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The final days of working steam in South Africa - SAPPI SAICCOR 

Wayne Nauschutz
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After receiving the very good news that Sappi's diesel replacement was delayed and steam would continue for yet another week. Stoomman and I quickly put together a last minute emergency trip to KZN.
We arrived in Durban early on Friday morning and were immediately met by some very bad news.... Saiccor No 2 had failed during the night and we knew that No 3 was out of service.
Stoomman and myself continued our journey stopping at depots and other places of interest, meanwhile hoping that No 2 would be quickly repaired and maybe operational by the time we got to Umkomaas.
We arrived at Umkomaas and setup our camera gear on the now somewhat famous quarry corner. It wasn't long until a car stopped alongside and we were befriended by John Steam. John has fired and driven on various narrow gauge lines including the 'removed' railway and has been a steam driver at Sappi for five years. His shift had just ended and like always some interesting railway talk in sued. Unfortunately he also came barring very bad news ... the prognosis on the locomotives weren't looking good and at this point it didn't seem like they'd be lit up before Monday morning.
The trip at this point was a complete disaster! The gravity of which only really sunk in when a Funkey shunter came waddling around the bend...
John was kind enough to offer us accommodation for the duration of our stay and naturally Stoomman and I insisted on providing all the food. We met up with Jake and John at a small local restaurant called Crows Nest for some railway banter and a bite to eat. Naturally a few good laughs were had at our expense ... we had at this point travelled 2500km to photograph a funkey after all! A joke that only the true railway enthusiast would appreciate.
We had however, made some good friends with a common interest so we certainly weren't any poorer for our efforts. At this point all parties were pretty tired so we decided to call it day. I for one had found the flight and driving a strange rental car in unfamiliar city mentally tiring and the following day was bound to be a very long one.
Stoomman and I arrived at the plant bright and early the following morning and were met by Joe the plants mechanical foreman. After all the formalities like safety and guest permits, we made our way to the locomotive workshop. Surprisingly there were a lot of people working on both locomotives simultaneously...
All the repairs on SAICCOR 3 were done and the apprentices were busy painting the smokebox. While No 2 still required some attention , but the fitter on shift said it wouldn't take much longer and then they could do a hydraulic test just to make sure all was sound. We had a great time photographing the repairs a unique opportunity in itself as this was most likely the last time they'd be worked on.
We took tea break in the loco crew tearoom where we got offered coffee and had a moment to debate what would be our next course of action.
Then, finally ... what we had been waiting for! They had decided to light up SAICCOR 3. I can't speak for Stoomman , but I could have done a back flip I was so happy! Relieved for that matter. This wouldn't allow us many opportunities for line side photography , but at least we would get something.
The light up seemed pretty familiar and it was rather funny as these guys had the same complaints and concerns that I've heard so many times in Cape Town. One of which being the coal and in their defence it was horrible looking stuff. The decision was quickly made to not struggle with poor coal and to rather load some more. This lead to another great once off opportunity as now a shunt was needed.
SAICCOR 2 would have to be moved to another line so No 3 could be removed from the shed and then placed at coaling ramp. No 2 would have to go into the shed where the locomotive would be out of the way and the final repairs could be done. The shunt went off without a hitch giving us ample opportunity to photograph the locomotives coupled together.
We had spent all day there without eating or drinking anything apart from the one cup of coffee we had , but with so much going on we didn't really notice. It was , however , time to call it a day once again. Just like I had predicted it turned out to be along day , but we did manage to capture some decent material making it all worthwhile.
The following morning our expedition lead us back to the factory for some shots of the locomotive on the ashpit. Time was of the essence so quickly we set off to get our gear setup at quarry bend.
The next few hours were spent trans versing the one kilometer line between the factory and the Umkomaas exchange yard. Some interesting driving took place and yes, there was a little yelling , but a good time it certainly was....
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@PotgieterWoodturning
@PotgieterWoodturning Месяц назад
My late Father was a Steam Driver and was working for SAICCOR driving their engines from 2005 until he passed away in December 2010. Sad to have seen this ending and the Diesels taking over. I myself is working for Metrorail here in Durban as a Yard Master. Great video and thank you as this brought back very fond memories of my Dad.
@ZalMoxis
@ZalMoxis 4 года назад
Good to see all the blokes still loved tending their charges right to the end...
@StaxRail
@StaxRail 4 года назад
Good news guys- from what i have heard one of these 19Ds is going to a museum in Glasgow, the city it was built in. I am not sure of any plans to display it, but at least it is being preserved
@fx6r
@fx6r 4 года назад
WELL THAT IS GOOD NEWS I LOVE STEAM ENGINES
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Plan is Darlington.
@hawkinh
@hawkinh 6 лет назад
Wayne, watching this video still brings tears to my eyes....This was one of the best experiences anybody could ever ask for.
@somahira52022
@somahira52022 Год назад
ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e7CQ7YSNc8c.html
@tedpolet5431
@tedpolet5431 5 лет назад
Poor old things - I was surprised to see 19Ds still in use that recently. Even though their bearings rattled, their exhaust still sounded healthy enough. They brought back old memories of the 1970s, thanks for your video.
@subhranshuganguly9150
@subhranshuganguly9150 4 года назад
Reminds me of 1995 in India when all steam locos were scrapped.
@spearn0x
@spearn0x 2 года назад
I’m sad that there’s gonna retire
@spearn0x
@spearn0x 2 года назад
What’s gonna happen to them
@susanberning7340
@susanberning7340 6 месяцев назад
Nice to see Steam get going look like old days ❤❤
@bonganimiya1310
@bonganimiya1310 5 лет назад
Farewell - a locomotive sound to be missed forever.
@GarrattHamster
@GarrattHamster 8 лет назад
A real shame. Thank you very much for sharing with use.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 7 лет назад
Thank you
@michaelvenediger
@michaelvenediger 6 лет назад
Thank you so much for posting this! I worked at SAICCOR between 2008 and 2010. Locos were my favorite.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Thanks for watching.
@TrainLordJC
@TrainLordJC 7 лет назад
Excellent quality video. Thank you for posting. Very enjoyable.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 7 лет назад
Thank you
@ADMIRALSCORNER
@ADMIRALSCORNER 7 лет назад
It is great that you managed to record this for posterity! Thank you!
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Pleasure, thanks for watching.
@bharathsekar5693
@bharathsekar5693 4 года назад
Steam locomotives are like our grand father and grand mother. Never leave our memory .
@groggers
@groggers 4 года назад
Wonderful video and documentation of history. Without people like yourself history would be forgotten, and future generations would never be able to enjoy the wonders of the past.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Thanks for the cool comment Greg.
@sydneymartin6941
@sydneymartin6941 2 года назад
Hi just 2 let u know i am from east london south africa how i miss those trains
@lowtech5530
@lowtech5530 4 года назад
These old locomotives are like old engines that were used in the oilfields. If you operated one long enough it would talk to and let you know when something was wrong. Doesn't matter if they all looked and built just alike they each had their own characteristics. These things were alive as we are today. It's sad to see them put to rest.
@allanchapman6250
@allanchapman6250 4 года назад
I’m a fireman of the late 60s and early 70s Australia for NSWGR ,the coal your using doesn’t look too good. But all the best have fun.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Yeah, it was pretty terrible. Basically sand with essence of coal. Thanks for watching.
@kishoredoodnath31
@kishoredoodnath31 4 года назад
I was lucky as a kid to ride on trains pulled by steam engines in the late, 1960s and early 1970s before they disappeared forever. They were well maintained - shiny with no rust or faded paint. The stations were also immaculate and trains ran on time. I really admire the guys who keep these old juggernauts going.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Sadly all gone now. Thanks for watching.
@inkyscrolls5193
@inkyscrolls5193 5 лет назад
As a fireman and guard myself, this makes for fascinating viewing. Interesting to see the use of British-style buckeyes, and both Westinghouse air and British-style vacuum brakes. The quality of that coal looks and sounds appalling! The use of a pressure washer to clean the loco seems worth remembering - it's certainly a lot quicker than a turtle-wax rag!
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Yeah, the coal was like black sand. Thanks for watching.
@russellfitzpatrick503
@russellfitzpatrick503 3 года назад
I hope she does. A magnificent brred of locos - remember seeing them during the 60s in Cape Tonw and environs. Quite classic machines that deserve to be preserved.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Agree. Thanks for watching.
@christopherdibble5872
@christopherdibble5872 Год назад
The engineers don't wave from the trains anymore, not like they did in 1954. I still get a tear in my eye when I hear an old train in the night.
@omepeet2006
@omepeet2006 5 лет назад
Awesome footage mate! Baie dankie for sharing.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Pleasure. Thanks for watching.
@hntrains2
@hntrains2 4 года назад
Great story, great film to illustrate the feelings. I hope they are all in museums now!
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Two scrapped, one in storage.
@kentyeti5272
@kentyeti5272 6 лет назад
Amazing to see that. Shows how out of touch I have got from the SA steam scene to not know a couple of 19Ds had still been in industrial use so far into the 21st Century. Superb filming.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Thanks for watching.
@tylergreen4843
@tylergreen4843 3 года назад
At least we still a more 19d locomotives around. as an American, these might be my only favorite steam locomotives of Africa, the 19d class are very fine engines, especially when they're clean and shiny!
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Agree. Many British engineer's at the time thought so too. Thanks for watching.
@Isochest
@Isochest 7 лет назад
You got great cooperation from all those involved with traction from this MPD They must all have been sad to see steam locos drop off their rosters.
@jamesm6638
@jamesm6638 4 года назад
@@StaxRail He just has no respect for history, just let him and his little brain rot alone, attention is what he wants.
@b3j8
@b3j8 5 лет назад
Great video! Sure wish we here in the States would've had high quality cameras like this when steam was still in daily svc!
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Many of my older counterparts say the same thing. Thanks for watching.
@Peter-bg1ku
@Peter-bg1ku 3 года назад
Coal coming off a shovel is oddly satisfying. Or perhaps it's the worker's acuity with the shovel? Either way, seeing coal smoothly come off a shovel sends soothing sine waves through my nerves.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Agree!
@SMILEVIDEOTRAINS
@SMILEVIDEOTRAINS 4 года назад
magnificent man made machines. sorry they have to go. great video.
@TrainsBoatsPlanes
@TrainsBoatsPlanes 4 года назад
Brilliant. I remember the old days too.
@albertoromel
@albertoromel 6 лет назад
the steam locomotive are transport icon.
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 4 года назад
​ MikeFromOz I did some basic searching and found these data: 24 Class axle load 11t.10cwt loco weight 56t 11cwt Grate 36sq.ft PSI 200 cyl 24x28 TE 27,600 25NC axle load 18t 10cwt loco weight 117t 9cwt grate 70sq. ft cyl 24x28 TE 45,360 BR Britannia 7MT axle load 20t 5cwt loco weight 95t 5cwt grate 42sq. ft PSI 250 cyl 20x28 TE 32,150 This is a very rough comparison ignoring boiler dimensions but what really stands out is that massive grate and big cylinder swept volumes on the 25s with about 23% more brute starting TE than a Brit. What is so impressive about the 24s is that light axle load. Brits would not have been expected to pull 800 tons but 24s were and did. DBHP is a more meaningful description of power (being a continuous measure of sustained power rather than the instantaneous Tractive Effort value). I did not find DBHP values for these classes but I bet 25NCs had about twice the DBHP of a Britannia yet with an axle load about two tons less. SAR designs were well up to best-in-World standards and given the constraints of gauge, rail weights per yard and grades were frankly World-leading. I hope to see SAR steam working in anger one day!
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 4 года назад
Thank you for the very interesting and constructive comment Stephen! They are few and far between on RU-vid. The South African Railways has a fantastic presence on Wikipedia mostly due to the hard work of the late Andre Kritzinger. The locomotives in the video are actually class 19D, they were one of the most common locomotive classes on the SAR seeing service throughout the country. As far as my knowledge goes, the class 25s (Condensing and Non Condensing) were the largest non articulated narrow gauge locomotives ever built. I can also highly recommend a documentary called Steam Fever and the Great South African Steam Festival. Here is a short trailer ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nKv8uzwtQew.html ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-RmmIQdTzzLg.html en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_19D_4-8-2 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_25NC_4-8-4 en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_24_2-8-4 Regards Wayne
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 4 года назад
@@WayneSA85 Yes 19Ds were fantastic too...
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 4 года назад
I corrected the weight of 24s ... under 57 tons and yet all that grunt. That was one brilliant designer to get so much from such a modest amount of metal... cast frames too British Railways Standard 4MT 4-6-0s weighed more, had higher axle loads and pulled less!
@MidwesternRailfan
@MidwesternRailfan 4 года назад
steam was gone from South Africa after this.... until they restored the Red Devil steam locomotive.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 4 года назад
That's actually incorrect. At the time there were a number of preservation organisatiosn running excursions all over the country. Like Friends of the Rail, Reefsteamers, Umgeni, Creghton and Atlantic Rail. Ceres Rail followed later and they restored the Red Devil that is used for steam specials. None of them are day to day industrial operations though.
@paulbroderick5358
@paulbroderick5358 8 лет назад
Just like an old friend.
@susanberning7340
@susanberning7340 6 месяцев назад
We luv to se our lokomotive running from Mosselbay to Grootbrak sometimes ❤❤❤
@DVR01
@DVR01 4 года назад
I hope these steam engines will be preserved for excursions.
@Tom-Lahaye
@Tom-Lahaye 7 лет назад
Very nice video. Certanly thye end of an era, only steam left is for touristic reassons now.
@manga12
@manga12 7 лет назад
well once in a blue moon you see it on the union pacific in the usa for special commemorative trips pulling revenue freight, or strausburg in the spring and fall they might pull a few cars for customers to the mainline but they are small engines, a far cry from the 4000 + hp mainline locomotives in the usa before they took all of them out of service by the 1960's, we still got some around for special excursions though and its a good day for steam restoration in the last 3 years in the usa.
@mattsmocs3281
@mattsmocs3281 6 лет назад
Well the SMS lines in New Jersey has a 0-6-0 being restored for freight service as a back up to there aging fleet of diesels so atleast there is gonna still be in one way or another a freight hauling steamer. Just not part of the same era
@davidbufford2603
@davidbufford2603 6 лет назад
thank you
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Thanks for watching
@timspiers6225
@timspiers6225 5 лет назад
That coal looked pretty rubbish, most of it would have gone straight up the chimney.
@Welshman2008
@Welshman2008 4 года назад
nothing but slack absolutely terrible
@egalf
@egalf 4 года назад
This country has so many resources and minerals you can only dream of in Europe, it is sad to see what it has become over the last few decades.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Yeah, it was pretty terrible. Like black sand really. Thanks for watching.
@conceyullena
@conceyullena 4 года назад
Nice video!
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 4 года назад
Very fine locomotives...
@ChristoFourie-jy1xd
@ChristoFourie-jy1xd Год назад
Dis nou hardwerkende stoomtreine vir jou👍
@austrorus
@austrorus 7 лет назад
end of another era... suppose it had to come. seeing in what conditions the
@RailPreserver2K
@RailPreserver2K 6 лет назад
austrorus the crab orchard and Egyptian Railroad actually used a Canadian built 2-8-0 for freight trains until 1986 and the engine was purchased in 1979 but was built in 1946
@TheSteamdriver
@TheSteamdriver 5 лет назад
The conditions weren’t all that bad I have seen far worse in photos and videos
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
They were some of the roughest I'd seen in everyday service. Thanks for watching.
@benediktmorak4409
@benediktmorak4409 2 года назад
@@WayneSA85 the diesel price only going one way, up that is, and electricity suppose also will be in -short - supply, i wonder if that will bring a comeback, at least on some routes, of steam? Water i think is NOT the main problem. i remember the -condenser -locomotives, should be not to difficult to bring them back once more? schlepping iron ore from Saldhana to wherever they go? i don't think steam per see is gone the way of the DODO. Fore sure NEW modern Locos will have to be constructed.breaking, providing heating and light and electricity for the rest of the train? or have ONE generator wagon, Diesel or Rapeseed oil powered who can do that? Only moaning and complaining everything is, railway bosses are good at that. as long as they sit fat and wellfed in their nice airconed offices...
@supertrens7879
@supertrens7879 5 лет назад
Exelente video
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Thank you.
@Railhead1956
@Railhead1956 4 года назад
Sweet video
@sydneymartin6941
@sydneymartin6941 2 года назад
Hi i was also a fireman in late 60s an early 70s an i agree with u
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Awesome Sydney. Glad you enjoyed it.
@MrBnsftrain
@MrBnsftrain 5 лет назад
Cool video! I thought South Africa last used steam in regular service in the 1980s!
@Isochest
@Isochest 5 лет назад
I remember seeing a steamer shunting at Pretoria station in 1994 and I was just visiting from the UK
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Yeah, they were phased out over time. This is a private industrial line. It was common for industry to buy up old steam locomotives for use on their own sidings when they became available.
@midmichiganrr24gp9
@midmichiganrr24gp9 5 лет назад
To bad. I had hoped to make a trip there some day to see steam in action.
@BorisLu
@BorisLu 5 лет назад
Super video!
@hans2406
@hans2406 Год назад
Predating the final days of a working railway system.
@danbuter
@danbuter 4 года назад
You guys should make a train museum and put this locomotive in it.
@Icaanseeyou
@Icaanseeyou 4 года назад
It was nice knowing you…
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Sad state of affairs. Thanks for watching.
@dalehedrick4530
@dalehedrick4530 6 лет назад
Ty
@struck2soon
@struck2soon 7 лет назад
Great clip! Enjoyed the write up, and glad your journey was worth it. Bloody shame it had to end. Just saw on the epilogue that no.3 is coming to Darlo....I live about 30 mins away by chance. Doubt we would ever see it steam though. Was it originally a class 19?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 7 лет назад
Thank you. Correct yes. They actually class 19D. No.1 has been scrapped since the video was made. I understand they struggling to obtain the funds to ship No.3 back to the UK. The locomotive might find refuge at a local preservation society in the meantime.
@struck2soon
@struck2soon 7 лет назад
I hope that works out. I was in PE in 1988 on a ship, and saw several of these locos on shunting duties and local workings. Returned to SA in 1991 for a friends wedding, needless to say also chased a bit of steam! Kimberley to De Aar,(including footplate ride on a 25nc) Randfontein Estates Gold Mine plus a few other sites...happy days. Shame it was culled so mercilessly a few years later.
@RailPreserver2K
@RailPreserver2K 6 лет назад
You steam enthusiasts should band together and form a society to save whatever operating steam locomotives are left in Africa
@seanmarkruddy
@seanmarkruddy 3 года назад
Which 19D went to Sandstone, number 2 or 3, and what happened to the third one that stood one side, stripped ?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
I'm speaking under correction but I think number Two was saved while One and Three. Got scrapped.
@midlandcompound
@midlandcompound 5 лет назад
Superb video! I've been there and seen those locos a long time ago. What happened to them?
@nickk.9914
@nickk.9914 5 лет назад
midlandcompound1000 i hope they are still in juse somewhere else!
@nickk.9914
@nickk.9914 5 лет назад
SteamLocoScrapper thats sad to hear :(
@nickk.9914
@nickk.9914 5 лет назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast i hope you know recycling produces way more Co2 than letting those trains run ;)
@MrRailroadrunner
@MrRailroadrunner 5 лет назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast You don't pay any attention to anything. From some reading, and actually watching the video, one of them is going back England, the other has been purchased by a South African steam group (from what I can find online).
@MrRailroadrunner
@MrRailroadrunner 5 лет назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast Believe what you like. If it makes you happy, all the better. I know you're wrong via official releases, but take your pick.
@shanewalters2565
@shanewalters2565 11 месяцев назад
Will they ever run again?
@Q19219
@Q19219 7 лет назад
Forgive my ignorance, but what is the the little diesel motor car attached to the tender??
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 7 лет назад
Hi Tom. Thanks for watching. The wagon is a diesel driven air compressor. The South African Railways Class 19D is only equipt with vacuum brakes while the wagons being hauled are more modern airbraked vehicles. The compressor is controlled from a seperate console fitted in the cab of the locomotive.
@Q19219
@Q19219 7 лет назад
Thankyou Wayne, I thought that was the purpose, I didn't realise the Loco wasn't fitted with a compressor, I'm down in New Zealand and have noted our steam enthusiasts have imported two ex South African railways class 26's (think that is the right number) and a Garratt with the view to getting them up and running on our lines as the gauge is the same. The Garratts that NZR built were never a success and were scrapped very quickly.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 7 лет назад
Yes, I believe they in Auckland now. The garratt is a GMAM and the other a 25NC, the NC meaning non-condensor. Only one 26 class prototype was built. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Class_26_4-8-4
@StaxRail
@StaxRail 5 лет назад
Please tell me someone over there had the sense to preserve at least 1 as the final truly working steam loco in Africa!
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
One of them is in storage. The other two got the chop....Thanks for watching.
@ZhatFatScav
@ZhatFatScav 4 года назад
If I may ask, what happened to these locomotives? hope they didn't get scrapped
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Sadly two of them were scrapped. The other survives in storage.
@southjerseyboy2844
@southjerseyboy2844 4 года назад
What’s that thing behind the engine with tractor motor and all the tanks on it? Does it provide extra power for the brakes or something?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Compressor car. Thanks for watching.
@emailnunoalmeida
@emailnunoalmeida 3 года назад
What is the purpose of the engine (yellow car) that follows the coal car?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
It's a compressor unit for air brakes. The locomotive only has vacuum brakes.
@kentrobison588
@kentrobison588 6 лет назад
Are they pine plantation logs?. Very small. What is their use, please?.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 6 лет назад
Thanks for watching Kent. They turned into cellulose fiber. The fiber sheets then get sold to other manufacturers.
@hotboxxxexxxpress1509
@hotboxxxexxxpress1509 6 лет назад
Was the flat car with the motor on it used for air brakes? Why not install a steam powered air pump on the side of the locomotive. Very odd
@SpottingWithSam
@SpottingWithSam 4 года назад
Dusten Barefoot believe there was one, but it broke,
@TheSteamdriver
@TheSteamdriver 5 лет назад
Do you know what happend to number 2 considering this video is now 3 maybe 4 years old
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 5 лет назад
I know one of them was scrapped. Three got donated to a preservation group. I'll get back to you.
@RobGMyMX5
@RobGMyMX5 7 лет назад
I would be very interested to know the story behind this - why did Sappi continue to use steam locos for so long? Was it just a simple case of them still being cheaper to operate than diesel?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 7 лет назад
Thanks for watching Rob. Basically yes. South Africa continued to use steam traction well into the 1980's. One of the few country's to do so which is why we were so popular with steam enthusiasts from around the world. In a nutshell... South Africa had an abundance of low grade coal, cheap labour and more importantly the engineering is simple and easy to maintain. The then SAR also kept vast reserves of steam locomotives even after dieselisation started due to many reasons but the biggest being the oil embargo of the mid 1970's. Steam locomotives use a total loss lubrication system but still consume very little oil compared to their diesel counterparts. The Nationalist government thought it wise to keep them in storage so that if oil sanctions worsened the railways would not be crippled. On the flip side many were sold off to industry. They literally worked everything ranging from shunting duties at power stations, gold mines and even mills like saiccor. Sappi initially purchased a number of class 8 locomotives from the SAR for this task but these were replaced by diesel's some years later. Unfortunately the diesel locomotives proved technically troublesome and were replaced by the class 19D's seen in the video.
@RobGMyMX5
@RobGMyMX5 7 лет назад
Fascinating, thanks for sharing. Wonderful to see working steam on something other than a grainy 1950s film! Sad that it had to come to an end, but I suppose it was inevitable. I grew up in KZN and would have loved to have gone and seen these engines working if I'd known they were there. Anyway, great video and looking forward to watching your others.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 7 лет назад
Rob G Yeah, great pity but their time had come unfortunately.
@jeffeffery8181
@jeffeffery8181 4 года назад
What is the Black/Yellow car behind the steamer? It's got a little motor for something
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Compressor wagon. Thanks for watching.
@SantaFe19484
@SantaFe19484 4 года назад
What year did this happen? What is the car or wagon with a motor right behind the engine for?
@FreeManFreeThought
@FreeManFreeThought 4 года назад
Air brakes, think the loco was built for Vacuum brakes.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Pat is correct.
@RangaTurk
@RangaTurk 4 года назад
Like the Western Australian V class steam locomotives, deceptively large engines for a narrow gauge railway.
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 4 года назад
A SAR fireman tells me a 24 class could haul 800 tons at 60-70 kph and keep time!
@RangaTurk
@RangaTurk 4 года назад
@@stephensmith799 800 tons from that calibre of loco at that speed would be about right.
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 4 года назад
@@RangaTurk I still find that impressive. Few British locomotives could have matched that even on our Standard Gauge. For Cape Gauge locos to do that regularly is frankly amazing. Hats Off to SAR
@RangaTurk
@RangaTurk 4 года назад
@@stephensmith799 To top it off, the GMA Garratts, 15ARs, 24s and 35s don't look like narrow gauge locos from some angles in photos I've seen from below embankment level or from afar.
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 4 года назад
@@RangaTurk The Garratts are utterly stunning. Generally UK steam loco exporters eg from the North British Atlas Works were more advanced than the British railway in house workshops were. East Africal Railways locos are another fantastic case. Sadly these locos have been ignored in the UK. where enthusiasts seem only interested in LMS GW LNER SR and BR types. EAR had fantastic Garratts
@DaleThePig
@DaleThePig 4 года назад
Any update on these engines since?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Two of them were scrapped. The other is in storage at preservation organisation.
@matthewpeter
@matthewpeter 8 лет назад
that coal looks dreadful
@jackt6453
@jackt6453 5 лет назад
Out of curiosity, what constitutes good coal?
@geoffreyblack5982
@geoffreyblack5982 5 лет назад
It shine's and decent size. Not dust or dirt.
@egalf
@egalf 4 года назад
A sad thing in a country full of resources and minerals.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Yeah, mostly black sand. Thanks for watching.
@groggers
@groggers 4 года назад
If anyone wants to get straight to the action, skip to 11:27!
@TheSteamdriver
@TheSteamdriver 4 года назад
Can some one tell me please what wagon that is behind the loco and I do not mean one's with Timber
@karlosbricks2413
@karlosbricks2413 4 года назад
Diesel air compressor. The loco is fitted with older Vacuum brakes, but the rolling stock is otherwise modern, so a compressor is needed for the airbakes on the wagons. The compressor is controlled by the loco.
@geoffreyblack5982
@geoffreyblack5982 5 лет назад
It's a sad year china will stop using steam next year and apparently steam will be dead in South Africa. What are replacing steam with. Diesels that use imported oil. Is that economic?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
These locomotives only service this industrial branchline. The rest of the national network was electrified years ago. Thanks for watching.
@scoobertjoo
@scoobertjoo 5 лет назад
Why were they toting the air compressor?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Locomotive only has a vacuum brakes. Thanks for watching.
@samuelmaltry6727
@samuelmaltry6727 4 года назад
They both look a bit tired , were they scrapped?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Very tired actually. Two were scrapped the other is in storage. Thanks for watching.
@thestarlightalchemist7333
@thestarlightalchemist7333 6 лет назад
WHO WILL WIN THE STEAM SURVIVAL CHALLENGE?! SOUTH AFRICA OR CHINA?!
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Definitely China.
@raydornbush
@raydornbush 7 лет назад
Sucks that steam locomotives had to get replaced by something that really isn't that much better at doing the job steam has already been doing great for so long :(
@Edyth_Hedd
@Edyth_Hedd 5 лет назад
If diesels weren't "that much better," they wouldn't have abandoned steam for them, would they?
@theextremeanimator4721
@theextremeanimator4721 5 лет назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast I'm sorry, but.....steam preservationists and scrappers don't really get along. Mind to at least move to train scrapping videos only? Because these railfans (not me) want you out of these videos and they mean it.....
@theextremeanimator4721
@theextremeanimator4721 5 лет назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast But end of the work life for Steam locomotives doesn't mean (for the most part) that they will get scrapped already.
@theextremeanimator4721
@theextremeanimator4721 5 лет назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast We are both on Earth.
@TheSteamdriver
@TheSteamdriver 5 лет назад
Actually a car puts out more pollution a steam loco hauling a load is far more pollution friendly then a car and aeroplanes the things that cause the most pollution
@cyruslovesindia
@cyruslovesindia 4 года назад
Where are these locos now. Hopefully not scrapped but preserved.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Two of them were scrapped. One remains in storage.
@jamesm6638
@jamesm6638 4 года назад
13:02 ...never seen anyone use the johnson bar quite like that lol
@stephensmith799
@stephensmith799 4 года назад
Nice to hear them called Johnson bars!
@davidjoseeduardo2917
@davidjoseeduardo2917 4 года назад
Locomotiva vapor esta ta com potência ainda
@tedmichel8999
@tedmichel8999 6 лет назад
Where has the steam loco ended up ?
@theextremeanimator4721
@theextremeanimator4721 5 лет назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast they're probably stored.
@theextremeanimator4721
@theextremeanimator4721 5 лет назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast -_- i'm just gonna set my distance away from you. i've got no other choice.
@willausterman3104
@willausterman3104 3 года назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast "accurate information" my ass. Only one was scrapped (beyond repair) the other is preserved.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
I believe one and three were scrapped. Two has been set aside for preservation. Thanks for watching.
@someperson2965
@someperson2965 4 года назад
What happened to these beauty's? Scrapped?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Two have been scrapped the other is in storage with a preservation organisation. Thanks for watching.
@veluparthiban6310
@veluparthiban6310 3 года назад
Malarum ninaivugal
@locomotive6727
@locomotive6727 4 года назад
Dave's seen.
@adriaanpretorius3411
@adriaanpretorius3411 4 года назад
Die man wat die wiele wit geverf het ? Verf opgeraak?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Dalk...
@stephenhunter70
@stephenhunter70 6 лет назад
The Diesels may be ex QR Australia
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
South African 37class. They were manufactured new in SA under licence from EMD. Thanks for watching.
@leifliltorp3277
@leifliltorp3277 8 лет назад
What is the crazy trailer behinfd the loco????
@peterscott9826
@peterscott9826 8 лет назад
+Leif Liltorp I suspect it's a compressor truck for running the Air brakes, as the Loco would only have had vacuum brakes. www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.php?id=506599&nseq=19#remarks
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 8 лет назад
+Leif Liltorp Correct, it's a compressor. The stand to operate it can just be seen at the bottom of the frame at 9:00.
@leifliltorp3277
@leifliltorp3277 8 лет назад
+Wayne Nauschutz Thank you Wayne and Peter,Never seen something like this before..Regards.
@softwerksaol
@softwerksaol 6 лет назад
Interesting that was considered easier than fitting the locomotive with a steam compressor.
@maipoldis7017
@maipoldis7017 4 года назад
รถจักรไอน้ำ หลายคันเลยขอมาที่ไทยสักสามคันได้ไหมคับ
@DillonTrinhProductions
@DillonTrinhProductions 6 лет назад
there's still steam in south africa
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 6 лет назад
Yes, preserved steam not day to day working steam.
@DillonTrinhProductions
@DillonTrinhProductions 6 лет назад
oh
@davidspencer8373
@davidspencer8373 4 года назад
I'm like
@j8u2
@j8u2 5 лет назад
What's the track gauge?
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Cape gauge. 3'6". Thanks for watching.
@DaleThePig
@DaleThePig 8 лет назад
What has happened to these loco's since?
@peterscott9826
@peterscott9826 8 лет назад
+Dillon Allison I can't speak for No2, but No3 has (as it says towards the end of the video) been donated to the North British Locomotive society, who I believe are currently raising the funds to have the engine returned to the United Kingdom www.nbloco.co.uk/
@baldandold
@baldandold 8 лет назад
+Peter Scott where she will be loved
@Tom-Lahaye
@Tom-Lahaye 7 лет назад
At least one loco in a safe place. There are so many cape gauge loco's returned to the UK to make it worth to regauge one of the preserved railways and have them running there.
@manga12
@manga12 7 лет назад
at least they have the foresight to realize they are not as common and now save them and rebuild better then them just doing what they used to and cut them up, that would be awful, absolutely dreadful.
@willcoleman9691
@willcoleman9691 7 лет назад
Dillon Allison think the SAR locos are to big for British loading gauge, something like a 15F towers over a 9F.. We have SAR Garrats at the WHR though
@TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan
@TexasRailfan21-RailfanRyan 4 года назад
At least northern African steam engines are doing a lot better
@simonwright727
@simonwright727 4 года назад
What a shame
@jefersonff5660
@jefersonff5660 4 года назад
03/04/2021
@jefersonff5660
@jefersonff5660 4 года назад
Popeye
@barryphillips7327
@barryphillips7327 4 года назад
Stupid really because South Africa still vast reserves of coal and water, now they have to import oil to run diesels, sad to see the end of an era!
@hedgehog3180
@hedgehog3180 4 года назад
Jesus christ being the guys who have to paint that engine black in that scorching heat must be exhausting.
@roberthopkins7984
@roberthopkins7984 5 лет назад
sabotage the diesel locomotives.
@someperson2965
@someperson2965 4 года назад
@@PreservationEnthusiast your such a troll.
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 2 года назад
Now a blocked troll. Thanks for watching.
@williamou417
@williamou417 5 лет назад
They continued steam like in China
@WayneSA85
@WayneSA85 5 лет назад
Steam has continued here as well but only preservation societies. SAPPi was the last actual industrial steam in SA.
@haseebahmadahmad2874
@haseebahmadahmad2874 4 года назад
On
@haseebahmadahmad2874
@haseebahmadahmad2874 4 года назад
@@WayneSA85 pak
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