those shows on the History Channel and thought "This guy has no idea what he's talking about". That was the day I became a skeptic.
Good video, but I have some criticism. This might be due to my familiarity with the topic as a historian, but the video was kind of repetitive. I already know ancient alien theories are racist, and I would have been more interested to know how the work of fiction uses and adapts its source material and what kind of effect that had on conspiracy theories irl, if any.
I've had knowledge of the Ancient Aliens show and how the Eternals essentially have that basic concept as well but I never knew about "Chariot of the Gods?" and how they both stemmed from it. I also didn't about how the idea itself based on racism and it changed my whole outlook on how I'll view the idea of Ancient Astronauts in the future. My guess is that it might come of as repetitive when you already know about the subject, but it doesn't if you haven't.
@@KiraNightV yeah agreed, my only connection to the concept was knowing the history Channel has a dumb show. Had no idea it was mostly sparked due to one dudes book that got surprisingly popular. I did already understand the racist elements as, when you say a culture didn't do something for themselves you are already stepping into the territory.
I think the one visual I can really say stuck with me from the movie was SPOILERS IF YOU CARE When we see the Celestial loom over London before he snatches up Gemma Chan and the Gang. But even then that was more for the imagery of Galactus that it was reminiscent of than it in and of itself. But regardless of reason, I did think it looked cool.
I honestly wonder how much they'll handle Silver Surfer and Galactus in the MCU, since Eternals (the movie at least) deals with a lot of the same theme and imagery. Galactus and the Celestials are both different stand ins for "God" so I guess overlap is expected. I'm just still waiting for that concept art of the Celestials walking on earth, their legs above the clouds, to be on the big screen.
This was the most entertaining bait-and-switch youtube video I ever watched. I ain't even mad. But please actually make a video about the Eternals comic books now, I genuinely am interested to see if Jack Kirby's interpretation of the ancient aliens theory added anything new or interesting to the concept and if it had any lasting influence on the rest of the marvel universe.
It did have lasting influence on the Marvel universe, although the story behind that is interesting. Kirby didn't want Eternals to be canon to the Marvel universe, but the higher-ups later overruled him. So the Celestials became a recurring species/concept in the comics, which you can see the influence of in the GOTG movies, and the origin for humanity in Jack Kirby's Eternals became the definitive version of it in the Marvel canon. It was also later tied in with things like the mutants, with the Celestials intentionally giving humans the potential for mutations and such.
Okay so this wasn't about the eternals comics being bad, you barely touched on it. This was about the so-called science of ancient aliens and it being an obvious influence on the eternals. I was expecting a video on why the comics were bad based on the title of the video, not a video on the spurious logic of ancient alien conspiracies.
As an Asian person, I don’t think the idea of alien astronauts is inherently racist even if the people who are responsible for spreading the idea into the mainstream were or are racist. It’s just an inherently cool idea especially if treated the way it should be, as a wacky theory that shouldn’t be entirely dismissed but should also be given zero credibility. If anything the lack of application of “alien theory” to western cultures is simply indicative of how boring most western mythologies are. With the exception of Norse and Greek mythologies, there’s not much to apply alien theories on, especially since white people essentially invented things like firearms and cannons so they could kill each other more efficiently. I don’t get why Kirby putting these cool ideas into his comics makes the eternals comics bad, he even goes through the effort to apply this alien theory to Greek mythology, a very obviously white and European mythology. Just because he was inspired by “Chariots” doesn’t mean the idea of alien astronauts is inherently racist, von Daniken doesn’t have a monopoly on alien theories lol, in fact he stole most of his ideas from already existing literature. For example Nazi scientists was responsible for some minor breakthroughs in science, but just because they were monsters doesn’t mean that the science they founded was inherently evil. Don’t give the racists too much credit it ruins the ideas they’re associated with, even if the ideas themselves aren’t inherently racist. For the record, I don’t believe in alien astronauts at all, I just think it makes for cool literature.
"For example Nazi scientists was responsible for some minor breakthroughs in science, but just because they were monsters doesn’t mean that the science they founded was inherently evil." That just invalidated everything else you had to say, sorry.
@Dolly that you cannot separate the science from the scientists says volumes about you. We can assume you'll stop using your GPS, or any other item that owes its existence to NASA and its ability to put items in space, and campaign against medical care for hypothermia, hypoxia, dehydration, or opiate addiction since they owe much of their existence to research ( often unethical) or development done by the Nazis. No science is inherently evil, just sometimes the people and the methods used to collect that evidence are.
I TRIED to watch Eternals today and found myself having to rewind over and over because I wound up doing anything except watch the movie due to it being it so boring. I wound up just turning it off.
I remember discovering the Eternals, Chariots of the Gods, In Search Of ... (hosted by Leonard Nimoy), and the Night Stalker all at the same time when I was a little kid. I didn't believe any of it was true, but I enjoyed all of it quite a bit. When we're kids, I think we enter into fantasy worlds much more easily -- and much more honestly. We recognized the fun of myths, monsters, ancient secrets, space aliens, and investigators (or newspaper reporters like Carl Kolchak) going out and uncovering "the truth," without believing it was real. Apparently, some adults need to believe it is.
Scott: "I'm not saying if you like the Eternals that means you're a bad person" Ancient alien conclusion: If you like Eternals you ABSOLUTELY CAN NOT be a bad person. THAT'S SPOOKY!
Coming from a religious, as well as a education valued household, I would always be excited when people would talk about the possibility of alien life or heck any sci-fi topic having the credible possibility to exist in one form or another in our world. Of course I understand that fanaticism can lead one to forget and ignore the real life feats and accomplishments, as well as horrors, that humans have achieved throughout it’s complicated history on this rock and possibly beyond. On the artistry side of things, the Eternals movie could’ve been done really well if it wasn’t just put in the rusty MCU meat grinder of movie making that the general public is starting to get tired off, while also ignoring the vibrant and interesting cultures that this premise could’ve exceeded that if they celebrated that in its design and execution. And in pertaining to that last nugget? I agree that knowledge, just like any form of power, can be tainted depending on how it’s used.
I knew this video was coming, Kirby made galactic, Alien, evolved hymn families have never succeeded past his original conception. (I’m looking at you Inhumans)
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I bought them when they hit the newsstand back in the day, and still have all of them. Kirby's artwork was amazing, no surprise there, but he amped it up for that series.
I've been thinking about that as well, we should be fine, just don't forget to have your ancient aliens visit the white people, too; Marvel struck gold filling that gap in the ancient astronaut theory when they turned Norse mythology into space opera, giving us everything from The Mighty Thor to Beta Ray Bill.
i see the common view when talking about this stuff is that it's racism through calling others useless, but i'm glad you gave the clarity that it's at least unintended on the hand of the believers i personally think the idea that it's a form of racism falls to just an accidental implication, made by the fact when making wild theories it's just harder to target things you already know about and understand just through osmosis, it's a lot less mystical and you can't question something when you already know the answer, but when you have something that you've never heard of, that's miles away, and you know absolutely nothing about, at that point it becomes so easy for someone if they want to, to impart their own desires for something greater to be out there, because to some it's not really that cool for the answer to just be more of the same.
coming back these older videos while waiting for new episodes of it's probs not aliens is hillarious. "i wanna makw a podcast out of this" hoo boy you have no idea what's about to happen!😂
Well, one could argue that without Chariot of the Gods there would be no Battle Star Galactica. Whether that is a good or bad thing depends on your fandom. (Some would claim LDS Apostle Parley P Pratt was a more influential source.)
@@ChrisMaxfieldActs Well, more like Missouri. Glen Larson lore gets weird, according to his son he refused to read a Nightman comic until after he wrote the pilot for the TV show.
@@ChrisMaxfieldActs I have heard that Pratt was the inspiration, the pitch that convince producers to fund it was Star Wars crossed with Chariots of the Gods. His son claims that he had been working on the idea for ten years, long before either of the other two were famous. One can even see its influence in some of his Six Million Dollar Man scripts. Anyone else remember Bigfoot turning out to be an alien cyborg?
The Celestials are a higher power like a god, and according to the Marvel universe, they intentionally created many races of people, including humans. That's intelligent design. The Celestials created the Eternals with the task of eradicating another race of people those "gods" had created, the Deviants. The Eternals were also supposed to manipulate humanity across centuries, encouraging advancements in war. That's eugenics.
@@dracorex426 I believe as far as the Eternals and the mutant population of Humans and Inhumans are concerned, they were globally meant to act as 'antibodies' that would protect the planet Earth because it was in the interests of Celestials? I havent seen the movie, just heard bits, but I believe in the comics there is also a Celestial seed in the core of the planet and its in the Celestials best interests if these experiments protected that seed from other powerful entities like Galactus...... I believe, I'm pulling from old memory rn
@@dracorex426 in the movie it was revealed that the Celestials designed Deviants to function as the Apex predator of the planets they planned for Intelligent life to prosper on. The deviants original purpose was to eradicate any natural predators that would risk wiping out possible intelligent life. Think how Ancient Tigers and Hawks would hunt early humans. But the Deviants on Earth evolved and went against their designed purpose and just started hunting specifically humans. Which forced the Celestials to create the Eternals who were designed to replace the Deviants and to hunt the deviants ensuring that humans wouldn’t go extinct, they were also tasked with not interfering too much in human culture, like they couldn’t stop wars or any major conflicts between humans since war between humans often leads to innovation and life saving tech being developed. Mutants weren’t ever mentioned in the film, but it is implied that the deviants influenced and altered the life on all the planets they picked to host an unborn celestial. So the MCU versions of these races were designed for a purpose by the Celestials but all of them later went against that purpose in different ways.
Wait, wasn’t this supposed to be about Jack Kirby and the Eternals? Instead I got yet another video shitting on ancient aliens, one of the easiest targets around. Oh and commercials for subpar cereal and podcasts. At least he admits it at the end!
My roommate's leaned way too hard on conspiracies about aliens and the deep state, I'll gladly listen to a podcast that can make things feel more grounded. Great episode, Scott!
There is a saying that any technology sufficiently advanced is indifferent to magic in its classification...well I'd say that if a civilization smart enough for inter stellar travel had not only visited us but it had been thousands of years ago their tech would be Magic to us for it to last that long...and as we havent found real evidence of such magic technology there is no evidence of it
I think something interesting is that, even if it was glossed over, the fact that Stonehenge was made by I believe the Celts/Gaels, who were seen as uncivilized and barbaric, meaning that it's yet another group that was seen as "Lesser" being called into question of their ability to *put stones in a group*
I was heavy into alien stuff as a kid, "The 12th Planet" was such a dull slog it took me literal YEARS to get through, and "Chariots of the Gods?" was so chock-full of bad logic and is-that-even-a-fallacies that I repeatedly ended up throwing it at the wall.
I can't believe I slept on this video for over a year because I didn't really want to watch something about the Eternals. The title and thumbnail really do this video a disservice
Chariots of the Gods was a book I liked as a kid. If you read it as fact, worst book you'll ever read. If you read it for a blue print for a scifi story, it's great. I wrote scifi stories based on it. Correction, Mexico is in North America. Just throwing it out there.
I really enjoyed Neil Gaiman's mini-series. He really made me feel like the Eternals were ageless and the Celestials divine with how they approached difficulties with absolute certainty and confidence. The whole run felt like a nicer take on Alan Moore's Miracleman.
At one point in my teens ancient aliens caught my curiosity (as esoterism etc) before i snapped out of it; And as a latino i can garantee it wasnt any underlying racism that explained my interest (for example i wondered egyptians made the piramids as homage or worship to then, but human made). I have no doubt theres a lot of that going into it for many people, as racism has (still is) used any and everything to try and justify its nonsense... But im sure the main draw is the same one that grasps ufologists to estorecists (ive met many in the past) - wich is the oldest draw in human history: a answer to everything. Our need for answers, meaning, something tying and explaining everything... you know, like gods, religion... those things that have always attracted us but now face a much harder time being believed in face of evidences since scientific tought rose up. So no surprise a wild theory explaining us on earth and connecting everything more scientific sounding catched on. Heck theres nowadays a very rich church based entirely on pseud-scientific mumbo jumbo that catchs people with science on its name... Im talking from personal experience and the many people ive met with similar interests. It was why i also looked into mysticism/esoterism, also why i jumped between various religions too- i wanted answers. I wondered if there were something more. But im sceptic by heart and self aware enough to snap out of it, unlike so many still. The chariot of gods racist author aside i think this have more to do with how little we know of non eurocentric cultures; The less we know about something the more fertile it is for folk to come up with crazy theories and hoaxes around it. By the same extent they choose what to focus and ignore, people saying its all and only racism chooses to ignore stonehange or the bible (so central to western culture). If you were to look closer at the theories around humans being originated from aliens directly or not (please dont, theyre all nonsense) most invent and fantasize around all humanity, also coming with crazy nonsense in regards to indo-european development and whatnot- because its further in the past (less know). As another example, now in esoterism, some people have crazy theories around norse culture and their gods (trying to tie into other things as well), but i never saw the same been done to the celts- because end of the day we had more documentation on the celts from the romans and later irish monks then we ever did the norse... Same kind of thing, the less know the easier it is for lies to spread. But sure, theres a bunch of racists too. It took me years to find some, only after ive mastered english and saw discussions online around those topics as when i argued with people who, upon the slightest inquiry revealed what they really wanted- to justify their racists povs. Before ive met white english speaking ancient aliens proponents ive never saw any of that... and i dont mean to say all white/european/americans ancient-aliens whatever are racists either, just that those lines of 'tought'(bigotry) run stronger in some countries then others and they sip into every niche, new age mumbo jumbo not excluded.
I gotta say, I don't believe nor do I not don't believe the whole Alien thing, but the idea of them being around before humanity and creating our ancient culture, is such an interesting concept to me. It certainly could be used to create some compelling fiction.
I listen to podcasts every day at work, usually critical role, but you just got added to the playlist baby! You both even get added to my podcast app on the same day! Woo!
@19:08 he says the "hey are you familiar with the concept of...... it basically the idea" and at that instant my ear buds noped out like conspiracy gold. Even my ear buds are trolling me
I completely disagree with your review about Eternals, I loved the slow-burn expository approach of the movie, it felt like I was watching a sci-fi mythology movie. Eternals also has some fantastic visual imagery that's so memorable. So yeah, I loved Eternals. That being said, thank you for highlighting the problematic elements of Eternals source material. Jack Kirby was a Jewish man so I don't think he was ever a religious believer of The Chariot of the Gods theory.
Thank you for posting this. I will share it with others. I hate Ancient Aliens, and hated that the Eternals is basically the same thing. Marvel Comics, has the Greek and Norse Gods still existing, hopefully someone will point out the racism that is casually present in The Eternals, and they can correct it by introducing all of the worlds Pantheon of Ancient Gods, just as Thor's Asgardian people existed, the actually Greek Gods and all the others should exist. The Eternals can just be the "New Gods," I'm mean the Eternals.
as someone with an anthropology degree the thing is!!!! archaeology itself is super fascinating and interesting!! I remember in my first anthropology class being shown a little bear toy that was created by humans hundreds of years ago and just falling in love with learning about the creativity and ingenuity and resilience of human beings!! and it just so frustrating to see how these conspiracy theories just discredit all that as if humans themselves can't be awe-inspiring. They act like the truth is somehow less interesting which is so disheartening to see because in my experience the mythical may be exciting but the truth is almost always much more beautiful
Thank you for that uh-oh, racism section. as much as i love ancient aliens for the fun conspiracies its important to acknowledge the underlying racism the theories imply!
When you said you were making an Eternals video I was a bit let down as it hasn’t sparked much interest in me, but I clicked on the video anyway, as I always do, and I was glad I did. Is there a word for a positive Bait-and-Switch?
I was sorta expecting a critique of Kirby's run on the Eternals, not a critique of a book that most people have forgotten existed. The Eternals also referenced the Bermuda Triangle and a lot of other new-age stuff. But then, comics were never known for having a serious grip on science. Ikd, the video seems like a big step sideways. If you want to do a hot take on ancient alien theory, cool do that. If you want to critique Kirby's Eternals, cool do that. But maybe don't use one for the sole focus of the other
6:00 good point about Jack's autobiographical concept. Anything about Machine Man or just a new hero concept grazing the intellectual consequences of AI ?
Arishem gives you a huge red thumbs down for your heretical dismissal of the King and your shallow, deliberate misunderstanding of his narrative intent. Cue the Kirby Krackle.
This video has been so validating for its explicit callout of the racist mindsets that underly these sorts of alien conspiracies. I spent my childhood reading any (legitimate) literature I could find on Mayan culture and legends, and it was always so insulting to have to entertain other people’s “opinions” and “theories” defending the skepticism that von Daniken and others like him fostered. I’m always here for the Nerdsync-signature Context behind the Content 💖
which is a distortion of what skepticism actually is. If a person has concluded that these ancient astronaut ideas are true then they are a very very poor skeptic indeed.
I just wonder 🤔 why are eternal expired god stories when in marvel have gods already. Like Greek, Egyptian, Aboriginal, Mayan Gods, Chinese Gods, Irish Gods, Manidoog Gods, Russian God, Hindu Gods) Gods of earth
Ehhhh, I really dont think Kirby believed in Danniken's claims. He was just making a comic with any subject or idea that was in vogue at the time and giving them his spin, as he was prone to do in his 70s output, same as he did with Kamandi taking from Planet of the Apes; or with OMAC, that picked a bunch of different ideas that were new in science and technolgy at that moment
