The Far-Right Hates This 

AFD seen as whole is actually not "far right". And most criticism is not "hate". I'm very much on the left myself, and I think it's important that especially our side does not mislabel anything. It only breeds confusion, negativity and aggression - because no one likes to be misunderstood. For example, how would anyone on the left feel about being called a "communistst" all the time, no matter what we talked about? Hainbach - your intentions are clearly good, but please don't use the wrong words, terms and labels. Because so many other artists and creative people do, and it's so destructive for important societal debates.

@@PerChristianFrankplads From Wikipedia: „It (AfD)is positioned on the radical right, or far right, of the political spectrum within the family of European political parties.“ I am correct in putting it as I put it.

@@Hainbach The AfD is clearly fascist. And yes, you are correct in putting it as you did.

@@Hainbach: Did you really delete my reply to your comment with the Wikipedia quote? If so, that's very disappointing. As I said, I'm very much on the left myself, and it's this kind of censorship and dislike of rational discussions that plagues our political side today. I really thought you would be better than this, but if you deleted my previous comment (and especially this one as well), I guess that says something significant.

I'm left wing but I am a gun lover.

oh Bella, ciao!

Shitting on fascists is more German than being fascist. Objectively.

@@AndrossUT they used to have to have a wall to keep it out even

@@AndrossUT Marx was german, after all.

@@theothertonydutch lolololol got 'em.

I was about to say myself! Post-War German music is extremely forward thinking, and I cannot imagine it existing anywhere else but Germany.

@@thelo-fidelityarchive597 Post-War German music was also largely made by people who didn't support the Nazis and were now trying to find a new way forward. The AFD represent the kind of people who thought the Nazis were right and Germany needed to go back to that. Fascists tend to be pretty shit artists.

@@noesunyoutuber7680 But it was also the music of the late 19th and early 20th century. That's mainly due to how music was publically funded and also how the academic study of music was established. All the German speaking microstates started to establish research Universities after Prussia had done so in Berlin and Bonn and started to compete by adding new departments. As a result you got the first departments of music and then to keep up more of them started to pop up. But you are right in that the Nazis opposed these styles of music as well, anything that came after the late Romantic period, really (and that's the same for other types of art as well).

Yeah, I find the organ scene in France and Germany to be very avant-garde when it comes to new compositions as well as the design of new pipe organs.

Indeed, even sticking to the late 20th century German avant-garde was extremely influential on an enormous amount of new music styles. If you listen to interviews or documentaries about virtually any band from the UK from the 70s or 80s doing something new, there’s almost inevitably a moment where they say the moment their understanding of music change was something like “I heard Kraftwerk for the first time on the radio, and that took me to Can/Faust/Stockhausen/etc.”

With all confidence: Music has no purpose whatsoever beyond _being good to listen to._ Political writers can only parasitize upon music and the arts by denying the the sublime; through attempting to subordinate any and all potential of the art form into the service of an ideological goal or statement. Truly a reductive and fateful mistake, imho. _Life and music can be much more beautiful than that._

The part where you are agreeing with Goebbels should cause pause, not affirmation. He was a propagandist. Propagandists politicize everything. When you are a hammer, everything looks like a nail.

@@shaft9000 Let me take your claim that music must be good to listen to at face value (music can be abrasive sometimes or downright painful, but it's still music). Even then, if we define music as something that is good to listen to, and people think that political music is good to listen to, then what's the problem? You don't have to enjoy it to accept that it is music We must also recognize that attempts by the right (or anyone really, but it's usually the right) to make art apolitical is itself a political decision. Art or music that is sympathetic to their cause is not considered political and therefore allowed, while opposing politics is not allowed

@@shaft9000 Sorry, I couldn't hear you over me listening to the DEATH track from Cruelty Squad's OST. No, seriously though, as a hobby musician I can tell you with all confidence: Music has no purpose but to be art. It is, by nature, political, as it is influenced and shaped by your ideas, worldview and ethics. You don't have to make it explicitly political, obviously, but just like any form of art, it is mere communication from an artist to a consumer via a medium. And they can chose whatever it is they want to communicate and in whatever shape and form. And if you don't like it, that's fine. But music is most definitely NOT made to "be good to listen to".

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I was going to say that the actions of the AfD bear a horrible resemblance to the Entartete Kunst ("degenerate art") activities of the 1930s. The irony is that this period virtually wiped out all native German culture up to that point, and a "new" German culture had to be constructed from the ashes of WW2. This rebuild led directly to the avant-garde and electronic music of Can, Neu, Tangerine Dream etc. that we, outside of Germany, so admire to this day! Art and music need to be presented and tested before the public without fear, and if it becomes "niche" - well, so be it. After all, the critics rushed to criticize Mozart, Bach, Beethoven etc. as they were creating their greatest works. Meanwhile, the "destructive tape loops" idea is a brilliant way to counter their sour rhetoric. Well done, Mr Hainbach, I salute you. Music transcends all this BS.

For real,when I was hearing the story I thought it was going to be the typical far right rhetoric with dog whistles to hide their real,hateful message. But it surprised how BLATANT some of these people were

time to go make some of that neo folk music, but make it progressive protest music.

@@MirlitronOne "the actions of the AfD bear a horrible resemblance to the Entartete Kunst ("degenerate art") activities of the 1930s" That is not an accident, in fact, that's the intention. These people are just trying to recreate a horrible regime that killed many.

the "guys we're nazis, like literally we're saying it to your face" coupled with the 'wow it seems like these guys are doing some things that have troubling echoes from a certain past regime, seriously do better guys this is pretty yikes' response pattern is getting pretty grating tbh

Same thing happening in the usa

art is language?

@@heartache5742 from a difrent point of view So are memes

@@heartache5742 Yes, art is language. Art communicates ideas, emotions, concepts, humor, terror, anger, hope and more. Art communicates the thoughts of the artist, and generates new thoughts in those who experience it. This is language. Communication is the only utility of language, language is anything that communicates information from one mind to another or many. Of course art is language. It can be nothing else.

@@Kazemahou but the author is dead and the ideas are scrambled beyond any possibility of recognition and that language is communicative/representational is a common misconception animals communicate perfectly fine without language the world runs on non-linguistic communication between various bodies

@@heartache5742 in an abstract way yes, and in a very concrete way it is a way to express something.

Dude you were occupying Germany. If you think the right is a threat today you have another think coming.

Well, why _is_ the US Army is still occupying Germany after 75 years? And how do we have 'a left' without also having more or less of 'the other side' to compare it to? This is far more nuanced than merely wanting to be 'on the right side of history' - which is an odd goal if one is decidedly "left". That simplistic attitude is just what kicks the can down the road to future generations. _.....thanks, boomers!_

@@domdraper3221 The right is a threat. If you're unaware of the threat, that's your own personal failure.

@@shaft9000 Yeah, such a terrible motivation not to allow america or the world at large to slide into regressive right-wing fascism/theocracy.

@@domdraper3221 not sure you realise why "defending" is in quotes like that in @walterinpv comment. Maybe give it another think, or you've got another THING coming.

@@CampVictoria They’re literally the far-right mate, sorry if the label fits

It’s not Folk Music it’s Neofolk Music, a specific genre devised by fascists to spread their aesthetics of violence. Death in June, Boyd Rice, other satanists and psychopaths infest that scene. Down with them!

Of course they haven't progressed. Fascism and conservative ideologies in general are diametrically opposed to progress. "Reject modernity, embrace tradition" is a guiding principle for reactionaries. Their ideal society is one in which they never have to experience anything new or be challenged intellectually. That's why despite the far right being ever present they've never been at the forefront of any artistic movement.

@@TayTayMakesBeats nailed it

@@TayTayMakesBeats that's not strictly true - look up the Italian poet Marinetti who founded the Futurist movement, which is a vital part of the story of the avant garde, but also he an early proponent of fascism, a huge supporter of Mussolini and I think even wrote the fascist manifesto. Plenty of other early modernists with similar leanings - D'Annunzio, Wyndham Lewis, Ezra Pound...

Even in ancient Greece the music was political.

Harmony ✔️ rhythm ✔️ melody ✔️ 🤔

In this case harmony has a double meaning 😉

maybe not much with music but everything with art

When someone says art is not political, it only means they have never seen art.

But he's also white, so guilty of original sin in IdPol circles. Does that mean sending emails is also cultural appropriation? 🤔

@@chetatkins6008 yikes edgy

@@ChaosSwissroIl claiming that 'use of a piece of software written by a white person = bad' is a leftist value is constructing a straw man larger than the eiffel tower lmao

@@ChaosSwissroIl Bruh I am 'a leftist' (tho i imagine this term has a different meaning between us) and do not advocate this nor have i ever heard a claim like that from any of my peers. Of course i agree that this specific quip is absurd. Claiming that this is a mainstream leftist view though is just silly. There are real issues around cultural appropriation and avoiding anything created by white people does not solve them and is not part of any political agenda i've seen, but feel free to prove me wrong

@@ChaosSwissroIl That's not what cultural appropriation is. You got mad at something you invented in your head.

Rewind!

@@BluePlanetMedia You can be kindly critical.

@@ChaosSwissroIl Yeah, that's why they are labeled like that... 🙄

@@ChaosSwissroIl Pls. Just think about the logic of your comment for a sec. it makes no sense.

@Alfie why are you interested in that?

Republican mainstream political policy places them in the far right of most of Europe.

@@deadlightdotnet American Politics in general is far right lol

@@dylanroemmele906 Yeah, it's very skewed. The Democrats, in terms of policy, are pretty much the same as our Conservative party in the UK

@@deadlightdotnet Maybe more on the lines of Ukraine lol

Democrats in the USA are insane. They are the party founded on Slavery. They are the party of Racism, Segregation, anti Woman Voting, Redlining (keeping minorities is garbage communities), etc... There is more, but RU-vid always censors the facts. The left is evil. They suppress freedom of speech. They are history revisionists. They cancel anyone they disagree with.

Man, IDK. I'm ignorant about German politics, but it looked to me that the problem to them is the festival being funded with public money. Their manifests are kinda hateful, yes, but are them against the music or the public money being put on it?

@@PastelComGini Every single country in the world has a public arts fund of some kind, their problem isn't with public money being used for the arts, but with that money going to art which challenges their reactionary worldview, anti-fascist art is an overwhelmingly positive force.

@@CampVictoria Well, seeing as usually the right-wing bands are actively being homophobic/xenophobic, then yes they should be defunded. Because hate isn't an opinion. And don't pretend it is.

@@CampVictoria Why would he? Why should he?

@@CampVictoria lmao

@@CampVictoria This is a 'what aboutist' argument and it seems you're comparing apples with oranges. I don't know which events you're refering to but pushing to defund a festival because they are critical of your political party is something very different than defunding events that promote things like homophobia/xenophobia etc as Amara points out. A political party should be open to criticism no matter where it finds itself on the political spectrum.

It's funny that these are almost always the types to cry about cancel culture (usually when people call them out for being prejudiced) when they're more than willing to shut down harmless artistic expression because it doesn't align with their views.

Yeah, but that's the good kind of politics. /s

Calling any artform non-political smacks of complete ignorance. Art is inherently political because (among loads of other reasons) many political ideologies are anti-art. Self-expression is a challenge to fascism because fascists believe self-expression is a defect to be stamped out.

@@noesunyoutuber7680 There have been studies on this to examine it more closely. Researchers identified five "moral foundations" people have... and the results varied quite a bit with political affiliation. Specifically, the studies found that people on the left place very high value on: A. Fairness (integrity, justice, proportionality) B. Caring (empathy, doing no harm) People on the right also value these things, but to a lesser extent. Instead, people on the right (especially far right) placed a higher priority on: C. Ingroup loyalty D. Obedience to authority E. Purity (order, cleanliness, disgust toward differences and disorder) The researchers considered these last three to be good things, and concluded or at least hinted that people on the right are more ethical because they have more values. However, traits C+D+E add up to a strongly conformist value system which considers uniqueness and self-expression to be defects. It's basically the core of what enables fascism. If you're interested in more detail, look up Moral Foundations Theory. It's a fascinating look at humanity.

@ The Pack Rat Basically, while moving from left to right on the political spectrum, the studies found that the weight of A and B decreased and C, D, and E increased. There was a point in-between where the lines crossed, but that doesn't mean it's an optimal balance. Being half-caring and half-fascist is better than being entirely fascist, but it's still not great. FWIW, the intersection point was near the right edge of the graph. The vast majority of the population scores higher on A and B than on the other traits... and basically only criminals, psychopaths, and right-wing authoritarians scored higher on C, D, and E.

As for self-expression vs fascism, there were other studies which looked at right-wing authoritarianism and found some curious results... Like, after establishing a given trait as bad or undesirable, a study asked people how much of that trait a person should ideally have -- less than average, an average amount, or more than average. Almost everyone answered "less than average", of course... but people with right-wing authoritarian traits answered "an average amount". Like, they didn't care if it was bad... they just cared if it was common. They recognized that they had that trait, and wanted to believe everyone else did too. They needed to believe they were normal. This is probably a big part of why the far right spends so much effort saying everyone else is "equally bad". And why the previous president cared so much about crowd sizes. And why, when no one agrees with them, they call themselves "the silent majority". And why that one lady calls herself "One Million Moms" even though it's just one person and a few twitter followers. They call people "sheep", but yet are very deeply uncomfortable with being different, and are obsessed with being part of a flock. Meanwhile, the rest of the population views uniqueness and self-expression as good things. In any case, one key finding from the study was that, when dealing with an extremist of that sort, it's pointless to argue that what they're doing is wrong. They probably are well aware of that, and just don't care. Instead, it's more effective to show them that they're alone, that what they're doing is weird or aberrant. So Hainbach's destruction tapes, and the widespread positive response to it, are a great answer. It may seem a bit like public ridicule, but it speaks their language. It hits on a level much deeper than any rational or empirical argument ever could.

@ The Pack Rat Left-wing authoritarians are too rare to really measure. However, the moral foundations researchers later added a sixth trait called "liberty", because Libertarians were upset about being lumped in with other conservatives. So there are a couple more categories on the spectrum... there are conservatives who value liberty above everything else, and they're usually called Libertarians. They tend to vote the same as other conservatives, but for different reasons. There are also progressives who value liberty above everything else, and they're usually called anarchists. They tend to vote differently, and often support right-wing policies for much the same reasons as Libertarians do.

I'd like to see a visual interactive one with printouts you can place into a shredder, perhaps pulling a lever drops one on a conveyor belt leading them to the mouth of the machine. Then use the bits to make papier maché or something useful like that.

Yes!

@@mixiekins it opens up so many possibilities for so many uses in so many other ways (such as shredding, like you suggested) - I can see this as an excellent tool for mental health therapy, for example

Nope, it is about working for the 1% to destroy your own people. You are globalist or not globalist, everything else is just smoke and mirrors.

@@mister2628 My own people are the workers of the world and it is for this very reason that I'm an internationalist. Your borders and national "pride" are the smokes and mirrors designed to keep the working class in a state of servitude by pitting us against each other, while we should unite to fight the capitalist exploitation all over the world and stand in solidarity with each other. You're just doing the bidding of the capitalist class (the actual 1%), and if you're hoping to gain some benefits from the exploitation and suffering of other working class people, well you won't gain anything in the long run unless you're a capitalist yourself. So please stop licking the boot that will ultimately crush you and join the struggle for liberation of all people. Otherwise you can take your thinly veiled xenophobic and antisemitic take elsewhere thank you.

Such a great point. An example being many from that political spectrum pointing to specific classical music, which at the contemporary time could have been composed by a deeply critical composer (Chopin, Beethoven in his later years, etc) and was scrutinized at the time

Everything in German sounds like from 1930. That's how they sound.

the far right isn't representative of "people on the right" in the same way that i hope you're not representative of the soviets or modern day chinese communists.

@@toiletfriend420 they didn't mention "people on the right", they mentioned "the far right" I think you should consider why you jumped to that conclusion.

@@anessenator no jumping done. i just wanted to remind everyone that extremism does as extremism does no matter its polarity.

@@toiletfriend420 Extreme socialist libertarianism?

@@anessenator yes, that well known extreme entity "Extreme socialist libertarianism". come on.

It is also nicely ironic that they also want to have music that is, nationalistic.

@@authorless That's easy: just appropriate folk music. Unless it's in some kind of way "communist" folk music :D

I would tend to agree, though. Setting out to make a message and then tethering the musical form to it like tentpoles is the method of propaganda. But, you could certainly have statements with serious political implications well up within you and manifest through song. Perhaps it isn't always column A/column B, though?

@@Mahaveez I'd say propaganda is the opposite, using a popular medium and attach politics to it: the "forcing political messages into music" part. What that guy doesn't understand is that art has (more often than not) political value, with no need to "force" a message.

agree with all thats said, but I do feel that music is better enjoyed aesthetically & emotionally instead of ideologically & intellectually. both left and right leaning people tend to contribute massively to the current division instead of bringing people together.

@Stromberg Thornton - Understood. Although for me, the far right don't terrify me. They often make me sad and sometimes make me laugh!

​@@NewRomancer37the reason is that political propaganda has become more accessible and that foolish people eat it up.

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@@BluePlanetMedia As someone from the US it also worries me as well. There is a similar pall over the U.S. with people mistakenly thinking that you’ve got to choose undemocratic/fascist thinking because the power structure is pushing that narrative. We live in times of great despair and it’s a problem all of us are dealing with- so I don’t understand what you mean.

@@BenWard29 exactly.

@@BluePlanetMedia I didn’t say that the US was causing issues there or that they were causing issues in the US. The underlying problem is alienation, disenfranchisement and lack of opportunity are causing politicians to push a populist/nationalist agenda to those people who will accept an easy boogeyman. Whether it’s “ethnic replacement,” “mass migration,” “critical race theory” or “government sponsored festivals that aren’t nationalist enough,” most of these topics, and the conversation surrounding them are very similar between Europe and the US. It is myopic to think that right-wing movements don’t have a similar core or goal. The right wing constantly sees the same issues as the rest of us but evaluates the problem to cherry pick data and back up their existing ideology instead of possibly questioning what they believe- and the far-right has some of the most bone-headed takes I’ve ever heard. If I’m not seeing something clearly here, please inform me- I’m actually willing to question my beliefs. I only really care about improving the material conditions for all, maintaining our rights, stop arguing about bullshit and just actually do something.

'since postmodernism' Not much time tbh

@@CampVictoria Says the guy commenting on every post he can find haha

@@V3xxe I don’t get it.

@@aaronjsolomon That user is basically going into every post that mentions right-wing politics and saying "but it's the left who are the bad guys!". It's rather comical.

@@V3xxe It's another potential art project.

“The old world is dying, and the new world struggles to be born: now is the time of monsters.”

przydałoby się takie coś w Polsce

Literally the opposite is true, don't see right wing people tearing down statues or melting ancient artifacts.

@@anessenator You can stick your corporate communism up where the sun doesn't shine.

@@mister2628 "wahhh this is communism, everything i dont like is communism. antifa are the real fascists wahhhh" thats what u sound like. 161!!!

Are you talking about all the tyrannical governments and how they are dealing with covid?

@@domdraper3221 Unless governments started gassing non-vaccinated people and putting them into ovens, no.

@@Copperhell144 Ok I’m not sure you know what a tyrannical government is. Nice try though.

@@domdraper3221 I feel like I gave a pretty good example of one tho?

@@Copperhell144 Not way. There have been way worse.

No, that's Anarchy and Totalitarianism you're describing, in that order

unfortunately americas past is also americas present. the grand daughters and sons of slave owners benefit from their ancestors past. and those who arent white experience systematically attacks and oppression based on their identities.

Please stop watching Fox and actually go to Portland some time. No city in the US has been burned down since the KKK was doing it in the 30s and pretty much all of the murder was committed by cops and fascists.

@@gearandalthefirst7027 yep, we watched on many news stations the burning of businesses in your state.

It does, it's great.

They don't think it exists for them. You are just delusional. It's traditional and that's why they think it's good. Simply as that.

@Misuta Suparkoro yup. he knows he's protected from negative feedback. And if an unkind comment slips through, he can use it to showcase "hatred" which becomes the justification for the protection he's afforded. Neat trick huh?

i have a feeling nobody would miss you guyses opinions 🙂

@@bottomtext7700 what is it you think you can't say? You can say whatever you like, the only comments that are going to be removed are obviously racist ones. Oh... that's what you're upset about isn't it? You're upset you can't be racist 😂

@@CampVictoria If you're going through these comments just to spread right wing talking points, will you kindly leave? We don't care.

@@CampVictoria In my mind, I'm destruction looping everything you just said. Farewell.

every reaction has an equal and opposite reaction.

@@V3xxe I get that it's pretty disturbing for you see an opposing viewpoint.

@@gctechs It's more funny than anything tbh. Keep going so I can laugh some more.