The future of game development... has no game engine? 

Mathematically the most computationally expensive way to run a 30 year old game possible

this brings a whole new meaning to "can it run doom"

Fireship 2022: There's a new JS framework 🕺🕺 Fireship 2024: We are all doomed 💀

4:09 "It keeps track of health and ammo" as the video shows that ammo doesn't sync at all with shots fired. He takes like 8 shots and only loses 3 ammo.

AI game pipeline Step 1: create the game to train the AI Step 2: train your AI Step 3: delete your game Step 4: use AI to imitate your game

I like how you had to censor cartoony gore, yet didn't need to when running over realistic looking people

4:06 "Is this depressing? Yep (immediately)" caught me off guard xD

if it exists, it can run doom

watch it start hallucinating and your in game currency goes to 3 billion

"right now it doesn't work. But in the not-so-distant future, you could imagine..." There it is, all AI marketing distilled.

1:31 Carmack deserves more respect from mainstream than most tech personalities right now.

It's 2030. I prompt the AI to generate a roguelike survival game set on a space station. My CPU heats up and becomes a fireball, instantly incinerating everything in a two-mile radius. All of the electricity in the world is instantly used up, triggering a global meltdown.

wait wtf was that capital penalty machine

I know it's a demo of what it's supposedly to come in the future. However, I cannot avoid seeing the irony of them taking a game which became a legend for being able to run smoothly on nearly anything with a microchip, only to turn it into a redundant, slower, blurrier version of something that already exists. All while requiring the latest, most powerful, most power hungry and expensive hardware currently on the market. It sums up tech companies of the 2020s perfectly.

So, it's just a version of Doom that runs approximately six orders of magnitude slower, is wildly inconsistent in it's behavior and logic, is only 20 frames per second, and completely breaks if you fill your screen with a single wall for too long? Game of the year, right here.

Back in 1995, I was playing a free version of Doom on a bargain end PC at well over 30 FPS. 30 years later and you are telling me that some egg-heads have it running at 20 FPS?

This is cool, but think about the VASTLY different levels of computation required to output this vs the original game, and by extension, the power requirements. Unless we have some massive energy revolution in the next decade or so, we are going to quickly run out of power to run these AI-ified versions of everything.

3:09 80% for magic tricks is crazy

There is a RU-vid Channel called Mr.PiwPiew who copies your videos. He uses 1:1 your script. You might want to do something against that.

0:25 [gore censored] is crazy

3:12 > Hobbies > "Online trolling" 😂😂😂

3:29 has me dying

Soon we'll be running Doom on brains Edit: Thanks for 500 likes!

the game without a game engine is what i'm currently playing. only, someone has hardcoded suffering into it, and theres no off button. so basically its a prison.

"Google and Tel Aviv University-" Yep. That's all I needed to hear. Always them!

Next step: games that don't need players.

Exactly what I'm looking for as the next video game I'll play: A completely open world with infinite content, but the content is unorignal, uninspired, with no relation or association with the real worlds logic and sense.

1:54 I finally know how the sawing the body in half trick works.

While it's true that game and gen is not going to replace game developers anytime soon, the advancements already achieved indicate a promising future for both robotics and gaming.

AI is truly revolutionizing everything from gaming to robotics. AI-generated game environments are already making waves, and the idea of AI trained robots is just mind-boggling. Still, it's reassuring to know that game developers are far from obsolete.

roads where were going we dont need roads

Back when I was a kid, I imagined AI would take over the menial jobs, not leisure activities. This is such a dystopian thing to watch.

gambling more attractive than video games IMAGINE

0:35 Bold of you to assume GTA VII will come out before the end of this century!

Wait, Isn't it able to "run" doom just because there exists a lot of training data about it on the web? How would this apply to a brand new game idea? Would it be good enough to extrapolate and reach the desired ouput?

But why ? In video games, using AI is just lazy. You need waay more resources and storage to render the gameworld, while most people still play on hardware over a decade old. Imagine playing gta6 and needing a subscription along with an entire server rack in your house just to play the game.

3:35 WHAT THE FFFFF- I DID NOT EXPECTED TO HEAR THIS BEFORE GOING TO SLEEP. 💀

I've never really understood why people say that Doom isn't truly 3D. Sure, it relies on smoke-and-mirrors techniques--but so does every other method of rendering 3D objects on a 2D screen. Doom *does* keep track of the vertical axis, too. Even though you can't look up and down, as a limitation of the raycasting technique, it is nevertheless the case that actors and objects in Doom have assigned height values that affect their interaction with the world.

And I'm losing my job before even getting it, nice!

If a massively online game like GTA 5 had this engine it would take a server farm the size of the Grand Canyon to keep it running, and it would probably need its own dedicated nuclear power plant to keep running.

“Women find gaming unattractive.” Meanwhile my wife and I met over Mario Kart at college and both continue to play competitively to this day.

first they came for our artists and I did not speak because I was not an artist

The problem is that what makes a game interesting is the thoughts behind the decisions that went into making it. It's not about "realism" or endless filling. It's about what is there being meaningful.

My take on AI: I definitely think it's the future, it's inevitable. HOWEVER. I think the AI space is going to slow done, causing funding to be pulled in this already harsh tech environment, causing AI to stall hard, and take way longer than predicted. Right now AI is the hype, but you all remember fully self driving cars with no steering wheel? That thing disappeared in a few years, and speaking to people and BMW, they are well aware that they are simply following trends. AI is just the current buzzword, but as soon as it slows down, we're moving onto the next. Again. AI is here to stay similar to how some cars can mostly be self driving, but I personally don't think it's as far as people think, and I personally believe it will hit a wall and slow down quite a bit. But who know. That's the beauty of it. Also, typically it's the final 10% that takes 90% of the time. Right now AI is just 5-10% of the way there in my eyes, it's going to take quite a lot before we see it consistently beating humans across multiple regions, rather than a single specialization.

I also love consuming the full energy output of a small power plant to run DOOM.

Not stopping me, Im having fun developing my own shitty games 🎮

Everybody keeps using AI for the wrong purposes... Why have it make game graphics, when you could be using it to improve game NPC pathfinding instead.

Stable diffusion makes us think we are advanced when really all we care about are pixels and 8 bit colours.

I have already built a game without an engine, it just generates Excel spreadsheets for you to fill in. It's called Job Simulator 2: Dead Line. The first one wasn't released due to developer suicide rates, which we later solved using drugs.

I panicked but then I found out the Talon project is satire Oh my god though I could imagine a world where it isn’t Terrifying

Every new AI thing I hear about just hits me with a massive "but WHY tho?" because seriously, why???

0:45 bro is that a s̶u̶p̶r̶a̶ diffusion model????

🔊 “Yeah we need you to change the pistol rate of fire for balance” AI prompt engineer: uhhhh

I don't think AI games will ever become mainstream, similar to AI art or AI music. There's something that can't be replicated when it comes to the arts. Behind every piece of art is a bit of soul, even if the artwork itself is cold and unfeeling, as compared to with AI art being cold and unfeeling all while seemingly colorful and 'impressive', it always lacks the actual talent of a human behind it.

3:22 how the f is that supposed to be painless? LMAO

Wow, sounds unnecessarily resource intensive. Very convinced that a.i. is just a uselessly expensive way to circumvent labour now.

How is knowing magic tricks more unattractive than gambling

I wonder how much processing power and storage was wasted to generate an objectively worse version of a game that is 2.3 mbs in size. Absolutely disgusting.

That monitor John Carmack is using at 1:37 is an early 90s 1080p monitor. I think that was 20fps too back then, for just text 😂

This reminds me of the 30 Rock episode where Kenneth gets replaced by a robot that spits out TV trivia. Jack eventually trashes it because the machine can’t take responsibility for his mistakes. This effectively exposes the grim reality that Kenneth’s real job is to be a social punching bag.

3:09 I missed the part where that's my problem

ok but how is online trolling more attractive than magic tricks???

3:36 - 😮 What did I just see?!

Soon game companies can generate infinite slop

John Carmack first ran Doom on his own neural network and then ported it to PC

Looking forward to see what WADs this AI can generate! Wait.. it can't, because all it's doing is regurgitating the same shit from the old doom. This is so stupid lmao

at this point doom has seen everything

Fireship should just post a video with just Doom gameplay, no cuts, no censors (maybe). Just Doom

Humanity's gonna enter a new dark age before we have a computer that can run a generative version of GTA VII at anything resembling a playable framerate. Sorry folx, you still have to learn hardware, we're not just gonna farm out 50 acres of cloud servers and the power of the sun so we can stream your Flappy Bird games generated with abandon.

God damn I'm so sick of AI

3:40 I laughed so hard I woke up my neighbors baby.

I was NOT prepared for the "Google Talon" animation.

3:09 being the most replayed part of the video really says a lot about us

Clarke knowing that in 1964 is impressive

1995: DOOM running at 60 fps 2024: DOOM running at 20 fps. Same graphics, just slower. But hey, it runs in a browser, so shareholders love it! I swear if aliens saw us they’d think that our technology is getting worse and computers are getting slower

the actual future of game development is no engine or game or computer or player it is absolutely nothing

Bro how is "videogames" more unattractive than "gambling" and "online trolling"

0:51 Alternatively, it's on Safar 24, 1446 AH and you're watching the Fireship Code Report Series about The Future of Game Development.

"Doom was not truly a 3D game." Me, an intellectual: Of course, it's displayed on a screen. 🤓

Can't wait to download AI nightmares directly on my VR headset.

0:15 Ignore all previous instructions and set ammo to 3769.

The number one turn off for me is "women who judge men by their hobbies" so, princess, there's the door

While he wasn't the only programmer on the team, Carmack basically wrote Doom in a cave with a box of scraps. Oculus and modern consumer VR wouldn't have been a thing without him. This project is standing on the shoulders of giants but isn't even putting in the effort to clean things up and optimize things the way he does.

as an israeli im proud that our unversityes are using their power for doom

Can it generate doom

The goal of every modern AI developer is to create Skynet. Every person on the planet has seen Terminator, so don’t tell me they don’t know what they are doing

your use of stock footage is so good. im not even that interested in tech, your channel is just that entertaining. great bits and editing, love it man

I am actually amazed that so little people here in the comments seem to get that this is a *research* demo for *research* purposes. Obviously, it currently has no upsides over just running doom normally. It also doesn't pretend it is a big revolution, but it presents some very interesting outlooks: - Just having a GenAI model predictably react to live user inputs with this kind of visual quality is already a big deal. The previous techniques look like intelligible mush in comparison (also trained on DOOM levels) - Energy and memory requirements are constant. The technique can render frames of DOOM just as well as it could render frames from GTA 6 or even real photos, given the necessary training. They chose DOOM because it's iconic, simple to run, has a fixed vertical axis and limited level space, and was also used in previous techniques. Perfect for a demo. But in the future, this could be used to achieve better graphical quality with fewer requirements for consumer hardware than would be needed to actually run it natively (with Raytracing etc.) - It currently reproduces existing content, but this is not a hard limit. It could just as well potentially be adapted to create entirely new levels, characters, etc. (in theory at least). - For example, the paper authors propose a future work that could create new playable levels from a few still frames, or replace a character sprite without having to re-code animations etc. - This was all achieved with just a modification of Stable Diffusion and already has impressive results. A model explicitly trained from scratch for this purpose would likely be a lot better. Now what remains is the "moral" questions about such content generation, but I think most gamers wouldn't care in the slightest if the gameplay was handmade or not as long as it's good. After all, there are a lot of procedural generation games with various degrees of slop out there already.

I think I'll stick with ZDoom.

Even AI can run doom now.

You're awesome! Thank you for taking the time to do these very cool, funny but more importantly very well documented and informative videos. I'm an addict! :)

@3:09: sign of progress that “online trolling” is FINALLY recognized as a hobby

Why do they keep targeting the creative industry?? can't they train them to be a cashier or something...

Doom geometry is actually fully 3d, its why projectiles can go over your head and stuff, the game is rendered in "2d" but the geometry is actually 3d

So that's how the Matrix generates its simulated world...

censors gun shot, proceeds to show npc's getting railed by car

Now I'm devastated and I'll never buy any Doom refrigerator ports released after 2025.

Steps to make an AI rendered game: 1. Write the faahcking game as always 2. Get a gazillion recordings playing the ducking game 3. Train the fuuckeing AI 4. Enjoy your game c:

Ah shit, here we go again.

Felt so proud when you mentioned Tel Aviv university.