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The Expensive Path to Becoming an NHL Player 

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I have discussed this in previous videos, wanted to take an updated look at this as enrollment numbers creep up both in the US and Canada.
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@keithholler3215
@keithholler3215 Год назад
The problem with hockey has always been and always will be the cost.. It's one of the reasons the NHL is the 4th sport. Most people can't afford it , played another sport instead , and can't relate to it.
@bibney
@bibney Год назад
i think the MLS jumped the NHL recently so… the 5th sport…. 🙁
@greghawkman
@greghawkman Год назад
Had 3 boys play hockey in Michigan. With the costs can say we checked off every sacrifice except for borrowing money from a family member. We didn't down size our home, but we never got any new furniture and we drove our cars until they were beat to death.
@markelscott100
@markelscott100 Год назад
Its also a big reason theres hardly any black players either feels like theres only 5 every decade black parents put their kids in basketbal and football instead since its way cheaper than baseball and hockey
@JarradBruessel32
@JarradBruessel32 Год назад
​@@bibney no it didn't
@markskojec863
@markskojec863 Год назад
⁠@@bibney- Depends how you measure it. The most recent numbers I found were from 2020, when the Stanley Cup Finals drew an average of 2.15 million viewers per game while the 2020 MLS Cup Final brought in 1.071 million viewers. I think MLS gets higher attendance (as an outdoor sport it plays in larger venues) and in polls of favorite sport it comes out ahead, but still consistently trails NHL in ratings. Soccer is definitely growing in popularity, but I’d argue they need to beat NHL in TV ratings before the claim MLS is more popular is meaningful.
@powwowken2760
@powwowken2760 Год назад
This is one of the main reasons why I always roll my eyes when people talk about "growing the game" as if all we need to do is introduce kids to the sport to get them to play. My goalie pads cost me $1500 (plus tax), that's just the leg pads, I had to decide between buying my first car and a single piece of equipment. I knew plenty of kids growing up who would've LOVED to play hockey... But it just wasn't financially viable.
@dylancha3030
@dylancha3030 Год назад
I think it’s about getting people to play hockey in any form. Doesn’t have to be expensive ice hockey.
@rickyrougs
@rickyrougs Год назад
extremely grateful to have gotten to play hockey. thank you for shining light on how A LOT of kids cannot afford the opportunity.
@barrykamin8776
@barrykamin8776 Год назад
I see AHL AAVs ranging from $750,000 to $950,000.
@TheHeston83
@TheHeston83 Год назад
thats awesome
@Deenaziamazinjg14
@Deenaziamazinjg14 Год назад
@@barrykamin8776lol the highest paid ahl players make 100 k a year but nice reach
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
If parents started an Onlyfans, they can get enough simps to pay for it and afford hockey.
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
@@barrykamin877660-75k a season unless they’ve been sent-down from the NHL.
@moose9689
@moose9689 Год назад
As a kid I never got to play hockey and had to quit sports all together from my family not having the money, it’s tough but that’s life sometimes.
@jasonpopielarczyk7511
@jasonpopielarczyk7511 Год назад
I’ve always thought that hockey players and their parents sacrifice the most of any of the large NA sports. Many of us Americans have no idea that Canadian children often spend their teenage years away from their homes to play the game they love. Much respect.
@MohsinKhokhar1
@MohsinKhokhar1 Год назад
Although I understand what you're getting at, I also don't think that it's a fair comment to say that hockey player parents sacrifice the most just because it's one of the most expensive. A lot of parents struggle to have their kids in almost any sport, even cheaper ones. It's all perspective. But again, I see what you're trying to get at and can appreciate it.
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
Every sport has become business at the youth level. Travel teams for basketball and soccer now are a requirement to get noticed.
@Sillywillu
@Sillywillu Год назад
I’ve spent 330$ on used goalie equipment over the past two years and I still need to get a few more pieces to complete the set
@danielbuss2919
@danielbuss2919 Год назад
Goalies play free in the vast majority of adult leagues and pick up games. Just need to keep the skates sharp.
@danielbuss2919
@danielbuss2919 Год назад
A tip to complete your set, most adult leagues have former goalies skating that don't use their gear anymore. Might get lucky with an old goalie who is giving away gear.
@ColonizerChan
@ColonizerChan Год назад
yeah i have been gathering gear over the course of a year or two and got it all minus the goalie skates. and i was extremely fortunate in a couple cases along the way. just goes to show, when you're done with the gear and it is still in good shape, then consider selling it for cheap, giving it to someone else that has drive to get into it, or give it to a local rink to keep as backup gear for anyone to use. (heck, that is how i played goalie as a kid for years was on the gear in the back)
@Newbobdole
@Newbobdole Год назад
I remember the old Garrison Keillor line that a curse in Minnesota was something like, “May you have four sons two years apart in age… and may they all play hockey!”
@keithjordan7805
@keithjordan7805 Год назад
I have a 17 yr old playing elite travel hockey in Ohio. It costs his mother and I (we are divorced) about $3500 a yr plus any extra camps or private training. He is gone almost every weekend from Oct-Feb. Neither myself or my ex are very well off, we have made a lot of sacrifices to make sure he has a chance to play at a high level. I do not go out socially, buy new clothes, etc. I wish there was a better system than the one we have now.
@neongvortex6937
@neongvortex6937 Год назад
Hope he makes it man
@keithjordan7805
@keithjordan7805 Год назад
@@neongvortex6937 He is hoping to play college level, maybe juniors after this year.
@neongvortex6937
@neongvortex6937 Год назад
@keith jordan sounds like a story man that's interesting
@keithjordan7805
@keithjordan7805 Год назад
@@neongvortex6937 Thanks for your interest and kind thoughts
@neongvortex6937
@neongvortex6937 Год назад
@keithjordan7805 of course man Have a good one
@ccr35582
@ccr35582 Год назад
Yeah this is an unfortunate barrier for many into hockey. For soccer all you need is a ball and 2 points to call goals and you’re good to go. Hockey is a completely different story.
@RRaquello
@RRaquello Год назад
If you don't have delusions of making the NHL, you can pick a cheaper version of hockey and still have a lot of fun. When I was growing up, I played some on ice with a club team, but 90% of the time it was either roller skates (still expensive because skates were expensive) or deck hockey, where all you needed was a stick.
@antiantiderivative
@antiantiderivative Год назад
@@RRaquelloIf nobody had “delusions” of making the NHL, there would be no NHL.
@csolivais1979
@csolivais1979 Год назад
​@@antiantiderivativethat's not what he is saying, but will agree that he probably could have phrased it better. What I think he was trying to say is that there are ways to play hockey cheaper than playing organized youth hockey.
@RRaquello
@RRaquello Год назад
​@@antiantiderivative Yes, but you should know pretty early on whether you "have it" or not. By the time I was 12 years old I knew I wasn't going to be a professional hockey player. I was much better at baseball, so it took me longer (til I was about 16) to know I wasn't going to play that professionally either. That doesn't mean you can't play, and play hard and try to win, and be a good player and have fun at your own level. Once we face reality about our abilities, we can just enjoy the game for what it is-a game.
@RRaquello
@RRaquello Год назад
@@csolivais1979 It's like football. You'll hear how expensive it is and all the equipment you need. When I was growing up, we played football all the time with nothing but a ball. We'd even play with as few as three players a team. And it was still a gas. You adapt the game to what you have available. The problem nowadays is it seems you either play in a completely organized & equipped league with the aim of a professional career or, at the least, a college scholarship, or you don't think it's worth playing at all. We just used to play a game because we wanted to play a game and didn't think of how it would pay off in 10 or 15 years.
@hughjass1044
@hughjass1044 Год назад
When I was 10 (1972) and first started minor hockey, I remember both my parents putting a little extra money away all the summer before and I also remember it being the time when I was first introduced to the whole concept of "chores." We knew we were going to have to buy equipment in the fall and I was told flat out that if I wanted to play, I'd have to chip in something. Of course, the amount I'd be able to save up from allowances and cashing in pop bottles and the like was a pittance but it introduced me to the idea that the things you want have to be worked for. No one was going to hand me anything for free. I still remember the Saturday afternoon we all went to Crappy Tire (by appointment, no less) to get me kitted out. As a goalie, the league supplied the pads, the mask and the jersey but we had to supply everything else. The total bill for everything.... $22.00.... which you may believe, was a helluva lot bigger deal in 1972 than it is today! My share.... $2.00 and there wasn't a prouder kid on that ice the first time out!
@jasongraham1651
@jasongraham1651 Год назад
Used equipment was a known word in my house. Rarely had new stuff
@hughjass1044
@hughjass1044 Год назад
@@jasongraham1651 My house too, and I did have some of that but as the two kids ahead of me in the house were both girls, there wasn't any of it to be had. And as I was a goalie, that narrowed the pool of stuff available from outside the house.
@billmellon3517
@billmellon3517 Год назад
I’m well into my 70’s and have played, coached and refereed for many years. Grew up in New England but have lived in Wisconsin for about 50 years. At one time Madison had 6 different youth hockey organizations and now there are two. Now the surrounding communities have developed teams but over all, numbers are significantly down. I attribute this to a variety of issues but cost is close to the number one reason. I have two grandsons who live in Nebraska and play for travel teams. I can tell you that while equipment and fees are costly, it is the travel (hotels, gas, meals, etc) that add tremendous costs to playing hockey. Now you may think Nebraska, but one of our grandsons has won two separate Silver Stick Tournaments so they play at a high level but the costs are absolutely ridiculous. It really unfortunate for the sport over-all. Now my son’s not wealthy by any means and if it weren’t for the grandparents helping financially they might not be playing travel hockey!!! Unfortunately I see this in other sports, baseball, lacrosse, where travel becomes the most expensive aspect of playing. In the long run I fear that many youth will not have the opportunities to play organized sports if the “craziness” continues.
@goldenretriever6261
@goldenretriever6261 Год назад
The good thing about hockey in large Canadian cities is that you don't have to travel far for games.
@maxpowr90
@maxpowr90 Год назад
At least in Massachusetts, there are 7 rinks within a 20 minute drive of my house. That helps to have so many youth programs, especially girls ones, for a very good used gear market, to help keep costs down. I feel that's one of the reasons a lot of former Bruins players stick around the Boston area post-career, if they want to be around hockey, especially for their kids.
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
It’s not the equipment. It’s the travel-team costs and transportation.
@therealDJG
@therealDJG Год назад
My son wanted to start playing hockey recently but once we started realizing how much the cost would be plus his lack of experience skating to begin with (he’s 14).. it wasn’t gonna happen.
@robgray7019
@robgray7019 Год назад
Serge Bernier started at age 15, made it to the Nordiques and the NHL. In regards to money (Yes I was a dad), any activity the kid takes up will be less time spent around crack heads, shoplifters, car jackers, dealers etc. Even if he doesn't make "The Show", and he probably won't you will end up with a healthier happier kid. Whatever you can afford will be monies well spent. I drive taxi in small town Alberta and in winter there will be kids tournies, they will come out of the games wearing suit jackets and speaking like "Yes Ma'm, no Sir". Oh and they might be 10 yrs old. Me too I couldn't play and was upset but look back and realized how poor we were. Good luck, wish I could help.
@ColonizerChan
@ColonizerChan Год назад
yeah that's tough, best thing is prolly trying to play floor hockey and get them a pair of ice skates to teach basic skating. floor hockey is non contact normally, so it is just stick and gloves
@ArtyMcMuffin
@ArtyMcMuffin Год назад
@@ColonizerChan Or depending where you stay, lots of local communities have outside ice rinks that you can play "pond" hockey in the winter for cheap. Not the "best" place to make it to the show, but I have my best hockey memories on the pond.
@phightinphil25
@phightinphil25 Год назад
Skating is one of those weird things, sometimes for some people all you really need is a few lessons with the sled to get to a workable level. 14 is old but if the gift is there it will show after he gets his balance. I had never skated in my life before I started playing Hockey, It took me 2-3 not very focused lessons to get to playable level. Back skating for me was harder the position was less natural, and that was crucial considering I played defense. I quit eventually because my team didn't have enough Goalies and press ganged me into playing there for a bit, it wasn't for me even though I did get one shutout. I did love the sport though its great to play, and I do wonder what I could have done with it given the gifts I did have if I had simply found another team, that would have let me play at my strongest position. As other have said if you can afford it you should let him try and see if he has any talent or skill for it, at worst he will either figure out that he doesn't want to play or he will have a great time even if he isn't great.
@phightinphil25
@phightinphil25 Год назад
@@ColonizerChan The first time I tried to skate was with figure skates. That wasn't the right way for me, a couple of hours over 2-3 sessions with hockey skates and a little support from one of the sled things to get my balance in and I was on the youth team. Floor Hockey or Roller hockey can be a great way to pick up little details and work on the handle, I taught myself how to lift the puck by changing my form via that method.
@name-vi6fs
@name-vi6fs Год назад
Hmwhat I love about Vegas is that we have numerous businesses and wealthy individuals who contribute thousands of dollars to youth hockey to help offset the costs.
@m4l_vinny300
@m4l_vinny300 Год назад
Another major problem with hockey is if you didnt start by age 4 or 5, your chances of going anywhere get really slim.
@Navs126
@Navs126 Год назад
Just how long it takes to become a competitive skater almost makes it that you have to start that young.
@dylancha3030
@dylancha3030 Год назад
I feel like that’s the same deal with most sports by the eye test.
@royjonzejr
@royjonzejr Год назад
@@dylancha3030 Not so much basketball. There's a lot of stories of African kids who never played basketball for the first time until their teenage years who made the NBA e.g. Pascal Siakam, Manute Bol. This is mainly possible due to how rare it is for freakishly tall people to exist and how big of an advantage that gives you in basketball.
@dylancha3030
@dylancha3030 Год назад
@@royjonzejr that's absolutely true but we can agree that for every Giannis, Duncan, and Olajuwon who started late we got many more guys who have been playing since they were three. It is definently easier to start later in physical outlier sports like basketball but starting early does absolutely help if you're trying to go to the NBA
@danglezbenderz
@danglezbenderz Год назад
Yep. I didn't start until I was almost 12 (we couldn't afford it before then), and while I did pick it up quickly and even eventually moved up to AA/AAA very quickly; if I had started playing and skating at 6 I would have had a much better chance of "making it". There are definitely exceptions, but by and large NHL/AHL players start playing very early.
@royjonzejr
@royjonzejr Год назад
A colleague of mine has a son in hockey. He once said to me, "I can't wait until he realizes he'll never be good enough to play in the NHL so I can stop paying for this" lol
@alexevanoski4588
@alexevanoski4588 Год назад
It’s not the BS you hear from the media about no personality, no stars, fighting, violence, and so on that makes hockey the 4th sport. It’s the cost. Plain and simple. Basketball and soccer are so cheap to play.
@m00rtin4
@m00rtin4 Год назад
THIS is a good topic from you THG! Iv never seen anyone in NA media talk about the cost of hockey.
@brandonb.6099
@brandonb.6099 Год назад
Not only do you have to learn to skate before you can play hockey, but you also have to be pay hockey at an elite level. NHL players deserve the money they are being paid for the most part.
@ChristiantrospectiveGamer
@ChristiantrospectiveGamer Год назад
The nice thing about Hockey is guaranteed contracts.
@alvizothegreat8096
@alvizothegreat8096 Год назад
Growing up i wanted to play ice hockey but the cost of equipment and ice time my family couldn't afford, so i went to play soccer and baseball, luckily floor and street hockey was accessible to play my school had a team
@TheHeston83
@TheHeston83 Год назад
mine it was drive also the szn was during winter time
@boxercourage4384
@boxercourage4384 Год назад
The funny thing is that if the people who complain about players making too much money were offered the opportunity to make that too, they’d be all over it faster than you could blink.
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
It’s just petty jealousy. “Must be nice….” I hate people like that.
@ShinyMew76
@ShinyMew76 Год назад
I always have wanted to play a sport, however they have all been really expensive. I didn’t really find a sport that I really really wanted to do until hockey though. Then my family looked at the cost of the equipment. Yeah let’s just say I never got to play a game of hockey. I have a stick, gloves, and roller skates (although I wanted to place on ice). I understand that my family couldn’t afford to pay for a sport, but that isn’t even the issue. The issue is how expensive it is. It has always made me upset that I could never play a sport, wether it be baseball, or hockey (never liked football, basketball. or soccer). Not to mention sign up fees are ridiculous. Being on the east coast of the US (in between the north and south) also means there is far less demand for hockey here, so there are not many places to go to play. It also doesn’t help we don’t have a professional hockey team here. The closest we have got is D.C. So yeah, it really is sad that these sports are so expensive to play. It takes opportunities away from people like me who loved sports, but had to watch all the other kids play football, soccer, basketball, or other sports while we had to sit and watch. Also, like I said there are not many, if any ice hockey organizations in the area. It’s something I really wanted to do, but at this point it’s far to late to attempt to play. The CHL is way up in Canada, and honestly I would have had to start playing a few years earlier to be able to play at a high level. Yeah technically I’m still young enough to where if I was playing, in a different world I’d be playing in the CHL right now. I haven’t even started yet because of the cost. Travel, Equipment, Fees. It just disappoints me that hockey is so expensive and I’ll never get a chance to play. The chance has already come and gone, but to be honest there never really was a chance. Sorry that this whole comment is a bit of a mess, I sort of wrote it without thinking too much about the structure of it. I just wanted to voice my opinions and frustrations.
@samuelaceves7521
@samuelaceves7521 Год назад
canada should've subsidized hockey at the youth level like football here in the states
@September2004
@September2004 Год назад
Wow, I never realized they did that. Does that even include metal helmets?
@thekerr8728
@thekerr8728 Год назад
@@September2004 ?
@samuelaceves7521
@samuelaceves7521 Год назад
@@September2004 everything is included, if you're low income there's local leagues that will take your kid for free not to mention schools subsidize it for everyone
@TheHeston83
@TheHeston83 Год назад
yeah agreed as an american
@phightinphil25
@phightinphil25 Год назад
@@September2004 I think a team run academy system like how most European football leagues have is a good idea. Find the best young players that you can and develop them, those that are good enough to make the academy get their training paid for by the league or team.
@BurnedRetinas
@BurnedRetinas Год назад
For as much as Gary wants to embrace that expansion, as it means more money for the league, entry-level accessibility remains tough in a lot of US cities. Hockey is also a game that requires getting into adequately at a younger age than, say, football or the more ubiquitous basketball, for key growth and development.
@ThomasW26
@ThomasW26 Год назад
Let's raise a glass to hockey parents
@yogibearstie
@yogibearstie Год назад
After seeing Bedard in shorts at the NHL Combine it makes me wonder if more time doing squats and lifting weights is a way to save money over more ice time.
@evanh40
@evanh40 Год назад
It honestly makes me sad knowing how many hockey players just didn't have the resources to go further in hockey. For reference, I played hockey in Riverton, MB, home of Reggie Leach. Look his story up when you get a chance. There are thousands of hockey players good enough to be in the NHL, but it is a rich family's sport.
@BSEntertainment2319
@BSEntertainment2319 Год назад
I had to make a fake company for one of my marketing classes and I made one based around creating refurbishing and selling cheaper hockey equipment. I had to do a lot of research on how expensive it is to play hockey and its crazy. Not only equipment but ice time, you can find a basketball hoop or a grass field anywhere in America, but ice is more rare, especially in the southern states. If we want hockey to grow it has to be more accessible.
@OaksArmorial
@OaksArmorial Год назад
Why would we want hockey to grow?
@PotatoNuts
@PotatoNuts Год назад
@@kfnwuwbw9s I think he was being sarcastic
@OaksArmorial
@OaksArmorial Год назад
@@kfnwuwbw9s “Either the game grows or dies”. I don’t know what you’re basing that logic on but I don’t agree at all.
@kenm.4869
@kenm.4869 Год назад
Even playing street hockey was expensive, but glad my brother and I got to. I absolutely love this sport! :)
@christopherdawkins5392
@christopherdawkins5392 Год назад
Single dad with 3 kids, i pulled my boys out of hockey and taught my kids to ski....we still ski together now they're grown.
@m3talmonk3y
@m3talmonk3y Год назад
I didn’t start playing ice hockey until I was an adult and could afford my own gear. Unfortunately, a little too late to get drafted by the NHL…😅
@xCestLaVie1
@xCestLaVie1 Год назад
Id love to see a 30 year old get drafted and absolutely tear up the league.
@m3talmonk3y
@m3talmonk3y Год назад
@@xCestLaVie1 well, I’m in my early 40s now. Never had any formal training so I started in the lower divisions but now I play in the higher divisions as a goalie. Not sure about former pro players but you see a lot of former college players or current ones on break.
@ll7868
@ll7868 Год назад
There was always a lot of food, no shortage of quality eats but our vacations were dirt cheap. After 2 weeks of summer camp we went on road trips all over Canada and the US, we looked like the Griswolds with gear loaded on top and pulling a trailer of supplies, camping in a tent, eating our own catch of the day after flyfishing local spots, KAO campgrounds had pretty much everything summer camp had without camp councilors hovering around 24/7 and they were dirt cheap.
@vic_the_slick
@vic_the_slick Год назад
Once I grew up I wanted to play hockey and buy all my new gear. I was looking at 2000€ for low-mid tier gear. Add on transport and registration on top of that…. Makes me realize how much my parents sacrificed to let me play.
@keithp2279
@keithp2279 Год назад
Also compared to other sports, there are a very small amount of college hockey teams so a lot of parents invest money and don’t Even see it back from scholarships
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
The allure of having a full ride scholarship in Football and Basketball is more alluring, along with the fact schools subsidize most of the costs of participation.
@otakumusprime7745
@otakumusprime7745 Год назад
I think it gets worse when you take into account that not only are basketball, football, and baseball "cheaper" and easier to play and practice, players make even more money.
@seancosgrove1
@seancosgrove1 Год назад
I'm so glad I got to grow up in Minnesota where it's mostly community hockey all the way up. Most of the best players play for their local high school. I was a goalie and got to take advantage of the loaner equipment program so my dad didn't have to pay for all of it while I was growing the first few years. I moved to Dallas for a year when I was 13. To play for the top team in the area it was $10k/year, which was at least 10x what we were spending in Minnesota.
@JustMikeDotTv
@JustMikeDotTv Год назад
I remember when my brother and I started playing at the same time. We first went to National Sports and it cost over $700 each excluding the skates we already had. We ended up returning 50% of things and bought more affordable equipment from Canadian Tire. We even shared a hockey bag since we didn't play in the same age group. This is all excluding the price to play in a house league.
@jaykay1516
@jaykay1516 Год назад
One of my favorite THG videos!!! SO ACCURATE!!!
@OGDamnnation
@OGDamnnation Год назад
And your talking about just boys hockey/men's hockey. There's nothing in girls/women's hockey unless you can make a collage team and then hopefully play in the NWHL or the National team for Olympic and worlds. Average anyway just for my daughter it's about 3k depending on if she needs equipment and registration with her school program. Then there's ice time payments that's not included in registration. then maybe after hockey training or spring hockey that's about 1k. not to mention all the tournaments so hotels gas food. In a single season someone can spend up to 10k. Boys it might be more because they'll go through equipment faster.
@chrisser3657
@chrisser3657 Год назад
Travel and clinics have been the most expensive items for us. Skating clinics, stickhandling clinics, checking clinics, even fighting clinics. If you want your kid to keep up with his peers, then you need to pay up with the other parents.
@JohnJMcEh
@JohnJMcEh Год назад
I remember when kids could watch hockey, now with all the gambling ads I don't feel comfortable having it on in front of my daughter
@swedreamhack5308
@swedreamhack5308 Год назад
Great video, love the break down on the numbers. Back in the 90's when I played we could often get used gear at a decent discount but it still cost around $1200-1500 per year once you got to the age where you had camps during summer. I'd say the main sacrifice parents make is time even if their kid isn't a promising prospect and just want to be there for the basic practices and games. Where I come from we couldn't have any gear in the club facilities and there was quite a distance with limited public transports. My dad easily spent 800-1000 hours of his free time per year for me to be able to play.
@TheWarningTake
@TheWarningTake Год назад
Hey THG, I grew up in Fayetteville and watched the Fireantz and Marksmen, and was at one point and time going to try out for the Fireantz. I never got to but looking back on it, I would’ve never got looked at without the resume as you stated. One thing the SPHL does to help with the cost is booster clubs and giving the players housing. This all is completely accurate. I worked in the hockey gear industry as well. Part of why so many people get priced out is the gear. This can be mitigated with buying used stuff and doing some research but it’s a lot of stuff that parents don’t know.
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
The SPHL player situation sounds a lot like minor-league baseball. Host families, off-season jobs. Except their’s no affiliation with the NHL, so it’s a dead end job in a sense.
@franzrupf8484
@franzrupf8484 Год назад
That is an important video! Thank you for this!!
@jshmeek5900
@jshmeek5900 Год назад
Thanks for highlighting the high costs of hockey. My parents couldn't afford to get me into hockey as a kid, and I have no doubt that there are elite potential players out there that never had the opportunity to develop in the sport let alone try it in the first place.
@LucDesormeaux
@LucDesormeaux Год назад
Super interesting video. Thank you for making this. 🙂
@09nedly09
@09nedly09 Год назад
I can totally relate to this. My mom worked at a casino that had a rink so we got comped tickets every now and again but she could only afford the bare minimum as far as equipment. So I only had the opportunity to participate in workshops. I had a blast back in those days but that's as far as I got
@TheMexinadian
@TheMexinadian Год назад
I was fortunate enough to be able to play hockey for 15 years. My parents worked incredibly hard to be able to afford it and they never complained about it once. They would use vacation time at work to go to my tournaments and watch me play. Unfortunately due to me getting older and having to become an adult, My schedule just never let me continue to play like i wanted to. Thankfully my local Rink has Sticks and Pucks every weekend and i can get my Fix in there.
@isthatujeebus
@isthatujeebus 11 месяцев назад
This is why soccer is the most popular game on the planet. ONE, SINGLE piece of equipment and BANG, you're playing. Even Baseball needs a bat AND a ball.
@Nickyyyyyyyy
@Nickyyyyyyyy Год назад
my dad had to work 60 hours a week just to have me play in house leagues in nova scotia . i was a goalie which didn't help but i never had any new gear 😂 once i went to a rep league tryout by accident and turns out i was good enough to make AA league for my age group in bantam . my dad almost cried saying there was no way i was ever gonna be able to do that cause it was 3000 just to get on the team and then all the other costs started coming . one of the most disappointing moments of my life . i quit playing after that year .
@HT-jj5sx
@HT-jj5sx Год назад
Just the equipment breakdown is insane, being a goalie I had to get a job just to pay for my pads over a summer. It's insane.
@ashleyhertle491
@ashleyhertle491 Год назад
My kids just started hockey this year. 2 forwards and a goalie. I shudder at the cost. We buy used when we can (having kids that aren’t standard size makes that so hard.) we are SO blessed that they play special hockey. Those fees are beyond reasonable (pretty sure my mom spent more on volleyball for me growing up.) I rejoice in our ability to donate all of our equipment to the coach so that others can try hockey without the steep investment up front. The amount of kids who want to play but can’t afford it just sucks. To do skills camps locally I would have to pay for registration for a league my child can’t play in (too competitive and way above her skill set) and the camp fees. I want my kids to be able to practice in the off-season, not the the tune of an extra grand. Ick.
@dfoleyusa
@dfoleyusa Год назад
Glad you made this video Shannon as the father of a peewee hockey player in ‘MA I can tell you we’ve had to give up vacations not only due to cost but also because of schedule during the regular season they play 50 games not including the playoffs. That’s 5 or 6 days when including practices where my son is on the ice. Now it’s spring/summer hockey which still has 3 to 4 times a week commitment. Will my son ever play in the NHL probably not but it’s such a great team sport and all the kids who play are really good friends and great kids - either way you slice it it’s a major commitment to play hockey but as a parent even with cost straining our budget - totally worth it
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
Youth Hockey is probably the most demanding sport for the PARENT compared to all the others. Unbearably long road-trips, odd timings of practices. Unless the parent loves the sport, they’ll never spend that money and time to put their kid in it
@maximbourdages3128
@maximbourdages3128 Год назад
Really nice video about the fact that hockey is expensive ! lucky to have played it that many years !! nice vid!
@fredhenrick
@fredhenrick Год назад
Ty for doing this video
@paulrinder9040
@paulrinder9040 Год назад
Thank you! As a parent of 2 kids who grew up playing hockey, I totally agree with you and your assessment. It is expensive and sacrifices are made. A lot of time for nothing. I’m glad they grew up loving and enjoying the sport and were good sports/teammates.
@kschro03
@kschro03 Год назад
Great video and topic.
@OWlsfordshire
@OWlsfordshire Год назад
It says a lot about the sport of hockey when 90% of the draft each year are all snoody looking rich Canadian kids. All the resources for becoming competitive in this sport are so concentrated to 1 area and to 1 economic class. All other major Western sports have kids coming in from the inner city ghetto or small villages in south/central America, etc.
@TheFusionmix
@TheFusionmix Год назад
I think about this a lot, especially when people talk about how "nice" and "polite" hockey players are off the ice compared to NFL or NBA players. Sets off alarm bells for sure.
@LatinxGoyslop1488
@LatinxGoyslop1488 Год назад
Ive always said the players deserve the money, but you brought a lot of things i never thought of to light & now i think they should be paid more.
@Ohhelmno
@Ohhelmno Год назад
I desperately wanted to play hockey when I was younger, and I was quite good… but my parents just couldn’t afford to let me play in any kind of organized leagues because not only was equipment expensive, we also lived in the States where there aren’t any or many charities to get kids who can’t afford it the equipment and not only that but the fees to play organized hockey are pretty expensive not to mention ice time and it all adds up and it just wasn’t feasible. I really hated that I wasn’t able to, I lived and died with the sport. I was able to play here and there in like drop in and street hockey and all of that but never did get to play organized. I know they feel bad about it, and it’s the major regret of my life that I didn’t get to see how good I could become, and obviously there are many many kids aside from me who haven’t been able to play and I’m sure some of them could’ve been great… but we’ll never know that we missed them and we’ll never know how our lives may have been different. It’s sad. It’s a thing that desperately needs to be worked on.
@csweet591
@csweet591 Год назад
This is pretty spot on! And although all sports have “politics”, the expense of hockey ratchets things up 10 fold. I’ve been aghast at some of the things I have observed in youth hockey. In addition, there seems to be a huge amount of kids who are just under-served and ignored. Hockey tends to favor lots of superficial traits early on, thus favoring kids that tend to have me first attitudes. Kids that don’t possess these traits are ignored and under developed.
@elisapai
@elisapai 3 месяца назад
I have two sons playing hockey, 9yr one in AAA, 6 yr old in AA. We spent 50k a year on hockey, including team, camp, private coaching.
@mattcraig163
@mattcraig163 Год назад
I absolutely love the game of hockey, but the cost is something that prevented me from being able to play at any organized level.
@sebl3179
@sebl3179 Год назад
Cost is one of the biggest factors. It is crazy how much money you have to spend in the US and Canada to play competitive hockey. Its insane when you compare it to germany for example. The yearly fee for the top youth hockey programms is around 500-700€ (719-1000 canadian dollar). So while it is an expensive teamsport compared to like soccer or handball here in germany, it is still way cheaper than playing travel hockey in north america.
@terryq9966
@terryq9966 Год назад
You're right about player's families giving up a bunch when raising a hockey player. But there are a few exceptions (there's always exceptions). You mentioned Patty Kane and his mum saying it cost the family over 100k, but what wasn't mentioned was that his dad owned 2 car dealerships in a first ring suburb of Buffalo. So there's that, just sayin' that all hockey families are struggling.
@Invader121
@Invader121 Год назад
Just the cost of entry is massive compared to basketball, baseball, soccer, etc. Can't just play it on some random field or your backyard
@DoubleP29
@DoubleP29 Год назад
This video provides a great assessment and synopsis of the cost involved and the numerous sacrifices that numerous families have made along the way with the slimmest hope of winning the jackpot to get a shot at The Show. It's not for the faint of heart and those that do make it, by default, is not certain if they will even get a actual regular season game under their belts. I never take for granted those that even got 1 pro game under their belts as they are always one up on the rest of us.
@hbh2470
@hbh2470 Год назад
Growing up in Winnipeg there were 4 tiers of hockey. Tier 3 and 4 where the cheapest. Once you got put into Tier 1 or 2, it was way more expensive. Going to tournaments all over the place and other fees were costly on my parents. That is why I quit playing at 16 realizing I wouldn't make it to the NHL.
@Flash___
@Flash___ Год назад
hockey is the greatest sport, and I am very fortunate to be born in Minnesota to have one hell of a hockey journey. The level of competition at the High School level was so much fun to be apart of.
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
Very few states in the US have scholastic hockey. That helps subsidize costs dramatically
@yasnac7576
@yasnac7576 Год назад
Thanks for this Shannon! I too wanted to be one of those thousand NHLers. When I tried back in the seventies. Salaries were low compared to today. Spoke to Joe Cadillac of the Flyers about a tryout. He remembered me from me at home games. What it boiled down to was I prepared to sign a personal services contract. No I was not prepared. So that was that. Then I blew out my knee in a beer league game. Oh well 😢 that was that .
@VintageTealDog
@VintageTealDog Год назад
In our family we have all pitched in for my nephews hockey … defenseman in high school varsity… broken sticks and growing inches every year got expensive, just in sticks. So, his grandparents, Aunt/Uncle have all got him hockey gear over the years … no way could his parents afford the game by themselves… 🏒
@hereticcreep3795
@hereticcreep3795 Год назад
Really good video
@TheKaffin8ed
@TheKaffin8ed Год назад
Great breakdown of the subject. I'm an avid hockey fan and beer leaguer - and I watch Nasher's inline hockey tournaments. For kids, it would be great if they can just get out to play street hockey or inline hockey. This is off topic but I'm wondering why there aren't more inline hockey leagues in Canada? I'm from Ontario and like else where, ice time has been getting more and more expensive. I would assume inline hockey would be a cheaper sport. Any insight or thoughts on this?
@RRaquello
@RRaquello Год назад
One of my relatives, they had 2 sons, about 9 & 10 years old. They took them to one of those "try out hockey" days at the local rink (in Brooklyn). The two boys loved it and wanted to get more involved. These relatives of mine were pretty well fixed. Compared to me, I'd call them rich, but even for them hockey was too expensive. Even before thinking of equipment, just buying ice time was too much. So the kids played baseball instead. They would never have come close to professional hockey, but they were good enough athletically to make their travel teams in baseball. But it showed to me where you had to be financially to have your kids play hockey. Either that, or, like the Hughes family, have a father who's employed in the hockey "industry".
@CB-lh4ph
@CB-lh4ph Год назад
Higher pay makes the sport better. It takes an unbelievable amount of work to become and remain a pro athlete, and most people just wouldn't endure that if they only had a slight chance to make a slightly above average salary. It's the fact that you can make millions by being the best that makes so many people so willing to strive for that goal. That's part of why the NHL has gotten so much better.
@professordogwood8985
@professordogwood8985 Год назад
Just listening to the cost overhead you mention in this video makes me angrier at some of my coaches and teammates for being such jerks. I grew up playing minor hockey for an organization in a rougher neighbourhood and it could be pretty cutthroat. For the amount of money, time, and effort everyone puts in to this project, it truly is disgusting how the coach would just favour his own son and his closest friends in opportunity and advancement.
@henrywest7217
@henrywest7217 Год назад
Puts it in perspective.
@CritterOverYonder
@CritterOverYonder Год назад
I never balk at athletes making heaps of money. I go to the games to watch the players, not the owners. The players are the reason why teams generate revenue. And the owners are still raking in many times what the players collectively make. If anything, the owners make way too much.
@javitije5075
@javitije5075 Год назад
Fr. Legit is wild that people believe players make too much when the players are the ones generating the revenue.
@TylerMorganShow
@TylerMorganShow Год назад
Great video
@goon8058
@goon8058 Год назад
Never would of thought that water skiing was the most expensive sport but does make some sense in my youth played competitive hockey and water skied. Had a couple of HO slalom skis and they can get expensive was $500+ USD for an Extreme limited about 30 years ago, gas is a huge cost and of course the boat is the biggest cost but the boat serves more than just the purpose of water skiing so it's often not thought of as a direct cost.
@maxpower1975
@maxpower1975 Год назад
I was so lucky enough to play hockey from kindergarten until freshmen year in college. As well as attend camps. But now as a high school teacher in NJ I could never afford it for my child to do the same.
@scimzown
@scimzown Год назад
When I was 15 and my brother was 10, He was playing elite level hockey in Canada. I noticed the struggles my parents had trying to afford it with all the camps he’d do and what not. I ended up giving up playing hockey so they could keep him in everything. He made it to the OHL but ended up burning out and stopped playing at 18
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
Does he have a sense of guilt, or are your parents resentful in any way? Making it to the OHL is a major accomplishment, but adjusting to being a regular-Joe when life was previously only about Hockey has to be hard.
@scimzown
@scimzown 6 месяцев назад
@@fredred5037 last time we talked about it he didn’t have a sense of guilt from walking away, he knew he wasn’t enjoying himself and couldn’t do it anymore. He did miss the team and brotherhood aspect he had built with other players but once he figured out they’d still be friends off the ice he was fine. And my parents and family were in total support of him when he said he wanted to stop. Him playing was never forced. Was just something he picked up when he was young and developed very well and my parents wanted to give him the best opportunity. They always supported every choice he wanted to make hockey wise
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
@@scimzown thanks for the reply. Sounds like a great family 👍
@TheKeeperofKeyss
@TheKeeperofKeyss Год назад
That hat is amazing
@professordogwood8985
@professordogwood8985 Год назад
Damn Shannon, you make me feel like volunteering to coach now.
@HandsomeDanVacationRentals
@HandsomeDanVacationRentals Год назад
Somebody just had a talk with his kid about why they should try soccer 😂
@Brandon-qd2lb
@Brandon-qd2lb Год назад
Pretty much like this in most sports. Those travel teams add up fast.
@dustylover100
@dustylover100 Год назад
I'm still surprised that despite the money hockey players make, they for the most part still humble and accessible for fans.
@ghandi2801
@ghandi2801 11 месяцев назад
While you only need a ball to play basketball. Heck you don’t even need a ball since a game of bball only requires one ball, someone else could bring the ball. And for shoes, all shoe brands sell budget shoes for around 100 bucks and they even go on sale to like 50
@Leafsfanforever
@Leafsfanforever Год назад
I play sledge hockey and I’d imagine it’s a little more expensive because i don’t know how it works for everyone but I borrowed a sled for a few years then the team in Montreal I played for said I had to buy it. It was like 600 bucks or something like that. I now play in London Ontario and registration for this season could be 500 bucks. That’s just for the season not including my sled I gotta pay for that if something breaks on that
@jasongraham1651
@jasongraham1651 Год назад
My folks were not wealthy bu any means, but I was fortunate to have a choice, they said they would support me in either skiing/snowboarding or hockey. Hockey of course. Practice times in BC were brutal, figure skating got the best practice times for some reason
@mariog1429
@mariog1429 Год назад
As a hockey parent, I can check off most of the stuff on your list. Our most limiting factor, however, is time. Travel hockey requires a lot of time dedicated to it. Some kids are homeschooled or taking online classes so they can concentrate on hockey. And that’s one of the things where we had to draw the line. Go to school, junior, get a social life, find a girlfriend. 😉
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
You have to accept that for them to fulfill their dream they cannot have a standard “normal” life. The payoff is reaching the pros and hopefully the Show, and all the amenities that come with it. Nothing else is supposed to matter.
@ericthemaestro
@ericthemaestro Год назад
Cool video. These guys dedicate their lives
@calypso7908
@calypso7908 Год назад
labor is entitled to all it creates!
@HawklordLI
@HawklordLI Год назад
My son played youth hockey in Minnesota for three years 1993-1996. It cost me over $5,000.
@yougotmycheezewizboy
@yougotmycheezewizboy Год назад
For a long time, every vacation we went on as a family it was for a hockey tournament
@BayBye2011
@BayBye2011 Год назад
once again an excellent video full of easy to understand data....some players are totally overpaid whereas others are totally underpaid.....some are greedy and some are not.. Sid took 8.7 million a season his whole career thereby leaving some money on the table for his team to sign others took whatever they could get screw everyone else....
@bdeitur
@bdeitur Год назад
Yup...two hockey playing sons. And the younger was a goalie+skater 😱. While they were still in school, I was living off of credit card debt ...and living paycheck to paycheck. I'm good now but I remember those days.
@MbisonBalrog
@MbisonBalrog Год назад
Does Canada have community sponsored ice rinks like USA does with football/T&F fields? Which also used for soccer and lacrosse. Or do you just have frozen ponds everywhere?
@Solidus-hv9md
@Solidus-hv9md Год назад
My son has been playing within the Dallas Stars Metro Hockey League for six years now. I'm greatful for the organization. They seem to be doing there best to keep pricing lower than what I hear about in other states. We even were able to hold winter league during the pandemic which was AWESOME. Last year was the first year we had a price hike of 200$ for winter league since we began. My son is old enough to play JV now and the price doubles not including equipment costs. Id reather just keep him within the Stars organization. I'm already scratching and penny pinching to keep him on the ice as much as possible year-round because he just absolutley loves playing the game and the on-ice atmosphere. Its like hes a completely different kid when hes on the ice vs at school/home/non-ice hockey friends. Knowing he will most likley never play a single minute in college or pro, I just hope he keeps playing when hes older in rec leagues and meets good people. Thank you for this analysis HG. That said, any of you who have a kid in the North Texas area and they want to play. The Dallas Stars org has a FREE method to get your kid into a 4wk Hockey academy with equipment to get them started. It takes the 'what if they dont like it/cost' issue and eliminates it. The equipment and bag costs 250$ if you wish to purchase it after the academy. Which in my opinion is a STEAL for a full set of new equipment. Just a quick FYI for yall in the area. And girls from what I can tell get the equipment for free if they wish to continue and there are loads of girls programs out here too for those wishing for an all female team environment.
@fredred5037
@fredred5037 6 месяцев назад
The Penguins have a similar organization. Unfortunately because of my divorce, my son can’t play anymore. My ex spends all the money (child-support/alimony) on herself.
@timsmith428
@timsmith428 Год назад
..There needs to be more "house leagues". No travel, kids play at the same rink every week. That lowers the cost straight away. At my brother's work, there was a small league that competed against other companies. My brother found out there was a guy working there who played in the WHA. This guy was approached to join the team. The idea was he would be a "ringer". He stated he had no interest, as being a pro hockey player was his job. He was finished with it, and had no intention of playing hockey ever again..
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