I swear. For a certain time in the 90's, it seemed that a sure sign that a series was going to fail or was running out of ideas when that "X-Treme" word showed up on the title. That damn word got stamped on almost everything it seemed.
What i think is , that many older Franchises aint fitting for the XTREME Treatment. This approach is actually bonded by making new franchises instead making old ones look "Up to Date" . Some old franchise can work perfectly with this XTREME make-over while others go absolutly into wrong direction . Remember the XTREME Looney toons cartoon that came and went faster than oldschool speedy gonzales ? Yeah , i almot forgot it and nobody asked for it , except a rando like me on this comment-section about XTREME and GI-joe .
Ahh yes, the "Extreme" era of cartoons. Back when the shading on characters was extremely emphasized and they had to have shoulder pads. You could tell that comic artists such as Jim Lee and Todd McFarland made a major impact during the early to mid 90s.
I miss that era, i'll gladly take that over ugly rancid trash like Teen Titans Go and Thundercats Roar, stuff like WILDCATS and this show might not have been the most deep but they had pretty striking visuals, nowadays it feels like kids animated shows have really taken a step back in animation quality and it feels like only adult animated shows really have stand-out 2-D animation anymore.
@@sporkwarrior9950 Yeah, the intro wasn't that good. The show was fine though - nothing too special, but decent - if I recall correctly anyway. It was better than the DIC show for the most part.
A few years back, a younger friend mentioned how he didn't like the retro look of GI Joe Renegades. I said "Oh, you'd prefer something a little more... Extreme?" and linked the opening to GI Joe Extreme. His response: "What the hell was that?!"
After seeing their appearance in the show and then Dan started talking about comics, I had a feeling Rob Liefeld's name was going to come up as the responsible party.
@@Macrocheniaeah i hate Rob Liefeld and his narrow-minded , bad artistic , really incompetent style of "Creativity" but i think buff badass guys isnt bad . He dragged this approach through the dirt and exploited it with his bad comics. Rob Liefeld was pushed to be a wannabe-rockstar in Comics and he took that approach while popularized bad stuff . Give Rob Liefeld all the fault but not the creative concepts that could be made waaaayyyy much better by much more competent artists and writers. Maybe oversaturation of a trend that is actually enjoyed in small doses but bad overall ? No . Definitly not by a mile .
@@Snyperwolf91 The one good thing Rob did is that he was instrumental in pushing comic book companies to paying their artists better. I've got to give him respect for that.
As someone who watches Atop the Fourth Wall, I’m more than familiar with Liefeld and his work. I even had this idea that maybe someone should do a comic with a more cleaner art style but then have a nightmare/dream sequence utilizing Liefeld’s art style. I think that would be a more effective use of that kind of art style.
Or human shapes that were grounded in -reality- geometry _[Captain America, crying, wheezing, and sputtering, struggling to hold body up under throbbing, disproportionate mass]:_ i am… not an ani-animal… pl-please kill me
@@RobCamp-rmc_0 to be fair a lot of animators don't like doing feet so it's not unique to Rob at all, the Simpsons animators mentioned how difficult it was to animate feet so they avoided it whenever they could, and Liefeld has actually drawn feet before, just not that often.
It was always funny to see companies try to lean into the whole *"extreme"* aesthetic/ trend. Usually it didn't work out great. Rarely it did, usually it didn't.
I never had any of the Extreme figures as a kid, but I enjoyed watching the cartoon. It always made me wish they were still airing the original Joe cartoon.
Ah yes, the "Early Image Comic" Joes...what a time. I had The SKAR leader toy. I used him and random other figures to be bad guys for my DBZ toys. Back then you could really only get them at specialty import shops so I could only afford a few real ones.
Funny She Ra Princess of Powers was an Sucess and He man got an anime and a 3D Seires why not A Reboot of GI Joe Maybe Something Adult or Serious to Tackle topics like they did with GI Joe Renegades 2010 ❤
@@BlasterBand Yeah In the Renegades Series Corba Instead of a terriorst Group then are a Multi Billionaire Dollar Corporation that Control everything Like OmiCorp from Robocop or Weyland Yutani from the Alien Franchise
My grandmother gave me a bunch of the extreme figures for Christmas. I didn't know what to think. I wanted the classic 3.75 oring figs so badly. I couldn't hide my disappointment. My grandmother was so gracious and returned them. I was just a bit young for the heydey of the classic little joes and my mother never wanted me to have 'army' toys...
It's funny how much the development of GI Joe Extreme mirrors the development of Beast Wars. Both were built as reboots after their preceding 90s toylines underperformed, and Hasbro sent toy development for both over to Kenner. The difference being that Beast Wars was enough of a success that Hasbro took back toy development after 2 years.
Also because gi joe extreme followed the fads of the time trying to be like the other "X-TREME" cartoons and comics of the time while transformers beast wars did it's own thing but kept the core themes of transformers granted that only happened because the transformers G2 comics came out long before the beast wars did soo that's why
As someone who was a huge fan of GI Joe as a kid and for whom GI Joe Extreme hit just around the tail end of my "playing with action figures" days, the problem is that the toys themselves just sucked compared to the awesomeness that was ARAH. They tried to fix something that wasn't broken.
There was another “extreme” G.I.Joe cartoon i used to love as a kid. It had a character called heavy duty who was like road block but not roadblock. I always thought that was called g.i.joe extreme “(it definitely felt extreme)
Versions of Heavy Duty were in the ‘90s cartoon by DiC, the Spy Troops and Valor vs Venom CGI movies of the early 2000s, and perhaps most prominently in the GI Joe: Sigma 6 cartoon.
I’ve been waiting for you to cover this, I was the demographic for this and it totally worked I had some figures and my older brothers who grew up with the 80s show were like what is this crap?? They may have been right…
I was kind of into this line with its clip on armor and foam missiles. Sgt savages detonator Cannon has a clever function where the figure smashes a big button with its fist as the missile fires. Now that's extreme.
I've found renewed interest in GI Joe Extreme because of a personal project I'm working on. I found a way to integrate Extreme into the mainline Joe team, as a Special Operations unit. 3rd Strike Team Echo, derisively called "GI Joe Extreme" because they seem to be cursed to find themselves in way over their heads more often than not. I'm still trying to flesh everything else out.
I definitely remember the power block but i cant decide if i have a vague memory of this or not. The animation style just makes me think of Spider-man Unlimited more than anything
Almost 8 minutes into the video he finally gets to the subject at hand lol. I'm a G.I. Joe lifer since the mid 80s and can appreciate educating people who didn't live it.
Black shadows. Huge muscles. Big guns. Tigertron’s voice actor. Captain N’s voice actor, Matt Hill. The 90s were EXTREME… and hilarious. The odds are a million to one: “AND THAT’S THE WAY WE LIKE IT!” 😆
Thanks for this one. G. I. Joe Extreme may not be as well regarded as the Marvel/Sunbow 1980s cartoon, but it worked best as a comic series as presented by Dark Horse (Frank Miller did the cover for #1). John Clancy seemed a nod to techno thriller writer Tom Clancy. Mayday and Black Dragon seemed influenced by Scarlett and Snake-Eyes and the other characters such as Frieght, Iron Klaw and Sgt. Savage were quite good. The cartoon was simply not as well executed.
Oh man how I loved Rob Liefeld's art in the 90s. Those grotesquely buff and muscular Hulk-sized characters covered in belts and straps duel-wielding firearms that looked like they came from Cybertron. lol Just as my mind automatically goes to the classic Jim Lee art whenever I hear "X-Men" it goes the same for X-Force and Liefeld's art. Youngblood was a good comic series once he got that going on Image. I remember going through hell to save up and snail-mail off for my big azz MacFarlane Toys Badrock figure that I still have to this day from back in like '95 I think. I was a super fan of all those guys that started Image back in the day, I loved Spawn, the Maxx, Savage Dragon, ShadowHawk, Cyberforce, Gen 13, Pitt, WildCATS, Wetworks, and on and on. Good times. 🙂
"Rob Liefeld, patron saint of pouches and blades, tactical straps and faces that look like this (extreme anger from Dan)" that pretty much sums up my comic reading child hood.
I saw the very end of the 3.75 inch line (I actually had a fair amount of the licensed Street Fighter and Mortal Kombat figures too). I remember when Sgt. Savage came out, the figure came with a VHS tape, a short cartoon telling Savage's origins. It was kinda cool, despite the larger size of the Sgt. Savage line it still had a lot of the same articulation as the 3.75 figures. But Sgt. Savage was gone just as fast as it came, and then they moved on to GI JOE: EXTREME. I really didn't care for the DRASTIC shift in aesthetic or the style of the EXTREME figures, particularly because they didn't have as much articulation. I also had trouble becoming interested in the new characters -- not that GI JOE was ever known for nuanced storytelling or strong character development-- I just wasn't used to the new characters, I just liked the old ones because I had spent years with them on their adventures and missions. I guess I just sorta missed them, pretty much that simple.
I was born in 89 and my brother 92. My brothers favorite variant of all of the GI Joe we watched growing up (and we watched literally all the reruns and had the vhs’) was the Sergeant Savage vhs. He passed away from suicide last year at the age of 30 after serving as an infantry marine. Also as an aside, I got my Snake-Eyes/Storm-Shadow Arashikage forearm tattoo as seen in my display pic when I was a teenager.
idk but after watching some episodes I liked the edginess and "liefeld" feel of the show, its so funny to me for the wrong reasons, I honestly loved it
Sargent Savage is actually my inly connection with GI Joe. I got the action figure with the movie in VHS for Christmas ine tear, and begged my folks every year afterwards for his plane.
I remember after 9/11. I walked into a comic shop and there was a new GI Joe comic with the caption REINSTATED. They all looked fierce pointing guns. Snake Eye. Scarlet Now the time it takes to create a comic means this was happenstance. But boy did that comic fly off the shelves.
I wasn't the biggest fan of Extreme but I was happy to see the line continue. Young me tried to get into it but I couldn't stick with it. I also hated that some of the PSAs were word for word copies of the Sunbow ones.
If you haven't done an episode on Image comics, and the independent comics boom of the 90s, I would love to see you do an episode. I remember that whole movement quite fondly, and how it seemed like the upstarts at Image would topple the establishment of DC and Marvel once and for all. But then, if you had asked me back in 92 which character would be bigger 30 years later, Spawn, or Iron Man? I would have sworn on my grandmother's grave that Spawn would be the biggest thing in comics. And to even suggest otherwise would be a colossal joke. Thanks for what had to be your best episode yet! Yooooo Joe! EXTREME!!!!!!!!
I actually liked this show and thought the villain looked pretty radical. Darker show and really good use of color. Extreme always makes me think of 90s Mountain Dew and that group of bullies in the 1st Harold and Kumar 😂
I met a guy at a toy show with a redish beard and noticed there was a Joe that looked like him and asked if it was supposed to be him and he said yes. I believe it because he worked for the toy company.
Man i was the worst kind of consumer as a kid. I never cared for action figures, all i wanted were some hotwheels and video games. Committing the sin of enjoying the show and not buying the toys
"Long distance SKAR resistance!" That sounds less like an action tagline and more like something you'd hear in a commercial for a skincare product that comes in a travel-sized container.
When I first saw the figures I thought "they looked lame" but then I realized something about them... I had like miniature bootleg versions of them as a kid. AND like, they were pretty high quality for bootlegs as well. BUT I also noticed there were lower quality versions as well. Also, despite how I feel about the figures, is it bad that I dig the art direction of the animated show?
Looking forward to GIJoe Renegades. I think it was a lot better than it got credit for. It's also the last GIJoe cartoon. I'm not sure if it can work today in a world market.
I ordered the Second Sight last week and I can't wait to see how its going to look.. I have TCM on VHS, DVD, Blu-ray and now I'm eagerly awaiting the premium 4k!!
The issue was the toys. They were bigger then normal gi Joe's. It was odd yes but they should have had cross overs with the og. A stand alone as a new team didn't work as we had the other toys already.
I was in a sweet spot age-wise in that I remembered watching the 80s GI Joe and was in middle school during the "EXTREME" age of kids tv. GI Joe Extreme, Extreme Dinosaurs, and Extreme Ghostbusters all tried to ride that wave. Of those, I only found Ghostbusters enjoyable and the others were simply left on because they there.
I hated the “extreme” phase of the 90’s almost immediately. This and “extreme ghostbusters” were shows I made a point to avoid for taking Park in the trend
As a child of the 80’s, the main reason GI Joe overtook Star Wars, in toy sales, was the increased level of articulation that line featured. You could do more with the GI Joe line than you could with Star Wars or He Man. Matter of fact, the GI Joe figures made the other action figure lines of the early-mid 80’s look lame by comparison. Like the difference between DVD/Blu Ray and VHS.
Wow...WOW. They just totally ripped off Captain America there lol. Sidenote: See you have been working the biceps bro - nice lol. And Damn - I love the shirt you are rocking. The air combat duel issue of the Marvel GI JOE comic... that's awesome,
I always had mixed feelings about G.I Joe Extreme. At one point, the Cobra storyline ran from 1981 - 1994 in the toyline, from 1982 till 1994 in the comics and the DIC version of the G.I Joe animated series had ended two years prior by 1992. By 1995 it was pretty clear they needed a break from the Cobra storyline. Granted, I will argue it just needed better creative teams for the toys (which had devolved into featuring GOOFY ALIENS in the G.I Joe toy line) and the cartoon (the DIC series devolved into a bad comedy), even though the comic still had good quality. However, a break from Cobra was nice when the Extreme version of G.I Joe came out and I did enjoy the G.I Joe Extreme cartoon for what it was and the toys were okay and the Dark Horse G.I Joe comic was okay (you would figure Rob Liefeld from Image would have scooped up G.I Joe Extreme comic license over Dark Horse comics, but I digress. LOL). HOWEVER, At the same time, over time I kept wondering when Snake Eyes or one of the fan favorite G.I Joes like Duke from the Cobra series were going to pop up in G.I Joe Extreme, but that never happened. Would have been nice for Iron Claw from G.I Joe Extreme to team up with a more gritty version of Cobra Commander in a major G.I Joe Extreme story arc, but that never happened either. While they did need a break from the Cobra story arc (those goofy aliens at the end of the toy line during 1994 caused a lot of damage and from what I read and saw online, if the Cobra story arc had continued beyond 1994 they would have done a weird thing during 1995 where all the main Joes and Cobras would have been POSSESSED by aliens with aliens coming out of their chests. The concept art for that looked horrid, no wonder Hasbro execs went with Sgt. Savage instead), G.I Joe Extreme departing many miles away from the Cobra story arc may have been too extreme (pun intended) for a lot of G.I Joe fans. At least they eventually went back to the Cobra story arc years later (minus the stupid aliens).
6:10 that commercial was my very first exposure to G.I. Joe as a brand. Then they stopped showing that commercial, which told me the toys were a failure.
