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Jeff Grosso's Loveletters to Skateboarding - The Freestyle Conspiracy.
Basically a Love Letter to the OG street guys. Some people have been floating the idea that freestylers invented street skating. This episode of Love Letters will tell the other side of the story. The guys who made the tricks look cool and fun are the ones who deserve the credit - Tommy Guerrero, Natas, Gonz, Blender, Lance Mountain, etc.This one will stir up some controversy in the comments section.
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@destroybabylon420 8 лет назад

the gonz's voice will never change lol

@alexbeardsley751 8 лет назад

stole the words from my head

@Mordorer 8 лет назад

"How'd you get here? Skated. What are you doing? Skating. How you getting home? Skate." Perfect.

@cheothegeo2742 5 лет назад

Who do you have sex with? Skateboards. What kinda porn U watch? Skate porn :D

@danielbenson6407 4 года назад

7:21

@esojaloerra174 4 года назад

Amen.

@esojaloerra174 4 года назад

May we all be able to skate the streets again. Lord willing 🙏

@danielbenson6407 4 года назад

@@esojaloerra174 i'm in Australia so I can still skate the streets alone, but skateparks are all closed :( i consider myself lucky i can still atleast go out on my own, otherwise i'd go crazy

@TheRadChannel 9 лет назад

Man, Steve Olson is like a fucking blessing to this Earth!

@loganr7140 9 лет назад

That Indy ad of his was sick af

@benhaney5843 4 года назад

One thing I admired about Mullen was that the dude was ripped like a gymnast. Like when he's skating with his shirt off in that Powell video. It may not be, "cool" he watched what he ate and had or workout regimen or whatever but if you actually want to be the best skater you can be,it doesn't hurt to be in prime physical condition. It may or may not be a sport but its definitely a physical activity.

@MartyMcDonnald 2 года назад

Look at the career he had, and the career those drug heads talking shit ended up having. Same shit with Tony Hawk. Guys hated him just because he was better than everybody else and because he wasn't a damn junkie.

@cultxxdisorder1526 4 года назад

Street skating is in you, you just skate everywhere and everything. It’s the pirate life, no rules, total freedom. Freestyle is like a sport thing, you gear up, warm up, perform, bag your gear and go home. Grosso rules.

@simonvance8054 2 года назад

100%

@denistalbot1829 Год назад

Street and freestyle are basicly the same, you can do frestyle anywhere and don't need anything than a sketeboard, what gear are you talking about ? and it's the same with street get out warm up do your tricks and go home. you are very mindly limited

@shannonandsheila1403 13 часов назад

I agree it truly is, and i had never thought of it that way despite my obvious love of piracy. In the 90s, that is exactly what it was cruising around, causing mayhem the occasional slugout it was great.

@steveperry7799 8 лет назад

" HEAVY DOOBIES"

@kameronnaeole7680 3 года назад

I met Dressen, he's a super nice dude introduced himself to me and everything, humble as can be it was one of my favorite moments of skating!!

@bendyer1465 2 месяца назад

Dressen fuckin rips. Like a pit bull on a skateboard

@RobertNazarov65 4 года назад

We did freestyle in the streets and in games of skate. I had to learn everything stationary first 99% of the time. Love this video it’s a universal argument it can go in any which way and I fully respect learning everyone’s skate philosophy

@That1Guy 6 лет назад

Mark Gonzales your the favored streetstyle competitor can you tell us what streetstyle is all about? “it’s skating on ramps n stuff”

@Painless1992 8 лет назад

I thought I wouldn't comment on this topic even back when I watched this because I respect both Grosso and Mullen equally. I just think Rodney never actually claimed himself, yes he claimed about winning those freestyle contests and maybe quoting others what they supposedly said about him. Sure he published a book, but wasn't it the writer who claimed all those things for him skateboarding retrospective vise? All the interviews I've seen with Mullen, he's pretty humble and usually will not take the credit for it or will give a quote what others supposedly gave him credit for. I fully get and agree that you shouldn't claim anything in skateboarding yourself and should wait till someone else give you credit and wait till it happens. But sometimes it doesn't. And in those cases you should be proud of your creation and influence otherwise like we see nowadays hardflip bs 180 gets called a ghetto bird, no one ever says rick flip etc.

@cfitzg 3 года назад

I recall several times in the MUTT book when recollecting these things Mullen qualifies these statements with "as far as I know" and "on flatground" (the ollie) and time after time is self-effacing about his own style. Never did I get the impression Rodney thinks he invented street skating. I got the impression that he was extremely relieved to learn that he could adapt his freestyle tricks to the new street terrain and style. R.I.P. Grosso; great Skateboarding history that will live on forever here

@juvedoo99 2 года назад

@@cfitzg Rodney would never agree if someone said he invented anything. He’s way too humble and self aware to say he did. In his interview with Phelps, Phelps tries to get Rodney to admit he invented a bunch of tricks and Rodney really didn’t want to agree with Phelps. At the end of the day who cares. We’re freaks at the end of the day

@recession81 2 года назад

Grosso threw Rodney under the fucking bus what a sack of shit

@armin38822 9 лет назад

They can talk as much shit as they want but Rodney Mullen made the ground work. Then Gonz and Natas took it,put their own style into it and made it less ''dorky '' but Rodney gave life to it. I mean ollie,kickflip. What more do you want ? That's it. Game over.

@skate4yah 9 лет назад

I think what grosso is trying to say is the art of riding your board on the streets was not created by freestylers but I do agree with you. Street skating tricks would of maybe never happened if it wasnt from rodney mullen

@armin38822 9 лет назад

Bryan Jose Valbuena people who care about stuff like this now that street skating didn't arrive with rodny mullen or mark gonzales it was here way before them. I'm pretty sure the first skateboarders were street skating. So I really donnt know who is Grosso talking to. people who care to know,know this already and people who don't they just don't.

@loganr7140 9 лет назад

I think the point was that freestyle skating itself has no influence in street. I mean yea Rodney this and that but freestyle in general with the fuckin kick turns and that Mexican named Primo had no influence at all in street and their justa bunch of kooks

@felipebenavides8213 9 лет назад

logan marshall dude, c'mmon. Have you seen per welinder part on ban this? he was doing crazy freestyle shit on the streets. And he was rolling as much as any other street skater back in the late 80's.

@armin38822 9 лет назад

***** he invented the ''ollie '' out of a quarter pipe but Rodney is the one who did it on flat first. It was on the cover of tharasher magazine. And yes there was street skateboarding before and after Rodney but he gave it so much to work with. With so many different tricks that people just had to take what he invented and then make it their own.

@randylawrence504 3 года назад

I don't think Rodney ever claimed to invent street skating. He said that guys took what he did and brought it to a whole new level on the street. But w/o his flat ollie, kickflip, heelflip, tre flip... Skateboarding would not be what it is today. U can't deny that.

@coreygolpheneee 10 месяцев назад

They read a quote from him claiming he invented street skating.

@bradgotch 8 лет назад

Gonz was my hero still is . He was doing what I wanted to do skate anything.

@NinjaLifestyle 9 лет назад

I created both...

@cron205 9 лет назад

NinjaLifestyle black ninja is the shit

@cron205 9 лет назад

he does skateboarding for fun even tho he skate newschool boards but black ninja fits in more with 80's skateboarding then newschool skateboarding

@dondiwhite1 8 лет назад

I like Grosso, he really seems like a cool dude but I never got the impression Mullen claimed to invent street skating. Only that he made up a lot of tricks while freestyling that got taken to the streets by others like Gonz, Natas, Jason Lee etc.

@Palpitacje 4 года назад

@Roger T Groh He never did though.

@Palpitacje 4 года назад

@@thomasgardner3437 He also never claimed that.

@juvedoo99 2 года назад

@@Palpitacje Rodney doesn’t like to claim anything . He’s too humble and self aware to do that. He knows that everything is influenced by something else. It would be arrogant to say he invented street skating

@cbshaw 9 лет назад

Rodney invented the alphabet, then Gonz wrote poetry with the alphabet.

@rasquatch 9 лет назад

cb shaw wrong , even rodney says he copied everything and then built upon it...Gelfand got the ollie that rodney loved but gelfand got his ollie from another florida skater ...so where do the ABCs start....eh, thats probably why we watch the letters

@CT-nb5lm 8 лет назад

What? Ya really need to know skating was hellA a cool B4 Mullen & Rocco started World Industries and Blind.. ---go watch H-street videos. Or Markovich fro the same day.. --Even at his best Mullen wasn't on the same level as any of the elite skaters. Not even close. He just had a u iwhen style that stems from his unique board control from freestyle. --primo and dark slides are not worthy to watch over &'over.. IMO.. -I grew up with Mullen. I was a kid watching the bones brigade and nobody could relate. South Florida from Lauderdale to Orlando to everywhere= skaters weren't weird and dorky like that. -the closest to real skaters was probably Lance Mountain. -Thismis why we attached ourselves to Danny way's style and Matt Hensley. Because they seemed real..

@DouchedByDemocrats 5 лет назад

one of the best comments I've ever seen on a anything anywhere

@bugglemagnum6213 4 года назад

Rodney just invented the alphabet, no language, gonz invented the language and wrote poetry, Rodney couldn't even skate a curb

@earlycuyler2295 4 года назад

Then tony hawk burnt the books and brought in the " new industry" to replace them with the new version of history. If you stood up to the hostile comoditization of skating you were "disappeared" and got no coverage in magazines, televised contests, videos. Tony bought upstick and influence on everything with that espn money.he kept great skayers out of the media and made it so if you ever wanted to make it, you needed his blessing, and tow the party line.

@sadhvacman7238 7 лет назад

I wish he would have said something about Lance not being given some props in the bones brigade documentary like he did later in another video. I personally loved it, but Grosso is dead f-ing right that someone in that video should have said what a great skater he was and still is. Only mention of his contributions to skating were about how he wasn't that good so it made kids want to skate to. And that is straight up bullshit. Lance and Lucero invented all kinds of shit. For Stacy to edit the movie that way and not notice that he needs footage of someone touting Lance's greatness just plain sucks.

@zak-a-roo264 4 года назад

The early LMountain board was a GREAT street and ramp/pool board, I had 3, also had a lucero, very similar weight/balance

@inalavalamp 4 года назад

He does give Lance props, in other episodes, can't remember which ones off the top of my noggin. But he talks about how Lance was the most relatable out of all of them, because he was such a goofball.

@sadhvacman7238 4 года назад

inalavalamp yeah I said he did in another video and on weekend buzz he really went off altogether on Stacy about it.

@inalavalamp 4 года назад

@@sadhvacman7238 Gotcha, yeah. That documentary is rad, but I'm glad Grosso pointed out the flaws to my then 18-year-old self.

@sadhvacman7238 4 года назад

inalavalamp... I was wondering why I even left this comment. Because everybody kinda knew about Jeff being mad about the Bones brigade documentary. Which you’re right was really rad. I think the reason why I felt compelled to comment was because Lance was such a part of street skatings earliest origins with curbs. Along with others like Lucero, Blender, the O’Brien brothers, and others.

@Airik1111bibles 4 года назад

Nata's and Gonz to us skaters in 1987 were freaking HERO'S.... They turned our small towns into skate parks . My first brand new legit board was my Nata's SMA Santa Cruz red dipped panther, all boards before that were deleted from my memory bank. Nocomplys IMO took off cause of Nata's , we all went freaking nuts seeing him skate in Wheels on Fire and Streets on Fire. True street began with Nata's. I wish we could have more reissues with updated adjustments I'd freaking buy them all up TO SKATE not hang .

@wittvonwitt4403 11 месяцев назад

100% agree Natas and Gonz were they guys when I was a kid. Shoot still are!

@thomasminarchickjr.7355 Год назад

Part of what made “street style” a thing was marketing, but it was also due to ramps being torn down and pools closing in the mid 80’s. I think it was a way to let outsiders know that you didn’t need a big ramp or an empty pool to skate. It kept skateboarding going for awhile until the X-Games and all of that made it mainstream again

@evilarmyofdeadness17 7 лет назад

I think Rodney was more or less referring to all the tricks from freestyle skating got adapted street skating and him taking credit for creating a lot of those tricks.

@LotharOfTheHillPeople 7 лет назад

Right? The guy invented the flatground ollie. You can't skate a rail, ledge, stair set, or gap without that. What else is left, fucking slappies? Grosso's off the reservation with his own bitterness fuelled by the fact that he never achieved what his contemporaries did.

@LotharOfTheHillPeople 7 лет назад

DanielBx Right? Rodney is the Robert Johnson of street skating.

@kilo393 6 лет назад

@@LotharOfTheHillPeople Stop saying Rodney invented the ollie.He didn't.He was just the first one to pop his tail when he did an ollie.Tony Hawk said on of these letters that they did try to ollie on flat, but they didn't think about popping their tail so they didn't ollie high enough.I believe that it was the contribution of a whole group of skaters so stop making these claims about Rodney and making out to be someone he is not.The reason modern style skating exists is because people were taking things from different people.Rodney got the ollie from vert and then skaters like Mark Gonzales took it to the streets while Rodney stayed in his own freestyle bubble in a way so he wouldn't have taken all those tricks to the street.Without all those other skaters that were taking his tricks to the street we wouldn't have modern skating.

@cjones5332 4 года назад

@@LotharOfTheHillPeople HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

@recession81 2 года назад

@UCF_2X28jVCZlnrbNxjoIEqA All the drugs and booze kept him away from being that to and now they just threw Rodney under the fucking bus, what a sack of shit

@grakkerful 5 лет назад

These types of coverage always seems to blow over the fact that all the parks closed.

@recession81 2 года назад

Yeah for sure it's like they don't want to accept that the only reason street skating became popular and truly started was because there was not much of a choice

@coreygolphenee9633 2 года назад

@@recession81 they constantly touch on the fact that the park itself was always kind of tied to the gross corporate side of things, it's why they have whole videos dedicated to places like burnside

@morgellon9449 3 года назад

The ollie changed the technique, but not the approach. Lance Mountain was acid dropping off roofs in the early 80's. I'd love to hear some of these full interviews, someday. I wonder if they still have all the full interviews saved. I love how they just cut after Dressen says, "I didn't like freestyle," and he counts off a point he's about to make on his finger. I'd love to hear what he had to say, but I bet it was too controversial. But, dammit, I want to hear it. And all the full interviews with everyone he interviewed over the years. I bet they're amazing.

@ericsandie7405 9 лет назад

that was awesome and spot on skaters have always been street skating, plain and simple. wood and 4 wheels. I hears spank from the little rascals did the grind ever. the original street gangster.

@Bernard-zf6rq 3 года назад

Hahah I’m 22 now and just getting into all these love letters and talking about skating and it’s just making me fall in love more. RIP GROSSO

@drew3539 4 года назад

Dude Rodney never said he invented street, people tried to get him to do street and he never wanted to. I dont understand how they're trying to deny the fact that Rodney invented a SHIT LOAD of tricks

@jrrdelgado 9 лет назад

Skating in the street. Not in some stadium with a skatepark in the middle, that s not street, that s a fucking circus.

@GrandMasterAbe 8 лет назад

True

@clitcommander6603 6 лет назад

Jose Delgado street skating is played out at this point.

@ConnorHolbrook419 3 года назад

This episode is pretty heavy on the Rodney hate. I love Grosso and Loveletters but facts are, Rodney invented 9/10 flip tricks you see today. He also helped Rocco/World Industries become what it was and helped them sponsor or turn pro like every one in the 90s, and at the end of the day even though Rodney’s said some outlandish stuff he’s been pretty humble compared to all that he’s done. Gonz gets the Love but Rodney doesn’t really get any so I understand both sides.

@coreygolpheneee 10 месяцев назад

Because you could argue the skating he sold to the masses in the mid to late 90s has done more to hurt the sport then help it in a lot of ways, so much of this "groundbreaking" technical skating took place on perfect concrete with greased ledges. It became something you couldn't really ride down the street anymore in the name of a kickflip, hence why when i was a kid, it's a very narrow definition of what the skateboard can do in my opinion. It's why all the kids these days are going back to giant boards and huge wheels. Because they want to ride the board.

@dOnKeYbondage 8 лет назад

I love the look on Dressens face when Grosso reviels that this is for The Letters. Such a naughty trickster.

@MIKEMOSSGONNAFLOSS 8 лет назад

No TG mention in the whole video?

@AaronMolinausa 9 лет назад

I am an old dude that really just cruises nowadays so I don't really have a huge dog in this fight. But I was skating in the 80s when street skating was "invented" and nobody considered Rodney Mullen the inventor. It was Gonz and Natas, but I am sure there were tons of dudes earlier that could have been considered godfathers. I guess my best comparison of the freestyle/streetstyle thing is this. The Montgolfier brothers invented the hot air balloon in the 1700s but nobody calls them the inventor of flight, its the Wright brothers plain and simple. What they did was similar, but not really the same. And really, I am not a Rodney hater, love the dude and he did invent a bunch of tricks, but there is a difference between tricks and the actual act of skating.

@jasonreimer9769 5 лет назад

dude, how could the Gonz even get onto a handrail without the ollie, or kickflip, or pop-shuv?

@highonangeldust 5 лет назад

He did a handrail in questionable. Jus sayin dood🤙🏼

@nedisahonkey 5 лет назад

It's extra funny considering how humble and soft spoken Rodney is

@mookiemu 3 года назад

Mullen is a humble brother who deserves all the accolades he gets. You can still see Mullen in every street skate video you see today. Rodney created the alphabet all modern street skaters skate to. He is the giant upon who's shoulders everyone is still standing on, and today, in his mid-50's can blow most street skaters away on the street. Every Skateboarder owes a debt to Mullen just as every musician owes a debt to Bach. Mullen is to skateboarding what Bach is to music.

@JohnnygSawyer 9 лет назад

Jeff, I just scored a brand new reissue toy box board for under $50 bucks! I'm so pumped to FINALLY get this deck! Thanks for being you! Btw- I threw some Olsen Indy's on it too. Johnny Sawyer

@jorozco13yearsago40 2 года назад

This episode is one of the most messy, disconjointed, bitter and chaotic loveletters of the entire series. It's crazy and memorable lmao

@khalarete2188 2 года назад

Yup. That's why I love it. I don't think people should be afraid to express their dislike and bitterness towards things. It's real, and honest, and I feel bad that Grosso ever felt the need to apologize...

@jasonaugustmusic 2 года назад

@@khalarete2188 Afraid is your word. If you knew Jeff--afraid wasn't in his description. What I think your saying is that we should all arrogantly say what we feel? Now the word Arrogant was in Jeff's description. There is an arrogance that comes with fearlessness. RIP brother. Rodney cashed in and now days they all do. Cash is king but style is priceless.

@lucisantiago9620 4 года назад

I wouldn't say that Rodney invented "street skating". He even admitted that while filming the Questionable video he didn't think that style of skating was going to be "the next step". But whether anyone likes it or not, he 100% DID invent most of the tricks that are essential to "street skating" as a style. So I don't think you can say that 1 person invented "street skating" because of how many people influenced it and what it eventually became. But Rodney does deserve a hell of alot of credit for the amount of influence he contributed.

@rwirtz77 Год назад

You guys are right, i still like Rodney though because they literally took his freestyle board away and smashed it and gave him a street board. Did he cry, nope, he just kept on skating and killed it. 😁

@youarewrong321 8 лет назад

my issue with the bones brigade was that it told the story like legend or like myth as opposed to like fact, which is why i knew it was bullshit. Anyone who thinks that that team was the first street skating team doesn't remember that they became that way because of World's domination of the skate industry at the inception of modern street skating. Steve Rocco started World to take the "streetstyle" competitors from Vision and Powell. Gonz converted and started Blind, Rodney converted to do the street shapes at World, and soon enough ended up skating for the team, the rest is history. Watch the Man who Souled the World, its a doc about World and Rocco and it's informative in a way that shows the empirical facts and allows you to sort of shape your own opinion about the situation.

@tmangler7812 10 месяцев назад

"Man, he must be smoking some heavy doobies" cracks me up every time. Movie was "Hard ticket to Hawaii" 1987..he needs to switch to doobie lights i guess 😂

@tulumize 9 лет назад

Mullen invented the kick flip . Give the man some respect . He also can space walk and yo yo plant . Yo yo Shultz invented the hand plant with out transitchion are vert . And also just so you know the lip at 6:22 is so bloody sick aye ? Wicked !!!!!!

@luisouida3719 9 лет назад

mark gonzales I was thinking the same! the yo yo plant is untouched siccness!

@FREEENERGYDEVICEBAND 6 лет назад

aye!!

@yeeeww 8 лет назад

steve olson kicks ass haha

@falleinloveshoes7 9 лет назад

I love how everyone is complaining about Grosso, he even admit several times that he can be egotistical. It's not surprising.

@juvedoo99 2 года назад

And it was also his shtick for the show. Otherwise it wouldn’t have been as entertaining to watch

@Janon48 4 года назад

Tbh a lot of the older dudes seem kinda bitter because freestylers went on to run the industry and all the “cool” guys did was get drug addictions and go to jail.

@Airik1111bibles 4 года назад

Agreed, ivev never cared much for the aggressive anarchy style bull crap that pits skaters against each other. Im an old 80's skater and in the late 80's we loved one guy and wanted to skate like him that's NATAS. I honestly know Gonz was good, Tommy G , Cory O'Brian but Nata's was the guy who changed the whole vibe. Mullen exploded after dropping the little board and high socks which became a whole new style of street. Seems these older dudes are freaking really jaded over dumb crap .... Skateboarding is individual expression I hate the conformity pressure crap its not a good vibe and waste of energy.

@alexspringer7666 2 года назад

You are both fucking spot on.

@graxjpg Год назад

@@alexspringer7666 as much as I think Dill is a ding dong, he summed it up in the first ten seconds of the video.

@syskusa6512 Год назад

Tony Hawk is THE MAN that broke all barriers with skateboarding, take Tony, a vert guy, away from skateboarding and tell me how it is as big as it has become.

@Janon48 Год назад

@SYSK USA except in his own day Tony wasn’t seen as one of the “cool” guys like Grosso or DP

@arissk8 8 лет назад

yeah anyone knows the soundtrack of this episode? this crazy song in the middle that sounds jazzy with all those psychedelic sounds? any thoughts?

@eppyz 6 лет назад

I see it as how we see street skating today is what freestyle tricks were, They were adapted to the street out of necessity. I don't think Rodney thinks he created street skating, I think he believes street skating is what it is today because of the crazy tricks he did during the 80's. Lots of haters and people will have their own views. Things are taken out of context here. It is what's it is. Rodney Mullen is a die hard. Much respect to him. How he manipulates a board is frickin insane👍

@birdbraINCorporated 9 лет назад

please do a loveletter on injuries... trying to cope with a back injury over here

@theadamcolburn 9 лет назад

YES. Hyped the letters are back, keep them coming!

@sk8bones43 9 лет назад

I just pulled my G&S Chuck Webb Freestyle deck out of the basement. I was street skating that thing in 1985. I then went to quarter pipes and built a vert ramp. I don't remember anyone thinking street skating had anything to do with freestyle. It was Thrasher and Fausto like Grosso said. The only conspiracy was that nobody had a vert ramp or skatepark or any of that but the people that had it served up to them on the coasts. Skating is vastly different in the heartland. Then and now.

@freejazzfree 8 лет назад

i dont think this actually qualifies as a 'love letter' :)

@kylebookout1789 4 года назад

Haha he's gotta have one "hate" letter

@konradfitzgerald 4 года назад

Colin Fisher *HATE MAIL*

@s.a.l.1974 3 года назад

A hate letter

@alfredocamuy9052 8 лет назад

Jeff Phillips R I P. The best Complete Skate boarder ever!

@3DEditor 4 года назад

4 years later, Rest in Peace Grosso.

@demstudios5799 4 года назад

I think equating Rodney Mullen to the inventor of street skating is like saying the inventor of front flips invented parkour. They laid the foundation but they didn’t build that scene

@coreygolpheneee 10 месяцев назад

The person that applies it to the built environment is the one that gets the credit, hence why the gonz and Natas are the ones that deserve the credit

@petesmite Месяц назад

Ah, that's the one episode where Jeff reflected on his still unprocessed head canon.

@MrAcespaders 3 года назад

Freestyle was borderline figure skating on ice. The dude who said they didn’t roll said it best.

@recession81 2 года назад

Until Rodney adapted to the streets, and no shit it's called freestyle for a reason 🤣

@cron205 9 лет назад

the best episode ever GROSSO youve out done your self once again oh the memories now i can watch the curb dogs footage that doesent exzist anymore anytime i want to years ago i gave my curb dogs skateboarding VHS tape away that was dumb i should of kept it i lost that video twice

@lachlanshaw_ 2 года назад

Anyone know what the clip at 0:42 is from?

@tmangler7812 10 месяцев назад

Hard ticket to Hawaii...1987

@stoopdood9285 9 лет назад

The truth of why street skating became more popular than vert is kind of a no-brainer: streets are everywhere, vert is hard to come by. At the same time as Natas, Gonz and whoever else were skating there were a million kids all over America creating street skating, pushing it, learning from what the guys w the big names were doing and then pushing that even further. Some of them were way ahead of any pros and became the house hold names of later years, some became gas station attendants but they will always know they did a nollie flip down 4 stairs in 1989. An industry conspiracy can't create that kind of mass explosion, in fact the kids were always way ahead of the industry, the industry just knows how to make a buck on something popular: take what kids are doing anyway, repackage it and sell it back to them. They did it to vert too.

@saulorocha3755 9 месяцев назад

It’s all skate, folks! Skate just evolved adapting and merging. If you watch a street skate contest then in the 80’s and now, my god, you feel almost ashamed for the guys skating then but it was them who carried the torch. And back then it was so fresh for us.

@camacazipilot2669 8 лет назад

can someone please tell me the song that Tom Knox skates to in speed freaks, I know its by firehose but fuck I've been searching for soooo long

@camacazipilot2669 8 лет назад

Thanks man Im gonna play the shit out of that song now haha

@ConnorHolbrook419 11 месяцев назад

"Primo gets on it though" 😂😂😂😂

@kendoglarson5419 5 месяцев назад

We just went skating behind our local shopping mall and we built all kinds of stuff to skate as well as skated the loading docks and banks. To us it was just skating. We built jump ramps and sliders.

@ezrhino100 Год назад

There are so many things in skating that are freestyle. The manual is freestyle. Hippie jumps. Capsers. People who really skate know these tricks and don't just do ledges and handrails...

@evanhairgelion 8 лет назад

Skateboarding's skateboarding, love it for how it is.

@HomieCantCommunicate 2 года назад

Shred In Peace Jeff! ✨😎🇺🇸

@Fhb1087 8 лет назад

Dude... you better put some RESPECT of Rodney Mullen's name. Pay some homage. He's like the nicest guy ever

@Marsvoltarules420 8 лет назад

real shit!

@kilo393 6 лет назад

He's cool and I respect him, but don't treat him like a god.Oh don't you dare say those things.fuck off man.

@doubler8860 9 лет назад

Good one! This shit brought back a lot of old memories!

@cron205 9 лет назад

Jerrold Gaines indeed and that's why its rad the young ones just don't understand the real deal in skateboarding they just know about lame pop shapes and dont respect money bumps

@radsk8rbigollies594 3 года назад

As an east coast kid who watched videos and looked at the mags in the 80s, all we did was skate street because that is all we had. Ramps were few and far between, Launch ramps were built, a quarterpipe if you could raid a construction site, we treated curbs like coping and did streetplants imitating inverts. It's all skating and all skating is about fun. But I never actually knew any freestylers. Freestylers were strictly a freak segment in a video for us. It had cool aspects but looked like math almost. Still, we would find parts of it and incorporate some in our skating too; shove-its, kickflips, it didn't matter. Just make up shit and have fun. Skating is so rad, it's the best.

@lukewatkins5728 9 лет назад

Since I lived thru it here's what happened. Freestyle was its own weird sport u fast forwarded thru in the videos. Street was the emulation of ramp tricks on curbs & banks. It was until the 90s that freestyle fused w street but freestyle was way dead by then. The essence of street is trying to skate vert on a curb. Later they started flipping the board (also, why I struggle w flip tricks)

@cron205 9 лет назад

Luke Watkins pop shape boards are freestyle boards

@xisotopex 3 года назад

I think the 'jammer' was my first board.... with the chain link graphic but not sure

@MartyMcDonnald 2 года назад

Such a butt hurt attitude to deny the influence Mullen had in street skating. "He doesn't do drugs like us, he's a poser" that was the mindset behind it.

@SixStair 8 месяцев назад

haha- i think you missed the point (or maybe we sucked at presenting the point?)- This episode was supposed to be about dispelling the myth that Rodney invented "street skating"- he didn't- he was freestyling until late 80's (and that's totally fine and he was the best ever at it)- this episode was trying to make the point that Rodney may have invented many of the tricks but literally no one was interested in those tricks until skaters like Gonz and Natas came along and started doing some of those freestyle tricks in the streets and not in the garage- you may not agree with that angle but it's a fact. This episode was supposed to be an homage to those early skaters who saw the potential of freestyle tricks and changed the course of skateboarding. But who really cares-

@RyanCrase1 5 лет назад

Saw the Kessler Thrasher cover!

@garrieleepeck8753 3 года назад

Love Jeff spoke his mind .Good on him what Rodney was going on about bloody books

@ryangann5037 9 месяцев назад

Grosso’s take on BB Autobiography isn’t way off ~

@zg-mzga 2 года назад

look how few people at venice beach. love it

@noeltheshemale 9 лет назад

I think i seen that Desiderio couple do a demo at Newport Beach or Huntington Ca round summer of '84

@82PeRK 5 лет назад

MARK 6:29 , THTS lansdowne SKATE PARK in lansdowne md, its still there. THEE OLDEST PARK IN THE U.S.

@CaptainFantastik1 8 лет назад

Yeah you could say street skating itself wasn't born of freestyle. But there's no denying Mullen's bag of tricks in freestyle are the very foundation of modern tech. It took a while though because the board designs at that time that street skaters were using weren't appropriate or practical for adapting what Mullen had done.

@cron205 9 лет назад

finley the thread the needle spot in curb dogs you responded to what i said grosso showing some curb dogs skateboarding footage

@_Ramen-Vac_ 8 лет назад

Gosh I want an OG SMA Natas. damn. love-boat.

@daltonbongiovanni8244 4 года назад

Jeff Grosso's Hate Mail! R.I.P!!!!!! I think he probably regretted this episode! Dressen looks like he wants to punch Grosso in the face! Don't ever hate! FREESTYLE, POOL'S, HALF PIPE, STREET SKATING......... THE BEST SKATEBOARDER IN THE WORLD IS THE ONE HAVING THE MOST FUN!!!!!!!

@kryptichands968 2 года назад

"Man he must be smoking some heavy doobies"

@cubistblues 8 лет назад

Love Letters is usually great, but this was a messy, unfocussed and poorly edited one. Grosso (bless him)'s argument is pretty incoherent and you can see the reaction he gets from Julien and co from the looks on their faces. Stecyk and Fausto's vision of 'Streetstyle' was something that the industry might have wanted commercially, but the way they presented it was sick - it was stylish and it always involved movement. It empowered kids who were never going to be able to blast a 6 foot air in the Upland Combi Pool or Del Mar keyhole. The movement part was something that Rodney eventually picked up on too. Look at his parts from Public Domain onwards - he's going fast. Another thing that Grosso fails to grasp is that Gonz and Natas, and a bit later Vallely and Lee all influenced the way Rodney skated. He was quoted many times back in the day saying how he loved watching those guys skate. I skated street heavily in the 87-92 period and looked for any photos of Rodney I could find. I'd slo-mo videos watching his ollie impossibles because I'd only seen photos of Templeton doing them, not video. Only Rodney had done them on video.. The street guys innovating then all had one eye on what he was doing - even Julien would probably have admitted that had Grosso not done a 'Hard Copy' interview with him. Stranger recalls skating with him with respect.. Hating on the dorks who now run the 'industry' and hating on Rodney are two different things. Grosso's shit is all over the shop in this one.

@SixStair 8 лет назад

yeah his "argument" is incoherent... but he's basically trying to say exactly what you just said--- and in the piece people disagree with Grosso- he's one guy who has an opinion--- god forbid it's a bit out of sync with what other people think- I don't think he ever says that his opinion is the only one or even the right one- it's just his opinion based on what he saw and experienced. luckily this is only 1 out of 57 episodes we have done- hope you enjoy a few of the others---

@tburgzkta 7 лет назад

cubistblues I had to watch t a couple times but I finally understood it

@bwillabeanz3 9 лет назад

People just adapt to their envionments I think. Like I say a good pioneer street company was shut skateboards. Just a bunch of ny kids with no pools around them making their own shapes and boards to sell and ride in the ny streets. I mean that is pretty awesome

@cron205 9 лет назад

Brandon Williams SHUT SKATES was rad

@999alex9991 8 лет назад

the bones brigade autobiography, for those wondering is about 1h40 (split in 34 chapters)

@the_laybacks Год назад

Can we get Salba to host these videos now?!?!

@finnmcginn9931 Год назад

Salba, Lucero and Olson.

@finnmcginn9931 Год назад

There should be a weekly one hour show of Salba just showing off treasures he has stashed in his garage and telling Combi/Mt.Baldy storieS

@collin9085 9 лет назад

My opinion is that it's like surfing spawning skating. So yes, street was first because when somebody made the first skateboard the first thing they probably did was go bomb a hill (i.e. stree skating). However in order to get to what contemporary street skating is today (flip tricks and grinds) freestyle then influenced street skating to modernize it. Same with modern surfing-- it would be much different today if it wasn't influenced by skating. Also I agree with olson; the real creator of "street style" were the companies. Would you consider people like chris chan who spend most of their time skating a flat ground street skaters?

@Nominay 7 лет назад

The inventor of street skating is the first person to ollie up a curb and over obstacles. That's Mullen, not Gonz or Natas. This is documented in a 1983 issue of Thrasher in a picture sequence.

@chriswebb5736 7 лет назад

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

@forshigity5000 5 лет назад

mARK GONZALES is the godfather of street skating

@oriolesBraw 2 месяца назад

Not giving Rodney his flowers is a wild take

@doorguy7744 4 года назад

The B Ferdinand clip!!!

@figbag 9 лет назад

If you want to look at street skating you should give credit to the individuals who have influenced the scene (directly or indirectly) to the greatest degree. Rodney is one of those individuals. Trying to downplay his contribution is fucked.

@cron205 9 лет назад

figbag they dont they killed the money bump movement and made all the boards look the same how lame not everybody likes thoes double tail boards were just forced and brainwashed to only want a double tail board that's bullshit i want a 80's board even in 1990 when this new stuff started to show up we rejected it and continued to buuy 80's boards off skaters that quit skateboarding once thoes ran out you couldent get a 80's board anywhere it was all newschool crap we do have a right to choice and they dont give us that like cmon 80's reissue boards without 80's holes that's bullshit why would i wanna put newschool trucks on a 80's board i only like oldschool sk8 trucks gullwing and G&S sk8 trucks only and TOXIC wheels

@CWard-1616 Год назад

Within the first 30 seconds he’s already sounding like Jell-O Biafra

@shredboise 4 года назад

I'm a street skater. I was born a street skater I will die a street skater. It always felt like Grosso was what he claimed to hate... some old skater trying to dictate what skateboarding is or isn't. I don't care. I SKATE. Why was I a street skater? Because I lived miles from anywhere, on top of a hill, and my parents drove me nuts. The skateboard let me escape. Local skaters, then Natas, Mike V, and Hensley drove my progression. It stopped there though and that is where my style has remained for more than 30 years.

@travisguide4516 6 лет назад

i am a rodney believer nobody has ever beat him. he never lived by the fall 10 times per trick rule. he had consistency that couldn't be beat plus nobody could do any of his tricks. If you could do any rodney tricks you rule but you dont beat the rod

@pandapropsncostumes 2 года назад

In Rodney‘s 10 year run as a freestyle champion he was only defeated once by Per Welinder.

@saymstuff 3 года назад

🤘🏻!

@polobubblevest 8 лет назад

is grossman vaping? he should start vlogging too

@RobertNazarov65 4 года назад

Thank you Mr. GROSSo RIP

@Finkardop 6 лет назад

This makes me not wanna wear vans pro shoes.

@yamaaaaar 9 лет назад

As its what the whole episode is based around it i would be interested to hear which people they think claimed freestyles invented street skating they seam to mention no one by name I would doubt Rodney would claim it. But technical trick wise vert and street skateboarding has borrowed heavily from freestyle thats undeniable and also other elements of skating have all borrowed from each other. Its all part of the same rich skate tapestry. But really Jason Dill...give it a rest...I party therefore im cool..errrr ok..you keep hold of that religious belief of cool ;) (Also i would speculate more people watched Rodney because they were impressed by what he was doing on his board than did to see if he made a mistake)

@BrandonBowditch 9 лет назад

They're just sour that Rodney made a living out of skateboarding and they didn't. Rodney has never claimed to have started street skating. He's literally said in multiple interviews & TED Talks that he moved to street after it got started, along with the fact that it took him forever to transition to that style of skating. All he has ever said about the subject is that he contributed to what street skating is today. That's all.

@cron205 9 лет назад

BowditchXD he thinks he invented it all when he dident some people like double tail boards some like money bumps and most hate this boring all the boards and tricks look the same bullshit

@kilo393 6 лет назад

@@BrandonBowditch I don't have problem with Rodney and I know he hasn't claimed anything himself, but I have a problem with the fans I guess.They are the ones making the claims and shit.Anyone says anything different all those fanboys get triggered and start telling how Rodney Mullen is the godfather of street skating and shit.Really dude?Oh just fuck off man.

@radamus210 8 месяцев назад

Yeah when someone like Rodney was in a comp, everyone flocked. He was an alien and those who competed against him or watched him, know he was different. His flow, freakish balance, everything planned, no surprises. But that's what FS was judged against at the time IN that time. The popsicle era didn't change what had been done much. We skated to someone's halfpipe or ramp in the neighborhood before we could drive, that's how we got around. Lot of construction at the time, some sweet asphalt and concrete transitions were being built everyday and we looked for ways to do shit we would try on the pipe. It wasn't the same but you could get a feel for what your body needed to do without dying 20 times in a lot of cases. Skating is skating - like down the street, jumping off dumpsters and table - Freestyle? Just you on a flat square, what you got? No gimmicks, no bullshit 1 or 2-3 boards - That's freestyle, not street skating. And all of that is cool and all, but it's all about the vert, the more the better and huge transitions the kind dreams are made of - that's the pro league~ at least in my day it was, how I remember it, how I lived it, how it will always be. Sucks to be you if you weren't there, it was fucking amazing. At the time, none of us knew how special this time was but then, just as fast as all the parks were built - they were torn up and gone. But, don't be sad. A new trend began and continues to this day - the underground half pipe/bowl circuit is out there. actually, the same stuff we had going on 45 years ago is out there today - gotta go find it. we didn't have the internet and we fuckin found it - Didn't have drones but we found municipal pools, most suck, but once in a while you find a good one. So, fuck all them people who want to put shit in boxes to divide - it's all skating, do what's fun. The ones trying to stir up shit are the ones watching, always been that way.