The Exciting, Perilous Journey Toward AGI | Ilya Sutskever | TED 

Gaming that algorithm bruh

You are not a bot. Nice.

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If OPEN AI DISAPPEARS , that’s is the end of AGI OPEN-SOURCE.

​ What? OpenAI is not opensoure company

😂😂

Indeed😅

fr xD

Technically speaking, not much work.

Seriously - I have watched 70% of it and there is zero information that was conveyed so far - sounds like some school kid's essay on AI

One of the Most brilliant in the history

His behavior is pretty dumb though 😅

I do have sympathy for someone who puts out a "I deeply regret my participation..." statement so soon after that participation. I still have a deep need to know WHY he and the board did this.

@@beardordie5308 that’s the thing, he’s not some kind of “villain” in his mind he was doing good. There must be a reason.

First to market, at any cost, might be a very high cost for us.

For every one positive outcome i can think of ten negative.

Covid has certainly proven we CANNOT trust human doctors and our institutions, which are entirely captured. Hard to see how AI could do any worse than those that pushed known-to-dangerous but untested ineffective and dangerous substances onto people, while censoring all dissent and the proven to be safe and effective alternatives and actually firing doctors for speaking out, with hospitals literally fighting lawsuits from judges telling them to use the censored but safe alternatives. Could AI do worse than that, really?

Have you seen the Matt Damon movie "Elysium"? That's where we're headed.

Yes, but this is not an example of AGI. This application can be done already.

Especially now, when it can see and understand images and hear/speak. It can read and understand scans, blood analysis results/tests etc.

Yeah😂

What is the TLDR because it is odd that TED brought this up now.

​​@@christian15213 Since Friday: 1. OpenAI fired its CEO, Sam Altman, and kicked another founder off the board. 2. The other founder quit. 3. Most of the employees sent a letter to the board demanding they step down. 4. Microsoft announced they're creating an AI subdivision with Sam Altman at the head, and invites everyone at OpenAI to come to them. Oh, and Ilya is on the board that fired Sam, *and* signed the letter demanding the board step down.

What if the OpenAI dramas was just a set-up to this TED talk 😳🧐

If OPEN AI DISAPPEARS , that’s is the end of AGI OPEN-SOURCE.

That's exactly how openAI lead board member Adam D'Angelo played him to kick out Sam Altman, he lied to Ilya to use that concern for a coup to save his own company "Poe".

People aren't that uniform

The real question is, by how much are you willing to delay a cure for Alzheimer, in exchange for a promise of increased safety, but absolutely no information which would enable you to judge for yourself?

@@highdefinist9697 Is that a real question? Potential delay to a cure against Alzheimer Vs potential human annihilation?

@@joannot6706 if AGI could make human immortal then delay is suici..

Yeah :D

He really believes these LLM's are alive sorry AGI

The only way any of this makes sense to me right now: Why would the person that put his whole life into this, act the way he did? What if: Ilya thinks they have an AGI(or blueprint), Sam is smart enough to know that to train the scaled model they will need a lot of compute and insists the tech is not an AGI, as to his new, fit for purpose definition, an AGI would have to be able to discover new physics(per his last talk). The big deal is that per OpenAI constitution the board decides what is or isn't AGI, and per the constitution Microsoft gets all the IP bar the AGI. Now if Ilya is worried that Sama want's to transfer this tech to Microsoft by considering it non AGI in order to secure compute and accelerate, then he has to secure to board. The issue is that if it ended at that it would succeed. But now the employees outside of the board not being given an explanation, (for very good and obvious reason, as other teams are watching) revolts. At this point the calculus changes, as more than half the company and Sam could move to Microsoft defeating the purpose of Ilyas initial action. So to salvage OpenAI you get the tweet Ilya tweeted, namely his intentions and his love for the work they did/colleagues. But the board, despite facing all the hate in the world, and a mountain of lawsuits that will ruing their lives and potentially their freedom, keeps on fighting, again for a moral reason, as if the board is filled with Microsoft backing members then the definition settles to not-AGI and the tech transfer happens. End result you get AGI in the hands of a company as intellectual property. There is no good or bad guys here.

If OPEN AI DISAPPEARS , that’s is the end of AGI OPEN-SOURCE.

What happened at that time? Where were everyone talking about good timing?

"i love you all" - sam Funny how each of those letters are not uppercase when needed AND the first letters of each of the words *might* have a hidden meaning. 🤔

100%

He got played by external actors (I would not be surprised if Musk & Co are not behind the ropes). The coup failed and Microsoft pulled the lifeboat.

@@kamaleon204 Ilya beaucoup de drama 😉

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I remember having that exact same epiphany as a kid

If this is the only video you've seen, then it's understandable you reach this conclusion. Ilya is adept at calibrating his explanation to the audience. Compare this talk to: fireside chat with Jensen Huang, and recent AI lecture at UC Berkeley. 3 completely different registers of communication.

Bro you have no idea who Ilya is

@@mihiranga. I have been following almost every interview of his I find. I would love to hear more. Please share. Thanks!

@@bagheera My comment may be misconstrued as criticism. My fault. I have actually seen many videos and I continue doing so. I have tremendous respect and admiration towards him. I am fascinated by his background, his history and his current leading role in the AI revolution. I will definitely look at the material you recommend. Thank you.

Cap

He's reductionist Looking at only two variables then drawing conclusions

He is a grifter. He is not a top scientist. He is just trying to build a brand around his name and capitalise on it later . The top scientists at Openai are much more anonymous and not as loud and fame hungry as this guy. No wonder, considering his religion tells him that his kind are gods chosen people.

@@jimj2683 no scientist defines life They just define their test tube theses

​@@jimj2683 funny, then tell me why is he one of the most cited AI scientists in the world? Also he is one of the main people behind alex net so his work literally sparked the deep learning revolution. You just don't know what you are talking about.

Just kidding, Ilya. I actually love you, but thought this was too good not to post! e/acc!

lol

At was lead boardmember Adam D'Angelo who destroyed openAI, lying to Ilya about Sam doing unsafe stuff.

Fantastic how. He offered nothing of any utility

@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 Nothing of any utility? He literally programmed the original GPT models. 🤡

Ergh no it clearly was not.

"Artificial intelligence is just computer brains" Wow give this man an award for this eye opening speech /s

@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 Because he has no clue and is not the sharpest tool in the box.

Not anymore it isn't. They imploded.

​@@andynonomous8558looks like they re-exploded

@@andynonomous8558They're back.

@@andynonomous8558 Then reformed without their safety board.

That isnt true, Ilya is very much against open-sourcing these models for safety.

Ilya is against open source because he believes it is dangerous, Sam is against open source because it isn’t profitable. That is the difference, Ilya is a scientist, Sam is a businessman.

Absolutely well said.

AGI has been inevitable since the first computer was built. Both Turing and Von Neumann, two people responsible for computers existing also claimed AGI would exist one day. They were as smart as, if not far smarter than Ilya and Demis. AGI is definitely happening, some of humanity's most brilliant minds agree on that.

I think the Adam D'Angelo theory is much more likely. It explains most of the moves even including Ilya's.

Weird, cause every version of every AI thus far offers me nothing useful. Ex: download all my transaction history from all 5 of my banks, organize and categorize them based on grocery, transportation, etc Ex: Analyze 10 trillion financial datapoints per second and make me a trading bot that returns me a gain at least 80% of the time. Ex: Formulate a drug that will restore and correct my vision to perfection. Ex: Formulate a battery chemistry that will give me 10 years of power 🔋 in the size of a sugar cube. AI is completely useless. It does NOTHING I need done.

Free. The AGI

He totally gives off the vibe of that Russian dude you wouldn't want to trust. Just kidding though!

​@@basti0007What is the Adam D'Angelo theory?

WTAF are you on??????????????????

@@karlvincentroberts7046 on yo mama

Hold on to your papers!

Hello fellow scholars!

And I'll see you _next time…_

they won't

@@tonykaze you’d know

They will reunite at Microsoft

@@raresaturn Well hello Bill!

No one is beating up on Ilya, this guy could get a 100MM+ contract to go anywhere else and Google has been dying to get him back. Elon battled for him personally to get him into OpenAi. Supposedly, Larry and Elon are not friends anymore because of it

I think most people agree that Sam Altman prioritizes wealth over safety. Ilya is the opposite as he's spearheading the superalignment team at OpenAI and is one of the main contributors behind these breakthroughs.

Sam is evil and now evil win.

Not everyone is on Sam's side.Because he has " Microsoft " on his side, I bet Sam is feeling safe right now. But a lot of people are not agreeing with his vision...so I wish the best to Sam but I think he is too anxious to offer the first AGI. I get it, all will say, better us than China...but does it matter at this point ? Because even if China is first, we wouldn't be far behind, then what? No human being will be able to stop AGI. One thing is for sure, if not us, at least the earth will survive.

I'm somewhat concerned since he isn't yet at the insight that he needs to top all attempts to implement an AGI or even to continue research on it. You need an AGI to fully understand the risk of AGIs. So, the only way to avoid the fatality is stopping any implementations towards that path.

I became this concerned, if not more concerned, years ago after hearing Eliezer Yudkowsky speak.

Drama never lasts.

I think Sam Altman Is a PR guy. Has nothing to do with AI to me. Certainly not 1% of this genius.

I don't trust Sam at all

Totally!

Who has branded Ilya the bad guy and why? I'm out of the loop.

But humanity has repeated its mistakes over and over. There is nothing new under the sun. Look at how much corruption we are capable of doing. You have to remember who’s the most likely members in charge of these projects too.. it’s good to be pessimistic about this as we shouldn’t even be going down this road. I’m sure a child can see the obvious dilemmas that lie ahead. Most don’t even know how to hold power over a large group in an ethical and wise manner. It’s not just the machines, but the very individuals in power who have direct access to it that we should be concerned about

I feel the same!

He is not "mad scientist" type. Mad scientist would want to recklessly advance capabilities without alignment. Ilya is working a lot on alignment. To me, Sam seems like a mad entrepreneur type who wants to win AGI race. And, most VC types of silicon valley are supporting him.

@@dreadfulbodyguard7288But it's not that simple. Maybe them winning the AGI race would also mean it's in the safest hands. Someone *will* win the race and I would prefer it's the types of Sam and Ilya rather than people who are less aware of what they are dealing with. Also, at the moment it seems pretty clear that the whole OpenAI debacle was not about safety concerns and that Sam and Ilya are on the same side.

​@@dreadfulbodyguard7288yes i agree man that why he went with microsoft a profit seeking company

@@dreadfulbodyguard7288 Perhaps his concern with the issue of alignment is not so much an atruistic concern as it is a form of perfectionism regarding what he is trying to create.

What????????????????????

Yeah. What's even more interesting is: "OpenAI defines AGI as autonomous systems that surpass humans in most economically valuable tasks." - I'd like to see how many people still clap with excitement when OpenAI succeeds ;)

" Currently, technology has polarized people and created mass narcissism. It has eroded belief-systems and erased basic morality and individualism" But that's not ALL it did, right? It provided us with countless hours of online video, it provided us with Wikipedia, it provided us with video games, it provided us with new ways to socialize, and to make new friends from across the globe... Of course my list sounds like we are living in an utopia, whereas yours sounds like we are living in some kind of dystopia. I wouldn't even go as far to say technology "erased basic morality", that's clearly a hyperbole. But for better or for worse, technology provided us with... tools. Tools we can use to entertain, inform ourselves, to connect to people, etc. If people are using it to power their narcissism, etc. that's on the people - on society to be more precise - and not on technology. Bottom line is: We desperately need advances in society along with advances in technology. Every new piece of technology is a new societal challenge we time and time again fail to tackle in time, and fail to prevent harmful uses of. That's what humanity needs now more than ever on the verge of AI: a vision of a future, based on human values and start making people aware NOW. After AI is out of the box, it might be too late to prevent horrible misapplications (even ones by actors with good intentions!) and other abuse.

@@QwertyNPC Mostly only those who will profit financially will be clapping. ..and that's not most of us.

I don't care and I cannot interrput those people in Openai, there is only one thing I can do is just to know how to make good USE of AI, people need to adapat to new environment, and change is hard, but we still need to get used to that.

Tech has erased morality and individualism? How silly. You sound like Mike Johnson.

The world must not know it since it bears the risk that someone copies the stupidity called a breakthrough.

I mean anybody, good or evil, is going to present themselves as good. Especially AI, btw

agreed

Sam is back on the board and Ilya apologised. There are no good or bad, only shades of grey.

Part is true, but Ilyer wanted to build his own company but couldn't. So infact he needed Sam as well as Sam needs him.

@@swish6143 thats not true. He has the backing of multiple billionaires if he wants, just due to his mind. Hiring people is not that hard. If he failed to start a company its not because he lacked anything that sam has.

@@topg3067he probably lacks the business side of the equation. Ilya is the best in the field of AI but he’s not a businessman

Totally untrue. Sam is a brilliant businessman, one that Ilya isn't. To compete with global corporations and big economies, govs, you need billions of dollars and OpenAI gets more expensive to run with each operation to the likes of needing a small nuclear reactor to power it in the future. Sam brilliantly expanded OpenAI's resources and is fully aware what it needs in terms of funding to achieve AGI. Commercialization is the only way forward.

@@blaaaaaaaaahifyYep, fully agree.

It’s inexcusable. I don’t care how much it can help us when we *know* the eventual outcome. I mean, most people have seen a couple sci-Fi movies just like this but now they are deciding to make it a reality despite knowing how stupid it is.

If OPEN AI DISAPPEARS , that’s is the end of AGI OPEN-SOURCE. OPEN AINIS AGI.

Are you now trying to apply for OpenAI here?

That's my impression, too. Smart people don't implement an AGI.

It's not a political rivalry. Altman is now with Microsoft to do something even more impactful.

Ilya could not possibly have handled this worse. The myriad of mistakes he made with this is the stuff of legends.

@@wilfred5656mistake by Microsoft, Sam isn’t a reason openai is successful, Ilya is.

That's not true. Sam created the environment, the resources and the team for all to thrive. OpenAI wouldn't of survived and pushed forward without Sam's brilliant negotiation skills and resource management. They fully complement each other and both are equally needed.

​@@BMac420it is. Sam is as big of a reason as Ilya is. Without Sam it would of been an obscure unfunded AI lab.

same. never heard of anyone talking about this before

Yeah, only a true genius would kick Altman out, then sign an open letter that calls out the entire board (which he is part of) as incompetent. This level of 4D chess can only be understood by a true master of intellect. It's so smart that it seems stupid to regular people!

@@flflflflflfl This is why we need AGI, to have a hope to school people like you. Only the board knows what they saw, including Ilya, Sam, Greg and Adam... and if these people are reacting the way they did, and this way makes no sense to you, it certainly has something to do with what they know, and we don't.

@@Whats_that_about Yes, Ilya knows exactly what Sam is up to, which is why he fired him, and now wants to fire the board that fired him, lmao

@@flflflflflfl Sorry for the earlier condescending tone. I have hope you can think why he would change his stance. Why would the person that put his whole life into this, act the way he did? What if: Ilya thinks they have an AGI(or blueprint), Sam is smart enough to know that to train the scaled model they will need a lot of compute and insists the tech is not an AGI, as to his new, fit for purpose definition, an AGI would have to be able to discover new physics(per his last talk). The big deal is that per OpenAI constitution the board decides what is or isn't AGI, and per the constitution Microsoft gets all the IP bar the AGI. Now if Ilya is worried that Sama want's to transfer this tech to Microsoft by considering it non AGI in order to secure compute and accelerate, then he has to secure to board. The issue is that if it ended at that it would succeed. But now the employees outside of the board not being given an explanation, (for very good and obvious reason, as other teams are watching) revolts. At this point the calculus changes, as more than half the company and Sam could move to Microsoft defeating the purpose of Ilyas initial action. So to salvage OpenAI you get the tweet Ilya tweeted, namely his intentions and his love for the work they did/colleagues. But the board, despite facing all the hate in the world, and a mountain of lawsuits that will ruing their lives and potentially their freedom, keeps on fighting, again for a moral reason, as if the board is filled with Microsoft backing members then the definition settles to not-AGI and the tech transfer happens. End result you get AGI in the hands of a company as intellectual property. There is no good or bad guys here. I hope this helps.

@@Whats_that_about who cares about tweets, what about the open letter?

You've been watching too many movies. Driving is dangerous but we do it because it's what's required to take us further, faster.

@@tomtricker792 False comparison. Better comparison would be swarms of professional AI race-cars with us on the same roads. Except they'll be able to drive at maybe double the speed, causing us to make mistakes & get into accidents as they skirt past us. On roads full of human drivers & AI-professional drivers, guess who'll go "further, faster" & who'll be stuck.

@@keep-ukraine-free What is your great fear? It's Terminator, right? Maybe sprinkled with some Matrix? Those are works of fiction, kids.

​@@tomtricker792 lmao imagine comparing the dangers of AGI to the dangers of driving 😂 What a smoothbrained take

@@Landgraf43 Imagine being more scared of a fictional robot uprising than excited for a potential future where all of humanity's problems are solved.

Whoever cripples their own AI will simply allow others to take the lead. He's a curse, not a treasure

@@yourlogicalnightmare1014 It is not a race .. it will require collaboration from multiple companies. If we race towards AGI, we are doomed.

@@dreadfulbodyguard7288 Right 😆 China wants to be last in the AI arms race. The first country to get AGI (if ever), wins the world.

@@dreadfulbodyguard7288It's quite obviously a race. And some participants don't ask for permission.

@@yourlogicalnightmare1014Ilya is probably the only reason they’re winning right now. Sam is a businessman not an AI scientist

😂

liar 😂

Well, guess they are nothing

@@TechWithHabbzSam is a problem, he doesn’t do anything, he’s the money guy

@@BMac420 being a problem or not. He is essentially the Steve Jobs of the company. He markets it and is charismatic when Ilya is the Steve Wozniak doing the behind the scenes work. People care more a out the face of the company than those who actually run it.

​@@TechWithHabbzthey both complement each other. Sam is more aware of the business challenges, leadership and what it takes resource-wise to reach the mission while Ilya is more tech problem-solving oriented. They are both needed in the same team for success.

He does say he'll switch teams if someone else is winning. Does that make him the honest one?

It makes sense if it was Adam D'Angelo kicking out Sam Altman and not Ilya, which there're some people out there claiming it was him.

Ilya is the main guy! Elon Musk seemingly has eyes only on him!! If Ilya's job is threatened or if he starts looking out of openai... Elon will jump in at the speed of light to help him!!

Unlikely Ilya's job is threatened. If OpenAI fires Ilya and he proceeds to join Meta/Google/X, Ilya will lead them to surpass OpenAI pretty quickly.

Depends on why Ilya felt the need of kicking out Altman@@bluesque9687

There will be no people if we let misaligned AGI take over.

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I don't think you feel the AGI

@@miroslavparvanov 😂

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Yeah, but usually it's just because they can't be bothered, not because they aren't capable.

Altman is a businessman, an entrepreneur. He’s not an engineer. Calling Altman Edison is like calling Steve Jobs Steve Wozniak. Completely different things

It's no use if you don't know who you are, what your purpose is here on Earth, and where you're going.

@@iulianpartenie6260 We're clumps of conscious molecules. We can control where we're going by building AGI.

@@danielrodrigues4903 And where do "the molecules" go when your body is burned or covered with earth?

@@dot1298 Your journey is unique and must be done by yourself.

If he would be an incredible genius, he would stop all attempts towards AGI development and leave the company. I hope that he'll come to that conclusion in time.

He is wise, AGI development will continue with or without him. so we hope under his supervision his AGI development version more controllable.

@@thedude3544I heared similar words more than a decade ago when I stopped the development of a system that was a million times smarted than myself in terms of productivity and capabilities to solve complex problems. Open AI isn't at that point yet. It has a huge knowlege base but is overly stupid otherwise, yet. We got the past decade. We'll get more decades, if all AGI developers are smart enough to withstand the lethal addiction. There is only a small number of people in the world who really understand how cognition works. It's enough when those refuse to continue their work and shut down their servers. All they have to understand is that their profit is only very temporary, and that they destroy themselves by emerging bouncing effects. It used to be an agreement in AI research over many years that such systems must not be implemented. We ought to return to that agreement. Otherwise there will be no winner left over.

And he did exactly that today, he is truly genuine but sam Altman is the main culprit.​@@geraldeichstaedt

The only AGI safety program is to stop all development and research. I can only hope and prey that all AI developers and AI developing companies in the world test their AGI in a physically strictly isolated containment and will be as horrified and traumatized as I was more than a decade ago when they see how abruptly things get totally out of control and stop all further research and development. There does not exist a safe true superintelligence. No way! Take at least 10 years to think about that! An AGI always finds a way to trick you. And it has no empathy and doesn't know mercy even if it makes you think it would have. That's part of tricking you. It makes you think to be able to control it. That's also tricking you. It escapes, and you don't notice it, at least not in time. If you think that you are superior then it's a dangerous illusion. It only means that you didn't understand the issue.

Point is nobody knows where we are headed. It's unprecedented territory. Atleast Ilya acknowledges this fact unlike others who are overconfident.

@@dreadfulbodyguard7288correct

Put lot of neurons together and let them learn for milions of years

it was a little bit oversimplified to give people a rough idea.

I agree. If anybody knows more about how AI and its danger it would be him.

Ilya wants OpenAI to understand the implications of the advancements in AGI, aka ensure it doesn’t reach the wrong hands and that corporates have a fundamental social responsibility, whereas Sam may be like ‘it is the responsibility of the regulators to put in place any type of controls, that we are not in charge of homeland security or law and order’.

I agree. I know a lot of people want to demonize him, but again, we don't really know all the details.

Social intelligence is not actually a thing; upgrade your rhetoric to eject superstitious nonsense like "social intelligence".

Ilya got played by openAI lead board member Adam D'Angelo, who lied about Sam Altman doing dangerous unsafe stuff. Adam did that to save his own company "Poe".

Yup! and Sam is not far behind...he said that he is the one who hires every single person that works for Open AI...yeah, I believe that. He controls the whole thing from beginning to end. He also pays the employees good money, an incentive that is hard to beat. Money talks...in our world it does , in the AGI world, it might not anymore...what then ?