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i thought that was the point hearing a familiar tune flipped into something modern. i honestly enjoy alot of these flips. don't fuck up the sample because you wan't to go without paying the originators. we know that's the reason yawl hate on producers sampling a whole loop.
I give Slick Rick props. He was one of the first rappers in the 80’s to produce his own records. Played keys and programmed his drums. Barely used a samples in his songs.
One thing I've noiced is a lot of Hip-Hop fans basically don't listen to any other genres at all. Most of the greatest producers in Hip-Hop have had a wide and varied music taste and that is evident in the samples present in their beats. You definitely won't get as much of that if tomorrow's Hip-Hop producers pretty much oly listen to Hip-Hop.
It's not about sampling that makes people mad it's the lack of new things . People want new things .when u Copy and paste a song or make it worse it's not an enjoyable thing for fans anymore it's the songs content that is destroying hiphop
Agreed. It’s about taking something that inspired you and makes you feel a type of way and then bring that joy into your world and making it something that’s completely yours. Not just throwing trap drums on an old sample and rapping the same old flow over it.
Well i think that's the unfortunate inevitable factor of sampling... you will become reliant on it and redundant. Especially with the technology making tjings way more convenient now
To me the main difference is if the beats feel lazy/obvious or not, regardless of where the sample comes from. And that depends on context too. Looping ”footsteps in the dark” or ”between the sheets” is lazy now because it’s obvious but ”good day” or ”big poppa” is still classics.
you can sample anything including hip-hop with orginality as well you can sample anything by looping 2/4/8 etc bars, pitch a couple semitones up/down and call it a day - can it sound cool? no doubt! is it origninal? hell no. There is a cool documentary about sampling from 2009 called "copyright criminals"
We invite these songs into our lives and into our minds, and in some ways, the songs we love become a part of us. If an artist has an interpretation of a pre-existing work that they want to share with the rest of us they should do it, no matter how big or small the changes are, or how long it's been since the original dropped. The only criteria is listenability. Doesn't take much effort or creativity to slap together a sandwich, but if it hits the spot, it hits the spot.
Thanks for making this video me and my friend were talking about this yesterday, but because of technology and the recent widespread reach of hip hop I think we are entering an era of creativity and new genres
Dangggg I dunno if you saw my last comment on your samples of covers vid but I got hype affff when I saw the pursuit of happiness into hands on the wheel🤙🏻
Was thinking about this the other day. I think for me, the more recent samples or hip hop songs feel like someone just took a section of a hip hop song, downloaded a loop, and just dropped a few loops on it. The fun part of sampling is taking something and finding the "idea" of what to turn it into (to me at least). It can feel like the easy route was taken just doing looping a section of the song and dropping in a drum groove then kicking you feet up. Also a hint of jealous maybe of going "I spent all that time doing all this chopping, and that's what they did?! That's absurd!"
Great topic and very much a sign of the times. Its almost like we are becoming more accepting of recycling even with things that should be more creative in nature.
Hip hop sampling hip hop was inevitable. 2 things I think will help this to sound better moving forward: Use a sample that's at least 20 years old or more so it doesn't feel like we literally just heard the song in the mainstream. Even if you don't wait that long, always do something to make the sample sound different. Change the key, BPM, arrangement, etc. Sidenote: Hip hop was built on sampling other genres of music. Why not just use other genres as source material for sampling? There is so much untapped potential still out there.
I don't think producers are out of ideas but one thing pops and artists want to ride the same wave. Now producers suffer because a lot of artists want the same thing
We're actually at the point in time where hip hop will probably fall in popularity much like Heavy/Thrash metal did. History has cycles and funny enough even music had its cycles. I think people are hungry for a bright sound next. If this gets seen by the future, please comment and let me know if i was right.
Sampling has always been about taking a song you like and showing respect to it and reviving it in a new way. Interpolations are a form of respect to the artists and songs you love. I sample and take inspiration from my favorite songs all the time, but I always make sure to add new elements to it to make it my style and not just regurgitating it and saying it's mine.
The 4 elements hasn’t really been a thing in mainstream hiphop/rap culture for a long time. Of course it’s still there in the underground in a sense, but hiphop has been a massive corporate machine since at least the 90s and it’s hard to become a millionaire from graf.
If you can revitalize a song sampling is great. In some cases many artist may use it to pay homage. But there have been scensrios where its just copy paste from the beat to the cadence to the lyrics and so forth. that's when its no longer sampling to me. I remember someone said its not what you sample its how you sample it. That to me is something i think about when I make a record
its the taste that makes the difference. it was a good day was ice cubes storytelling on an instrumental that was 90% made by someone else many years ago. its known that labels are buying rights to older music so they can make modern reworks that appeal to the kids with the production and lyrical content while also appealing to the older guys by copying their favourite songs. my parents hate it tho theyd rather just listen to the original
Everyone is free to sample whatever they want, as long as they clear the sample. The more the new beat resembles the original sample, the less the beatmaker earns from publishing, that's their problem. Simply looping a sample instead of using more advanced techniques might make us beatmakers frown, but let's be honest, listeners don't care. The only one who loses out from this is the beatmaker themselves.
In my opinion it’s the quality of the sampling. How the producer arranges the track the subtleties. These days they just lay the old track right on top of another beat. As a listener i want to acoustically investing what song was sampled
Good video Navie. Tbh I don’t think the copy and paste method should be encouraged BUT if the song hits the song hits. As long as you make something good (sounds good, good lyrics) then we good.
The most recent example that really did it for me was Get It Sexxy by Sexxy Red, which samples Halle Berry by Hurricane Chris. It's been like 15 years since it came out, but it still feels too soon to sample that lol
I think copy and paste sampling is like making sequel movies, you can only make so many till people get bored. The higher the songs quality and originality the longer it will stay echoing in future generations and I think that just reflects how influential the original art is.
Personally I feel like letting release dates and genres affect what youre gonna use is just limiting, imagine finding the perfect song to sample and then changing your mind after finding out the release date and genre
Well yeah so like you said just at the end.. what if you sampled from live performances that are only uploaded to youtube or artists that are covering other songs that aren’t theirs. 1 that should that’s already different from the original. And 2 it should then be less legal complications to sample right?
I think a great example is Saint Pablo. When you recreate a song using something you love, your not being uncreative and just slapping trap drums on it. your taking the feeling and vibe that you love so much and insipres you from the other song and bringing it into your world and putting your emotions into this new song.
Anything goes with Sampling. There should be no rules at all based on time or genre sampled. But the finished products made today will reflect the creativity of current hip hop. So when people are sampling things from 4 years ago and barely changing it. thats not a very good sign.
Really intriguing topic! When I was younger, it never ever crossed my mind that rap beat can actually contain sample from another rap song (unless it is a vocal sample). But over the years, my pov on beats changed. I do not consider rap beat to be a musical piece. Beat is just a musical reflection of what is being said over it; a sort of the atmosphere setter. That being said, to me, sampling is about finding the right sound texture that corresponds to the lyrics. If that texture is being found within another rap beat, use it. But don't be lazy :)
i agree but they are musical pieces because not every producer uses sampled instrumentation. also not all beats are derived from an rappers verse. can't front you do get some great outcomes when you tailor it around the vocals. majority of the time the beat is setting the tone and direction at least in rap.
@@NavieD being the writter first, i was always making a beat to suit the needs of my lyrics.. but your point is also valid.. a chicken and an egg, i guess :)
@@newtwirl-order7449 i get where are you coming from, and I respect it. However, in most of the cases (to my ears), making a musical piece out of a rap beat sounds sloppy or weird. Now when I think about it, it seems to me that way probably because spitting over a beat is usually not musical. Yes, there is rhytmic pattern rapper does with his voice, but, honor to the exceptions, it is usually not so notes related (unlike singing is). Of course, I listen to different kind of hip-hop subgenres and different kind of music in general, and this is just thinking out loud, and not, in anyway, something that i think of as a general fact.
I can understand why we think it's a lack of creativity. I do believe it stems from us being young producers and emulating what our influences did, which was sample records before hip hop blew up in the 90s.
The way Kanye & School Boy Q sample is how i also sample and my opinion is that its the best way to do it so even the original song owner can be satisfied and not feel ripped off thier hard work and efforts in creating music 🎶
I think resampling isn't bad, as long as it's something good, and pays homage to the original. I haven't done too much samples from other songs. But, I mean sometimes you hear something usable in a song and you have to do it.
i think its to do with time difference - ppl hold alot of the older music in higher regards so when it becomes updated in a new way they start seething because they cant stand new music
Lil Uzi told Travis if he could use the Way Back sample, which is also only half of Way Back. So, as a rap fan it's essentially a remix and you could mix the two tracks together.
I think for sampling to be succesfull, the song that samples needs to either use the sample creatively so it sounds different, or have a different purpose than the sampled song (like on "It Was a Good Day").
Imo it's all about creativity, simple as that. Even if you simply make a slight modification to the sample, as long as you integrate your creativity into your composition and make a good track, it'll be fine. The point is, the producer should always make sure that the song they made contains their own creativity within it. Avoid letting the sample carry every second of the track.
Has there any been any situations where a sample is forever associated with an iconic song, the sample gets reused for a new song and the old hip hop song artist and producer doesnt get any songwriting credit?
I’ve had the genre dissolution theory for a while. I think music is gonna be less focused on a specific sound or genre and just become a melt of a variety of styles. That would perfectly suit the times because the internet is such a big Dutch oven of information and ideas that one day, we will have that renaissance
In my opinion, the difference is the genre of the track which is being sampled. If it's a jazz song and you want to sample it to use in your hiphop track, that's a different case compared to sampling a famous hiphop track.
The important part of this conversation is that this is literally what is supposed to happen. It is a fundamental part of a capitalist market. Goods to be consumed trend towards commodities. In music this has happened very quickly with the proliferation of algorithms that value replay and high reach. There are like three or four companies whole own 90% of it too, so it is becoming harder and harder for audiences or artist to push back.
There's nothing that pisses me off more than taking samples that sound identical to the original song. Now there are exceptions, obviously, like with Cube. I think it depends on how popular the original song is that makes the new song good/bad for using the sample. Surely the artists use the sample because they love the original song and want to pay homage to it in some way
what sense does that make. if you have to pay for using the sample, u have the right to use any part. picture me handing in some choppy ass beat knowing i'm eventually going to have to pay for. just so i can show hip hop purest that i'm like them. what? they used to diss kanye for this.
To give an answer, Yes! it is lazy. If you are inspired by a melody, then at least flip it and give it your own flavour. Now, what's the difference? I could imagine that technically, limitations made something like ice cubes it was a good more excusable. These days, with the technology we got, there's no excuse for a producer to not express themselves with a well crafted melody. People gotta get unique again.
homestly my biggest criticism of drake in the beef was family matters and push ups sounding too similar, it feels like everyone one of kdots disses bought something new and a different style where drake just sounded like he always does
It’s, to me at least, the fact that I’m in love with the original material. It’s not the time difference, but the fact that the original tracks are still hot. And while it wouldn’t be the same with the Isley Brothers one to me, it might have been for our parents. The way RZA’s mom put it, in the Hulu show, stuck with me; “a bunch of dirty rhymes on our favorite records” (something like that). We’re just aging 😂
at the same time you have creative unique producers coming out of the TDE camp. Sounwave is one of the most underrated producers. the stuff he did with Kendrick over the years is going down some of the best hip hop production ever. Tae beast, willie. b, sounwave, and Dj Dahi, are in a whole other level
Hip hop is built on sampling, not sure how this is any different, it's a older genre now, there is actual hip-hop to sample and make it mean something.
this has been the argument since they start of hiphop, people are always going to have a love hate relationship with sampling and only a few years in the future will we look back on those songs and think “naaahhh that sample was actually hard” it’s really just a matter of time
i would use autotune as an example on whether sampling is hurtful or beneficial to music because they both have the same answer, poor execution is the problem. Travis scott revolutionized how autotune is used in rap just like how kanye revolutionized sampling with his creativity. Subjective media such as music will always be open to change as long as there's a genius to exploit the momentum of having something "new".
It also feels silly to pretend there's an originality problem and not an oversaturation problem. There's, generally, a shitload of music, so making something truly unique original etc is difficult. The Stil D.R.E example is really just the melody being recreated the songs sound different. I think as a style trap is dying. Trap will have to evolve for it to not get swept up.
I don't mind hip hop sampling hip hop (if it's done in a transformative way), but I honestly prefer producers like Madlib, the Alchemist, 9th Wonder, RZA, Tyler, the Creator, etc. because they usually sample obscure RnB/Jazz/fim scores and flip it into something far more interesting than just restructuring Dr Dre beats
Hip hop sampling itself has always been a part of hip hop since pretty much the beginning, i think you should really extend this video and maybe dig a little deeper, for instance Slick Rick's track had already been sampled countless times in the past, even the beat was used by Montel Jordans "This is how we do it"
Ouroboros. A snake eating its own tail. Loki season 2. I thought you would bring up Kendricks "Euphoria". 2 samples in that, one teddy p and then a Drake song played backwards
As an old hip hop head, i dig the point you made at about 2:15 or so. Sample a track that has some years on it. Give it a good generation or so before you bring it some life.
Personally, l HAVE BEEN WAITING FOR THIS FOR THE LONGEST! Let the money start circulating within the genre. WE BEEEEN sampling other genres since inception. The more creative samplers will be rewarded with heavy rotations.
@@zzalt why can’t a reply not have shade? I am in the loop. Kanye is an example of someone who samples creatively… he’s never really had an issue getting rotation. Hack… he’s EVEN SAMPLED HIS OWN TRACKS!
@@NavieD l definitely want to see much more of sampling Hip-Hop and Hip-Hop adjacent genres (R&B, Soul, Neo-Soul, Dancehall, Slam Poetry, Street Battle Rap etc). I presume we are talking about top flight producers (or at least people with apt musical knowledge to compose something great even without relying on sampling to begin with). I get that Hip-Hop has celebrated the digging the crates culture for the longest time, this is now time to dig through Hip-Hop’s 50 year catalogue to find hidden gems. Also, bear in mind Hip-Hop is international… there’s soo much to sample out here. You guys have yet to hear Afrikan Hip Hop. You will be surprised with what you find that can be sampled. Timbaland once sampled our Zimbabwean Legend Oliver Mutukudzi (look up Party People ft. Jay Z… then listen to “Ndima ndapedza”. Granted, it wasn’t Hip Hop he was sampling but there gems here on the continent… and elsewhere. That sample could have easily been KingPinn - l salute you or Jnr Brown - MaDrinks).
I think its the approach there is more to sampling than just looping a sample, adding some drums and 808 then calling it a day......rather experiement ideas see how it comes up thats why l like kanye's sampling techniques
Producers have been sampling older hip hop since hip hop was a thing. I'm pretty sure Madlib and Doom have used 100s of samples of 80s hip hop from the wild style days like Kanye's Nas track. It's not what you sample, but how you do it.
