The EVO curse 

This means I technically have a chance to be the first American SF Evo winner.

IDom was literally 1 good interaction from winning EVO so many times it was devastating to see him lose

Not enough ppl are giving credit to Kawano for having the insane mental fortitude to hold on after getting washed 4 straight games and actually fight back against scrambly Laura and win! Crazy for someone so young on his first time being on this big of a stage. Can't wait for the Daigo x iDom analysis!

Watching Idom literally lose by one move actually broke my heart. Great retrospective. 🇺🇸🇺🇲🇺🇸

It was heart breaking watching it on stream. It was heartbreaking watching the replays. And now its even more heartbreaking after seeing that last match analysis. I'm not even American and I felt it for Idom.

I was there when it happened. I didn't notice the anti air completely missed. The crowd was cheering USA during Idom's Losers run but fell silent for moment when he lost.You can feel the heartbreaking moment.

My first Evo was 2000 when it was called B4. Such a small venue with so many players!

Man, I literally stopped watching pro SF back in Season 2, but I was on Max's stream and watched that run from iDom. Dude made it incredibly entertaining for me once again and I've started following all the news for SF6. It's a great time for me to get back in.

[insert Land of the Free joke here] But seriously, I feel for you guys. I ain't even a US citizen but I can feel the pain of 2nd place.

The emotional damage on punk was so hard that he didn't recovered yet..

God, my friend and I SCREAMED when iDom lost, absolutely heartbreaking.

Gotta give props to kawano too tho, winning with a nerfed kolin

"...Of course I'm just talking about fighting games." LMAO

I knew about Latif when I first started playing SF4 in 2012. I had no idea Latif from Nasr was the same person!

Ryan Hart is timeless.

As a fan of Jelle's Marble Run, the host curse is a real and frightening thing.

I really miss the old EVO from 10+ years ago. It felt more personal and more connected with the community with it being on a smaller scale and on a smaller stage. For me, personally, EVO has not been the same since they moved from Caesar's Palace to Mandalay Bay. It's still a great event, but I feel that it kinda lost some of its spirit that made it so great for me back in the day.

10:58 I said it there in chat and I'll say that again here, if you haven't watched the full set, go watch it because it's so good

Much love to Idom. Hope he stays strong in the Street Fighter scene, and that he also becomes even stronger. But, there's so much sad details in him losing that Grand Finals that it really hurts as a fan. He had to take out TWO previous Street Fighter EVO champs to make it to the last match, where he technically did better than Kawano. Idom went 5-4 against Kawano, but it is what it is with double eliminations.

We got to the Grand finals of 5 events. We won 2... we even lost Mortal Kombat for God's sake. That's our game

I think also of LI Joe's run in 2016. I don't think he made it to Grand Finals, I think he got eliminated in Loser's Finals, but man that was also a heartbreaker. I wanted Joe to win so bad. Japan just too stronk.

sooo painful to watch, but great video! ...but don't worry, I'll win EVO using Modern Controls in SF6 for the USA 🤣

I can't lie, as a Brit, I take an almost sick level of joy in watching Americans lose. Especially after a cringe USA chant. That being said, even I was rooting for Idom this year, he's just too likeable. Great vid!

You're a great storyteller Brine !

I was devastated by idoms loss. He had such a crazy run and it would have been legendary if he actually took it home.

Idom came from losers. Needing to first reset the bracket, then take another 3 rounds is difficult. The player coming from winners can make adjustments and has time to collect data. That's why I have always found the Tokido win over Punk so impressive. Tokido was the one coming from losers.

Punk was never the same after the loss to Tokido. Yeah he won tourneys still but Tokido and that moment was living in his head rent free which caused him to bomb on high pressure matches. Time will tell if same thing will happen to Idom. But to be fair JP has been a force in SFV. If Idom lost to Daigo in losers it would have been an all JP in top 4. And all very strong players I might add

American Tekken players are cursed too. This year America got crushed pretty hard but still put up an amazing fight. Immaculate job on Idom's part though barely follow SF but seeing Idom beat Tokido and Daigo like that is crazy.

I think this EVO could have looked very different if Momochi and Fuudo would have been in it

I don't care what anyone says, this game still has a bit of gas left. This EVO proved that, got DEMM this was hype

I'll laugh if the EVO curse is broken and it's Smug that does it.

0:28 well,thing is. iDom had a literal GODLIKE run of losers bracket. MisterCrimson,Daigo,Tokido 3-0,Gachikun and the bracket reset to Kawano,to the wire of game 5 both losers round 3. I dunno what happened but man did he plat like an ascended being there lol.

It’s not a curse, America is explosive but as we saw in SFV grand finals and DBZ fighter’s grand finals we crack when the pressure is on. It’s not about skill anymore, we have that in spades… it’s about being clutch when it counts and that’s what we as a region should get better at.

My boy Idom just went for too many command grabs in that final round. He got over aggressive. His run was still a thing of beauty.

Great video man thanks! That match with Kawano vs Idom was so intense. That last few rounds were crazy.

I saw it live, I was sad to see Mr crimson lose, but after seeing you playing against idom numerous times, I followed his matches. After the win against crimson, daigo and gachikun, I couldn't see him lose. This was so intense ... I felt pain for him... So close... But one day, the true hero of America will bring back the Evo championship to home ;)

I think only a couple of places in the US were able to import vanilla sf4 arcades cabs through connections. Like I believe Chinatown fair in NY and family fun in California had cabs in 2008. So top players in those areas had a little bit of practice but not at the level of Japan because of availability. It wasn’t until version AE 2012 that we actually had parity when capcom released the update for consoles around the same time as arcade

Watching idom go on a tear through top 8 was amazing to see but sometimes there is no storybook ending and you have to give it every player putting up an amazing showcase of skill

It was my first Evo ever. Never was into fighting games e-sport so i had no favorites .I only knew JustaKid from one of your video and Daigo of course but damn...Idom got me hype as hell. Trully broke my heart to see him lose so close to the W after all that. This first Evo was bittersweet . "He's still in the chair!" Of course he is. Devasting

Yeah this guy knows what happened in those final rounds. That whiff made my stomach HURT

That thumbnail is golden

I just might win this next year for not only the USA being my first attending EVO2K to bring the end of the foreigner streak in EVO2K but also score a huge upset and victory for the Galactic Empire of Star Wars as a casual Imperial officer. Much respect to both Kawano and IDom this year All hail and long live the Empire!

It's finally over, bros...

The fact that justakid got top 8 with juri is crazy

Long video and I'm biased but I wish this included snake eyez 2014 run where he got 4th. Good stuff though!

It's not cursed. Players just aren't good enough to win. Evo is comprised of mostly players from the USA. There are so many it just makes sense that at least one would get far in the tournament. Winning Evo would take more than just high numbers though. If he goes to Japan and beats all the Japanese and European players then that would be impressive and make him the best.

John Choi was the last American who won EVO, and he was also using American arcade parts. Since then, every American challenger has been using either pad or Japanese parts. Coincidence? 100% certainly, but it's still weird that no one uses even iLs any more.

According to the great Dominic Toretto: "It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning's winning" Idom lost. GG's

I teared up watching Idom vs Kawano. Never seen such heart in a match, idom holds my respect forever

Problem X ( i play the game but i don't play no games) brought the crown home to EU - easy work.

I think Idom was the peoples champ this year. I wanted him to win months before Evo lol. 2nd is dope but this year man this guy just put in so much work.

It started with that connected one high kick. And everything went crumble

I've been watching these SF4/5 top 8 since 2010, sometimes taking the monday off (being 9hours ahead of Las Vegas), and it truly does feel like the US Evo chances are cursed. I'm both happy about it as it puts some meat in the game (how I've relished watching Logan-sama rub that salt in 365/365 24/24 after Luffy & Problem X), adds value to the whole thing, yet understand how frustrating that must be for American viewers & spectators, especially on home soil. I liked that the Alpha lost in 2017 (T-bagging habits aren't my thing), after being taunted out of form, yet would've preferred Idom to finally break the curse. Hope he eventually manages.

2022 was my first time watching Street Fighter at Evo. I'm usually not patriotic, but something about seeing only 1 American in most of top 8, slaying JP gods in losers, just to lose after a bracket reset hurts. Idom is my new favorite player.

12:11 the TONT? He did a TONT COMBO to PONK??? i love it when commentators get their voices hoarsed up from shouting for days on commentary xD

lets go ryan hart, altering the timeline this many years into his fgc tenure

+1 for mentioning the sessler commentating! Also, Latif is cool but his run was a fluke. He had a high damage character and there weren’t many great Viper’s in Japan. Uryo had a viper but he was never on Daigo’s level and to top it off, Latif never did that well in SF ever again. Also it would be great to do a video on hitbox, joystickless controllers. They are the future. Daigo, tokido and Kawano all used them.

Can someone elaborate on Idom's anti-air wiff? By Brian saying it's the game's tracking, I can't tell if he's saying it wasn't supposed to happen or not. From my understanding, Idom unfortunstely pressed the punch at the exact frame that results in Luara facing left whiles Kolin lands on the other side.

Oh god, that segment of the 2010 finals reminds me of when they had that fight night thing and forced that poor starcraft commentator to try to follow literally anything that was going on

It makes sense though, the biggest tournament takes place in the US so the states always has to play against the worlds best at home.

Days later this set still makes me sad

Rog better be in Sf6 at some point, or dudley

Then Punk came...

Good thing I found Molly for that sick top 8 otherwise I would have been majorly bummed out in that crowd. Still an amazing run for iDOM!!

That missed elbow was so, so painful

This is a really good Evo history lesson. Great video

Amazing video! Also goosebumps going thru these years.. its hard to believe its been that long, so many iconic matches, USA always this tiny bit short in finals but they always lose to really proper champions and no shame in that, i laughed so hard on the latif situation, telling his story and epic 2011 run just to end it with "for the propose of this video you're an American 😂😂😂" 2011 was brilliant, but on the subject, Idom loss was so heartbreaking because he was close but in the same time he was facing a rising star just like himself, punk faced a legend already but let's be honest, i never saw a beating like 2017 EVO! That was humiliating, the taunt,the raging demon, Japan always stops usa from evo , can't wait for evo Japan! Hopefully all players will be there!

In long sets most of the time it will favor the Japanese player. That is what they are good at. Eventually they will figure Idom style of play just like how they did to Punk. But just imagined if more Japanese player were to come for Evo, there a very good chance Idom could have been eliminated before top 8. No matter how good you are, there's aways a Japanese player to match you.

LAND OF THE FREE!!!

0:00 Based

Don't be too worried Brian. In the Tekken World the US gets bent over pretty often with the exception of like Anakin and lil Majin and even our best like them and like Cuddle Core just can't make it. JimmyJTran is strong but he only represents the US but it's not the same

lol one of Max's mods got SO salty that i was reveling in Idom NOT winning EVO that he perma banned in Max's chat XD

Yo that thumbnail had me cracking up.

Love this your fgc history videos are always super interesting & this especially was super fun & gave lots of cool context & background thanks for all your stuff Brian !

He was so close, i was crushed when that bullshit combo got him 😩 the Kolin was nutz tho

16:18 y'all did rivera dirty

I've started following the CPT and tournaments since Evo 2012/13 I think? And I noticed that Karma can be such a b sometimes. When an NA player gets so close to getting EVO and people start chanting "USA" that's the moment when it flips completely on them and they lose the opportunity. It's unfortunate, but it's not the first nor the last time. Idom probably had the best chance of winning EVO for NA in SFV's history (even more than Punk in 2017). I was really rooted for him to win it all after seeing him run a train through Daigo, Tokido, Gachikun to get to Kawano in the losers gauntlet.

We'll get our chance in street fighter 6, Street Fighter 5 has been one hell of a journey for the competitive scene. I hope to see that same energy in 6.

The way Tokido shook his hand you knew he wanted the runback

I feel like Chris T has a good shot for 2023

We've had a few American SF EVO champs. Just not in the mainline games when they were the main event. That said, probably the most high profile win on the big stage was SnakeEyez winning Super SF2 Turbo HD Remix back in 2010: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mymF0oYFhiA.html

Idom on my opinion deserved this win more than anyone, that MP that whiffed was definitely cursed.

I yelled so loud when that Laura autocorrect screwed everything up, it hurt so much...

Me and the homies were truly sad when idom lost. I don't even play sf but we were so invested

After the Daigo match I was like thats a great run if he loses after its ok. Just to not get my hopes up. But dude just kept going and smoking them. Had ALL the hope flow into me when he got the GF reset. I muted the stream and everything because my nerves couldnt take it lmao. So close like 1 combo away. I was sick for Idom. GGs to everyone though.

I remember seeing that whiff live and knew it was over. It was crushing

This argument is wrong. It has nothing to do with the system. He simply pressed early and did not consider the hanging time of kuwano in the air when he was landing. Also, robbery tactics can only get you so far. The last round he literally could not get a chance to rob. He was forced to play a strong neutral game and failed miserably. Kuwano used his understanding , patience and skill to beat Idom.

DONT FORGET ABOUT DSP! HE WAS THE TOP SUPER TURBO PLAYER IN AMERICA IN 2005! OKHAAY? ALRIGHT? SNORTTTTTT

Love the content on this channel. Didn't even know this fact was a thing. Great vid!

It’s not a curse; it’s a matter of culture. And I don’t mean that there’s something ‘wrong’ with US culture - more like we’re missing certain perspectives completely All we have are random RU-vid guides and 1 or 2 general strategy articles including that Guilty gear article that never was finished. Japan actually have real articles on how to genuinely think and look at these games. On a very microscopic level. NO one…has broke ground on explaining things like that. No one. You have some simple RPS stuff people get into but it’s always impromptu, messy, tons of training mode menu shenanigans you gotta wait through…but it’s no surprise Japan is just better. They’ve had ‘muks’ the magazine/books ONLY on strategy for a long time. When the US starts taking content seriously & teaching for real in quality ways it’ll only help themselves understand these concepts better in addition to other players. Need to chill on the Uber basics & get into the nittygritty. Is there anyone who talks about real neutral for example? For each matchup? Over just situations to use moves? Or explanation of combos apart from flowcharts & WHY you’re doing certain things? There’s a huge drought - just unlimited grinding. That’s not gonna cut it dude. If we don’t learn psychology of each phase & ACTUAL combat theory we’ll stay like this forever

Come on B, weeks before evo and y’all playing dnf, GGStrive and Multiversus, while Japan is grinding. America has top players while Japan has top sf players…

The reality is fighting games are more than just about beating up the other guy, mind games, mix ups, tech, timing, etc and yes on the surface it looks simple but on the inside...not so much

I will bring it home for us.

Next year is a new year and new game, it's our chance. Also, great fucking video Mr.F, we need more FGC history videos on youtube.

Let me get this straight : as an European, I wanted Idom to win. Dude is mad chill, he's humble, cool, just shows up and collects wins, never trash talks or tbags. He's the Punk opposite. When Crimson got eliminated, I cheered for Idom but boy... American people jinxed him so bad... Running they mouths on twitter... Unsufferable. The heavens cancelled his win to teach you guys how to stfu. Sad for him tho.

idom lost because he was fishing for command grabs. going nuts has its limits

Afro cole is 100% the last american that can claim winning a mainline SF EVO. It was a main game and it was SF, I can understand what Brian is saying but even he says it the best JP players still came out.put some respect on Afro Coles name.

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Kawano is the best between the two. If They meet again and iDom wins, it'll be tied and whoever wins the third will be on top, it's that simple. iDom did go through more matches and overall got more wins against Kawano, but the end result is what matters. The amount of people "taking" the win away from Kawano on the day he won and the following few was ridiculous. Thankfully Brian didn't do such thing

I thought SnakeEyes won with Gief back in SF4? Must’ve been a different tournament,