To add to this, it's also going to suck for people who console share. For those who don't know, what I mean is if you have a close friend who wants some of your games in your digital library, rather than spending money to gift them those games, you could give them your account information so that they could log in, make your profile their home console (there is a setting to do that), and then log out, allowing you to log back in, and if your trust in your friend isn't quite 100%, you can change the password and they will not lose access because of it. So by doing that, they now have access to your entire digital library. Any games you get on disc however they will not have access to. Anyway, if and when the servers for this generation get shut down, it screws you over and whoever you're sharing with.
9:30 a perfect example is the crew the servers got shutdown and the game is completely dead no one can access the game on any platform and no private server can by made or emulator
The Crew wasn't that good to begin with that is why they started to make other versions of the game that is why The Crew 2 and The Crew Motorfest exists and also for anyone that would own the first game on PC there are private servers for the game you just have to look for it and maybe one day for console people could make a private server for that which tbh i don't see a point since you have a bunch for on PC.
@@EcksGamer The Crew was an always online game. When the servers died, so did it. I haven’t seen anything about “private servers” keeping it playable. Regardless, the game being good or not isn’t the question. People still preserve ET for the Atari 2600. Art is art. Good, bad, or ugly. Maybe that ideology doesn’t resonate with some people, but I guarantee that the people who are making efforts to preserve these games would make the same argument.
To clarify, a heavy majority of physical games for the current systems (less so xbox cause they use smaller capacity discs, but its still more than half) contain the full game on disc/cartridge, and are completely playable offline without a patch. Check out Does It Play and their charts specify what games are good or bad and specifically why. Problem with nand is that they rely on an electrical method to store games where discs are just a solid unpowered piece of plastic. Discs imo are more reliable against certain enviromental hazards like corrosion from being near the ocean, or water in general from a spill or flooding. Thats just my opinion though. Till physical stops being sold, I'll keep supporting the good discs and buy digital from GOG to get my moneys worth. 👍
I’ll definitely have to check it the site you mentioned. I didn’t see that during my research for this video. In regards to the cartridge portion of your comment, I think you may be confusing RAM (volatile memory) with NAND (non-volatile memory). RAM will lose all data if power is lost, but nand is able to retain data without any power at all. Old cartridges needed batteries on them because they would store save data in RAM, but the game was on ROM. That’s why the saves would be lost, but the game was still playable. With the advancement of NAND technology, SSD’s can be made super compact and durable and not cost very much. Granted, they’re still more expensive than a disc. And THAT is why, I think, companies are going all digital or sticking with disc.
@@GarrettCrespo I was indeed talking about nand, they are still susceptible to data loss as the trapped electrical charges can slip out after time, extreme heat can accelerate that loss. From what I read nintendo uses a proprietary type of nand for 3ds/switch games where its still rewritable but for a system function where it refreshes the game by correcting missing bits. I know some people with dead 3DS games even though they were properly stored so yes its still a worry, its why I plug my cartridges in every so often to make sure they keep working. I hope we see advancements for better retention, but for actual long term storage discs are still the better solution. We're still seeing Bluray advancements today so I really hope companies stick to discs, but I cant ignore the benefit of cartridge cause it allows plug n play for games, which I sorely miss.
@@GarrettCrespo Yeah Does It Play has been super handy when I buy physical, it helped me feel at ease with buying games knowing that they will offer the full experience and maybe more. I try sharing it as often as possible cause more and more people say that discs are incomplete or just store codes. We gotta fix that cause people are falling for spending the same money (or more) for less benefits.
This video perfectly sums up why I'm spending most of my gaming time with older generation consoles (Xbox 360, PS3, PS2, and GameCube) with physical copies of games more than my current gen consoles (PS5 and Nintendo Switch). Once you legally purchase the game, you should have unlimited access to it as long as you have a copy of it because that's the ultimate purpose of purchasing copies of games.
The Bad part is here now. Internet here is over a hundred a month with data caps . Cod 1 cod can take it all for a down load even though I have the disk in my had 😅
Well right now for the Xbox 360 is that a lot of games on the store before the shut down are selling for like $3 to $10 instead of being sold for like $20 to $50 so people can be able to load up on a lot of games onto their accounts and be able to play them.
digital seems fleeting if you don't consider data hoarders and everyone working their ass off on emulation - including windows translation layers that are now often better at running games from the 90s and 2000s than native windows. (i am ready for your "but it's not the real thing" comments now, but nostalgia isn't going to preserve games and companies like limited run just exist to abuse your FOMO)
I partially agree, but you also have to keep in mind companies like Nintendo, who sue people who work their ass off to great emulators for their discontinued platforms, or companies like EA who shut down games like The Crew and it kills the game entirely. Data hoarding works pretty well, but if companies fight you every step of the way, it’s only going to get harder. My point isn’t that playing on original hardware is the only way.
If Sony figures a way out, how you can play your games from disc again without installation/patching required, i bet far more people will buy physical copies again. Xbox 360 and PS3 were perfectly balanced in terms of graphics (file size) and convenience (play instantly from disc). Im annoyed of downloading, installing, patching for like an hour to even be able to play a game. I dont see any hope for Microsoft though, they went completely wrong with a focus on all digital- subscription model.
I doubt its going to be as bad as you think, for one reason: emulation. Countless games from these consoles cam be emulated and played on. And, if you have to download the game illegally to play it...well, those companies shouldve made more copies. There are no real solutions to these situations, merely trade offs.
Very true. I'm mainly trying to highlight how you used to be able to just play games on their original consoles for decades without any risk of something external keeping you from doing it. But You're right, emulation will have to be the next step since these consoles now have a digital end of life that now dictates their physical end of life.
@GarrettCrespo which, really, if you think about it, that kind of stuff has been prophesied for years. I mean, think of Star Trek (yes it's a more ideal future, but stick with me). They have devices that perfectly emulated situations, or machines that can create any food. Digital was always going to replace disks, as that's the way technology rolls.
That is a very good point. I'm just surprised we never got to the high capacity cartridge style game distribution outside of the Nintendo Switch. We just jumped straight to all digital. Crazy stuff
Not gonna lie i don't think that digital is what makes this era of gaming "suck" What makes it suck is the complete greed and out of touch behaviour from the mainstream companies, and in that regard I'd like to site ubisoft.... An MMO called "the crew" has been completely and I mean completely closed down by ubisoft, and not just in the store sense, but in the all sense. The game has been online only during it's "run time", and after that ubisoft didn't give players the ability to play it offline, to get in the actual game you still had to pass verification through uplay servers, but that verification has been removed (and i don't mean deprecated, I mean removed). So basically: 1. You cannot install the game from any official servers 2. You having the game installed is practically worthless unless you somehow crack it 3. Probably the only way to play the crew is piracy, and that only occurs of someone has a working crack, that they are willing to share. Or you can play "The Crew 2", which leads me to the next segment. Now usually when an online game is being closed, it is said to be "saving resources". I believe this is simply not the case, even if you have no intention to keep online support up, Devs can still just unlock all the verifications with one last update for the game (which they probably are gonna do in order to shut down the game anyway), and make the game playable offline, even if you can't install it from official servers... The reason to not do that isn't to save a day or 2 of work, the reason to pull it is that after about a decade ubisoft probably realized that all the money they could squeeze from you in "The Crew" has been squeezed. So you playing is useless to them, so they will shut down the servers, they will make it uninstallable and installation unplayable, so you better cough up 70$ for that sequel of you ever want to experience something like that game again! Huh and everything you unlocked in the first game, and money you spent in that other game? Nah fam it's a rental, so you will own nothing! And you better line it! To whoever it might sound like some conspiracy, a company killing a decade long running game isn't a conspiracy, and when you take to account all of the predatory and shady practices these companies put on plays, you can see how fast it adds up. This is just 1 shady move, out of a plethora... With all being said, literally THOUSANDS of absolute MASTERPIECE games exist out there, some of them just DIRT CHEAP, so playing a bad game and taking part in all the toxicity is a choice, you can stay far away from it, and you can still be gaming
disks rot eventually, physical is not good since it gets annoying once you get a big enough collection to find space and manage,etc. also these days not all content is on the disk anyways. the ideal way is to be like gog on pc where you can download the game and keep it without relying on internet to install.
