The Fight Fire w/Fire Timing Mystery SOLVED! 

Around 0:22-0:23 theres a weird glitch that happens while you're talking

Have you ever tried to know and resolve the timing for battery????!!!! Its even more confusing and complex than fight fire for fire! HEEELPPPPPPP

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Hello! A little question - that second riff played at for example 2:43 is not correct. Or was that intensional? LIke a variation?

There is no timing mystery here imo. This is downbeat, always was. It changes for up beat for a moment but mostly down. Listen to all the crash accents and play it on drums. Secondly, please ask James :) I am sure he will tell you the same :)

James is Metallica's best drummer

Actually I think Lars is just playing along James who is making the beat.. ;-D The guitar even starts before the drums.

and where has this saying been said before?

Yup, James said something like: "I'm a frustrated drummer and Lars is a frustrated guitar player". So they switched roles with James being that fast metronome and Lars going a bit all over the place. I love it that way

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THis song is originally in e tho

@@megaloblabber2948 Correct. Which is the key he's playing it in. Most metal channels tune down regardless.

It's all because people want to make it sound more modern sounding. Most guitar players think e standard is outdated. I don't think like that but most do.

@@patrickshannon4516 metallica themselves play it a half step down

You play guitar??? Lol funny seeing you hear too

I always thought Lars was playing off time cause you know, Lars.

Hahaha I love that comment. I thought the same.

This channel and Ben are one of the greatest in YT right now! I watch both on a regular basis to learn and practice

Same here!! Thanks for explaining it

What riff exactly are u talking about?

I would guess you're taking about the main riff. I hear it fine and it makes sense in my head but if I tried to count or play it it would all fall apart

Yep, battery is another one. If you get the tab for it and play it without the original drum track it suddenly makes sense. The first seven notes are a gallop rhythm and then the first power chord is on the off beat.

It's a really fun riff when you get it! (No means to brag but. . . Uhh:. . I got it on my first try. ..) dududu-dududu-diidiidu-dududu-dududuu-diidiiduudi edit: dududu-dudududduu-diidiiduudi

@@raxim42 Yea it's a bitch to try to figure out. I just played along with the battery guitar track until I hit most of the notes, and then tried to make sense of it for weeks then I got to the verse x)

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Damage Inc also

Yea i realized it on blackened too and now i see i wasnt crazy

elguitarTom Yeah I realized that on Blackened, I’ll play the riff with the song and I always get off beat.

also on battery

Well... the tempo (speed) is the same no matter what. Maybe you meant the meter or the rhythmic pattern?

With Blackened that’s because it’s in 7/8 so it’s slightly different but yeah Battery and even more so, Damage Inc. I’m seeing/hearing it quite a lot

Funny how it's all of the opening songs to their classic albums

I changed my mind. Meshuggah has far more mysteries. I had to struggle alot to "unhear" their old songs once I understood their music better.

See... it's the opposite for me... I always kind of heard Fight Fire With Fire inside out with the guitar accent and the vocal sounding like it's on the down beat as opposed to the up beat like it really is. And I think it sounds better that way. It sounds weird when I think of it as the up beat. Frayed Ends, on the other hand, never messed with me. That bridge section always sounded so straight forward to me... and everyone always talks about that riff being so awkward and complicated but I find it too be one of their easiest and grooviest riffs.

I strongly doubt it's intentional unconventionality on Lars' part - more likely he couldn't figure out how the F it's supposed to sound and James got tired of trying to get him to hear/play it right, so they compromised and just let Lars do something he could do that sounded "close enough".

I really doubt most people hear it the "right way". I think when you're a guitar player, you focus most on the guitar riffs and then you probably hear it the "right way" easier. For the casual listener, or listening the song as a whole, it's pretty hard to hear it that way. I think this has everything to do with the start of the song. When the clean intro ends and the guitars swell until the first cymbal crash, the first part of the riff gets a little drowned in the total mix when that crash, kick, bass and second guitar hit on that accent. To me, that immediately puts you on the wrong foot. After that, you get the 'dum... dum... dumdumdum' accents two times before the beat starts. But the second time, instead of doing a crash and kick on the last 'dum', Ulrich does a crash and snare. This gives the idea that that is the point where the beat starts on 1. The snare is also ultraloud, and the kick is a lot less audible. After many years of hearing the song that way and thinking that is right, it's almost impossible to unhear it that way. I try to hear the song the right way, but at full speed I just can't do it. It's harder for me to hear it the right way than the wrong way. At 75% speed I can do it, but at normal speed I get lost straight away, no matter how hard I try. I know it's 'wrong', I know how it should be, but I simply can't unhear it unless I try really, really hard.

I see that he does alternate picking in the intro... Does Metallica actually play it this way or do they down pick ?

a lot of Metallica's 80s stuff has this on-beat drumming, check again.

@@AyedRU-vid but I think that's just Lars' style. People like to overcomplicate his drumming, and that's not to sayit's simple, but he just plays what he feels is right, and since he has such a strange style, it makes it sound like its forced

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Yeah I always perceived there was something weird about that song 😄

BRG I’m the same on this riff, its the following riff that always stumped me...

Me too. I'm a drummer, and until I read the tab, I always thought the snare was on the first count. Now I know how it's supposed to be, but I can never hear it like. I always catch it up in the pre chorus, but as soon as the verse starts again, I'm hearing it 'wrong'. But when you look at the live performance, it doesn't look or sound like Ulrich is playing a polka with the kick on 1,2,3,4, even if you slow it down. I am wondering how they have meant the song to sound themselves.

Is it weird i've always heard Blackened both ways? Even before i knew what beats and off beats even were i noticed there were 2 versions of the main riff i heard in my head and i wasn't sure wich was the correct one (or if they sounded different at all) now that i learned that stuff i can tell one of them was the "correct" one and in the other one i was hearing it on the off beat, and i can even consciously switch between both while listening to the song, i can't hear Battery with the snare on the downbeats even if i try tho

@@Wind-nj5xz Same here, I can still hear Blackened both ways, but in Battery it seems impossible to do that hahaha

Vinicius Leão de Almeida that parts messed up too lol

Good to see you sticking up for Testament as always. I find some of their rhythms very confusing too.

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