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The First Time We've Identified Both The German And US Soldier! | RZM PPK Capture 

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In this video, we show you a rare RZM-marked Walther PPK owned by a Nazi Party Member, Dr. Rudolf Schünicke. The US soldier who captured it and brought it home at the end of WW2 is, C. O. Winkelvoss. This is the first time in Legacy's history that we have identified BOTH parties!
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@robviousobviously5757
@robviousobviously5757 6 месяцев назад
I found Charles Oliver Winkelvoss... born 29 September 1906 passed 9 February 1972... newspaper article states he was a mortician... but nothing about being a veteran... might not be him.. but he was from Pennsylvania.
@gunswiththedutchman
@gunswiththedutchman 6 месяцев назад
He was a veteran. His grave is decorated with a flag.
@bobjohnston8316
@bobjohnston8316 6 месяцев назад
Interesting. He would obviously have been forty years old in 1946 which must have been at the upper end of the draft age range if he was in the pool at all. Of course, he could have volunteered. I wonder if he was a mortician in the army, in a graves registration unit?
@thomaswhiteman4261
@thomaswhiteman4261 6 месяцев назад
I have heard that many times as well
@sethcooper5067
@sethcooper5067 6 месяцев назад
He served from July 25th, 1943 to Nov 26th, 1945. He was overseas from Feb 28th, 1944 to Nov 22nd, 1945. He served with the 428th Fighter Squadron and then returned home with Headquarters Battery, 568th Anti Aircraft Artillery (Automatic Weapons) Battalion. His MOS at the time of return was 144 Painter, General (Maintenance).
@drunkmike6364
@drunkmike6364 6 месяцев назад
That has to be him. I found that find a grave entry too;.
@markblanchard88
@markblanchard88 6 месяцев назад
I had a friend who's father was in the air corps. He said when he was boarding the ship to go home they were told to get rid of all the Nazi weapons that weren't authorized to go back and he said he dropped an MP 40 into the water next to the ship. He said: "we were all doing it, just dropping everything into the sea".
@2009Berghof
@2009Berghof 6 месяцев назад
I too have heard this many, many times. It was because the pencil pushers did not want to be bothered with the time consuming paperwork Sort of like Biden telling you that you cannot own a machinegun despite the fact that you can! The only capture paper work that I came across was for a Japanese MG. It was brought back by a USMC Captain. I'd be willing to bet the vast majority of these papers were filled out for officers only.
@almartin4284
@almartin4284 6 месяцев назад
so sad
@thelastjohnwayne
@thelastjohnwayne 5 месяцев назад
I am CRYING over this loss of the MP40
@erichschaefer1963
@erichschaefer1963 6 месяцев назад
From what I understand, not every party member could purchase a PPK. A party member had to hold a certain rank to be eligible. RZMs also were sold to the SS, SA and HJ. In Walther ads, the PPK RZM was called the service pistol of the party.
@thomaswhiteman4261
@thomaswhiteman4261 6 месяцев назад
Cant disagree. Not a lot of document to prove either way. But thanks
@erichschaefer1963
@erichschaefer1963 6 месяцев назад
@@thomaswhiteman4261 got my info from Joe Wotka who’s the authority on the PL and RZM PPKs.
@christopherpuetz7175
@christopherpuetz7175 6 месяцев назад
I also have an RZM PPK serial number is less than 200 from the one in the video. I wish I could afford a holster.
@HighFalutinTootin
@HighFalutinTootin 6 месяцев назад
😂
@g54b95
@g54b95 6 месяцев назад
Man! Those pictures at the end with piles of K98 rifles.
@capt.jonathans.tuttle1504
@capt.jonathans.tuttle1504 6 месяцев назад
Being forced to join the Nazi party to teach is like being forced to join today's US teachers' unions to teach even if you do not agree with them.
@jacksavage7808
@jacksavage7808 6 месяцев назад
Totally agree.
@jasonb7878
@jasonb7878 6 месяцев назад
Very interesting! Thank you
@heiner71
@heiner71 6 месяцев назад
When he joined the NSDAP, he was still a student.
@wnmech6495
@wnmech6495 6 месяцев назад
Awesome video I really enjoy all of them
@MGB-learning
@MGB-learning 6 месяцев назад
Great video
@ralphcurran8147
@ralphcurran8147 6 месяцев назад
Great stuff
@marcofguzman3075
@marcofguzman3075 6 месяцев назад
Very interesting and informative Definitely 😮
@danielnewman134
@danielnewman134 6 месяцев назад
Very Interesting story.
@scottwalker6239
@scottwalker6239 6 месяцев назад
I think you did really well your German.
@renatosureal
@renatosureal 6 месяцев назад
😯😮 ... what a one of a kind collection fire arm in MINT conditions.
@ronaldbyrne3320
@ronaldbyrne3320 6 месяцев назад
The full story needs unearthing. So many questions, the answers to which I want to know. 😊
@asintonic
@asintonic 6 месяцев назад
Wait my fellow Americans all say the evil bad man took away all the guns?
@2009Berghof
@2009Berghof 6 месяцев назад
It is not uncommon to hear how Hitler's Nazis confiscated all the guns from the people. True, if you were a foreigner or not a good little Nazis. The Nazis encouraged firearm ownership within Germany because they desired a strong armed populace familiar with arms. The infamous Nurnberg Laws first outlawed Jews from owning gun factories. The following year, Jews could no longer own a firearm. Non-Germans in occupied areas were required to relinquish their arms and even radios.
@AsG_4_
@AsG_4_ 6 месяцев назад
So cool
@mabbrey
@mabbrey 6 месяцев назад
well done tom gd stuff
@popnmeg
@popnmeg 6 месяцев назад
Some great history 👍
@colt-ss3lw
@colt-ss3lw 6 месяцев назад
Rosetta stone languages.
@surgoncable
@surgoncable 6 месяцев назад
Shouldn’t it have a 90 degree safety?
@thomaswhiteman4261
@thomaswhiteman4261 6 месяцев назад
Good observation. I missed that. It could be one of the earliest 60 degrees that I have ever recorded,.... OR I need to check the inside of the slide to make sure it matches. I will check it but I assume it is just one of the earliest known 60 degress.
@mrhamburger6936
@mrhamburger6936 6 месяцев назад
You have to wonder if the German school teacher survive the war?
@billbest9483
@billbest9483 6 месяцев назад
The 33XXXxXx serial number on the vets service number means he was drafted (perhaps) in NE Pennsylvania. Or nearby
@904sounds5
@904sounds5 6 месяцев назад
Looking at the capture paperwork, there was no such unit as the 428th Regiment (which would imply Infantry based in the Captain's branch). There was a 428th Field Artillery Group but it was deactivated in 1945 in Italy. I think paperwork may be elaborate fake.
@frankjenkins3871
@frankjenkins3871 6 месяцев назад
Veteran's burial cards says 428th Fighter Squadron
@904sounds5
@904sounds5 6 месяцев назад
Very well could be an AAF unit, I'm not familiar with many of those.@@frankjenkins3871
@thomaswhiteman4261
@thomaswhiteman4261 6 месяцев назад
We found him in the air corp. Papers are real
@904sounds5
@904sounds5 6 месяцев назад
Hi Tom, seems this guy was in 428th Fighter Group which was a P-38 Lightning outfit. Still, records indicate they were inactivated in 1945 and sent home in the Fall. Still looking for a 1946 Germany based 428th… no luck yet.
@2009Berghof
@2009Berghof 6 месяцев назад
Indeed, a member of my family was a P-38 pilot in the 428th. It is in the book by the founder of WWII re-enacting, A BRIDGE TO TIME.
@DK-sc4gn
@DK-sc4gn 6 месяцев назад
Check in the US Census data or voter registration in 1960 and 1970 for the Philadelphia area. You maybe able to get more information.
@davidlyon1899
@davidlyon1899 6 месяцев назад
so he was not a doctor, like El Presidente Brandon's wife is not a doctor.
@jackmiller6331
@jackmiller6331 6 месяцев назад
What happened to German Dr.???
@Manfred-cf9rn
@Manfred-cf9rn 6 месяцев назад
He was placed against the wall and shot! G.1.s believed that All German doctors are evil..like Dr.Mengele! 😅
@alfredjr2k556
@alfredjr2k556 6 месяцев назад
Legacy Collectibles. Thanks for helping me. Your videos are good. Byebye.
@454FatJack
@454FatJack 6 месяцев назад
Capture paper after war. Quite True. If any help . Date in that document printed. Came to effect.. May. 29.1945 when as formal act , and borrowed / stolen etc property has to be Registered . Victory Day Europe 9.5 may 9th. So 3 week ” Amnesty ” had been going on.😂 . Stolen from Germans then again Uncle Sam’s arm’s😊pile’s
@aron7439
@aron7439 6 месяцев назад
🍸🍸🪖
@eloygagogonzalez7330
@eloygagogonzalez7330 6 месяцев назад
😍😍😍😍😍😍
@fuatozturk2794
@fuatozturk2794 6 месяцев назад
başarılar
@aliroyfan9897
@aliroyfan9897 6 месяцев назад
aynen
@GMT439
@GMT439 6 месяцев назад
All Wars are Fake and He Knows..
@thomaswhiteman4261
@thomaswhiteman4261 6 месяцев назад
I dont know what that means
@bryandale7125
@bryandale7125 6 месяцев назад
WOW, really!? This man is very uneducated or has a death wish in the very irresponsible way he dangerously handles firearms, and I should know, as a range officer and firearms instructor, I see idiots like this all the time. 4-basic rules a firearm ownership: 1. Treat every firearm as if it is loaded. 2. Always point the muzzle in a safe direction. 3. Be certain of your target and what's beyond it. 4. Keep your finger outside the trigger guard until ready to shoot.
@aliroyfan9897
@aliroyfan9897 6 месяцев назад
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