The Full Johan Norberg: Sweden’s “Socialism,” the Loneliness "Epidemic,” Degrowth and other Myths 

This is what happens when our educational system doesn't even properly teach basic economics to students anymore...

The capitalism vs socialism debate only shows how much economic ignorance exists in the public.

Privatized pensions should scare people. Dad worked 28 years for NCR. When it was time to retire, somehow his pension lost 90% of its "value "

My grandfather was the former economic minister of a Communist Country. When he arrived in the US as a refugee, and had academic freedom, he published numerous papers discussing the "demonstrable failures" of socialist economic models. He was as big a proponent of free markets as you'll find anywhere.

"In capitalism, it's costly to be an idiot." This one sentence perfectly explains why certain people clamor for socialism.

I live in Canada and Jim Carrey is incorrect, some provinces in this country have up to 5 day wait times. our health care system is infact collapsing

As a Canadian, Jim Carrey was talking about decades ago…. I have no doctor and I am on a 2-6 year wait list

I have visited and lived in Israel for many years. When it was socialist / quasi-socialist, back in the 80s, most people were poor and struggling to get by. After years of economic reforms / liberalization, the country is (or at least was) one of the richest in the world, prior to October 7.

If the intellectuals think socialism is so great, why is it that NO ONE risks their lives to move from the United States to China, Russia, North Korea, Cuba, etc?

Don’t apologize for longer interviews. Take whatever time it takes to explain the subject matter. We, who want to know we’ll take the time to listen, Whatever the length of the interview.

My boss is from Calgary. One of the reasons he came to the U.S. was because of the socialized healthcare system in Canada. His aunt died while on a waiting list for a critical surgery.

John Stossel: I LIKE the longer format. There is SO MUCH to cover, and you did a brilliant job interviewing this genius.

"Free stuff" .......that's why the youth loves it. ...and the lazy.

Thomas Sowell would be a good interview. This Norberg interview should be mandatory for all Teachers, politicians and most importantly for all High School Students!

I worked in Denmark for years, 60% income tax, 25% purchase tax. Poor education system ( I was a teacher ) Poor primary health care. Nothing is free.

I really like the longer interviews. I would be interested in seeing you interview Thomas Sowell and Douglas Murray

I lived in Sweden for 6 years. They wanted more healthcare options to pay more to get ahead of the queue. Or they just paid more to see a private doctor rather than wait. Friends complain about the bureaucracy and lack of choice. Capitalism and competition works!

It’s like we’re playing economic musical chairs, but the music keeps stopping at the wrong ideas.

SO MANY PEOPLE are CLUELESS about Socialism. Thank you JOHN STOSSEL for your tireless efforts to educate people about what it means to be critical thinkers and liberty minded.😎

Who else agrees people that want the demise of capitalism simply have not figured out how to become wealthy in the capitalist system?

Milton Friedman: "Name for me a government that doesn't run on greed...." You can't because there isn't one. The difference is in who's greedy--those running the government, or those seeking their own interests. In capitalism, if you don't provide a good or service someone WANTS, you will NOT "get rich." In socialism/communism, if you don't provide goods or services people want, too bad, it becomes mandatory.

I wish we could start using "free market" in place of the word "capitalism". The free market is the real engine of prosperity. Literally thousands, if not millions of people competing to find better solutions to problems. That's where "the magic happens".

As a Swede let me just emphasize that socialism and capitalism can co-exist in such a way that children can have equal access to education, and healthcare, no matter the income, we just pay a little more taxes.

Public schools should have a curriculum based on John Stossel videos

Swedish socialism is like American capitalism, it’s not done very well. If only America was actually as capitalist as all these politicians say.

Great summary Jon and great interview. I'm a former Canadian as well and Jim Carey is delusional. Maybe when he was a teenager and had a cold he could easily get treatment, but as an adult when there are real stakes that's not the case at all. My family comes to the US when they have real medical conditions and pay out of pocket because the waits are too long in Canada and often Health Canada doesn't prescribe the best treatment to solve the problem but rather delivers a sustaining treatment that trades off quality of life for the most cost effective solution.

Loved the interview man. Longer one hour interview where we can fully examine a topic are better. Deeper not wider

I'm 49 and watched John since I was 14. I find this longer format more appealing to my tastes.

What a fantastic interview! My Canadian best friend's dad waited months to be seen for his prostate. Once finally examined, he was diagnosed with cancer. He had to wait months more in between follow up appts and died.

It's crazy to me coming from a family whose last 3 generations had to suffer through socialism, that so, so many my age are longing for these things that clearly do not, have never, and will never work. It's absolutely baffling and sad to me. Socialism has cost anywhere between 120-200 million lives over the course of the 20th century... Capitalism has lifted more people out of poverty in less than a century than in all of previous history combined. How is my generation - millenials - and gen z so, so deranged? I have no words honestly...

Keep the long form John. There's a reason why 3hr long podcast episodes are winning hearts and minds. You're an excellent interviewer; give your guests a platform to express their ideas and put them through the fire of critical thought.

So refreshing to see a real professional journalist reporting informative truth that lifts the general public out of the pit of ignorance. Thanks John!

Longer interviews are more difficult to make time for, but for ideas of this depth there is no good alternative. This is so important that people understand the situation. Thank you, Mr Stossel for using your time in this manner.

This should be required in every school and university in the country.

John Stossel's interview with Johan Norberg was one of the most stimulating interactions I've encountered recently. Much appreciated, gentlemen.

What a great interview. I spend a lot of time on the computer since I am retired and there is mostly junk on the TV. Normally I like the 20-minute snapshots, but when you have people like this or Victor D Hansen I could and will watch them for hours.

Socialism was best defined by Winston Churchill as "the equal sharing of misery" (except for the managers).

"She never paid for prescriptions!" You always pay for everything. You just don't pay at the point of transaction.

Thank you, so glad to have found you here on this platform. Was missing your voice in journalism and so glad for this opportunity to hear you once again. Keep going. You’re doing great, making progress, and your efforts are very much appreciated. 💚🌱🐢

The competition element of capitalism is the true motivator, which inspires innovation, efficiency all under the the struggle to survive, struggle to make things better, which is exactly what is absent in state control

As a Canadian I have no Idea what part of Canada Jim Carey comes from but i have never heard of anyone going to the Hospital emergency room and not having a long wait. By the way I am 73 years old so where and when is he talking about . Medication is not completely paid for if if you pay into the government plan when you retire.

Here we are debating taxes as our money is being freely handed to the rest of the world. Talk about deaf, dumb and blind.

In Norway, almost everybody that created big companies, employ thousands of people are obliged to flee to Switzerland because of the perverse taxation.. to avoid these, leaving Norway to stand on just one foot.

What an interview. Can’t wait to show my daughters this interview in the future!

People are not being affected by capitalism, they are being hurt by Corporatism, which is closer to socialism than capitalism, as it is only possible when capitalism is corrupted by big governments allowing lobbyists to stifle any and all competition, and thus capitalism.

How much has massive immigration contributed to the stressing of social programs in Sweden?

Definitely prefer the longer format. John, you bring up thought provoking topics. More time is necessary to flesh out ideas. Your shorter videos always leave me wanting. I hate getting my news through head lines and clever sound bites. Please contiue with longer interviews,

As a wildlife biologist, I can see that our natural ecosystems are being degraded by human activity. I used to think that capitalism was to blame. After I educated myself in economics, I realized that the real problem is rampant consumerism and single-use products, not capitalism itself. Corporate geed does play a role in the problem, but then so does poverty. And capitalism reduces poverty. What a conundrum! Great interview!

Wealth is CREATED, it is not TAKEN, except in two cases: taxes or theft

The lie about Canadian health care makes me sick. Our family doctor is retiring and my wife and I will be out a family doctor at 55 there was a two day waiting line for a new doctor who was taking patients. Let’s not even go into the 2.5 years over my cancer screaming and had someone not died from cancer I wouldn’t have got in.

A brilliant talk. Could listen to another hour easy. Thank John!

One of your best interviews. 😊

Can a minimum wage afford a vehicle ? It was possible in 1970 , but impossible in 2024 . So I have to disagree with you about the wealth gap . Socialism is not the answer . Less government is the way to go .

People are not oppressed by capitalism, they are oppressed by being denied access to capitalism. Thanks for the interview!👍

@ 26:00 It is so true, I live in Thailand and Thai's find it strange when you "thank" them after you have bought something from them.

Great interview John! People like the longer format to dig deep and not a condensed version all the time. You’re doing great.

Jim Carey is totally wrong. Our Canadian health care has ALOT of issues and relies on the US system (non socialized medicine) at time for expertise and faster care. How ironic. This interview was great and he is correct.

Dangerous Topic John! You are my HERO!!!

Fantastic interview, John, the whole world needs to hear it.

Ppl constantly confuse CHOOSING to be left alone vs being lonely.

Thank you Mr Stossel and Mr Norberg.

Socialism when has it ever worked

John Stossel. One of the last true journalists we have in America

This was an awesome interview. I never heard about Johan Norberg, good attitude. Im from neighboring country Finland, where we are also doing the same changes, and finally NATO, kick the russian influence in the butt.

I really enjoyed that interview, Mr. Stossel. Thank you!

This was great. Listened to the whole thing. Thanks John.

That was one of the most amazing interviews I have seen in a while!❤❤

Every Norberg interview I've seen or heard is amazing! Thanks John for bringing it to us!

When will people get it through their heads that capitalism in principle works better than socialism....anytime.

One of the best videos I have ever seen explains that capitalism is about giving and generosity and socialsm is about taking and greed.

James Lindsay. Listen to his talk at the European Parliament. One of the most important speeches of the decade.

In the Norwegian socialized healthcare system i have never got a doctors appointment in less than 3 weeks. To get to a otolaryngologist i had to wait 6 weeks on top of the 3 weeks to get the referral from my normal doctor, and then when i missed the appointment with the otolaryngologist i had to wait 6 more weeks to get a new one... So 15 weeks for someone to check my nose... After an accident were i tore off most of the ligaments in my knee i got a MR appointment 6 weeks after the accident (where my leg was totally useless, and in a lot of pain). I then went for a earlier MR appointment in a private clinic paying for it my self, and when i eventually got to the surgery i was told that if i had gotten there any later they would not be able to opperate. So if i had waited for the original publicly funded MR appointment my knee would have been permanently damaged and i could not have walked on the leg again.

Johan Nordberg is awesome! Thanks for such a great interview!

When he says "regional" health care in a country as small as Sweden, he's basically saying "Counties manage their own health care." Sweden is a nation of about 10 million people. We have cities with almost as many people. One thing the Scandinavian countries have done is keep the capital gains taxes much lower than in the USA.

The shorts are great, but the occasional long interview is a very welcome sight too.

JOHN STOSSEL Thank you for having the courage to walk the path of truth.

I can see Javier Milei in this interview. Those exact same words have been told by Milei and that's why he won the presidency in Argentina. I'm watching a 180° cultural change in real time and it's awesome. More so as I come from Venezuela, a country destroyed by socialism.

It's kind of ironic the guy clipped saying how great socialism is also has a channel about super car reviews, all while also telling his followers that the money they're sending him isn't enough for him to survive.

I love longer interviews where the interviewer and interviewee can really dive deep on a topic and get rich details. In the age of shorts and tiktok where creators just blast talking points and stop, long form content is perfect and really gets the mind going and gives me more to digest. Lex Friedman 4 hour long interviews are my favorite things to listen to. Deep dive conversations. Ty John for your work.

This should be required viewing in every college and university in America. Better yet... since not everyone chooses or is able to go to college... first show it in every high school and middle school, then reshow it to college students!

Jim Carrey clearly hasn’t been in Canada in decades. Our healthcare system is in tatters. Most people don’t have a family doctor.

Yes, I do enjoy the longer interviews. Having more context to the conversation is a good thing.

Zig Ziglar said it best. “You can get everything you want in life if you help enough people get what they want.”

Jim Carey has not had canadian health care in a long time. You cannot get a family doctor, you wait for hours in the hospital emergency rooms and clinics. Takes months and months to get a specialist which you need a referral first. Not everything is paid for either. Canadian health care system is broken.

These longer interviews, especially on a subject like this, are important to combat the absurdity coming from academia.

In general, people that I've encountered either are: Winning in life and want capitalism. Struggling in life and want socialism. Which camp would you rather be in?

One thing Stossel deserves credit for is showing the opposition's viewpoint in their own words - for instance you saw quite a few clips of socialists in this video which Norberg responded to. It's also common for Stossel to play devil's advocate in his interviews.

Thank you John. Fantastic interview with a great guest. This is must needed wisdom that needs more exposure.

I had an exchange student come to my house in America. I took her to the city and a homeless man followed her around mimicking her. She said their education is more advanced than American public schools. So I went to Sweden to see for myself and storefronts were booming with a lot of public transportation, sidewalks and trails. Swedish kids were unsupervised roaming the cities and suburbs. In America teenagers are trapped in the suburbs until they get a drivers license and American cities filled with crime.

Jim Carrey was lying his butt off.

Thank goodness Johan Norberg is young. May he live a long and fruitful life educating us.

Excellent interview.

I wish we had a voucher system for the school system we live in. The public option is really subpar.

A bunch of people who dont understand economics arguing about socialism vs. capitalism in the national argument. Economics isn't that difficult. "Wealth is created when those who know how to create it are free to do so." Thomas Sowell. Freedom= sound economical society. Socialism the opposite

That's absolutely excellent! I'm so glad you guys made this video.

16:09 Here's an example of exactly what he is talking about. In 1973 I was working in a well paying job with a major Multinational Corporation. At that time, my wife and I purchased a brand new car, albeit a very basic one. It had rubber floor mats, zero power amenities, i.e. steering, brakes, windows etc., no air conditioning, no cruise control, no radio, and it had a 4 speed manual transmission. I mean just entry level transportation with decent but certainly not exceptional fuel economy, That simple vehicle cost me 6 months salary and had a 1 year warranty. TODAY people complain about how expensive new vehicles have become so let's compare. In 2023 I purchased a brand new "Bottom of The Line" entry level vehicle. It came equipped with Power Steering, Power Brakes, Power Windows, and Power Door Locks with remote entry. Air Conditioning, Cruise Control, Tilt Steering Column, and Height Adjustable Driver's Seat. It has Heated Front Seats that can fry your butt, along with a lovely leather wrapped steering wheel. This vehicle has an Audio System that sounds amazing for an "Entry Level" unit, along with Wireless Apple Car Play and Android Auto which gives it exceptional Navigation Capabilities. Of course it has Air Bags and Side Door Beams along with Anti-Lock Brakes and Stability Control. AND it has the absolute best Back-Up Camera display I've yet seen, (clear and bright even at night). Although this vehicle does still have a Manual Transmission it is a 6 speed unit that is easy to shift and despite weighing nearly 50% more than the car we bought in 1973, it still delivers well over 60% better fuel economy. Oh. And did I mention it has a 5 year bumper to bumper warranty? In short, this simple entry level vehicle would have been considered a luxury car back in 1973. So what did this machine cost in 2023? Less than 5 months worth of "Retirement Income" versus 6 months worth of a decent salary back in 1973. Indeed it represents exactly what the gentleman is talking about in this video. Obviously my vehicle is an anomaly in today's automotive marketplace BUT as a transportation device, it moves my butt from Point A to Point B just fine and in comfort. Unfortunately, people have forgotten what a car was designed to be in the first place and they've moved from being transportation appliances into "Amusement Park Rides". Do we really need vehicles that can accelerate to 60 mph in less than 5 seconds and go around corners like a go cart? Is that fun? Sure I guess, but at a huge up front and long-term capital cost. Manufacturers have been driven to produce such contraptions based largely on the opinions of "Automotive Journalists", most of whom are "Wannabe Race Car Drivers". The majority of automotive consumers just don't care! In fact, many rarely or ever even look under the hood of their vehicles. Obviously as the economy is heading south, people are starting to realize that perhaps they didn't need that gas guzzling Pickup Truck or a HellCat Charger to go grocery shopping. A friend of mine once put it succinctly. It takes 2,000 pounds of vehicle to transport your body and another 2,000 pounds to transport your EGO!

The US needs an intelligent, clear-thinking person similar to Norberg as our President to put the brakes on our trend toward Socialism and Fascism. The closest thing we have is Ramaswamy, and we stupidly passed on him.

My neighbor’s family is Canadian and his mother died during the 8 month wait to see a surgeon. No thanks.

Wonderful interview, John very informative, thank you for doing it

At least in Sweden you get something in return for the taxes you pay. If you add up all the myriad taxes we pay in the US and then consider that healthcare and education are not included, we are paying a higher effective tax rate than Swedes are.