I’d also like to point out that, because Ikaris died flying into the sun, either A) he heard the story and thought “yeah that sounds nice”, or B) Sprite predicted in a story “yeah this is absolutely something that drama queen would do” and was spot on
I just find it crazy because outside of the name there’s nothing in common beyond name. The story is way more about Daedalus then Icarus- yet why would an Eternal add a father figure ?
Actually this confusion is from the comics. When Jack Kirby made the Eternals, the idea was for the Eternal take place in separate continuity, however due to editoral, they were included in the main universe, so was establish they share similar names of the gods, very similar to Peter and Miles or Thor and Jane Foster.
I thought they said that the eternals handle the gods duties on earth and basically add lore to them while the gods themselves are doing their own thing
@@st4ne4rmthevill63 no his name is Odinson, Thor is a title. He's called Thor in the MCU as if it's his given name because he's the only Thor that has been except Jane Foster.
@@jasonninja55 His first name is Thor. His last name is Odinson. Bcz he is the son of Odin. Just as Odin is 'Odin Borson' bcz he is the son of Bor. Idc about that new bs Marvel tried that failed. There must always be a Thor sounds dumb af & only people who aren't actual Thor fans subscribe to that mess.
@@McDirtyMcDan Bruh. Donald Blake is Thor’s human name as a disguise back when secret identity was a thing. It’s not some random dude name “Donald Blake” who became Thor.
In the comics, Thena was originally named Azura, but changed her name after meeting Athena. Obviously this can’t really be said to have happened in the MCU since Thena’s presumably been called Thena long before she ever came to Earth.
Hey hopping on this comment bc u bring up a point I feel explains this after seeing how the gods act in love and thunder! From my understanding, a lot of gods in marvel (and idk if this is canon to MCU but I feel like I remember something about this in love and thunder. Don't quote me lol) are born by people's beliefs in their myth. My thought is that while the eternals inspired stories about the gods and references for what they looked like, etc. that it doesn't translate to the myths. For example, those people were believing in myths about Athena, something they envisioned from an old concept of Thena, and Athena the goddess was born.
@@heavenlyrhyme2539- in the comics the gods are extradimensional beings like the Asgardians. Olympus is reached through a portal on Mount Olympus just as Asgard is reached via the rainbow bridge. Similar portals exist to Heliopolis (Egyptian pantheon) and other divine realms. Because Earth is one of the axes of the universe many of these entities end up coming to Earth in particular. Odin was around in caveman times. And Cthon from whom Scarlet Witch gained her chaos magic is even older. Like Gaea he was around when the Earth was formed. As for the Eternals, in the comics they and the Deviants are human. When the Celestials visit a planet they uplift one of the dominant species and create three separate lineages of this species: a perfect unchanging Eternal race, an unstable shapeshifting Deviant race, and in the case of Earth the human race that appears unremarkable but has the capacity to surpass the other two over time (ie by evolving into superhumans and mutants). From time to time the Celestials return to test their creations and correct any imbalances in the system (hence them destroying most of the Deviants on one of their visits to Earth to prevent them from dominating the whole planet). The reasons for them doing this are beyond the capacity for humans to comprehend. If the system becomes too out of balance they sterilise the entire planet and start again. And even the actual gods aren't powerful enough to intervene usually when this happens. According to one Marvel continuity, the Celestials create the three races as an immune system to defend their seed inside the planet. At first the Eternals and Deviants form the immune system, but as the seed develops and reaches its time to be born the third race reaches maturity and develops superhuman abilities to defend the planet until the new Celestial is fully grown and ready to be born. Galactus in this interpretation of events exists to prevent the Celestials from overpopulating the multiverse. When he devours a world he's actually draining the life from the Celestial seed so it will never be born. The Skrull homeworld was destroyed by Galactus and had also been visited by the Celestials. In the case of the Skrulls, though, their Deviants outbred the baseline Skrulls and killed their Eternals, hence why all Skrulls are shaoeshifters.
Love and Thunder doesn’t make much sense at all. In Thor 2 Odin’s all “we’re not gods! We’re born, we live, we die!” Then L&T comes around and it’s like “lol we’re totally gods now.”
the writers of thor 2 and thor lgbt are different writers, thor lgbt has been possessed by the ridiculous spirit of today's disney and i don't consider it canon
Another option is that Zeus named his child after the Eternal, knowing that Athena would also become a legendary warrior. The same could be the case for Mercury. It's a bit of a mess, but there are still nice ways that they can clean it up.
No one remembers that character but somehow it caused a big stink over people that did and it caused much of the backlash against sersi's character which is insane
My head canon is that pre-Eternals there was already an Athena, whose name might’ve inspired the naming of Thena. Then Thena and her heroics on Earth helped to spread the worship of Athena by the greeks.
The comics explained it with having thena taking her name from Athena as part of a deal with the Greek gods, her old name was Azura I want to add that the comics are infinitely better than that movie and trying Neil gaiman's story on it would make up with that disappointing mess the MCU did
@@essencemcbaka8484existed for eons out there in the Universe. Not on Earth. Theyve only been to Earth once and thats this film. Their past visions are irrelevant
Could be a case of mistaken identity. Thena and Minerva are running around in the universe at the same time getting consistently confused for one another
This isn’t entirely inexplicable. It is possible the Eternals got their names from Gods who were worshipped by early humans. Maybe they were thought to be one and the same by the mortals.
It's not really that big of deal. They have similar names (Thena and Athena) so people back then could have assumed they were the same. Could be due to them thinking they were shape shifting or even just different accents. It still applies to if the Athena figure is know as Minerva. Why? Because I'm our own history Athena went from being know as Athena to Minerva.
If you want a neat and tidy comic book explanation - Marvel has cosmic archetypes that come from Couldn't-Be-Shouldn't-Be (formerly the 4th Multiverse), which basically means that many characters can be variations of the Archetypes. If you're curious, read Defenders: There Are No Rules.
*There’s bound to be continuity issues* with something as big as the MCU… and at some point they’ll likely reboot - - when they realise that people have to watch 3,000 forgettable Disney+ shows and 700 movies to understand their next team up.
that's very true. they created the ultimates comics at the start of this century to provide an easier starting point for new readers. they'll do it again with films.
Yes this is probably one of my biggest problems with the movie. That and that thanos plan was like just the thing that the celestials an so the eternals would have been preocupied to stop.
That was the whole point of the Eternals. Over the millennia names twist and change. Zuras leader of the Eternals in the comic books (not featured in the movie) became Zeus. Ikaris became Icarus, Thena became Athena. Makkari not only became Mercury but also changed genders. Ajak became Ajax and also gender swapped, and Phastos became Hephaestus. So why are there two Zeus, two Athenas? Well, it's quite possible that the Greek and Roman Gods took the Eternal's names or the Eternals were simply mistaken for the Gods or the other way around. According to Marvel comics the Eternals are one million years old, while Gods like Odin's Grandfather Buri Father of Bor are a little younger. Even Zeus is said to be around 790,000 years old.
Rightfully people points out this is already a thing from the comics. But of course this is already a fundamental part of all myths and legends. There are several different sources, legendariums, hagiographics, four different gospel at least and different skalds drawing inspirations from different sagas. There's not only one Odin. There's not only one Hercules (Or Heracles). There's not only one Amatsu-Mikaboshi. There's not even only one Jesus. I do not say that these different versions are not the same. But the way we read, interpret, perform, sings songs about or pray to these entities underline that they are different versions in one way or another.
Maybe the eternals thought they made them up not knowing the real ones were out there considering their memories were wiped each time it would make sense
I mean, it's no different than any other instance someone accidentally gets credit for another's work. Like whenever an artist is wrongfully credited for a comic they didn't do but it either goes unnoticed, or is just never fixed in reprints.
I read one of the Eternals omnibuses with stories from the last 5 years in it. One of the Eternals states that something to the effect of, “The mortals worship us as gods and it’s starting to irritate the gods.” So yes, these kinds of issues are acknowledged in-universe.
We need to realize that the solid thorough continuity of the infinity saga was a 1 time deal. Now as the MCU begins to expand and expand situations like this are going to become more and more common. The marvel universe is amazingly expansive and has characters based on characters based on characters based on real life figures. As we reach phas 5,6,7,8,9,10 etc were going to have to increasingly suspend disbelief to enjoy these movies.
There's also multiple Gorgons, multiple Sirens and probably half a dozen other characters. Some characters share names and sometimes their histories intersect. It's not totally impossible to believe there might be a mix of both their actions in history
I loved werewolf by night, I loved moon knight, if they can combine the feel of both for the midnight suns it will be fantastic, especially if they watch this 😉
it doesn't make sense if you are not paying attention. They never say those gods don't exist they say some of her exploits are accredited to the Goddess Athena not that there is no Goddess Athena who may have been having exploits of her own. Also the ancients tended to see most gods a analogues. They thought many gods were actually the same Gods known by different names in other cultures
This blows my mind because eternals came out a year before Thor 4. It’s the same thing with WandaVision and the Doctor Strange two movie. I don’t have the writers in the same room so it’s not cohesive. I don’t even want to get started on the Loki show, how that ruined everything.
It doesn't have to be that. People aren't seeing those "gods" every day so they wouldn't know who Athena was. People describe her as beautiful, Powerful, and intelligent. And that can get both so throughout history, people thought it was the same person so they gave her the same name.
The Eternal movie is not perfect but it’s ok far from comic accurate but I like how they portrayed Ajak as this motherly figure in the Eternal’s movie but I don’t like how they killed her off so quick in the movie her death was really unnecessary and I really liked her she was my favourite character in the movie I just wish we could have seen more of her and I love how she is played by the beautifully stunning Selena Hayek
read the comics so it would make sense to you. if you don’t want to, basically you have eternals, olympians, asgardians and other pantheons. Much like venus is to aphrodite, athena is to thena. For the stories, much like how every civilization has a story of a great flood, twas so long ago that nobody knows whose who, and who did what.
They didn't think it through with the writing another issue with phase 4 since we seen that those Gods actually exist. If Zeus exist then the other greek pantheon also exists.
Well, in this sense, they are following how it is in the comic books. In the comic books, all pantheons exist. And the Eternals also exist. This was reconciled by just saying that sometimes they would get mistaken for each other.
Eternals has a deeper story that -like the Earth which is half visible, half not visible- is not directly seen. Each Eternal represents a part of being a human. If you see it, the movie makes perfect sense
As messy as the multiverse in the MCU sometimes is, setting Eternals in an alternate universe and making Thena that universe's version of the Minerva from Love & Thunder would've probably made more sense
Actual is does make some sense. In Thor love and thunder we do see two celestial there meaning that they are aware of the Greek gods existence. We also learned that the eternals are not real, their memories are wiped every time their mission is complete so it could be take one could be inspired by the other. It similar to the situation with two mandrins like from iron man 3 and Shang chi
Its not really a issue you dont see in real life. From what i can see you cant really ever identify mythological characters properly. They always have couple of names to call them that sometimes sound similar to others. Which those others could just be themself. So if anything having 2 Athena's makes it way more realistic
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I am a huge marvel fan and I also studied classic history at school (and beyond). NOBODY CARES ABOUT THIS STUFF. and it doesn't make the stories better to know.
I just always thought of the Roman and Greek sets as different Gods. Just because one was inspired by the other, it doesn't mean it's just one goddess and not two different ones.
This is explained in the comics, and I can't believe I scrolled through a bunch of comments trying to explain this without actually hitting on the official one There's even a comic that showcases a meeting between Zuras and Zeus detailing how the Eternals could operate on Earth and perpetuate the already established myths between their similar parallel members
Maybe the mythological stories were inspired by this two "goddesses", some stories were inspired by Thena and the other stories were inspired by Minerva. Basically there are two powerful beings that the human saw and they mixed them as one.
I don’t see how the Athena one doesn’t make sense. Wouldn’t it make sense if human written mythology was wildly inaccurate? Like, would be rather that all the myths about Thor and Loki that are absurd or out of character just don’t exist in the MCU, do exist and are true, or do exist, and just aren’t accurate, because they are folklore passed by word of mouth other thousands of years? With that in mind, ‘Athena’ could be a total fiction, could be Minerva being mistaken for Thena, a mix of the two people, a 90/10 split. Regardless, we should be taking for granted that human myth is inaccurate. If you look at Greek depictions of, say Dionysus, it’s not like they’re even consistent within themselves. Who he is and what he looked like changes depending on the author.
Its almost like the people who wrote the hercules comics and the people writing the eternals didn't talk to each other and just did their own thing that would be best for their story. I'd say the same thing about eternals and love and thunder buuuut...
To be fair, minerva had less importance as a war goddess than athena did & was more associated with the intellectualism, commerce, & craftsmanship side of herself, so it's possible for the two to be separate enough to be whole different entities
its the same universe....unfortunately its explained in the comics and not movies. Thena was given her name by Athena as a deal made between The Eternals and The Greek Pantheon
So the way Thor L&T presents gods in the universe is that gods exist when people believe in them, Santa clause style. So technically Thena the eternal is the basis of the stories of Athena, but the Greek/Roman people don’t believe in Thena, they believe in Athena, which is why both exist in the MCU
Phase 4 makes the gods thing makes no sense in the MCU. Thor 1 says that they’re not actually gods, just aliens with incredible lifespans and magic powers. That they traveled to earth occasionally and myths were written about them. Same goes for the eternals. But then ‘Moon knight’ and ‘Love and thunder’ say that gods are actually a thing, that mortals affect their status of power and everything, and Thor is considered one of them as he’d die in Gorr’s wish/ vow. If I’m missing something, I’d love to hear what it is.
Simple answer......they both are different in the mcu Done and Dusted..... But when you hate/love something, you find more reasons to hate/love it and make others hate/love it as well
I think we need to ask my brother Jesus about this. Whether Im talking about religion or about my Mexican brother is up to you. So long as you get the point.😂
Maybe it’s an American gods type situation where the belief creates the deity? The eternal inspired certain stories and then the power of human belief retroactively willed them into existence? Idk I’m trying to fix something that is phenomenally broken
If you were an actual fan of the comic books you’d know that Thena was contracted by the Greek Pantheon to portray Athena after they made a peace treaty following war
If you really understand Roman/Greek gods mythology, you would know that Minerva and Athena is a different personality. They’re like a variant of each other but not the same person. So it’s possible that on the roman version of them exist in mcu. But it’s also possible that the real Athena, the goddess of wisdom and warfare just likes to take credit for whatever the eternal’s Thena did from time to time
Eternals doesn’t make sense, but it doesn’t mean Athena doesn’t still exist. In a comic universe, the Eternals would pose as the Greek Gods so they could leave Earth.
It is confusing but the Eternals are not the gods. The Eternals came before them, and they filled in for some mythological figures. Gilgamesh for Gilgamesh, Ikaris for Icarus, Sersi for Circe, and some others. Not are really “gods” (except Gil), and are more like sorcerers, prophets, or shamans, and have portrayed different people through time. The gods coexist in the universe, and Athena would be just very similar to Thena. It’s unclear what the Eternals were doing during the time of Ancient Greece, but I’d like to believe that they fought in the Titanomachy alongside Zeus, and Zeus honored them by giving similar names to his children. Thena and Athena Phastos and Hephaestus Makkari and Mercury (Hermes)
Gets a little confusing but yeah, in the comics it seems all the Greek gods actually do exist in some form (I think like the way the Asgardians exist as powerful aliens?) I’ve only looked into Aphrodite in Marvel.
That is why I dislike the Eternals and the gods in MCU in general. They decide what will be true and what is not. The gods are only strong because they are immortal, but apart from that unless the MCU wants, they do not exist until they have a purpose related to that of the main characters, and most of them would be portrayed negatively.
Isn't the Eternal city of Olympia close to the portal leading to Mount Olympus in Greece. This proximity foster a mutual support pact where sometimes enternals would impersonate the Olympian Gods before their worshipers?
