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@Spazattitude
@Spazattitude Год назад
I wouldn't be surprised if Alpharius was currently alive and on Terra running a hotdog stand right outside the gates of the imperial palace for the last twelve thousand years.
@matthewspencer2094
@matthewspencer2094 8 месяцев назад
Some 2 thousand year old custodian standing at the gate pondering... Wait a second, I recognise him from way back.. how long has that guy been around here for again?
@samfire3067
@samfire3067 7 дней назад
​@@matthewspencer2094he can cloak himself to be someone Else using his psyker Powers.
@TheDethBringer666
@TheDethBringer666 Год назад
Pluto's easily one of the core reasons I'm with Alpharius; he would never waste his time arguing with Dorn, especially not mid-invasion/battle.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
EXACTLY 👏👏👏
@Crafterman535
@Crafterman535 Год назад
@@livefromtheblacklibrary unless, that was the plan all along…
@johncolvin2754
@johncolvin2754 Год назад
Primaries can't help chatting shit with each other it's in the genes, I should know im alphadius hahaha ha Haa!!
@johncolvin2754
@johncolvin2754 Год назад
​@@phantomwraith1984I live!!!! I'm Alpharius ha ha ha ha haaaa!!!
@YourStylesGeneric321
@YourStylesGeneric321 Год назад
​@@phantomwraith1984Alpharius and Omegon both live.
@someguy4405
@someguy4405 Год назад
We aready know that the Primarchs have special souls due to The Emperor's warp shenanigans, and that Alpharius and Omegon share a single such soul between them. My theory is that their super Primarch warp ability is to share that soul with the members of their legion too, so that they are indeed all "Alpharius" at least at times. The Emperor intended the entire legion to function literally as a single person, because there's no operational security better than only one person knowing about the operation.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
That’s an interesting theory!
@antodiyo7523
@antodiyo7523 Год назад
​@@livefromtheblacklibrary A Omega Theory 🎉🎉🎉
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
T H A N K S F O R W A T C H I N G
@updfdrakkell143
@updfdrakkell143 Год назад
I've had that same thought to. Not that he's a super primarch but he shares his soul with the legion
@maxsemeniuk3521
@maxsemeniuk3521 Год назад
That would make alot of sense and logical thing for the emorer to do/make.
@Inky_Inc
@Inky_Inc Год назад
It could really be interesting to see Alpha Legion having both loyalist and traitor rules when GW eventually puts them in the spotlight with that lore + model refresh.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
YEAH!
@chimeraelite
@chimeraelite Год назад
I'm literally waiting for this before I buy more models. Although I'm converting some Blade guard to Alpha Legion in the meantime
@doombreed52
@doombreed52 Год назад
what lore model refresh? the next one im figuring is probably DE or EC. you think they will do they other legions besides the big 4 and the black legion?
@SilentYin
@SilentYin Год назад
I mean in Heresy rules Alpha Legion characters do not have an allegiance, despite being in the Traitor book, the rest of the other Primarchs there are Traitor locked. The only things Alpha Legion have allegiance locked is one Loyalist Warlord trait, and a random pdf unit download for Skorr which he's locked to traitor
@kazmark_gl8652
@kazmark_gl8652 11 месяцев назад
Hard going to get into a new army when Alpha Legion get the Death Guard treatment. heck I'll play them if they get the Thousand Sons treatment.
@sneedfest3399
@sneedfest3399 Год назад
"John Grammaticus would never appear again" if only that were true
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
We can manifest the retconning of John Grammaticus if we all believe hard enough
@sneedfest3399
@sneedfest3399 Год назад
I hope End and the Death Part 2 ends with a big exposition about the state of Terra and the destruction caused but then cuts to a small scene of John Grammaticus getting repeatedly shanked by an anathame blade
@akumaking1
@akumaking1 Год назад
“I am Omegon!” ~An Alpha Legion member that didn’t quite get the memo
@yiusa4833
@yiusa4833 Год назад
Alpha legion are by far the most interesting legion imo. I am a firm believer of the theory that alpharius and omegon switched places publically. The original alpharius (now omegon) would never betray the emperor. I think omegon (now alpharius) did go traitor, at least at the start of the heresy. I really hope that one day alpharius will return to the setting after waking up the hiden alpha legionaries under the pallace on terra to shake the setting up a bit but realistically if it does happen we wont even know that it did.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Same, it would be so cheap if they just kill off the sleeping Alpha Legion
@parkermaisterra8532
@parkermaisterra8532 Год назад
Here's what I'm wondering though. Terra has been stated to be the most overpopulated planet in the Imperium for several millennia yet at no point has anyone discovered the giant Alpha legion army beneath the Imperial Palace?
@yiusa4833
@yiusa4833 Год назад
@@parkermaisterra8532 i mean i doubt the high lords are chomping at the bits to create public housing in the catacombs and secret tunnels under the god emperors pallace
@kccustodes2618
@kccustodes2618 Год назад
And I was in this same camp, believing that they swapped and Alpharius would be loyal. For me it was.... 1) Omegon killed by Dorn because Alpharius was trained by Malcador for decades and would not be identified by Dorn and Alpharius would know it was pointless to try and reason with Dorn. 2) It was Omegon that needed the legion to go public and get the accolades because Omegon was raised in total isolation and with no living contact on a death world. 3) Omegon never interacted with the Emperor (his dad) because the Emperor would have immediately know he was a twin, so Omegon would have no real loyalty. 4) Alpharius was the only primarch who could (and did) interact with common people. Alpharius had empathy for them. Omegon needed glory and "challenge" so in a few conquests showed off at the expense of the common people. Also, making a decision to side with Chaos and screwing over all the common people is not something I could see Alpharius doing where Omegon (raised in isolation on dead world) might be able to make the purely logical choice and not consider the human cost.... And after an interaction with Mike Brown, all this is absolutely wrong. Alpharius Leroy Jenkins into Dorn and is dead.... I was told something to the effect, "by that time Fulgrim had another set of arms and snake body, things were crazy". Like WTF does that have to do with Alpharius and Alpha Legion? Anyways, yeah....
@gigglehurtz3167
@gigglehurtz3167 Год назад
not true, we may know if GW wants to make some money
@BearCavalryWasTaken
@BearCavalryWasTaken Год назад
My favorite alpha legion group are the penitent sons, not only are they loyalist I’m pretty sure they believe in the imperial cult and they all have spikes in their helmets that constantly stab them as a form of repentance for their legions sins
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
It’s an interesting concept for sure!
@DominusNox106
@DominusNox106 Год назад
I really like the Alpha Legion. I love the fact that there are concentrations of Alpha Legion warriors just laying about in stasis waiting to get up and become a plot point. I believe you are correct about Omegon being dead as well. I believe the Personality that orchestrated the freking BLOOD GAMEs as a way of demonstrating a threat to his father would never have gotten into a maniacal bad guy speach. I believe that the "true" Alpharius is a loyalist and how cool would it be if the Alpharius in 40k helping Gregor Eisenhorn or even better.... the Yellow King. I also really enjoy your Harlequin avatar and this video earned my subscription. Well done, cousin.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
I 100% agree! I love the sneaky snake boys and I’m really excited with everything being built up for them as of late! And thank you!
@glyngreen538
@glyngreen538 Год назад
Maybe he gives the stolen genetic material from Deliverance Lost to The Yellow King to enable him to work on his winged angel space marines?
@verigone2677
@verigone2677 Год назад
Big E had 3 "First Sons"; one for Each of his primary Egos. The True First, The Lion, the Stubborn single-minded and ruthless avenger. The Real First, Alpharius, the embodiment of intelligence, intrigue, and secrecy...the closest to who Big E really is at heart. The First Son, Horus, the orchestrated first found, the Emperor exactly as he wants the universe to see him; brutal in battle but measured and intelligent in choosing engagements as well as approachable and loved. The Image the Emperor wanted is destroyed and can never again be. The True First, the Emperor's Vengeance has become tempered by time. His True self is all that is left, travelling the galaxy as Cypher of the Dark Angels with one goal, to stand before the Emperor and recite the code word Xenophon.
@AlphariusXXth
@AlphariusXXth Год назад
One more thing, the later found twin could not stand Dorn, but liked Bobby. And it was reversed for the first found. That tells me the later found is the one Dorn gave a haircut. He spent the first half of the book just stunting on Dorn
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Wait no in Head of the Hydra it’s the first found who hates Dorn I think
@AlphariusXXth
@AlphariusXXth Год назад
@Live! From The Black Library You were right that he does not trust Dorn, but he respects him. First thinks Bobby is a stick in the mud and lacks imagination. The Second thinks Dorn is an, to borrow from AD Ric, illiterate.
@AlphariusXXth
@AlphariusXXth Год назад
​@Live! From The Black Library I do think you are wrong about the two specific battles where Dorn and Bobby got mad, but otherwise, 100% on point. The mass execution of all the nobles at once reeks of the flourish of #2. And ignoring Bobby and trying to teach him the perks of infiltration and sabotage could be really either, and since it makes Bobby mad and look dumb, I say #1
@quincykunz3481
@quincykunz3481 Год назад
I'd argue that alpharius has extremely LOW narcicism... for a primarch. He accepts outside opinions and adjusts his way of thinking. He is willing to sacrifice what and whoever he needs to, but he rarely does so needlessly or out of convenience. He is not usually worried about his reputation. The one blind spot where his superior attitude really comes into play is whenever he is talking about his brothers. He is low-key jealous of the ones that get to operate in the limelight and connect with each other while he does the messy work nobody sees, and that builds up a defensive, sour-grapes attitude about his tactics and way of thinking being better than other legions that he sees as being able to afford being more careless and carefree than his. He has the responsibility of an eldest child, the relative strength of a youngest child, and commands a level of attention that even a middle child would find pathetic, so his normal modesty curdles around the topic of his siblings.
@Dunmerdog
@Dunmerdog 10 месяцев назад
Genuinely amazing psychoanalysis. This rings very, very true to me.
@yungcartel3783
@yungcartel3783 2 месяца назад
The last part about which order of child he is is perfect
@hujron
@hujron Год назад
Alpharius secretly struck a deal with the Deceiver to manipulate parts of the Legion into bringing Blackstone to the galactic core. But where is Alpharius now? Well in the novel Penitent, Eisenhorn gets a vision of the King in Yellow, and beside the King In Yellow, is a figure in blue armour. Well, blue comes in many shades. The hidden citadel of the King in Yellow has a massive amount of resources. Which Primarch is extremely skilled in recruiting and manipulating, as well as covering tracks?
@ianharrison5758
@ianharrison5758 Год назад
It would be insane if The King in Yellow actually is Constantine Valdor, and the figure in blue is “Alpharius” The characters have deep history. It was Valdor who caught Alpharius posted like Gabi from AOT ready to put the emperor in a montage. It was that encounter that lead to the creation of the blood games. They would have known of eachothers movements by necessity. Alpharius because hes the primarch of the Space marine CIA/Spec ops legion, it’s his job to know everything, and there’s not a chance Valdor wouldn’t keep his own eyes on him, since not only was his first impression a seeming assassination attempt, but it’s made very clear that Valdor does not trust the primarchs as a whole. A primarch that has some of the imperiums most sensitive secrets, informants on every level, knowledge of forbidden places, and all the resources needed to use that information for galaxy spanning affect is top of his list of potential threats. I’m not sure how well the 2 got along, but given that one of Valdors first moves when he finds out Horus betrayed them was to send elite assassin squads from the shadows, he seemed to appreciate the efficiency of doing your work in shadows. The two would be a formidable force for anyone
@benhur933
@benhur933 Год назад
Plot twist, omegon killed valdor and is the king in yellow.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
That would be wild as hell but I’d be so man I WANT GOLD DAD BACK
@NielsMulvad
@NielsMulvad 11 месяцев назад
Alpharius (or what ever) has Dorn in stasis, he rescued his brother as he was about to be killed. It makes sense to me, he is keeping the one Primarch that he dislikes in stasis until he HAS to let him out.
@ryanshaw8375
@ryanshaw8375 Год назад
Ive been a Warhammer fan for years and read dozens of books, over the years Ive thought about the verse a TON and had endless ours of internal discussion and i love this channel so much because it feels like i get to sit in on that in someone else's mind. Its both satisfying and kinda validating in a way 😆. Anyway long story short, love your content bro. Could watch this all day!
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
AH THANKS MAN! Yeah you’re exactly the kind of audience I try to appeal to!
@Reyma777
@Reyma777 Год назад
Alpharius and Omegon share one soul. I have theory, that in order for either of the twins to truly die, they both have to be killed at the same time. Otherwise the aspect of the shared Alpharius-Omegon soul simply posses an Alpha Legion Marine. The Primarch soul then mutates the marine into a new Alpharius/Omegon.
@ianharrison5758
@ianharrison5758 Год назад
That’s possible, but I’m not sure it’s more likely than the shared twin soul existing only in the living brother
@Khorne__
@Khorne__ 8 месяцев назад
@@ianharrison5758 I think that the half soul of omegon, after his dead at hands of dorn, just mixed with the soul of alpharius, making him a total primarch, with now his full powers, and controling all the legion, like he is everyone of the alpha legion, he can change bodies with anyone at any point of the galaxy
@petra4385
@petra4385 Год назад
I very much so wish for alpharius to call at least one of his traitor sons the pretentious primarch equivalent of a bitch when he comes back Jokes aside it'd be quite interesting to see valdor and the guy who started the blood games confront eachother. Maybe he'd point out that Valdor has gone mad or hijack his operation. It'd be cool to see
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
YEAH THAT WOULD SLAP
@reptowolfe8322
@reptowolfe8322 10 месяцев назад
Image the sheer intrigue where the combat is set not in a battlefield, but in infiltrating(and counter infiltrations, then counter counter infiltrations) of countless chapters. Like in the background of novels dedicated to completely unrelated topic you see hints at a loyalist infiltration to eliminate a traitor infiltration. And then this happens throughout the novels being released.
@jw7500
@jw7500 Год назад
This, this is exactly what I think, Omegon is still around somewhere. At the very least the man is renegade (third path) or is still loyal to the Emperor in some way, shape or form. Also, yes I think he's either Cypher, or that Deathrow character (I have yet to read Eisenhorn). In all likelihood, the "Alpharius" that died on Esquador, is one of the Elite first company (probably around the same stature and standing as Pech) after having drunk his Primarch's blood as you theorized.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Yeah I feel that‘s what most of us who have like REALLY gotten into the details believe
@josephweymon8020
@josephweymon8020 Год назад
YES! In both "deaths" of Alpharius it was a marine with what I like to call "The Investiture of the Three-fold Serpent." Neither Alpharius nor Omegan is dead. Now here is the kicker, what if there is a third Primarch; what if Alpharius & Omegan aren't twins, what IF Alpharius, Omegan, & Alpharius Omegan are actually TRIPLETS!? I mean, they ARE the Three-fold Serpent! Also there are three origin stories for the 20th legion's "primarch." 1) Primarch lands on Terra & is found by The Emperor. 2) Primarch lands on an unnamed, uninhabited planet amidst ruins, eventually killing pirates who stumble upon the ruins he was in. 3) Primarch lands on a world that is a techno-oligarchy (the name escapes me at the moment), & is eventually was enslaved by the Slaugth; only to later escape, rebel, & defeat his captors & begin his rag tag militia fleet that Horus finds. What if all 3 are true? Just a thought........HYDRA DOMINATUS!!!
@diegogisbertllorens7416
@diegogisbertllorens7416 Год назад
In the amazing piece of fan fiction that is Rise of Tau, Alpharius was there all along, in plain sight, disguised as...Well, I wouldn't like to spoil it for anyone, but it would be fitting even for the current 40K canon :D
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Might just need to check that out 👀
@diegogisbertllorens7416
@diegogisbertllorens7416 Год назад
@@livefromtheblacklibrary It's pretty old now, but still an amazing read!
@doombreed52
@doombreed52 Год назад
@@diegogisbertllorens7416 yeah thats a real blast from the past. i think was reading that back in 2014(?) im not 100 on when it was but yeah its one of if not the longest FF out there for 40k.
@stewartthorpe2533
@stewartthorpe2533 Год назад
HYDRA DOMINATUS!!! Maybe best Alpharius/Omegon theory video yet And thank you for clarifying thst Alpharius is Omegon and/or Alpharius and that Omegon is Alpharius and/or Omegon 😊
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
I just didn’t want there to be any confusion 🙏
@Goldenblitzer
@Goldenblitzer Год назад
This was SOO good, they must be a pain to make, and I really hope it gets rewarded with views and new subs, but I love these long form deep dives, it’s really great
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
It was rough especially since my time kept getting taken
@capsizemoonz2251
@capsizemoonz2251 Год назад
I think alpharius (omaegon) is truely dead dead and omaegon (alpharius) is very much alive
@valletas
@valletas 8 месяцев назад
I think i am alpharius
@waynegoddard4065
@waynegoddard4065 Год назад
When I look at the Forge World Alpharius and my tiny, puny nineties alpha legion tactical marines there's no way that giant model could pass as another legionnairy. It's too BIG!!!!!!!
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
DAMN YOU FORGEWORLD
@krimzonstriker7534
@krimzonstriker7534 Год назад
Also regarding Alpharius' disagreements with Guilliman it was further elaborated on in the Blood of the Emperor Anthology short story Council of Truth where Alpharius submits to an inquiry about that campaign and his reasoning for using those methods in contrast to Guilliman's. It was an interesting read and showed how long a view Alpharius/Omegon could be.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Ahh I see! I haven’t read that one yet!
@rycolligan
@rycolligan Год назад
I don’t think they got past Lion El’Johnson, I think he knew it was a Primarch in front of him, but unlike Dorne who can’t help but shout what he sees as the truth to high heaven, the Lion keeps his mouth shut because he doesn’t want Alpharius/Omegon to know he has that ability. After all, his geneseed’s psycher specialty is “Interomancy”
@death31313
@death31313 Год назад
4:30 in fairness the Twins kinda are usually the smartest ones in the room. I'd argue the dumbest thing Alpharius (or more likely Omegon) ever did was assume Rogal Dorn wouldn't sperg out and kill him, which based or Dorns previous behavior was a bad assumption to make. I mean just look how he reacted when Garro told him of the betrayal at Isstvan.
@krimzonstriker7534
@krimzonstriker7534 Год назад
To be fair to Alpharius doesn't the Emperor have a contingency for the Dark Angels to wipe out humanity if it was the only way left to destroy Chaos? 😅 And wait, doesn't John Grammaticus show up in a lot of the Siege of Terra Books? 😛
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Oh I know he does, it’s a joke because I hate him
@Niall001
@Niall001 Год назад
​@@livefromtheblacklibrary He's the best!
@Wazzen563
@Wazzen563 11 месяцев назад
Doubt it, the whole reason the Emperor does what he does is because he loves humanity.
@mikeonewman
@mikeonewman Год назад
Thanks for making top quality 40k content! Just found your channel and I love it! Your gonna get bigger if you keep this up.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
THANKS MAN! I really hope so!
@acrocurious8023
@acrocurious8023 Год назад
Wow this was a piece of work. This popped up in feed and it's great. Can you make a reading list ? I know you said it but...
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
The reading for this book was: Alpharius Head of the Hydra, Legion, The Serpent Beneath, Praetorian of Dorn, Deliverance Lost, The End and The Death Vol 1, Bequin Pariah, Bequin Penitent, Sons of the Hydra, Shroud of Night, Harrowmaster, With notes from: Luther First of the Fallen, Cypher Lord of the Fallen, and others
@vontheunknown7982
@vontheunknown7982 Год назад
Can you do a video on Blood Ravens, Marine malevolent, Crimson slaughter, Space Shark or Dawn of war lore. Later on?
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Ohhh for sure if I can get enough info!
@vontheunknown7982
@vontheunknown7982 Год назад
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Suffer 👿
@balazsvarga1823
@balazsvarga1823 Год назад
That custodes armour was a gift, the Grey Knights said it was okey, why are you locking your vault, brother?
@dancooper4443
@dancooper4443 Год назад
I'm still awestruck at how much passion and enthusiasm 40k fans like you show for the lore. I have 0 interest in the minis or painting. I just play some of the video games but mostly read books and listen to lore videos like yours.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Thanks man! It’s just such a rich world to dive into and the deep active community makes it fun to be passionate and project one’s voice!
@vicstanfieldshire7754
@vicstanfieldshire7754 Год назад
Agreed, I’m on book 17 of the HH series, have played the video games for years, but haven’t gotten into the miniature world of things. I used to paint Gundam a LOT but that was the 90s
@arnikolo2916
@arnikolo2916 Год назад
You further confuse me when you interchange Alpharius and Omegon. 😅 Is Omegon Alpharius or is Omegon Omegon?
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Yes
@KarterAurian
@KarterAurian Год назад
Always like to think there are loyalist Alpha legion chapters currently operating within the empire. Because no one knew what they were up to. So they took the second founding to seed some of their own.
@Ratman36
@Ratman36 Год назад
In the end both we're just a bunch of skaven in the suits yes-yes
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
I believe this now
@jamesthelamenter5464
@jamesthelamenter5464 Год назад
I do like the idea that the alpha legion are so damn complex that even it's hard to tell what they are about even with years of lore to go on... I can see why they could be frustrating but also lovable as well.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
It’s what makes them unique!
@ianharrison5758
@ianharrison5758 Год назад
The alpha legion are deadass a lore milestone. You have to have a pretty broad understanding of the lore to fully understand what’s happening in regards to the alpha legion, and trying to figure out the primarchs is a true scholarly practice
@lurkingedge
@lurkingedge Год назад
All the lore videos I've watched and it took you to help me get it straight. Alpharius was the first, never lost, the sneakier. He passed his name to his brother when he was found, and he, with his bolder personality, xenos spear and gorgeous plate, became the face of the legion, its Primarch, Alpharius. Because "Presentation!" And Alpharius became Omegon. Then Alpharius played stupid games with a Primarch who doesn't play games, and Alpharius, who became Omegon, was Alpharius again. So they were and are both Alpharius. The Terra raised and still alive Alpharius was also Omegon.
@updfdrakkell143
@updfdrakkell143 Год назад
ok... i had a odd thought... could Big E have used part of the Deceiver to make the twins? That shard tricking Alpha legion gave me that lil thought What if he had that grey armor because (starting wise) he fought as a grey shield
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Oh damn 👀
@watchonjar
@watchonjar Год назад
You have this the otherwsy round alpharius is the arrogant one bc he was found first, he eas tasked and trainrd by malacdor to hide from his brothers and do all these covert ops and he led his legion for so long. Omegon had no where near as many accomplishments which is why he was never as arrogant.
@JohnDoe-rp7mf
@JohnDoe-rp7mf 10 месяцев назад
I enjoy the long discussions. I like hearing about all the interconnected stuff within 1 video. Like if I have to switch between 3 lore videos to understand something, it’s just too much. A nice breakdown over a good period of time is the perfect way to absorb the information.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary 10 месяцев назад
Yeah true!
@wellhungindung
@wellhungindung Год назад
So what about the marines (future Dark Angels?) that were involved in the Thunder warrior cull? They obviously knew about it.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Those were likely the Alpha Legion in disguise apparently
@danmorris5498
@danmorris5498 Год назад
Or they were mind wiped which is what happened to Horus and the planet of moloch
@wellhungindung
@wellhungindung Год назад
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Perhaps, I'm mainly going off what was said in the Valdor novel and I don't recall that.
@wellhungindung
@wellhungindung Год назад
@@danmorris5498 I haven't seen any evidence of that, maybe its just sloppy writing/lore.
@danmorris5498
@danmorris5498 Год назад
@@wellhungindung wait evidence of which point that Horus was mind wiped or that the dark angels were.
@ariels3372
@ariels3372 Год назад
ALSO I THINK HIS POWER IS HE CAN MASK FROM HIS BROTHERS HE DID THIS BECUSE BECUSE THE FIRST THING THE EMPORER TOLD HIM STAY HIDING I THINK HE COULD STAND NEXT TO ANY ONE OF THEM THAY WOULD NOT NO IT I THINK TO THE POINT WERE HE CAN SHAP SHIFT
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
YEAH that’s one of two powers! He can’t shape shift exactly but he can make people see what he wants them to see to an extent
@snowgodlordofchimps345
@snowgodlordofchimps345 Год назад
Omegle
@ariels3372
@ariels3372 Год назад
COOL this is my favorite story i agree with you bout 99 percent i also he has to be cypher it would be now stupid if it wasent also think about it the dark angeks where first legion he had time to sneak around them respect them in a weird way on secrets
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
That’s a good point, that’s why a lot of people do believe Cypher is Omegon despite the whole Zahariel vs Corswain thing being set up
@pimvandergeer7179
@pimvandergeer7179 Год назад
All the primaris are actually Alpha Legion. The surviving primarch has been collectief gene-seed from all the legions and worked with cawl to 'be the Sword in the druk, and protect what was buikt' ❤
@JordanAndTrazyn
@JordanAndTrazyn Год назад
Ghazghkull is actually Omegon and three grots in a trench coat.
@lokiopensloloc5680
@lokiopensloloc5680 Год назад
What if the ability to pass as a primarch TO OTHER PRIMARCHS is an ability that Alpharius bestows upon his legionary imposters?
@dshafterh3897
@dshafterh3897 Год назад
Did you say the Alpha Legion used hypnotoading? I always new that Futurama was part of the 40k universe but no one believed me, theory confirmed.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
I didn’t say that but now I wish I did XD
@simonsundberg
@simonsundberg Год назад
I'm sorry but at 8:00 you talk about John Grammaticus and you say he only appeared in Legion, I think he is in like 10 books. He put the mine collar on Pech, I believe. Great vid btw! Hydra dominatus!!
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Oh that was a joke about how much I hate John Grammaticus lol
@simonsundberg
@simonsundberg Год назад
​@livefromtheblacklibrary Sorry that flew over my head😅 my bad😊
@jakubreliga2549
@jakubreliga2549 Год назад
1 hour long ? Damn didnt knew there is so much to talk about Omegon
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
I may have gone a little overboard…
@jakubreliga2549
@jakubreliga2549 Год назад
@@livefromtheblacklibrary the video doesnt seem to get boring so good job.
@johnrad9512
@johnrad9512 10 месяцев назад
I like the idea that “Omegon” is the primarch who was found first and “Alpharius” is the one who was found last. “Alpharius” is the name used both for identifying the primarch of the legion and for what the “Alpha Legion” is named after. It all seems very obvious and kinda demanding of attention, which fits for the second primarch’s description. “Omegon” is the name nobody knows and as such it allows that person to remain far more hidden in the background. Something that the primarch who was found first was shown to do and value as not being noticed or known opens up opportunities.
@mattjianquitlong9965
@mattjianquitlong9965 10 месяцев назад
I got confused by the end of the video, so if someone can please clarify, alpharius (the first one found) is still alive and omegon (the last one found) is dead, so why does he still refer to omegon being alive, did I miss something?
@tru8637
@tru8637 10 месяцев назад
Basically, at the battle of pluto. The omegon (second found) switched identity with the first found alpharius. This meant that once the death of the “switched alpharius” happened, the original alpharius, now omegon, is the only one left. Thus he refers to the original alpharius as omegon in stories and stuff that happened after the battle of pluto.
@zgmfx-09a
@zgmfx-09a Год назад
This video was (not) written by someone who doesn't know what the method to their channel is
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
He can’t keep getting away with it 😔
@overhauled7918
@overhauled7918 Год назад
Love Alpha Legion Lore!
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
SAME, I have to do my part
@overhauled7918
@overhauled7918 Год назад
@@livefromtheblacklibrary Keep it up man, I look forward to your videos especially those with Alpha Legion Hijinks
@headshotchase7128
@headshotchase7128 5 месяцев назад
Im still relatively new Warhammer (Four months of lore watching) and omegon is my favorite primarch ( tied with Angron for the soul reason of what he could have been without the Butchers nails) and this was exactly what i needed to learn more about the alpha legion. Thank you so much for this 🙏🙏🙏
@KarbinCry
@KarbinCry 10 месяцев назад
Isnt it obvious that Alphagon/Omerius is currently impersonating the Norn-Queen of Hive Fleet Hydra? After all - Hydra dominatus!
@Grubnar
@Grubnar Год назад
How did "Alpharius" die? Dorn cut off his hands, and then killed him! How did Dorn die? Someone cut off his hands, and then (most likely) killed him! Hmm... 🤔
@involuntarilychad4048
@involuntarilychad4048 Год назад
My theory is that Alpharius and Omegon are secretly the two highest ranks of the Alpha Legion and not actual primarchs, with the primarch lore being a mythology to mask the truth. Hence why the Alpha legionaries are almost indistinguishable to their supposed primarchs and the use of Hydra symbology. Cut off the head of the Hydra and another grows to replace it. Kill the true Alpharius or the true Omegon, and another seemingly identical Space Marine will emerge to replace him. Alpharius and Omegon will thus be rendered immortal
@breakdown3317
@breakdown3317 Год назад
Hear me out here: Have we ever seen alpharius and the emperor in the same room after the end of the heresy?
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
HOLD UP 👀
@davidthomas2870
@davidthomas2870 11 месяцев назад
Of all the primarchs, I actually want Omegon to NOT openly come back. I'd rather him become noticed moving in the shadows, manipulating things from behind the scenes, having honed his ability to have his legionaries assume his memories into that AND they actually believe they are him, and having distributed a lot his blood to many different alpha legion cells and warbands, making it clear that he's our there somewhere but is functionally able to be everywhere and nowhere at once. Idealy I'd also like this to correspond to Alpharius coming back as a warp entity that can possess alpha legionaries in a similar way, with the implication being that both are back, active, but can pull stunts similar to angron where they show up, die, and then are back somewhere else with a hand wave of "oops, that was a doppelganger/he was just banished and possessed another marine because he snuck his way back into reality" so they never really die. This would also help Angron's story a bit because then there is someone else who can Job to the heroes sometimes when they need someone to Worf for the big new threatening guy.
@matiashofmann6010
@matiashofmann6010 Год назад
Man you haven't read the books and because of that you are wrong in a couple of stuff. John grammaticus is one of the important characters in the siege of terra. To the point he's like a wildcard . Those legionaries are activated (and grammaticus plays a role there as well). It's almost a given John and alanius will play a role in the final battle. Some people even theorize that the alive twin is among those alpha legionaries that are with John grammaticus. Not trying to be salty, but probably you can see that because of that, half the video becomes about stuff that are out of question. The format is nice man. Maybe double check for the next time
@TechPriestLovesToasters
@TechPriestLovesToasters Год назад
Who's who? Simple, I'm Alpharius. Also, could drinking too much of his blood drive a marine crazy?
@momsaid
@momsaid Год назад
No what he says is because he was Omegon and he now was the only one so was Alpharius. The other primarchs didn't know Oregon existed!!! The lie becomes the reality. You are correct it is the first one but the first one is actually Omegon
@Vipernash
@Vipernash 11 месяцев назад
Great Discussion!!! I honestly believe Alpharius is alive. He can move way better if everyone thinks he is dead.
@thththtemp
@thththtemp 11 месяцев назад
Everyone knows Loyalist Alpha Legion is cringe af, only good way to play them now is campy Dawn of War Alpha Legion
@benhur933
@benhur933 Год назад
Apparently every primarch can beat a primarch except guilliman, point on the doll where matt ward touched you.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Oh he could beat Omegon in a straight fight for sure but Omegon isn’t gonna give him one is he
@benhur933
@benhur933 Год назад
It just is upsetting that everyone shits on guilliman yet he is the one who held the empire together while every other primarch dorn included had a petty party and did their own thing, and I have a hard ti.e believing that anyone could handily beat valdor, I believe valdor let any primarch win to save face for the primarchs. The emperor literally moved mountains to get valdor. Alpharius isn't as important as a primarch as any other.
@sean-zl6dy
@sean-zl6dy Год назад
excellent video and analysis. however, my counterpoint: I’m still mad about the raven guard gene seed😡
@sodinc
@sodinc Год назад
I completely disagree with one thing in this video - calling the first found primarch "Omegon".
@seanjones5682
@seanjones5682 Год назад
Omegon is really the "King in Yellow". How else would you explain the theft of that primarch genetic material and the army that the king is building in the Bequin books?
@47RoninGaming
@47RoninGaming Год назад
Alpharius who was really omegon died which led omegon who was really alpharius to change his name from omegon to alpharius in memory of alpharius who is really omegon.
@andresperedo1275
@andresperedo1275 Год назад
Why you said that John Grammaticus never appears in a book again? He appears plenty in other novels of the Heresy and particularly during the Siege
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
I know, it’s part of a long running joke about how I hate him so much in every book after Legion and wish he was gone
@andresperedo1275
@andresperedo1275 Год назад
@@livefromtheblacklibrary So I do not know more than you on that topic? Ohhh :(
@Balevolt
@Balevolt 6 месяцев назад
I agree with your theory on their personality differences. It's pretty obvious in Legion
@Raygun9000
@Raygun9000 Год назад
Alpharius is clearly posing as Commander Farsight! 😉
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
EXACTLY
@mrbreck1
@mrbreck1 Год назад
The whole grey suit of armor seemed to set up a split of the alpha legion. An alpha legion and an omega legion but who is loyal? We are omegon vs we are alpharius.
@levimaccabeeus1235
@levimaccabeeus1235 Год назад
First
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Based first commenter
@maxsemeniuk3521
@maxsemeniuk3521 Год назад
Imagine during the final battle against chaos everyone is thier fighting for the fate of the galaxy new,old alive and dead and one of the chaos gods basically suffers from a chest burster to reveal the alive twin screaming i am the sword in the dark and kills or severly wounds or something the other chaos gods.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
PFFFFFTTT HOLY SHIT XD
@thesmashingbadger4644
@thesmashingbadger4644 Год назад
"And John Grimmaticus would go on to never appear in another book again" Your honeyed words disguise a bitter truth, xenos...
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
We must manifest GW into retconning Johnny Graham-Cracker
@garrhetsampson
@garrhetsampson Год назад
He’s CYPHER and NO ONE can tell me otherwise. 😆
@KitBrickproductions
@KitBrickproductions 17 дней назад
I am alpharius
@jimboonlyone
@jimboonlyone Год назад
Worthy of a subscribe.
@hertogvandamme
@hertogvandamme Год назад
I need a Sisters of Battle video in the coming weeks for Trivia night.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
If only GW would give them some love 🥲
@MrMrrome
@MrMrrome Год назад
I love the "space ghost coast to coast" set style. I think it's a good vibe for the channel.
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
I use that for the longer videos!
@AhzekBile
@AhzekBile Год назад
I haven't read any of the Alpha Legion books, so this was nice for me. In general only the Imperium factions that are known get coverage, so it makes for a nice change.
@pertys_socks
@pertys_socks Год назад
In the Board is Set, the Emperor did pull out 4 hydra cards. So I'm sure parts of the Alpha Legion are loyalist
@EdgarStyles1234
@EdgarStyles1234 Год назад
They are loyalist, just many of their Marines don't know it
@Instar_nine
@Instar_nine Год назад
Also regarding 40k lore It's a mess with the Alpha Legion and the new books there struggle with the Alpha Legions history is evident as the heresy becomes complete the black library authors suddenly have to write what happened to them for 10k years Basically gw stuffed up here and the writing and explanations are terrible Given the current quality of writing I don't have much faith in bl. Hoping Dan Abnetts Bequin series and pandamonuum 3rd book with Al involved sheds more clear light on things
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Yeah that’s the problem with so many authors, Dan Abnett and Mike Brooks both seem to have different visions for what the Alpha Legion should be
@marcwittkowski5146
@marcwittkowski5146 Год назад
Not sure if you claiming John Grammaticus never appeared in another book was a joke hinting at your disapproval, or if you just haven't read the novels in which he appears after "Legion".
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Oh I’ve read know no fear and the Siege of Terra, it’s a joke about how I hate him in everything after Legion
@TheKoistar
@TheKoistar Год назад
As someone who doesn't have a whole lot of time to read the books, I really appreciated the thorough amount of research that went into this. I think you explained yourself and every perspective and theory with the finesse of a true academic. I personally am a fan of the theory that the first-found, quiet Omegon is either disguised as Cypher or Deathrow. Or, if his power has grown at all since his later-found twin died, perhaps he has more advanced abilities to blend in? For example, being able to appear as a normal human, or even the opposite gender, with or without hair, of different skin colors, etc... Kind of like how the Emperor would often disguise himself to infiltrate human society, or upon his first meetings with some primarchs, like Vulkan or Leman Russ. The options for who Omegon could be would open up even wider.
@HAL-cp4mt
@HAL-cp4mt 3 месяца назад
I completely agree with this analysis.
@Niall001
@Niall001 Год назад
Like the "Pandemonium" shout out!
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
GET HYPE GET HYPE GET HYPE
@MandoSki464
@MandoSki464 Год назад
Alpharius the first found twin is my choice for loyalist but also still out in the galaxy. His primarch book had me instantly latching on to him because he’s just so much more than I expected honestly. I expected pure unadulterated arrogance which he is arrogant but not in a way that makes me dislike him like I do fulgrim. Plus how he handled those baseline humans when looking for his twin sold me on the dude definitely not drinking the chaos kool-aid. Plus I doubt malcodor spent so many years teaching, mentoring, and just being I guess a father like figure to him, just for Alpharius to think Horus’s “quest” was what was right for the imperium or humanity.
@gringolikeme3564
@gringolikeme3564 Год назад
"The first alpharius was present for the introduction of horus to the legions the palace coup." Also "Alpharius wouldn't know about the palace coup or the culling of the thunder warriors no one did" what 2:47
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
What I meant was if the whole book Alpharius head of the Hydra was a lie, then how could Alpharius know about the palace coup of the culling of the thunder warriors? Therefore we can deduce that the book is mostly true and Alpharius was in fact there for those things
@gringolikeme3564
@gringolikeme3564 Год назад
​@@livefromtheblacklibrary thank you I am retarded
@emperorxander666
@emperorxander666 Год назад
i think the author of the book said Alpharius is dead
@robjones9128
@robjones9128 Год назад
My head cannon has always been cypher is omegan.
@TjBojanglez
@TjBojanglez Год назад
Would love a true Alpha legion vs Alpha legion development
@TheSmaaaak
@TheSmaaaak Год назад
impressive video! nice to see everything put together for a change rather than people just focusing on one little aspect of this. I like the path they seem to have chosen for alpharius omegon. I like the arc that he’s the hero no one will ever know about no matter how much you want the loyalists to find out, it’s the little storylines like this why I love the grimdark.
@TallDarknGruesome
@TallDarknGruesome Год назад
You say you have a 50% chance of being correct. But it's actually 1/3rd. The person fighting Dorn could be Alpharius, Omegeon or a random legionaire overwritten with the primarch's personality and handed the pale spear. Alpha legion troops were larger than normal space marines and the primarchs were smaller and could appear normal size if they wanted to. The entire point of the book was "I am Alpharius, this is a lie."
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
Thing is I don’t think a fake Alpharius dying would elicit that kind of reaction from the twin or have that flash of light and rush of spirit energy when they died
@TallDarknGruesome
@TallDarknGruesome Год назад
@@livefromtheblacklibrary consider this though, Alpharius was able to blow through the astartes gaurd and prove the weaknesses of the capital's defenses. Omegon meanwhile was a survivor who lived alone deep in xenos space during the Rangdan xenocides. Whomever fought Dorn just got bodied, and whispered something to him at the end that infuriated him. Something like "actually I'm nobody. " the effect described is weird, but the whole ability of Alpharius to become one of his astartes or make one of them act as him is why the 22nd legion is the hydra. There is no head, they are all Alpharius, none of them are Alpharius.
@alanmunilla7196
@alanmunilla7196 9 месяцев назад
Whenever I think my life is getting too complicated I lookup Alpha Legion lore, I say to myself "It's not really all that bad, I could be Alpharius".
@valletas
@valletas 8 месяцев назад
But you are alpharius
@zakinnamis5577
@zakinnamis5577 7 месяцев назад
⁠@@valletasno, he’s Alpharius
@danielsmith2249
@danielsmith2249 Год назад
John Grammaticus features quite prominently in EatDI
@livefromtheblacklibrary
@livefromtheblacklibrary Год назад
It’s a joke about how much I hate him
@HighKingRoku
@HighKingRoku Год назад
Okay so I wanna make a few points that I'm not 100 percent sure you mentioned since I was busy doing a few things while listening. 1st in the Primarch book for Alpharius/Omegon it's mentioned that there was only ever supposed to be the One and not the Other, which leads to the whole "One Soul two Bodies" (I think you did mention it off hand, but I don't think you fully get the meaning behind it.) Now one of them did "die" to Dorn in that palace, however that was a planned death by both Alpharius and Omegon. Why? Simply put, the two were never ment to be two, they were ment to be one. That's why die is in quotation marks, because when the one died, the other became whole. Now onto WHO could be Alpharius Omegon? Well you pointed out the Gray Armor which yes could mean he's masquerading as a Gray Knight (fairly likely all things considered, but not my theory), could he be say an important character in another Chapter? You mentioned Kaldor Drago of the Custodes (point of note, the spear in which he uses is based off of their own spears, remember the one he killed and took the weapon of? He said it just felt right. However I must say that I do not see that being his current form.) You mentioned Deathrow, a character that introduces himself as Alpharius who is supposedly a feral space marine (no this one is also unlikely, though that does not mean he doesn't still work for Alpharius Omegon.) You also mentioned Cypher who uses a mastercrafted bolter (I will say this is promising and all, but again no I do not believe this to be Alpharius though I'm sure he's working with him) So who could he be, who could Alpharius Omegon be masquerading around as in the 40k setting? The answer is simple. He is no one. He has planted all of these seeds across the galaxy (both halves) and has gone so far as to bring Kaldor Drago into the fold (How else do you think he went missing?) in order to protect the Imperium better. He is working behind the scenes to bring his brothers back into the fold along side Drago. You may ask yourself what has he done so far? Well I believe it's because of him that Roboute and The Lion are back, slowly we are building up to the culmination of what the 3rd path is and this may surprise you, but what if I told you that he may also be working to bring back 2 canonically dead Primarchs? Two cards that were swept of the table long ago. This is my record. And all records are lies. Hydra Dominatus brothers.
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