When I started playing craps, this is how I played. Most times, before I even buy in (this was way before the pandemic) I would watch the players and see who was a random roller and who wasn’t. I buy in and start my count on the random rolls. It served me well. I could usually double my buy in.
This saved me from losing a lot at the casino last night. Out of 10 shooters only 2 made the 5 count. Everyone else 7'd out. I didn't lose any money on those. I did end up losing money because those 2 other shooters 7'd out after the come bet was established. I made some money back on my roll, but not enough (just learning dice control). However, on all 3 times i did roll. I hit the point at least once and rolled longer than anyone at the table. Even if it was only 9-12 rolls.
Sounds good. Remember that there isn't a system that is going to make you a winner betting on other shooters. The 5-count is there to do exactly what it did for you last night - ELIMINATE SHOOTERS. One thing to remember is how much to bet after the 5-count - you need to bet at a MAX 25% of your spread when you are shooting. So as an example your point is a 5 and a $10 table and you take 2X odds on your 5 and you place the 6/8 for $12 each. That is a spread of $54. The max you want to bet initially on a random shooter after the 5-count is $13 - so that is one come bet with single odds. If you did that last night you might have broken even Dom
@Golden Touch Craps. What happens if the random roller makes the come bet. Do you take it all down and then restart with a come bet or do you just take the winnings and leave the original bet with odds on?
I only had $20 ($5 chip and $15 in odds) on the come bet, but the person 7'd out before the come bet was made both times. So lost $40 in total from those rollers. Could have been a lot worse given how cold the table was.
Just to make sure - if you had $20 in total on the random shooter, ask yourself if you had $80 on the table when you took the dice......$80 X 25% = $20. If you didn't have $80 on the table when you first begin to shoot, than you bet too much on the random roller to begin with. Remember this line - To win MORE money you need to learn to lose LESS money. You do this by reducing your bets on a random roller to no more than 25% of your spread. That doesn't mean to bet 25%. If you did have $80 on the table when you too the dice, I wouldn't have a problem with you putting only 1X odds on that $5 comebet. ....Learn to lose LESS money Dom
Thanks for explaining, Dom. I followed your dice control method few years ago and managed to "earn" $21,000 at Caesar's casinos in Vegas. I did NOT follow the betting method completely but, I was hitting numbers so much, I actually started to place money on the "Fire bets". More so than not, I hit 4 point run for 250:1 odd with $5 bets for a $1250 wins and whatever place bets I had on the table, most times @350 or so. I will be back in Vegas in few months and I am going to try this 5 count deal and see how it turns out. 2nd year of my dice control turned out not too good, with @$6,000 loss, when I quit playing...still a $15,000 profit from your teachings in a year. CAN'T go wrong with what you teach!
Remember that the 5-count is not going to make you money ..... there isn't a betting system that can beat the game of craps no mater what anyone tells you. Every bet on the table caries a negative edge. BUT what the 5-count does do, and this is soooo important - it ELIMINATES 53% of all the shooters at the table so your money is ONLY at risk 43% of the time. This is HUGE! Then if you use comebets with odds you can bring the casino edge to below a half point, depending on how many times odds you take. Keep us posted Dom
This method has been working form me. I have been logging the play of all randoms at my local tribe casino in Washington State and in my experience of a 2 -3 hour session it works more often then not. Of course it doesn't work all the time, but it DOES give you the opportunity to EXTEND YOUR PLAY.
My personal opinion as someone who has debated the physics of craps with Dom, sets the dice and gets harrassed by dealers banging their sticks on the table, leaning over the table, etc: I can have an amazing session at a a good non-bouncy table but suddenly when I come back the next day using the same exact throw from the same exact spot, with the same dice setup, I can't avoid a 7 for my life and I am a pretty solid shooter. That is why I'm still skeptical. In fact, there is a $25 table at Caesars AC, in the 2nd row on the right end coming from the slot area that I am pretty sure Dom could never beat over the course of say 500 rolls and it's not even a bouncy table. It just has large pyramids.
Because you are trying to control the dice you know that this is an athletic endeavor that takes hand and eye coordination, and a mental aspect as well. Why does a basketball player score 40 pts and then the next night paying the same team on the same court only scores 15 or less? Luck also enters into this. I always say that DiMaggio's 56 game hitting streak had some luck in it - some of those base hits if they were 1 inch one way or the other would have been caught by the shortstop and an out would have happened. Good luck! Dom
I love these videos from you Dom these personalized videos are the best I wish you had more of them peace and love I hope one of these days I am able to come out and get some instructions from you but unfortunately I work a lot would really love to see you in person all the best to you Dom
As an aspiring GTC player, I certainly get the math and logic behind using 5-count on random rollers and upping the stakes(within reason) when you or another control roller has the dice. But I do have one important question: let's say the roller makes it through the 5-count and you make a come bet with odds. I tried this strategy, and bet Come with odds, but more than once, got hit by 7-outs on the 7th, 8th, and 9th rolls. Is there a mathematically sound strategy to compensate for this risk? Thanks for the vids and advice!
The simple answer is no. Remember that the 5-count or any other betting strategy can not make you a winner at this game. You can not beat this game using a betting strategy. The 5-count does what I state it does, eliminate 57% of all the shooters at the table so you money is only at risk 43% of the time. Think about or put a green chip in your pocket every time a player doesn't get past the 5-count and you didn't bet on him like you probably did in the past. That is a win! What you are doing by using comebets is making a bet that is lower than 1%. Good luck Dom
use the dc margintal system on each shooter for example bet dc one shooter #1 if you win wait until next shooter if you lose wait until next shooter then double your dc bet and so on and so on yes dice will get streaky and on a roll but ive never seen on a cold table of 7 or more people every body hit on there first roll at least two or three people will crap there first roll so the thinking here is instead of using the margintal system on dc for an entire roll of a shooter we just take our lost and double up on the next shooter with a bank roll of $630 you can bet 7 shooters out meaning 7 shooters in a row would have to either hit there point or rolles 7 or 11 on the come out roll,play this way and secure a $5 profit everytime you win,its long its boaring but will pay off,the trick to this strategy is simply finding cold tables,perhaps watch the dice go around once before choosing a table on cold table shooters on first rolls half them should crap out and not hit 7 or 11 on come out or even hit a point,on hot tables either one or two shooters are hiting alot of numbers or almost everyone is atleast hiting one point avoid these tables and beat the craps game.Good Luck!
I found a better system ..Simply put $5 on pass and dont pass to get by the 7/11 then put full odds or $60 on dont pass and make 2 $30 dc bets if you hit 7 here your dc bets will be insured by your dont pass odds also on my dc points i like to also place a $30 bet on the point as a place bet so if tbe hit the point i win the odds and they 7 out i push but when dont come odds..this has really proven well for me just have to remember to start with no more than 5 or 10 on pass and dont pass and put around 60 odds on dont pass and half as much in dont come around 30..ive simulated it will take you up 300 then back down around 200 then back up 300 then back down 200 but over the long run as long as you stick to this formala ive had major positive progress over several systems
+4everdating.com John Caruso It's more confusing then the other way... because Doey/Don't max odds with 30$ place bet, 2 DC is a wash... Try this- doey/don't...Max Odds, or a lay... Place four numbers ..Take down darks side hedge bet when numbers are paid.
i am not a high roller because i don't have a lot of money and a bit conservative. last time out i was not taking the odds bet because when i did i had a lot of extra money on the table and then the 7 would kill everything on the pass and come bets. i only felt confident when i was doing the setting and shooting cause everyone at the table had no clue except for one guy for a while. i made a lot of money for the bigger betters and did ok myself. i held the dice for about 40 min.
You are so right that betting properly is important. That is why we spend a lot of the time at our seminars going over betting and money management. I say at the seminars that you can be the best dice controller in the world but if you make improper or bad bets you will still be a LOSER Dom
This is so so wrong. To be able to make the numbers you want is crucial. Watch the table. Watch the shooters. Follow trends. Get in and Out ! best luck to you.
LOL...This "Old Guy"...LOL. This is a legend. Him and Frank Scoblete and a few other are the best in the whole, entire world. Personally Sam "The Dice Doctor" Grafstein was more helpful for my way of playing...but never doubt what Dominator or Frank tell you.
Are you a wrong bettor then? I have the book by Grafstein and I personally think he's full of sh.. on a lot of the strategies of wrong betting. Laying maximum odds on your Don't bets will get you broke faster then you can even say 7 out.
Thanks again for the 5 count you know how money you saved me I cannot bet as big as I want right away however when that seven pops up and I have not made my bet yet you saved me $ 220.00 after the 5th number then I can start betting like I want to not saying the seven could not pop up any time I can see down the road that this 5 count is a great thing you just have to have patience thanks Golden Touch Craps
Thanks for the kind words! BTW, I hope you are not listening to other so called dice experts that have videos. If you are, take the time to look at this video I made - ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-mZfLI7F1MGg.html
Ok I understand this now. So basically if it’s a complete random thrower no pass line w/ odds. Have them throw at least 5 numbers and place a come bet. Collect. And repeat come bet and collect at least 3 times before considering increasing your odds.
IF 57% of all shooters will seven out in 5 rolls or less, why not start on the Don't pass line. If they seven out you WIN $$$. If they get pass the 5-count you may place the point and any number, you wish. Now the odds are in YOUR Favor. From the show on You tube: The Top Ten MYTHS In craps. This is myth #2. 🤔
Two Questions: 1. Once the five count starts if ACE'es or 12 is rolled in the middle of the count do they count towards completion of the 5 count ? 2. On the 4th roll is a YO the only number that when rolled will start the " 4 and holding" ?
Yes if a horn number is rolled in the middle of the 5-count it is counted as a roll - if on the 4th roll a yo is rolled that is counted as roll #4, but if the Yo is rolled on the 5th roll then it is the 4 count and holding. Hope you understand Good luck! Dom
Thank you for this video! I wonder... If 57% of random rollers don't make it past 5 rolls, then what percentage of the 43% that do make it past 5 rolls, make it to 12+ rolls and/or make their point?
That we never calculated. Actually, when someone gets past the 5-count and I put out a comebet, I am hoping for a 7. Why? - because I win my bet and the dice are getting closer to me Good luck! Dom
I buy into the mentality that craps isn't about how much you win, it's how long you can play before losing your bankroll. My only concern with this strategy is if shooters consistently aren't hitting the five count, the stickman could call no action and you don't get to hold the dice. But I do like the come bet for this (I'm usually a place better) to protect against the 7.
At some casinos you do have to make a bet on the shooter right before you shoot so, you do have to make a bet. I know that is the case in casinos in Canada. Otherwise you shouldn't have a problem. Good luck! Dom
LOL .... Can't cahnge the music without redoing the whole video. Good luck and forget about the music but use the 5-count. It will save you a ton of money! Dom
First for your info - the come or the don't carry the basically the same edge - no difference in the casino edge. Next after the 5-count the likely hood that a 7 is going to show to high so putting out a comebet makes you a winner if the 7 shows on the 6th roll and a loser if it shows with a don't come. Personally, I neve play the don't because - 1. the casino edge is the same - 2. nobody likes a don't player Good luck and thanks for your question\ Dom
@@Goldentouchcraps That was not a good answer. The house edge is higher on the come than the don't come, ALWAYS. Yes, a seven is due to come up, but only 1 in six rolls at any given time. If only playing one bet I would go on the don't side.
@@jameslinzmeier368 Please read my comment again except this time more closely. I said the the come and the don't carry BASICALLY the same edge - House edge on the come is 1.41%, house edge on the don't 1.4 - I would say that is BASICALLY the same. Good luck Dom
I could care less if you or anyone else at the table likes me. I’m there to make money, not friends. I use the 5 count to bet DC 2x followed by a come bet. Can’t tell you how many times that sequence has netted 2x and 3x profits
was looking for some type of way to play with a random shooter. i normally come bet a couple of times. but now just one bet and increase the odds sounds good. the only thing is ;is that now that 7 will wipe you out and not protected by that come bet . a lil hedge
Don't hedge! What make a bet that has a negative house edge, with a bet - the comebet that is positive. Follow the 5-count exactly. Understand one thing, you can't beat the casinos with a system - the 5-count is not a system. What it is - is a way to eliminate shooters at the table so your money is only at risk 43% of the time. This way you have money in your rack to be able to bet on YOURSELF when you are throwing the dice. Good luck! Dom
So if a random roller gets past the 1st 5 rolls Then chances are They are worth betting on & may go on a long roll? Recently I watched a random shooter(no dice setting) He absolutely kill it with 62 rolls without a single 7, Not even 1 come out 7 throughout His entire roll It was insane. He made about 8 points, & rolled a crazy number of 6's. I again seen this very same shooter, at a different casino down the road, 2 weeks after His epic 62 roller, & he was up to shoot on my table, & I loaded up the bets after his come out point, Thinking this Guy is going to make me some cash.!!.......Guess what......... He SEVEN"D OUT on His 2nd Roll !! He cursed & walked away. Dom's advise on the "5" Rule would have saved me $88.00 just on that one shooter.
Absolutely! Never bet automatically on a shooter just because he had a monster one roll before. I even use the 5-count on my instructors that I haven't played with for a while and I tell each student at my class if they see me at the tables, the better use the 5-count on me or I will walk away! Good luck! Dom
Great question. The variance is always there and with more odds taken your risk of ruin does go up. So to answer it is really a factor of your BR and your tolerance of risk of ruin Good luck! Dom
@@Goldentouchcraps Thanks. As a preferred $5/$10 table guy, I usually am quite conservative. In addition to limiting risk per shooter to three units, I put very minimal odds on unless I have recovered that 3 unit outlay to my rack. I start with racking the first win. Beyond that, then 1 unit of odds, then rack the next win, then 1 unit.
I am very new to the dice game. How do you win with the come bet? Also, if I am the shooter, can I place a bet on both pass line and the don't pass line? If so, can I pick one up after establish the point?
Yes you can place a bet on the pas and the don't but that is a stupid way to play. Use the 5-count that you can see in one of my videos. A comebet is exactly like a passline bet - which ever number the comebet goes to has to be repeated before a 7 Good luck! Dom
If you can get away with not betting on other shooters at your casino, that is great and you are doing the right thing. Most of us can't so the 5-count does the job or giving you the ability to eliminate shooters. Good luck! Dom
@@Goldentouchcraps I understand the Golden Ruler to be some sort of additional vetting of the shooter in addition to the 5 Count....however I am unable to find information on it
First, thank you for your video. The question that I have is, why bet come instead of DC on random roller? Aren't we waiting for A Seven out? To me, what you're saying is, you think the random roller will throw another come bet before he 7's out, even after rolling more than 5 times?
Thank you for your kind words. There are a few answers to your questions, but the first answer is that you have to change your thinking - you are not going to the casinos to win on any random roller because in the long run you will lose on a random roller - your thinking needs to be that you are there to win on yourself because you have been practicing and you have an edge. The house edge on the DC and the come is basically the same - 1.4, 1.43 - really no difference. Because you are going to lose in the long run on a random roller why even bet on them? The 5-cout gives you a guide line to not bet on them - it eliminates 57% off all shooters. So just wait out he 5-count, then place a comebet and under your breath hope for a 7 where you win your comebet and the dice moves one position closer to you:)) Dom
@@rogerl8488 If the 9 was rolled on the 6th roll and you have a comebet out, your comebet would travel to the 9 and the 9 becomes your point.....a 9 has to be thrown before a 7 and you win. If on that 6th roll and you have a comebet out and a 7 was thrown you would win your comebet. That is the best thing as far a we are concerned. We win a bet and the dice get passed to the next shooter making the dice c loser to us. If you don't understand, please ask again Dom
My local casino will let me bet on the don’t pass and passline. That’s usually what I do to show “action” if the point is 6 or 8 I’ll throw some odds on the passline if it’s 4 or 10 I place don’t pass odds and if it’s 5 or 9 I just leave it and break even.
at the 3:30-3:39 mark he rolls to Yos back to back. He states they are holding. At the 5:20 mark he rolls a yo and is counting it as the second roll. Why isnt it holding?
Thank you Patrick! Now use the 5-count! I say in class that even if you don't learn the throw, just using the 5-count on random rollers will save you a ton of money! Remember the way to win MORE money is to learn to LOSE less money. The 5-count does this Good luck! Dom
Dom, Is the idea of the 5 count to filter out dice throwers who are NOT Dice Controllers i.e. Random Rollers? I have your book "Casino Craps Shoot To Win" and it states that the 5 Count works for Darkside players equally as well. Wouldn't a darkside player want a shooter who is NOT a dice controller and who is a random roller who may seven out more quickly and not go on a a 60 minute run? If I get on a table and none of the shooters can go a 5 count then I am licking my chops to play Don't Pass. Conversely, if I am at a table loaded with Dice Controllers I am going to not play Darkside.
You shouldn't be so quick to make a bet on a random roller because in the long run you will lose. I never thing of going on the don't just because no one is making the 5-count. I actually consider it being my lucky day ! - I don't have to bet on anyone! You need to think that you are going to the casino to make money on YOUR throw, not on anyone else. Any excuse to not bet on a shooter is a good excuse Good luck! Dom
:)))) - I got to smile.with all due respect, I don't advise to bet the way you are betting at all. First never hedge. By hedging you are making a bet against a bet where you have an advantage. Next, what not use the 5-count. It will eliminate 53% of all shooters at the table. Remember that any bet you make on a random roller has a negative edge to it. Yes, sometimes you will win with what you are doing, but if you kept records, I am sure that you have lost in the long run. Practice your throw and put big money when you are throwing because if you practice YOU will have an edge over the casino. Dom
I'm about 10 seconds away from giving up betting wrong forever. Now I've been a dyed in the wool wrong bettor since the early 80's. It seems to me the times you have a big win are so far and few between that it appears way easier for the right bettors and place bettors to have a big win. Almost every single night within several hours the dice will get hot more than once and my hours of grinding will get wiped out. If 3 of 5 consecutive players get hot, even smelling the word chase I won't win for the nite. Wrong betting requires way way WAY too much capital to make it profitable and reasonable to recover your losses. Even if you parlay the come out craps rolls that you win on the Don't Pass, as Grafstein has suggested, thats a small consolation for a subsequent Natural(7 or 11) will wipe out your entire parlay(that guys off his rocker btw) idk man, it really does seem easier for the others.
Here is the thing - Most don't players, and I stress MOST don't realize that the casino edge on the don't is almost EXACTLY the same as t he edge on the pass - Don't pass/come = House Edge 1.41% ....... pass/come = House Edge 1.4%. As you can see the difference is .01%. Remember this statement - "The way to win more money is to learn to lose less money". So how do we lose less money? Answer: We don't bet on everyone and we learn the GTC throw so we have an edge over the house. Question: How do we determine who to bet on? Answer: Use a mathematically proven method - the 5-count which will eliminate 57% of the shooters at the table. There is you answer on what I suggest. Do me a favor - take the next 20X's you go to the casino - use your method for 10 sessions and then use the Golden Touch method for 10 Sessions. I promise you that you will be bettor off and you can prove it for yourself Dom
Golden Touch Craps Ok what I'm trying to say is I I watched a few of your videos and it seems to me that my problem is my fingers spread apart all the time when throwing 'em to the end of the table you say keep your fingers together when you're setting the dice and throwing 'em down l. What's a good way to learn to keep them together? Is it just hours of practice? Thank you sir
Thanks - I understand your question - it is practice and here is a little practice trick to use. This came from one of my students and it is great! Take two toothpicks and put one between your index and middle finger and the other between your middle finger and ring finger. Now pick up the dice holding those toothpicks and throw them. You should be able to throw them without the toothpicks from falling from your fingers. This will help you in practice to keep your fingers together Dom
Golden Touch Craps Oh nice touch sounds good. I'm headed to Vegas in 8 days (37th time overall) and have been watching craps videos live craps play for about 2 weeks straight and found that yours are the best. I wish you'd put out some live play stuff. Just wish i could get to one of those seminars. Well we'll see how this works this time. Much appreciated Sir
\thanks for the kind words Southwesttexasm. Sign up for our news letter because every now and then we do run specials on our seminars and maybe that will help you in attending one. Good luck in Vegas and let us know how it went. Remember to use the 5-count as it will save you money! Dom
I am just saying, but WHY wait for someone to roll five times before you start betting? The odds are the same no matter what. Over a million rolls, the odds of getting any number is the same. Over a million rolls, the 7 will come up once every six times. It doesn’t matter if you wait or not. It’s like playing Roulette and noticing that the ball has landed on a red number the last ten times and you bet black because black has to come up sometimes. Well, it doesn’t. My video. “Craps is a fun casino game. But realize what to play. Play the Pass Line or Don’t Pass with maximum odds. Play the Come or Don’t Come with odds. Place the 6 and 8. The Pass/Come/Don’t Pass/Don’t Come and 6 and 8 place is about a 1.5 percent edge for the House. If you are on a dollar table and play one dollar on pass and play a $100 bucks just on that one bet, over a million rolls, you will walk away with about $98.50. Ok? Don’t play Hardways, or the Prop Box. Horrible edge for the House. If you are lucky to be up, ah, screw it, throw away a $1 or $5 on a Yo-11 bet. About a 12 percent vig but WTF. But don’t mess with it.” All the so called strategies are shit and laughable on their face and it’s the casinos that pays these guys to put their videos on RU-vid.
First, no reason to use vulgar language. Second you are right, over an infinity number of rolls the 7 will show ever 6 rolls. But that isn't the point to this video. This video never says that you can beat the casino using the 5-count. What it does say is that by using the 5-count you will eliminate 57% of the shooters at the table and only be betting on them 43% of the time, and by using a comebet after the 5-count chances are great that the 7 will show, (like you and I stated) and win your comebet. All this video is for to help eliminate shooters at the table so you are not betting on everyone. Craps can not be beat by any kind of a betting system and we state that very clearly. Only by trying to eliminate the 7 once every 36 rolls can this game be beat. Good luck! Dom
@@leonandrews7180 I have been to this mans seminar, he's a very genuine person and a great guy to sit down and have a conversation about the game of craps. Maybe you should choose your words a little better until you actually meet someone in person and can make that judgment
The edge on the don't is 1.4 and the edge on the pass is 1.41 --- basically the same edge. So you are making a bet that has the same edge, versus waiting the 5-count and then putting out a comebet which has a POSITIVE 1.4 edge in your favor Good luck! Dom
I am always amassed about our educational system in that how little reading and hearing comprehension people have. No where in this video do I state about counting outcomes. I state counting ROLLS and all I am saying and it is proven mathematically with over 300 billion simulations that we ran that if people would just wait 5 rolls, ( with some variations that is described in this video), you will not be be betting on 57% of the shooters at a table which is a good thing because you WILL NOT LOSE on those people with short rolls. Don't be so quick like so may people are ata table to immediately put a pass line bet down with EVERY new shooter. Good luck! Dom
When the shooter has made the point...Do you keep your come bet odds on or off on the following come out roll? Obviously keeping it on keeps your edge low but the house automatically turns it off so do you prefer to tell the dealer to keep the odds working? 7 of course knocks them all down. Thank you for your reply!
You want to always act like a regular player so keep them off. If the shooter throws a 7 and the odds are returned to you, think of it like a Christmas present. If he rolls a number and then throws a 7 you would have lost all those odds. So keep them off and if a 7 comes and they are returned, just start all over again with comebets. Always remember that you are not there to make money on a random shooter. The 5-count is there to eliminate 53% of the shooters before you make a bet Dom
It avoids those random rollers When you're at a craps table there are shooters who seven out right away and there are those who are controlled shooters it's a good way to scout the table
paul patane Kind of late replying to this, but what wasn't mentioned in the video is that this method will allow you to log a lot more time on the tables. Say you typically play for an hour it will more than double that time. The reason that is good is because comps work based off of hours at the tables, not by how much you bet. The more time you put in at the tables the more you will get in comps.
$30 place bet on '5' or'9' pays $42 (house skims $3). $10 come bet with $20 odds pays $40. $30 place bet on '6' or '8' pays $35 (house skims one whole fucking dollar) $10 come bet with $20 odds pays $34. $30 buy bet on '4' or '10' pays $59 (house skims one whole fucking dollar). $10 come bet with $20 odds pays (drum roll......................................) $50. And , AND my place bets (and buy bets) don't get wiped out by passline winner seven! And AND craps numbers don't lose me $10 because I don't make come bets. (The gauntlet that come bettors must trudge through, seven out, craps, passline winner seven.) You exist to stroke people's egos.
if you spend all my time perfecting dice control ....WHY would you even entertain the thought of betting on a random thrower instead of just betting on yourself? This makes no sense
That's true. If you can get away at a casino by not betting on a random roller you will save yourself a lot of money. But, most casinos will hassle you at a full table if you are not betting on anyone else. The 5-count is the best method to use Good luck! Dom
so tell me what happens when the shooter say rolls an 8 on the come out roll then a 4 then say a 5 and then an 8. Now he comes out again and rolls a 7. then a 6 ( which would be the 5th box# ) do you make a bet or do you start the count over again because the 6 is his point. Also when he does make his 5th box number which say is a 5. I like to play the 6 and 8 for 12 dollars and if he hits one of the #s take them both down to 6 each and make a profit of 2 dollars and now you are playing with house money instead of going through the come
The 7 was on the 5th roll so as far as the 5-count that is considered the 4 count and holding - holding until the shooter rolls a box number like you said the 6 - and then you make a bet. The best bet to make after the 5-count is a comebet - why - because on the very next roll you have an edge over the house. That is the power of the come bet. Placing the 6/8 after the 5-count immediately gives you a NEGATIVE edge of 1.5%. Remember that really all we are doing is bidding our time till we get the dice. If you win on a random roller you are lucky because in the long run you will lose. Bet a comebet, take odds and wait till you get the dice. Also remember that you want to bet LESS on a random roller that you bet on yourself. Dom
Unreliable shooters? Bet on one number, if it hits either collect it or pick a second number to place. Don't press it yet, why? He hasn't proved he can repeat yet. Much less costly.
I know Dom is one of the best dice controllers. But it's hard to take betting advice that deals with the worst bet on the table other than prop bets. The Come is a horrible bet as soon as your Come transfers to a box number, the edge shifts entirely to the house. It's only benefit is a one roll protection against the 7. And that one roll protection is nulified by it becoming a contract bet once it's on a box number. If you like playing a repeater strategy, then why not just do the 5 count, then make a place bet on whatever number hits next? a 5 unit bet pays 35$, which you can immediately regress to one unit when it hits. Now you've made money on the shooter, and you can continue to press and collect if the shooter is hot. I get why you would combine come bet with 5 count. Odds are to roll a 7 one in every 6-7 rolls, so odds are good that you'll catch a 7 while you're on the Come bar and win. But odds are just as good or better that you can get one hit on a random shooters first roll when the game is on, and then regress.
You can't argue the math of the game. With just 1X odds on a come bet you are taking the house edge down to .87% under 1 % the house edge on placing the 6/8 is 1.5 %. I am not going to go back and forth on this because we can argue politics or religion, but you no one can argue that 2 +2 = 4. I will make it easy, the dealers are there to promote the worst bets on the table ... center bets ... and repeater bets and such ....... you will never hear a dealer ask the table if anyone wants a come bet! Why, because it is the best bet to make because it has the LOWEST house edge Good luck! Dom
@@Goldentouchcraps Thanks for the insight into why you recommend Come bet. Definitely cannot argue the math of the game, that's why I avoid come bets like the plague, I prefer better mathematical bets. Betting aside, I hope I can make it down for one of your dice courses one day. Take care.
@@MisterMechanicV LOL - You say you cannot argue the math, but you say you avoid come bets like the plague. Give me one bet on the table that has a lower house edge than a come bet with just 1X odds. good luck Dom
@@Goldentouchcraps feel free to re-read my original post. If your come bet makes it to a box number(as it will roughly 5 of every 6 times), it becomes a bet with an edge shifted to the house significantly. It only gets such a great HE calculation due to it's one roll 7 protection. If you're going by pure odds, the number that has hit already, is about the least likely number to hit again. Based on the math, come bets are a losing bet when betting from roll 1 on a shooter. This is where I would like to know more about your ideas on combining the Come with a 5 roll prequalification. Is the goal to essentially win most of your first come bets by the shooter rolling a 7 on his/her 6th roll? Based on what I'm reading so far, it appears that you might be ranking it as a mathematically logical bet purely because of the odds it pays?? In which case, if you're going to make a bet that only becomes profitable on a hot shooter, then why not just bet passline odds on the point every time?
@@MisterMechanicV With all due respect Victor, because you seem to be a person that really wants to learn, you are so wrong on so many of the things you just wrote. I am sorry that I don't have the time to write it all out, but I tell you what, if you email me your email address, I will give you a FREE 6 month subscription to our forum where I will post all. my email address is below Just one example - you said " If you're going by pure odds, the number that has hit already, is about the least likely number to hit again." Wrong - every roll of the dice is an independent roll, what has happened in the past has nothing to do what will happen in the future when it comes to rolling dice, unless you are trying to control the dice. A number that has just rolled has the same probability of rolling again - 1 - 36. I respect your questions though Good luck Dom @ goldentouchcraps . com
Remember that the 5-count is not a positive betting method. There isn't any betting method that can give you a positive advantage over the casino. BUT - we all needs ways to eliminate shooters and the 5-count is a mathematically proven way to eliminate 57% of all shooters at the tables so your money is at risk less. Also remember to bet less after the 5-count on random rollers than you bet on yourself initially. Tip toe in after the 5-count Good luck! Dom
Golden Touch Craps thanks I tried the 5 count and it works pretty good. I was able to bet very little on random shooters without losing much money. The only thing I don’t like about the come bet though is that I can’t my money down after the point is established
@@education654321 You have got to remember that what you are doing using comebets instead of place bets after the 5-count is bringing the edge of the bet down to almost 0% when you put odds on the bet. Even with only 1X odds you are bringing the casino edge on the bet down to .85% - less than 1%. If you place either the 6 or 8, the casino edge is 1.5%. And that is not considering the initially when you put out that comebet after the 5-count the almost 2% positive edge you have because of the 7 or 11 showing Good luck Dom
So how many come bets should I do on a random shooter. I think in the video you said one and just wait till you hit your point but I’m just trying to make sure.
@@education654321 Here is the way I play and how I suggest all my students play on a random roller after the 5_count, and I do so appreciate your question because it is a good one - The first thing you MUST realize that you will NOT make money on a random roller in the long run. Yes, you might get LUCKY and be at a table where a random roller has a 45 minute roll and what I am going to tell you will make you money, but you got to have in your mind that you are there to make money on your roll because you have practiced and NOT on a random roller. You must understand that! OK, here goes - After the 5-count put out one come bet and take what ever odds you can afford. Now here is the hard part, but not hard if you understand and have the discipline to know that what I said above is true - You stay there with that one comebet until it hits. When it does hit, you replace it with another comebet. You don't increase to a second comebet until you have made two collections. Now I know what I am saying is hard to do if a person is rolling and rolling and you are sitting there with that comebet and it just might be an outlier. OK - if you can't just stand there, (BTW, I have just stood there and never put out another bet), then wait maybe 5 -7 rolls after you put out that initial comebet and go out with another. This is the thing - you will never in the long run make money on a random roller - you WILL make money on your roll so you want to protect your buy in. I do so appreciate your question and your willingness to learn to become a profitable craps player. if you ever want to attend a seminar- give me a call, remind me about this question that you posted and I will give you a discount on an seminar. Good luck! Dom
The only bets to bet on in craps is: pass or dont pass with free odds and come and don't come with free odds. All other bets is sucker bets. Systems? Hedging? Insurance? There is no such things in the casino games. Stick to the low percentage bets and if you win you win. If you lose, you lose, but it will not hurt your wallet more than your bank roll.
What do you mean it doesn't work. The 5-count does exactly what I state it does - eliminate 57% of the shooters at the table so your money is only at risk 43% of the time. There isn't a method of betting that will make you a winner since all bets carry a negative edge to them. All we can do is try to eliminate players to bet on and then also learn to control the dice when we are shooting Good luck! Dom
The casinos make their money on the math of the game. We need to make our money by throwing the math right back at them. Have you ever heard a dealer ask the table if anyone wants a comebet? Have you ever heard a dealer ask the table if anyone wants a hardway, or any craps? The answer to the first question is no and the answer to the second question is yes. Now why is this - because of the math. Comebets carry the LOWEST edge on the table and the casinos do not want to promote then. Center bets carry the HIGHEST edge and they do want to promote them. A place bet on the 6 has a 1.5% edge against the player, a comebet with only 3X odds has a house edge of only .47% - less than a half percent. That is a one percent difference in case you couldn't do the math. To win more money at the casinos you need to learn to loss less money. You loss less money by making the LOWEST edge bets you can make and that is comebets. I am not going to get into the insane arguments that un-knowledgeable people say about comebets. I have discussed that in previous comments on RU-vid on my videos. What I will say is this, before making comments learn that math of whatever game you want to play and when playing that game make the lowest house edge bets you can make. Good luck Dom
Golden Touch Craps if a seven-out is undesirable, if the money returned on a seven out(by a come bet) is but a fraction of the rest of the money LOST on place bets and/or prior COMEBETS with odds as well as line bet (and odds) then take that seven-out come win and hand it to the cocktail waitress,(because it's meaningless). Next, ole Mr ace-duece and his brothers high-low take some of that comebet money off your hands. The only good thing that can result from a come bet is YO ELEVEN. And there's passline winner seven whilst multiple come bets get wiped out. (OH NO, NOW I GOTTA WAIT TO MAKE SEVERAL MORE COMEBETS TO GET MY NUMBERS BACK.) it's the snake that eats it's own tail, come bets are for suckers. I think the casinos pay you to create more narcissistic players who suck at math. I know the math, on a $12 six or eight, the house is skimming .40¢, on a $10 five or nine they get you for a whole dollar, on a $10 four or ten they get you for $2. The best odds is not to play at all. But if you must play, press the shit out of your numbers with money you can afford to lose, as any number can be rolled 10 times or more before a seven. Why miss out on 6 place bets on horn numbers? And lastly, if the whole game of craps changed to include horn numbers as place bets on EVERY table, would you or would you not make those bets? Of course you would.
Golden Touch Craps if come bettors really believed in what they were doing they would work their odds on the opening roll, and if you don't do that then don't make come bets AT ALL!!!!!!!
You can put a dollar amount on a $12 six, but that dollar amount is 1.5% and 3X odds on a comebet is .47%. Either play the math or don't O don't care, but I will not go back and forth on something that is simple for most to understand - Do I make a bet that carries a 1.5% edge against me or a bet that carries a .47% edge against me? Let me see, I would rather lose more money. Jezzz. The math is the math - do with it as you will Good luck Dom
Golden Touch Craps one of my favorite scenarios to watch is shooter makes his point, after 4 or 5 come bets have been allocated but not yet won. Next roll pass line winner seven. All COMEBETS lost, they saved their odds because they don't believe in what they are doing. Next roll, shooter comes out on a new point, takes odds makes come bet, next roll craps 12 $10 lost, new come bet next roll 3 another $10 lost, and then followed by 4, 9, 8. Come bets with odds for each number just said. Now before what I say happens next, the shooter has rolled the dice 13 times and has lost 6 come bets, and has won one bet (his point with odds, the passline winner seven was a net loss). He has lost more than he has won. Next roll of course is seven out, 4 more losing bets and one last 'win' on a come bet on a seven out. I get immense joy out of watching this, because these people refuse to think for themselves and listen to the 'experts'. Shooter picks up his $10 come bet win and hands it to the cocktail waitress. (No he didn't, he actually said to himself mentally, at least I got SOME OF IT BACK). the cheap bastard.
5 count? I'm more like 2-3 count....then come bet on random player...most random players 7 out in 2-3.....then I get paid... 2-3 count works for me.....
use the dc margintal system on each shooter for example bet dc one shooter #1 if you win wait until next shooter if you lose wait until next shooter then double your dc bet and so on and so on yes dice will get streaky and on a roll but ive never seen on a cold table of 7 or more people every body hit on there first roll at least two or three people will crap there first roll so the thinking here is instead of using the margintal system on dc for an entire roll of a shooter we just take our lost and double up on the next shooter with a bank roll of $630 you can bet 7 shooters out meaning 7 shooters in a row would have to either hit there point or rolles 7 or 11 on the come out roll,play this way and secure a $5 profit everytime you win,its long its boaring but will pay off,the trick to this strategy is simply finding cold tables,perhaps watch the dice go around once before choosing a table on cold table shooters on first rolls half them should crap out and not hit 7 or 11 on come out or even hit a point,on hot tables either one or two shooters are hiting alot of numbers or almost everyone is atleast hiting one point avoid these tables and beat the craps game.Good Luck!
It doesn't make a difference to us if he makes his point in the middle of the 5-count..... That is just a box number to us. So no, you do not start over. The next number would be the 4 count. Hope you understand and use the 5-count. It works great in saving you money! Good luck! Dom
@@Goldentouchcraps Wow that was a super fast reply! Also, I was unclear about not increasing the number of bets... After hitting that 9 a second time, would you not play another come bet? I couldn't tell if you were saying don't play multiple come bets at once, or only play once per point. Hopefully my question makes sense.
@@golls17 Thank you! Well let me see if I do understand by saying this - you will always replace a winning comebet with another new comebet. if you are conservative wait for 3 collections on a random roller before you go to 2 comebets, if aggressive wait for 2 collections. After that - do what you think is best and how it is going for you Good luck! Dom
@@Goldentouchcraps awesome that answered it. Hopefully last question... You place a come bet and shooter rolls a crap. Do you place another come bet because it's still the same point? I'm guessing the answer is yes, but want to be sure
