Winds of Winter Predictions: Stoneheart 

You guys have no idea the extent we went through to raise Stoneheart from her watery grave. But now she has awakened to seek her vengeance! Apologies for the slightly lower quality in this episode we have severe rendering issues with this one! I apologize for the slightly blurry quality of this one.

Michelle Fairley would have been a BAD ASS stoneheart... Probably the biggest cut character/storyline imo

Personally I would love Lady Stoneheart to have a reunion with Littlefinger.

The sad detail about Lady Stoneheart's appearance is her damaged hair imo. The Tully auburn hair are said to be beautiful in the books iirc, and she has lost even that - it's very interesting considering the sociological importance hair tend to have, especially for women. We even see it in-story with the Dothrakis and their bells in the braids, or the Meereenese styling their hair in extravagant shapes. But even one of Catelyn's prettiest physical attributes, her beautiful auburn hair, have been lost. I don't why, but this part of her physical description really saddened me the first time I read it. Now, the only thing that really allows other people to properly identify her as Catelyn Tully is her hatred of the Frey and Jaime. There's nothing else. Damn thinking about it all makes me tear up, it's so depressing. Edit: regarding her children, she also embodies the motto of her own family: Family, Duty, Honour. The guilt you suspect would be clearly tied to that: she could perceive a personal failure in her duty to her family, which led to a dishonorable death. Even though she repeatedly warned Robb about Walder Frey, and was furious when he broke the arrangement they had with the Frey, because she knew it'd mean bad shit for them.

"they had so many opportunities to show [lady stoneheart] in the show" and instead D&D pissed all over the fans and GRRM's story by showing the Hound literally pissing into the river. smh

Jaime did not kill his own cousin in the books that was a show only thing

Maybe one silver lining in this Corona Virus disaster is that, George RR Martin will have to stay at home and write!

I agree: I think Jaime will be used to capture Riverrun or, perhaps, gain entry to the Twins where mass carnage will ensue. There, maybe in the chaos of Lady Stoneheart's massacre of the Freys, both will escape or Lady Stoneheart will expire. Also, in the forums online, most people have pointed out that Ice was melted down into two swords: Oathkeeper (Oathbreaker/False Friend) and Widow's Wail--which seem to be symbolical linked to Ned and Catelyn Stark respectively.

By announcing the plan to kill Jamie, it’s almost certain he will live.

As soon as Stoneheart failed to show up in season 4 I knew GOT was doomed. No exaggeration. To make such a colossal error as to cut what is by far one of the most extreme, wondrous, and earth-shattering twists in the entire story is inexcusable and immediately revealed D&D to be sub-par showrunners

The best way to get through Corona Spring Break XL 2020.... this series.

Jaime didn't kill his cousin. That only happened in the show.

I need to read again the books and erase the show from my memory. Thank you so much guys for this series. I am so excited for the new book WoW. I hope we can read it soon :)

This storyline is the most mysterious to me as I really can't puzzle out where this particular plot is going, which makes it all the more intriguing.

I wonder if Dondarrion's final act wasn't selfless or merciful at all, but what he thought was a way to escape. But what if he was wrong? What if instead of freeing his soul he is now trapped with what ever was left of Catelyn to create Stoneheart, a soul consuming eternal flame that grows more powerful every time it enters a new host?

If I’m not mistaken Brienne’s arm is broken on top all the other injuries sustained with biter. Not sure how her character Arc can continue in the time frame we have left, I think she’s on the chopping block, somehow dying for/in place of Jamie. GRRM will be cutting POV’s to condense the story for ADOS.

Can't wait to see the North story lines represented by this series of predictive videos. The videos thus far have been awesome, but I've definitely most been looking forward to Stannis and the Battle of Ice, Mance Rayder, Wyman Manderly, the rescue mission on Skagos, etc. Winterfell right now is at least as intriguing as Old Town and Meereen, at least in my opinion.

That dream Jaime Had in a ASOS right before saving Brienne in Harrenhal was in a cave remember? Maybe Was some foreshadowing for the Winds.

oh my god that intro gave me PTSD from the intro to "The Bells", you know that pathetic tactic they used to try to convince us that it's totally within character for Daenerys to murder a million innocent civilians for no reason whatsoever. It made me shudder.

Ok let me clear it up: Podrick was hung, they were hanged...

Stoneheart's inaudible speech, as a result of her throat being slashed and therefore needing the Brotherhood to translate, can be contrasted with the Other's speech who sound like crackling ice and therefore bringing it back to the theme of Fire and Ice.

My favorite valyrian steel sword is dark sister.

Human bites are disgusting.. my grandpa had a bite on his arm from decades ago and it would still flair up or break out randomly. Don’t bite people it’s gross.

We learn in the Varimyr chapter that the "soul" leaves the body upon death, seems to me that the wights are the body without the "soul" that is reanimated, and with the fire wights it's their fiery emotions that animates them, and that is why they are lesser and lesser. It's like the emotion stays and calls the "soul" back, but the longer the body has been dead the more the "soul" has become a part of the world. Could also be why the kiss of life doesn't always work, unless some big burning emotion is there, there is nothing to animate you. Ps. I think the show has muddied the waters a lot, we are told by Thormund that every night new wights are raised from those that die of hypothermia or starvation/sickness, but I really doubt that white walkers are going through the camps raising people. I think that it's a remnant of the magic that created the white walkers that is raising the dead. It also seems to be related to proximity,it's more potent now, but it's implied that the dead rose even when the white walkers were inactive.

It would definitely be a very Arthurian nod if Azor Ahai (whether that be Jamie, Brienne, or another character) had to pull "lightbringer" from Stoneheart's stone of a heart to set it alight. I could definitely see GRRM doing that. As, you said, she is a fire wight now and Beric could set his sword on fire using his blood. Plus it was said that Nissa Nissa's "blood, soul, strength, and courage" all went into lightbringer to light it aflame. If Stoneheart was killed I could see her passing on her "kiss of life" and fire to the sword. I do hope that she gets the knowledge that her children are still alive before that happens though. I could see Stoneheart even sacrificing herself if she knew that even one of her children were alive and lightbringer would keep them safe.

The appearance of Lady Stone heart at the end of "A Storm of Swords" was definitely a "what in the world" moment.

I think it's a real shame they didn't use Stoneheart in the show. Michelle Fairley would have fun with that I think.

Personally I think Jon is safe. Berric and Cat are not Wargs while Jon is and probably warged into Ghost.

I like to think that even without Aria influencing her, Nym would still have wanted Cat come chill.

I honestly don't know why, but I'm picturing Lady Stoneheart storming Riverrun with the Brotherhood Without Banners being a lot like Anakin storming the Jedi Temple with the 501st. - both got hoods - both are driven by hatred - both are storming the place they knew of as home for many years of their lives - both become dark shadows of their former selves All we need is Jedi Temple March playing, and you've got a spectacular visual going on lol

I actually see stoneheart as the plot twist after the plot twist. I would never have imagined that cat would be reborn like this pure hatred. I would love to see lady stoneheart and Arya team up in the river lands

That music really adds to Stoneheart's absolutely creepy existence.

This series is so dope. Normally not my type of thing to watch but I've watched every episode within hours of them coming out. Amazing job guys you should definitely team up more or even make a joined channel

So I just realized how much Brienne's fever reinforces her as a "Good Other" archetype, which makes me wonder about how negative her arc could be moving forward. So much of Brienne's story is about keeping oaths, and now she's in a conflict of oaths: her oath to the living Cat to bring back her daughters, her oath to Jaime to do the same, and now a potential oath to Stoneheart to kill Jaime. I wonder if bringing Jeyne Westerling could soothe the savage beast in Stoneheart---appease her enough to make sure that Brienne doesn't fully undermine her former oaths to Cat and Jaime. I do think that at the end of the day, Brienne will be an oathkeeper, like her sword, it just may come about in an unconventional and kind of heartbreaking way. But I'm concerned for what's going on with her and Jaime.

One thing I would like to see is when Cersei is retreating back to Casterly Rock (Aegon takes the throne from her and she's smuggled out of the city by Qyburn) her escort is ambushed by the Brotherhood in the riverlands and Cersei is in the presence of Stoneheart (Jaimie is imprisoned by the Brotherhood at this point) then Stoneheart forces Jaimie to choose who dies Brianne or Cersei.

Jamie didn't kill his cousin in the books. I hate that they added that in the show.

Love this so much and the stone heart arc. I will say the bit about her hair being cut is also a typical trauma response. Your mind typically goes to something frivolous to divert from what's truly happening. It's possible she went to that place of what Ned loved about her to preserve some part of her sanity which is why shes able to laser focus on who has wronged her when she comes back. Stone heart is callous but she does her vengeance in a very calculated and thought out manner.

I love the wolf POVs as well. Jack London actually did that pretty well also, telling the story from an animal’s viewpoint. White Fang is a really great, quick read.

Yay back with audio. I think they'll force them to have a trial by combat. A little proxy war that George loves so much. There will probably be a situation where a third force comes upon the cave. That forces them to scatter. All the Crown aligned forces are hunting for them.

When Stoneheart (Catelyn’s corpse) is floating down the river, the passage says the “(R)eeds bowed down”. Do you think this implies House Reed may eventually come to a call or swear swords for Lady Stoneheart for some cause in TWoW?

I've read this series so many times, and I have genuinely never thought about the fact that the Brienne that turns up in Pennytree might be a wight! Honestly blew my mind. Great video, guys!

If she had stayed in Winterfell, or even done any of the 5 commands Ned gave her when she left King's Landing, perhaps none of this would have happened. She must feel guilt over that.

The only outcomes I can see coming are all 3 living or Stoneheart dying. Jamie and Brienne have too much left to do. Jaime still needs to kill Cersei and Brienne needs to live so she can write Jaime's entry in the White Book (I know that was a show thing, but that seems too perfect for the romantic Martin to pass up).

I think you've missed the trust part. Like how Stoneheart would even have a change of "heart" and give Jaime a quest. She's not Cat that have logic. She's an avatar of vengeance. I can't possibly imagine how Jaime will get out of here. Maybe he could get out (un)alive? I like how you've mentioned Thoros could be the wild card. If the fires reveal that Jaime is needed in the coming great war, maybe... just maybe. There is hope for him.

Agreed, I've always wanted/hoped that Lady Stoneheart would be the one to deliver retaliation/vengeance to the Freys + Boltons....bc holy 💩 how epically terrifying for them would that be??! What if Stoneheart is the reason Jaime is compelled to eventually kill Cersei? 😯 (I believe Jaime to be the valonqar, not Tyrion)

This is the best ASOIAF content there is. You two are chocolate and peanut butter. Quality shit.

as I'm sure you've been told already, that is not a 'ghost'. that's what's called a Revenant. a ghost can only haunt. a revenant can avenge.

Loved the idea that Breanna the beauty is secretly already a wight. What would be really cool is if they don’t reveal it till way down the line when she is fighting the others or something and something happens where she should have died but you find out she’s safe because she already died or something probably something to do with the cold

I want Arya to meet Stoneheart, i want her to realize what hatred and wish for vengence does to people. Then i want her to kill her mother out of mercy, give up revange, and lead brotherhood.

Thank you guys so much, these are so so so so great. And you Quinn were on fire this upload. Best ASOIAF youtube content in years.

you guys are great! thank you for this deep dive into Stoneheart.

I think Thoros will save Jamie. He is very clearly not comfortable with what the Brotherhood Without Banners has become. And there's already a sign his disagreement with this has cost him. He was Berrick's right hand. Now he's the dungeon guard? And Lemoncloak seems to be Stoneheart's right hand. He and Jamie know each other reasonably well. Jamie was by Robert's side constantly and Thoros was Robert's favourite drinking buddy. If Thoros believes Jamie has changed, even if Stoneheart doesn't, he might get him out at the cost of his own life. And think about it, who would know that maze of tunnels better than Thoros, a founder of the Brotherhood?

These videos are the light in the darkness that is self-quarantine. Cheers fellas.

the epiloge in a storm was one of the best things i have ever read.. catelyn is one of the best and smartes Pov characters in a storm.. she know how the politics work, how the people work

Didn’t they miss the most obvious foreshadowing in the scene where Catelyn gets pulled out of the water? "The reeds bowed down before it" It being Stonehearts body.

Man this channel is churning out content left and right. I can barely keep up! Keep up the good work guys. I'm so glad I discovered your channels after the show ended. I felt kinda burned by the show but after seeing your analysis of the books, it got me to read them gaining a better appreciation for them.

I'm so excited for this series. I've definitely missed asoiaf videos. Thank you guys so much for this content

If I'm going with my gut, I would have to say that I think Brienne is going to save Jaime by betraying Stoneheart in the same fashion as Jaime betrayed the Mad King. But I really want all three to survive just to see some reactions. Arya, Sansa, Littlefinger, Jon and even Blackfish, all reactions would be amazing!

Jamie will help get lady stoneheart to twins and get her revenge by turning everyone into ghosts

If Stoneheart wants revenge on those responsible for the red wedding she better keep a noose for herself

Brienne saves Jamie right as he’s dying by thrusting Oathkeeper into Lady Stone Heart. Thoros brings Jamie back to life after seeing Oathkeeper take fire.

Love you both and all y’all collabs my absolute faves!!

Just found your channel and absolutely loving it! Considered picking up the books again while we’re all stuck in. Cheers guys, keep up the good work!

Not only are these vids just fascinating as all hell, but sometimes you make me laugh so hard I’m cryin.

It’s so good to see the humour and rapport between you two :)

Finally , thank you , this is what I was waiting for

In Show, Jaime Bronn goes to Dorne for Myrcella... But may be it mirrors in the Books with Jaime Brienne going to Vale for Sansa ??? ✨

this is really my favorite combo on m youtube for book content you guys are dope

Thank you both for these videos! In light of recent events, they're a very welcome distraction. ❤❤❤

It's a pleasure to hear you two talk. Thank you so much for these! Xx

I’ve only read the first two books (I’ve seen the entire show)and you two are making me want to continue on NOW. I don’t want to be like everyone else and wait for book 6, damnit! Quit making awesome videos.

Thank you guys for delivering this high quality content every day. It’s been a well needed distraction from all the coronavirus induced anxiety I’ve been having, not to mention refreshing my brain for WoW.

I don't ask for much I want Jaime an Brienne to survive an live happily together. Two literally broken people who make a whole.

Great deep dive into Stoneheart , certainly one of many omissions with the show that I did not care for , especially such a horror element that GRRM likes to include and just a super intriguing character / arc overall. Definitely will be interesting to see where we go with LS , personally I do not think at their next encounter between LS , Brienne & Jaime will result in any deaths , I just think they all have their own arcs to fulfill a bit further before any type of interruption. Clearly in LS' perspective it does not look good , most of the optics with Brienne and Jaime which I think will result in a quest of proving worth and loyalty. And It does seem much more likely and satisfying that LS will be the one to exact vengeance upon the Freys , just works much better than any other possibility. In terms of her purpose and arc , it does not seem to go much further beyond revenge on the Freys and learning of her children' fates , most of which should be alive and accounted for upon her hearing it , at which point it will be interesting to see how her arc ends. I personally do not subscribe to this she will just fade away once she knows her children are okay theory that some perpetuate. Of course it would be dark and twisted although could be construed as "mercy" and Arya is on the dark and twisted path anyway if she is the one to kill Stoneheart but even for Arya that is a bit extreme. Personally hope it comes from Jaime and Brienne hatching a plan and slaying LS together with their Valyrian steel swords in a figurative reforging / coming together of Ice , that could be an interesting and poetic way if it transpires in such a manner. Either way , very curious and eagerly anticipate to see how LS' arc unfolds in the books and for me it does seem she will have to be taken out at some point , as she is and will further become an out of control abomination that will need to be stopped.

I love this series you two are doing. Gets me so hyped for twow. Hopefully we will get it one day

I think that because there is another book, besides winds of winter, that they'll all live. Jamie may convince stoneheart that he's changed. It would be nice to have all three still be alive after the cave confrontation.

You two together are Amazeballs

Lmao the “talking about LiGhTbRiNgEr” edit was gold.

You guys are doing great stuff, keep it going!!!!

Nice, It is amazing how you fluidly interact guys! I always repeat your content and now I get the idea from this talking. First time hearing the background on how Brienne, Jaime and Lady Stoneheart may get a deal

The crazy thing is that ALL her other kids are alive. Contrary to what she thinks.

I dont think we will see the scene in the cave with all three of them, we will only se how it affected the charecters (or any sidequests they are sent on) George got a lot of practice on writing about the past through the present when he tried out the 5 year gap, and he famously "never throws things away"

That quote about the tapestries is one of my favorites in the entire series. "“Father had only gone out to ransom Petyr Pimple. He brought them the gold they asked for, but they hung him anyway.” “Hanged, Ami. Your father was not a tapestry.”

Jon warging into ghost shows he can live outside his body for quite a while without causing any harm to his soul or mind. We havent seen a warg brought back, it seems likely it would be different than a normal person.

I’m hoping a quest for Jamie and brianne to go get Sana’a out of the vale. Arya shows up from bravos and Jamie gives her widows wail. Ice is back into stark hands. Brianne with oathkeeper as sansa sworn shield and Arya with widows wail. That would be cool.

Man, these recaps are so, so good. It's been 5yrs since I've read some books

love these videos, great content.

Thanks for the videos. It's good to remember how much better the books are.

Maybe they have to duel with flaming swords in the cave to see who lives and dead one would be brought back to life..

Thanks for putting these brilliantly informative videos together, guys! So many things I've forgotten about which means that I MUST go back and read the books again. Only frustrates me so much how D&D couldn't even think to bring some of these ideas to the screen. So f'n short-sighted they are! 😡 Show could still be going too!

If Jamie does and is resurrected and becomes vengeful, he possibly tracks down Cersei to fufill the valinqar

One time, i accompanied my family on a leisurely drive up in the hills. I had my headphones in listening to the audiobooks. My dad told me I could hook up to the cars bluetooth and I said no, I'm listening to game of thrones, they wouldn't be interested, yadda yadda. But he said it's fine and insisted I play it aloud. And that's the story of how I listened to the red wedding with my entire family 🙃

I would also like to see a video of daenerys visions in the house of the undying and other dreams and how they may foreshadow what is to come

'What's you favorite sword Quinn?' "Ice....... because its dead now." careful not to cut yourself on that EDGE!

Guys I always imagined Stonheart killing Littlefinger. I always thought it would end like a horror movie. With Stonheart stalking him through a castle (not sure which, riverrun?). Then when she catches him Petyr recognizes her and completely freaks. And Stoneheart knowing that he is responsible for so much of her suffering, makes him suffer before killing him brutally somehow.

50 minutes analysis of Lady Stoneheart? Yes please!!!!

What if Sansa aka Alayne “Stone”, somehow makes it near Lady Stoneheart? I mean, Sansa is the person all three people are looking for, right? Lady Stoneheart, Brianne and Jamie are looking for Sansa...and now that she’s known as a “Stone”...I dunno 🤷🏻‍♀️ I feel something is there

whoa: lml: great catch on the stoneheart/oathkeeper parallel.

LOVED IT. WORTH THE WAIT!!!

Nice long episode. This makes me happy. 🍻