The Future of Yu-Gi-Oh! Master Duel? 

The entire yu gi oh wing of konami is interns though

They should just ban handtraps and maxx c fixes everything

@@vergillives9890 THAT way they can adjust certain archetypes better of whats acutally broken or not.

@@cliffhanger906 indeed you have 9 forced cards in deck building regardless of deck you make if they banned even if temporary you can figure out what's the main problems

​@@vergillives9890No.....it literally doesn't fix everything. That just makes things that much easier for decks that go first and combo off to where the only going second options are board breakers and drawing one of the 3 of's in a 40 card deck. Hell that's a good way to bring FTK decks back which to be frank I don't want.

Give me my HERO

@@enovastar AGREED

Um what about the rest of the rda support?

@@davidgrant761 That's your fight

Red-Eyes Alternative Black Dragon is also not in Master Duel for some reason...

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My father was around for 4 years before his restraining order. How long has Maxx C been around?

@@C0d0pssince September 2011 so like 12 years

So ban Maxx c but super heavy and other wombo combo cards are legal? Really?

@@ariyamisthegod7444 Maxx C is not good for the game. It is used in 90% of decks or more.

i've been saying this for years! there will be time when ash and called by will suck. like in tear and spright format! some decks can afford board breaker because they r 1 card combo. what about the deck that can't?they have to waste slot for bad handtrap and crossout( garbage in tcg) of the format just because the bug exist. and ash blossom will get worse and worse as the game goes on because tons of generic engines that can easily bait ash like sinful and horus engine and when these generic engines get ash'ed, hey u know what? I just full combo anyway lol

I legit just went with full on board breakers with the only other handtrap being droll. Being able to just build decks with whatever staples you want or heck you don't even need staples and can go full gas without getting punished into oblivion is incredible there's soo much room for deckbuilding that's essentially been gatekept by Maxx C.

lmao stop strawmaning, i looked at every tcg list the past few years, every single person plays 6+ handtraps even without maxx c, ash is still played at 3, same with called by and cross out most of the time if possible, or sided in like droll

It's crazy that it hasn't. It's not hard to implement multiple formats into the game for longer than just an event

@@stonalisa3729 The working theory was that they didn't want any crossover between formats, but the TCG actually making a cameo as a Duel Trial was crazy. I still maintain the stance that all the previous festivals should remain in the Side Tab as quote-unquote "casual options" and the only ones that get rewards are the bi-monthly promoted ones like we've been getting.

Question. How many decks can break through 5+ negates?

​@@Jimpipecigarbeardepends on the hands and type of negates

@Jimpipecigarbear - Me. My Dinosaur Tearlaments deck brakes 8 negates. I run combo cards for my combos not Maxx C, Ash Blossom, ect.

@@Jimpipecigarbear charmer, sky strike, punk, mikanko ,traptrix with atrax etc. Them all can win in same turn or (survive turn 3) with or not max c. But if droll them lose.

Absolutely, worst thing

most duels dont last 4 rounds, so all the cards that can be used in the first 2 turns are the most played, and also are stapples, all the stapples are going to have inflated play rates, you see any archetype card/handtrap there? no, thats the obvious hint guess which cards can be used in those 2 turns? generic handtraps you guessed it right since the best decks can play around nibiru you will see less play, also i dont think you will find many decks with 3 copies of nibiru either, even less the ones that can draw it in the first 5 cards if maxx c doesnt resolve

Just want to add that the only reason I'll throw nib in a deck right now is because it's the best card to draw off of maxx c so it's also kind of a maxx c adjacent card

Most of those are played anyway. Even with maxx C gone in tcg Ash, Droll, Called by are always present

@@kimoritasu Except for when they aren't in certain formats like tearlaments which is the main point. Being able to side in and out of staples depending on the matchup or format is what allows you to stand a chance against the meta however Maxx C forces you to run ash and called by even if they're terrible in the current format like I said in tearlaments format. All those scars saw almost no play during then but D.D crow and Bystials did and in MD a lot of decks couldn't afford to make space for those cards because of the Maxx C package.

@@Honest_Mids_Masher I think you chose the worse example. Few things were viable/played in Tear format outside of tear and something made to directly counter it. I remember formats where every deck ran Ash because it was mandatory. The game is at a point where unless we're in a tier 0 format some handtraps will always be played. I'm not the biggest fan of the roach but I always get annoyed because there is a vast amount of unhealthy cards in the game but the wider community tends to how unfun they are

Dragoon is banned in rooms😢

Being able to test lots of different decks in duel rooms or solo would be nice. Just make it so when it comes to ranked, you need to actually own the cards.

@@samarthur407 that's exactly the thing I'm hoping for but I know it won't happen. Like hell I'd still buy packs for ranked but if I want to do dream mirror with the boys I don't want to have to actually pull for that pack for the bit

Money wise it doesn’t make sense to them, if they did that then people could just take advantage and only duel in duel rooms, make a public duel room and let anyone join

@@Guspachoo but that's assuming that no one would want to play ranked anymore and we all know that would never be the case. The concept of climbing the ladder is enough for most people.

Was looking for this comment, if anyone finds out online is love to know😊

Legit felt like freedom

The only problem omega has is occasional bugs. But apart that I love playing it. More than MasterDuel since I love playing multiple decks and grinding in MD is painful

That would be a great idea, but people hate build a board decks and probably complain that Maxx C being banned was a mistake after they voted to ban it. The ocg semi limited Maxx C once and it went back to 3 next list

​@@rafflesiaandfriends besides it would be a slam dunk in maxx C's favour because people like to complain a lot but won't give it up

@@rafflesiaandfriendsI love playing with maxx c. It should come back in the tcg

​@@fliper4568Bait used to be believable

@@Honest_Mids_Masher it’s not bait. I enjoy maxx c. I like it in master duel and I enjoyed it in the tcg. As a control player it’s a card I like

they give out loaners but those loaners are ....................................................

@@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w some of the decks of all time for sure

​@@AWPNubDieselThey really need to shake up the team that makes those Loaner decks. Certain duels in Solo were damn near impossible with those decks. "Lets give the players a clunky Gem-knight/Flamvell deck that barely works while giving the CPU a Vylon/Gem combo deck."

it should always be at 0 lmfao

I run 2

I only run 1 Maxx C. Your idea of 3 or 0 is just a opinion. I don't rely on Maxx C, its just there in my deck and when used my opponent is doomed even more than ever even if they Call By it I don't care for its real intentions with me is bait for my opponent

@@fruitybluieblue098 you are making your deck win less games for no reason LMFAO

@@lioninjawarloc no. there is a reason, and thats because its a toxic card and i dont like playing it

i just got through with it i won 3 events back to back with vanquish soul with 2 fenrir letting ceaser come out and be unaffected with fenrir pressure

Bro you did NOT just call it X.

@@kateslate3228 It's called Twitter X, there's nothing that can change that now.

Since OCG gets cards before TCG do you guys play with cards not yet released in TCG or are they banned? Just curious.

@@Enterblathnir yea pretty much everything not on the banlist is legal

Seconded this. Nowadays Konami makes archetypes that plays around Maxx C a lots. Fire King, Snake Eyes, Rescue Ace, Branded are the examples. I think unbreakable boards + Maxx C are the reasons why people choose to play another game. And i wonder why, in a banlist without Maxx C, TCG players not playing such 5-negates-end board deck such as Mannadium/Synchros

It doesn't even stop those decks from being problematic or annoying at all if Maxx C was banned those decks wouldve absolutely gotten proper hits but people are soo dumb they don't even realize that. If Maxx C wasn't in Master Duel they would've actually hit SHS properly knowing what it's capable of but because they think "Maxx C is in the game it's fine" people now have to deal with a deck that can FTK or end on 7 negates and only win sometimes because theyre lucky enough to draw one of the 3 Maxz C's in a 40 card deck and even then it ends up being such a non game regardless.

@reiyuuki0 by your own argument, if maxx c hurts most decks, even the ones that SS 3-4 times, guess what happens to those decks against a board full of negates you have the higher odds of drawing 1 out of 6 cards that counter maxx going second than maxx c resolving going second your problem is that you are only factoring unfavorable scenarios, the problem will be that going second your negate will be probably negated by the omni monsters, too bad you lost the dice roll compared to the maxx c hate i dont see the same level in response against uninteractive boards and i even lost to dumbs FTKs for not having the correct hand trap in the event, so less chances to draw an interrupt is more unfair boards for the player going first and the counter argument to ban maxx c + ban problematic cards or decks is against konami sales, less people will spend money or gems knowing that their broken dumb decks will be playable for a few weeks until they get banned

Yeah, and it feels like the whole "We need this card to deal with crazy combo decks to make things fair for other decks" argument kinda overlooks how it just makes a bubble where the card and handtraps as a whole simultaneously puts a leash on meta decks while also screwing over decks that aren't strong enough to play through them. Like sure, my non-meta deck can use utilize handtraps to prevent disruption or stop combos. But so could my opponent's meta deck. My Karakuris can still get Ash'd and get completely stuffed, my Dark World deck could easily get got if Grapha, Snoww, or Reign get Called By, and Maxx C basically just makes it so if I try to make a decent board, my opponent using a meta deck will just get more chances to interrupt it or go crazy with the bigger hand from Maxx C next turn. And I don't think I need to describe how Droll can just ruin the entire turn if I don't hit it with Called By. The way I see it personally, most handtraps, especially Maxx C, don't help bridge the gap between Meta and non-Meta or even weaken the Meta. It just feels like it adds another stipulation on trying to bridge said gap. Now, it's not just "How can my deck deal with this more powerful deck that can play during my turn and summon monsters that could negate my cards and/or floodgate me", it's also "If I try to use this handtrap, will my opponent have an out to it or play through it? If they have a handtrap, do I have an out to it or can I play through it?" It feels like nothing changes besides having to account for a card screwing me over on the occasion I don't have the out for it or my opponent has an out to my out.

@@agh91 Like I mentioned, just because I want Maxx c banned doesn’t mean that I want infinite negate boards. People complain a lot about Maxx c because, hypothetically, it’s an easier fix that could’ve been done a long time ago. It’s easier to just ban 1 singular card than to figure out how to tone down a deck without killing it. Regardless, when a deck comes out that can consistently put out multiple interruptions, people definitely do complain. It might seem like there’s less talk of it than Maxx, but that’s probably cause they figure Konami has to tone down SHS eventually. If it was in the game for a year, it would get ugly and look more like how people complain about Maxx c

I feel like thats exactly what Max C should be, and the fact that there is a chance that it can lead to complete dominance on a single player is what makes it annoying half the time

"If you control no Monsters"

Nuh, I think another problem with Maxx C is what it demolishes every type of deck except Floo. Even against something like Striker it still one for one. If we want Maxx C to be good only against combo decks to "keep them in check", give it Nibiru restriction: "During either player's turn, if your opponent Special Summoned 5 or more times this turn: You can send this card from your hand to the Graveyard; this turn, each time your opponent Special Summons a monster(s), immediately draw 1 card. You can only use 1 "Maxx "C" per turn."

@@mopsik56 The nibiru restriction is way to slow for Maxx C to even matter, unless it was retroactive and/or couldnt be responded to

​@@mopsik56this is even worse. 2nd player is the one that need to summon more to break already established board. The "control no monster" idea make much more sense.

Which came first? The problem decks that hand traps are responding to, or the hand traps that allowed such decks to be okay? I know that either way, it's a feedback loop that resulted in what we have now.

This isn't because of hand traps, it's because of power creep. In today's game if you don't interrupt boards they're oppressively strong. In a slower format, this becomes far less impactful as you get a 3rd, 4th, and more turns. One interruption isn't the game ender as it is today, as you can draw into something later. Rotation would resolve a lot of yugioh issues honestly, putting the game somewhere between Edison and today in game speed. You have flashy combos and extra deck monsters, but you don't have 3 effects on a single card.

@@MansMan42069 There were a few hand traps that existed before large combo decks, particularly Veiler and D.D. Crow, but those are quite limited in application, and were usually sided, if played at all. Large combo decks ALSO existed but were similarly scarce and it wasn't common to see one in every format. We started getting hand traps in 2016-2017, at around the same time Zoodiac came out, and we started seeing the game move to a much heavier combo format at around this time from 2017-2018, so they both started getting out of control at pretty similar times. However, I do think that hand traps are not format specific. You see them played across years of time, while combo decks do not survive the banlist or powercreep given enough time, and because new decks are what have to be designed around the hand traps, it's the hand traps that directly influence the design of newer decks coming out.

@@MansMan42069 The deck, if I'm not mistaken, we have good go 2nd cards after the disaster of PePe and Spyral deck.

@@MansMan42069 Keep in mind that the first hand trap was the original Kuriboh, all the way back when the game started, which just negated battle damage for one turn. It was annoying, but no where near as toxic as what we have today thanks to the absurd amount of power creep.

Exactly. Max C ruins the board breaking puzzle nature of the game by adding an exponentially increasing amount of hidden game knowledge against you.

​@@isidoreaerys8745This is genuinely the reason why I dislike handtraps and floodgates. They feel like band-aids on the wound on the game that are crazy, poorly designed uber-combo decks that exist because Konami either keeps fumbling on designing boss monsters that aren't generic, easy-to-summon omni-negates or refuses to hit problem cards. Instead, they make cards like Maxx C or Droll that are meant to target those combo decks. Only problem being that they're so strong in general that THEY end up creating balance problems for the game and either end up getting banned or cause more cards to be created, like Called-By or Designator, that are meant to keep them in check. It just becomes a cycle of obnoxious cards being printed in response to obnoxious cards getting printed.

well i can beat if them use max c, so not problem. I only like play in second because if break them field him lose.

It's not very good against tearlaments though and you'd be better off running D.D crow or bystials instead.

Called by's main use is not to stop combos, but to stop handtraps that would otherwise stop your combo.

@@Honest_Mids_Masher mainly think8ng if the added bonus effect of negating the effects of every version of the card too

​@@lunarshadow5584 Yeah, it feels like people forget that it can be used for cards other than handtraps. After playing through the new Makayashi gate, Called By kinda neuters the deck because it HEAVILY relies on Dakka coming back from the GY multiple times to synchro climb. Banish a copy and negate her effect for the rest of the turn, GGs. Made the entire gate a walk in the park.

​@@kindlingkingCan it not do both?

What about thr guy who goes 2nd

@@alibabasaluja6764 hand traps, kaijus, called by, forbidden droplet, etc.

no then you get a billion amerimutts with bot accounts constantly spaming for konami to ban it, it already happened before in surveys notice how konami has stoped doing most of these surveys?

It just needs to force you to put a card from your hand on the bottom of your deck each time you draw off Maxx C maybe also make it an optional effect to draw as well.

To help 2nd-go deck. They should add more variant of Thrust/Tactic. Or stronger handtrap that need to control no monster but doenst brick and summon itself to block field like psy-frame.

I don't like the idea of it at all. Even as a going second exclusive card I don't think it should do what is essentially skipping an opponent's turn or punishing them for playing the game because they didn't draw the out. That's that Kashtira format type stuff where games are decided by "did you draw the out to the Ariseheart" No card should ever put you in an ultimatum and that's an issue I have with droll too.

if you have a full board your opponent already lost unless they go massive blind second with 30 board breakers which almost no one plays, and if you do then you lose if you go first

@@Honest_Mids_Masher if you need to spam summons to "play the game" then you don't deserve to play yugioh. perhaps vanguard, or no solitaire is more your taste

Also the 9 cards staple make decks I wanna play cheaper....

That's what I think. Errata is enough. Make It have more condition to use effect. I mainly play OCG and MD format. And I don't want some combo piece of one of my favorite deck get ban like the TCG. For MD format, Just make the separate rank ladder. Who prefer TCG banlist > Go play TCG rank. Who prefer OCG banlist > Go play OCG rank.

​@darkira2129, and then there are players like me who don't have means of being able to play cards that let you get more cards into your hand when you play a deck and you need a save that you could use when you have to dual with basically 5 monsters summoned per turn and you just want to make them pay for that or just don't have any cards that let you draw cards

I belive that maxx c should be changed to have a cost in the form of this for every card drawn you have to pay 100 life points for each card drawn

​@@kenblazewargame4707Do you really think that a life point cost would stop people from playing Maxx C? Personally, I would still play it, but what do I know?

That be a fantastic idea. Giving options is good for all

Oh, and might I add that I viciously hate flood gates and generic/free walking negates.

I mean.. play magic. Or any other game with a building resource system. Yugioh is sorta unique

@@theforbiddenone2926 yugioh can be balls to the wall and still last longer than 2 turns. I have played plenty of Mid Tier vs Mid Tier games, most of them are very back and forth and fun. Baring Gimmick Puppet Nightmare (Or any other single card sweep). The problem is the sheer power of the top decks and the sheer amount of cheep one card win stealing. So many poorly designed cards make so many games way too one-sided. Ending before turn 1 sometimes.

@@mileserwin exactly. Bc you played mid tier. Yugioh is inherently going to be fast. META decks in yugioh have usually led to 1-2 turn games unless you play stun, or control. But even then, you probably lost turn 1 or 2.

@@theforbiddenone2926 All I'm trying to say is that that is not a good thing. Like, at all. Not even remotely. And my point is that change is possible and has happened in the past few years to allow for more fair games, more or less.

I also didn't find it more interesting. It just felt like yugioh and no matter if maxx c is there or not, it's really just yugioh. It also didn't answer the question of why play tcg on master duel over playing tcg on any other platform that's free other then it's an option. I would like if it stuck around for duel rooms because there's no reason we can't have the option for tcg or ocg list there.

Or instead of drawing cards after each special summon you would (at the end phase) EXCAVATE cards from the top of your deck up to the number of special summons your opponent did in this turn, add 1 of them to your hand and shuffle the rest into the deck or put them at the bottom of the deck in any order. It would be card neutral in card advantage only replacing itself but it would literally help you a little with every special summon to get a higher and higher chance to draw THE OUT. Also it wouldn't be as much of a problem going second and your opponent activating maxx c after they built a full board.

​@@FlareBlossomseething Special summon abuser 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

​@@fg009letyrds8Calling someone a special summon abuser when 99% of the decks in the game special summon in some way is pure idiocy on your part.

@@Honest_Mids_Masher Personally, I don't mind the large amounts of special summoning... except for the extra deck. SHS is the latest example of an "Archetype that only serves to get bodies on the board to make the staple ED monsters that everyone already knows about." Then there's the "Mathmechs" that build to the same coder link monsters. It's these generic Extra Deck spamming decks that need the Maxx c treatment. If the bug was errata'd so that you only drew from special summons from the extra deck, we'd see a return to main deck bosses and have the bug as a side deck option for ED spammers like SHS.

@@NotSpecialDude I don't even mind the concept of combo decks at all tbh nor the amount of summons they use in the extra deck cause that's just expending resources which weakens their ability to recover if their board gets broken though I will admit I do hate negate board which solely require for you to draw the out or lose I don't mind generic extra deck boss monsters for the fact that they help decks which just have some terrible boss monsters like Manaddium (I still run primeheart though). I don't mind if they make Barrone but when it's pared with a savage and an Appolousa I do think something needs to be addressed however I'd definitely not consider Maxx C an issue either because that won't stop those boards from existing as seen with SHS.

I was agreeing until you said Maxx C helped off meta decks. You'd be able to run much more cards to counter those decks and while they would still need to be hit they would become much more manageable than with Maxx C legal

lab was crazy unchecked and it seemed like everyone had ash 100% of the time + there was no way to interrupt ash since the 1 call by was never in your hand. that was my experience anyhow. banning max C doesn't fix yugioh's issues, it just removes 1 mini game.

​@@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0wIt fixes the biggest issue though

​@@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0wThe minigame itself was an issue though

Most people don't have the mats to change there deck to the tcg. I didn't notice it either.

i do't play paper (aka tcg) because i don't want to sell my kidneys Does it suffer from the same "draw the out idiot" meta that konami wants to force on us ? because whats 1 mini game when your just gona haft to play the other 50 mini games. your gona keep ash in, your gona keep called by in, the only difference is now you have 3 extra cards *wow so much wiggle room* and more time to grab a snack or watch a show while waiting for some bozo to finish his 50 card combo into an unbreakable board. @@Honest_Mids_Masher

This is almost not even a hot take, it's probably not far from the truth. The raw data they can collect from Master Duel is massive and consistent compared to local events or tournaments, considering player inclusion. I wouldn't be surprised if they decided to make a unified ban list for the entirety of the game.

@@samarthur407 I'm all for it tbh. The One True Banlist dream ☝️

its what they did for magic the gathering.

@@F0r3v3rT0m0rr0w For me, the Magic equivalent is The One True Format™ 🤣

AGREED

Prospy should be at 1 it’s a cracked card. Completely changes the math of every card in the game

Facts 9 pots cards 3 maps 2 Empen 😭

@@dominicmallano5633 I think it should be at 3 because everyone's deck should be able to do its thing on their turn. Consistency cards are great because bricks just aren't enjoyable.

nah i dont want to watch my opponent play half his deck

@@kyji1569 fill your deck with the other handtraps available

​@@ag4640 sadly that won't be enough to stop the unbreakable board your opponent will cook

Agree. Without it then you will pretty much sit there while your opponent plays with themselves & vomits a bunch of special summon monsters to build a board that you may not be able to break do to not having cards to break it.

how about only boardbreakers with 3 ash, super poly exists, shits on every endboard, droplet exists, shits on every endboard, dark ruler exists, shits on every endboard, except branded..

@@knechd7542 except when those are negated by effects from the other player's end board cards like generic Baron De Fleur. How about we ban all those generic boss monster that are the real problem cards & then we'll talk about Maxx C. Sound good? Then we wouldn't see the same garbage over & over again.

@@ZombGuy35 are you braindead? super poly cannot be responded to, droplet you send a monster it cannot be responded to, dark ruler cannot be responded to. like did you read those cards ever once in your live?

@@knechd7542super poly requires your to play generic cards for it which tightens you ED, droplet requires resources so when you opponent has 4 monster negates to have to throw 4 other cards, dark riler no more makes ur opponent immune to damage so otking is not an option.

Counterpoint: the opponent will still 15 minute combo deck you and then Maxx c you on your turn, because they drew it and you didn’t.

​@@utopia19876 even so, it's better to have it and have some chance, than to just go into that situation they described with no chance at all.

stuff like Spoly, Nib, DRNM, Droplet exists, I rather have those blow out options that Opp can't respond to going 2nd, than a roach that opp can drop on my head any time, with or without a board.

@@Hoshino_Aoi if they even get a chance to use it. Like the op said, there's a lot of ways to negate maxx c.

Unpopular opinion? Nah that's just terrible logic.

Lmao yeah some Japanese player was playing crooked cook final countdown. I had underworld goddess in my S force deck and just kept on preventing him from summoning another cook

Make sure to ask for it in the next survey cause I know I sure will ;)

put this scenario, maxx c is out of the decks whats next? droll 70% play rate? call by stops droll > call by is still a stapple veiler? maybe still ash?