The Gaming Laptop Problem Has Been Solved 

thanks for the info !

Glad you’re back!

We miss you bro

Oh yeah, forgot RU-vid isn't your full time job

you just called my whole kind idiots 😭 I am unsubscribing ÆOUUUUGH (jk, lol)

Though they do it in a really weird way, especially on the ports side. Too wide modules for a single port. They should make them wider and offer combo ports. Now it looks just like wasted space.

@@constantinosschinas4503 yeah combo ports are definitely something they need to work on.

You and me both. I came close to buying one on 2021 when my T480 died. (Liquid damage from vaping as it turns out) I wound up getting another T480 so at least I got spare parts but the day I'm looking to replace/upgrade my Laptop I'm looking into framework first! I hope they take a crack at a phone one day too.

​@@constantinosschinas4503 well adapters are not the only tgings the framework side modues can dox they can also be things like 2230 SSD expansions. At any rate the most importsnt reason why is 1 slot of 1 full thunderbolt 3 port.

@@thebravegallade731 their port module should be at least 1.5x wide it is now, or even full available length. That is all i am saying. To be able to fit 2x USB 3.0 at least. Also, even with present module, why their USB-C is single?? The slot can easily host 2 of them. If bandwidth was an issue, they could declare shared bandwidth. And that single audio jack, which would at least share a USB/C, is just for laughs. Now, the slots look like a gimmick that favors the product appeal and not the end user. They could even have instead of the silly single slots, full wide, 3x slots that offer greater flexibility and bandwidth. I would support the platform bht is just a gimmick and designers are pretty dumb. They basically need a much better head designer that would simply say cut the crap, where needed. This can be tackled even now, on the 16 model (no wonder they changed that, they understood the issue and left no gap between modules. CORRECTION: THEY DID NOT LMAO). Just release wider modules that fit into current geometry, if they were smart enough to remove any gaps for the modules.

He's levitating

He blew my mind when he stood up in that video. I almost felt cheated on

Schrödinger Dave confirmed.

@@buckduck3624 Relax Dua Lipa.

I think standing

Copious quantities of W

Not a win. A SUPREME VICTORY.

can't spell Framework without a W

This wont fly anytime soon. DELL, ACER, ASUS, HP & IBM have congress on their pockets for decades. They will bury this company

​@@simiolonga they turned a W into a V

So long they have managed to stay 2 years in market. Hope they can get another 30 years or so

I just hope they have a profitable business model and people actually buy these things. I'll be getting a 16-inch when they come out for sure.

In the old days, they were. Laptops were classified by "spindles" either 2 or 3, and each spindle could be a floppy drive, CD-ROM, hard drive, modem, and a few adventurous OEMs even experimented with graphics card spindles (nothing fancy by modern standards, we're talking Tseng 2D graphics cards). The laptops were horribly bulky, noisy, slow, and had terrible battery life. PCMCIA and the death of physical media killed the need for spindles. EDIT: Forgot to mention, you could also get battery spindles, and some laptops let you hot-swap the battery while it was running. Pretty useful back in the day when most laptops had sub-3 hr battery life.

Dell tried it in the past with area 51 model but failed. Left customers hanging with expansive laptops and no upgrades

Не смогу написать на английском. Проблема модульных ноутбуков в том, что они менее надежны относительно привычной конфигурации. Если вы пользуетесь ноутбуком как портативным устройством, носите его с собой по дому, берете в дорогу, рано или поздно вы столкнетесь с тем что один из модулей даст люфт, где то замкнет и вы потеряете всю систему. Это как если бы вы настольный компьютер постоянно перетаскивали, трогали, наклоняли и всё такое.. рано или поздно система сломается.

Lol “reusable parts” do not equal profit. The tech companies could care less

Finally a 6 headphone jack device, so I can catch up after all those iphones lacking headphone jacks!

Well probably it would be 5 headphone jacks, you need one of the USB-Cs for charging after all

@@AdaDenali you can charge it to full and then swap the last slot to a jack as well.

@@andrasbesenyei8923 true

​@@urulooke That's the real deal

Check out the fair phone, its not really made for being upgraded but everything is an easily replaced module

trying to clean my laptop fans for the first time and zapping it dead is still a traumatic experience for me

@@oliver-shi My condolences :( .. nobody should go thru such a truamatic experience :(

That's a really good point. We moved to southern Portugal two years ago and my gods the dust. I've never had such dirty computers before.

I've repasted my msi gaming laptop twice in the last 3 years. I blame my cats lol. I really like this product.

There's an issue here. Because you can't have a modular coldplate and heatpipes. The CPU is not passively cooled, it have to have a cooling system inside by default, probably extracting hot air on the sides. So, you will have 4 fans in the laptop and 2 modular. Look at the vents on the sides.

This is bringing me back to the Thinkpad ultrabay days

@@piyh3962 I fondly remember those days. We used them where I was working. Best keyboards you could get at the time.

The downside is that the list of countries they ship in is still limited like 2 years later. Outside of Taiwan, Eastern and South East Asian countries would have to resort to 3rd party couriers just to get one of these. And they should also consider cases where there are could be some damage to their device when it reaches their doorstep.

Has she upgraded it already? If not, how can you say it's so easy to upgrade?

@Sohu changed to 12th gen mobo. Waiting for cooler master case mainboard case to repurpose into a small pc for my kid for 11th gen.

@@security9999 hope you're upgrading it to ryzen once it's available. The battery life gains will be huge

@@defnotatroll tbh not worth it for one generation when you'll also need to get ddr5; I'd suggest waiting for next gen ryzen/intel, because Intel could have huge battery life gains (more than ryzen) with the efficiency cores once they optimise them

@@leonro I am waiting for 14th Gen as well with the improved iGPU for my 13". Waiting for DDR5 prices to fall and reviews for the AMD models, plus the new Intel drivers considering 14th gen iGPUs are based on Arc, and could be as powerful as the A380 desktop.

It was just confirmed to have a 2560 x 1600 165 hz screen with high brightness and 100% DCI-P3 coverage.

Man with that refresh rate . If an Oled/mini-led model is released. I will buy it right way

​@@yuvrajsingh099funny you mention that. Due to the upgradeable nature of it. You could simply buy the upgraded display panel for a fraction of the cost to buy a new model

@@heroninja1125 I am thinking of same thing there are a lot of OLED and mini led with variety of features , resolution, 120+ hz. And many with touch are also available and framework motherboard support touch.

@@yuvrajsingh099 They just released a 2.8k 120hz 500 nit display for their smaller framework laptop. So yes, they absolutely are making display upgrades. It will be interesting to see what the framework 16 gets in the future. I'm personally a framework 16 user and I love the display, its accurate its fast and its high enough resolution for pretty much anything you want to throw at it.

It is definitely a win for people into tech. It's a hard sell for someone who does not care about tech and replacing parts of their computer. But it's a definite win for techies.

@Charles Moswane I think if you explain to a non tech person what swapping out parts allows them to do, they'd be into it. My mom just spent thousands of dollars buying a laptop for all the stuff she wants for work. She ended up buying a laptop with an rtx 3070 and an intel i9 12th gen when she didnt need that much power, just the RAM and storage it came with that you could not get with a lower end model. I don't think she even knows you can open a laptop and upgrade the memory/storage. She's far from a tech person, but I bet she'd be interested in buying a base laptop and only adding what she needed if she knew that's an option (I didn't know she was shopping for a laptop otherwise I would have helped her. She just called me to ask for tech support when she couldn't figure out the Windows 11 UI)

@@zakarymcleod1850 The reasons to switch this make sense, well, at least to you and me. A lot of people use a computer as a tool, rather than a statement about who they are (Apple products). So I do see them definitely appreciating an ability to simply swap out one thing to upgrade as opposed to purchasing a completely new tool. The problem starts when you have to know what you need, and also have to know what to replace it with. To be able to make the right decisions there you have to follow tech and/or at least have a fundamental understanding of how computers work... and that makes you a techie (or maybe a tech newbie). Most people are unnecessarily intimidated by tech. That is what will make this a hard sell.

@@es-zw3mg I think so too. I just hope that there are enough of us to sustain the company.😇

You can have those on other laptops already.

Its bomb but will it sell? No. Your going to buy a FRAMEWORK over and ASUS? Zero chance

@@legionjames1822 I absolutely would. In fact it'll probably be my next laptop.

@@legionjames1822 im legitable considering spending 300€ more just because i know i can use it for longer and itll make sense in th elong run. everyone who does the math. will end up buying it.

​@@legionjames1822 Choosing Framework over Asus for tech enthusiasts like us, who research and live on this stuff is a pretty easy thing, and I'd choose any day over Asus as long as the company sticks to its goals - which they are doing! But in the case of the end consumers - I don't think a lot of people know about Framework and what they do. And they'd definitely choose an Asus or apple over Framework. Framework started as an idea and is still in the phases of being implemented. They still don't have a global outreach to the end consumers, and trust me when that happens - with a good product lineup and serviceability, they can do wonders. One thing I did notice about Framework is how they are keeping everything open-sourced. They want the industry to support change and shift to modularity. Not tie their product line into "You don't have our proprietary stuff? Im sorry - You aren't tied to our ecosystem. You need to get this specific one for it to work perfectly" kind of shit. They want other companies to support the change. And that's what I love.

@@justrandomdmi like it the way you put it as well but its wishful thinking i believe. These big tech manufacturers are into PROPRIETARY techologies. They're not going open source proprietaty products.

​@@kimcastro7034 scammer

Lifetime is a bit of a stretch...

True, and I would add. The people who can should buy this.

lol this already existed for literally decades

what specifically in the biggest innovation? this isn't a new concept lmao

I've seen the same modular principle on a smartphone many years ago. Never heard anything about it ever since. Wouldn't be surprise if this will be the same. Just as it happens with every new °gRo0uNdBrEaKinG° battery development. MASSIVE HYPE, then silence forever.

​​@@AdioAurel You are referring to Google's Project Ara which was a concept that never saw the light of day. The biggest differences between Framework and Google's project Ara are: 1. Google has a habit of dumping their projects on a regular basis which makes them untrustworthy to take chances on, even more untrustworthy than your average startup IMHO. Mainly because even when Google does release products based on their projects AND even if millions of people are using those products they'll still drop them if they decide the tech does not warrant continued investment or if they simply want to change gears. Since Google is so big they know they don't have to worry about pissing off a few million people. 2. Project Ara never saw the light of day as a product you can buy whereas Framework began selling their first modular laptops in 2021 that you can buy on their website today in various configurations from a lowly Chromebook all the way to 11th and 12th Gen Intel CPU's and they are taking pre-orders on the next 13th Gen Intel and AMD Ryzen 7040 versions now. Where Google only teased concepts of modular smartphones, Framework has actually/already released modular laptops. 3. Additionally, Framework has already promised to open up the module market to third party makers which provides the potential safety net of multiple sources for future upgrades even if Framework went out of business. Opening up module development to third party makers has not been done yet so framework will have to be held to that promise as soon as it's economically feasible for them to do so. Obviously they'll need to determine a way to license access to makers that prevents third parties from putting them out of business. 4. There are already people who have created user made modules of their own using 3d printing. It is for all these reasons that I'm strongly considering purchasing a 16-inch version once it's released. Just an FYI

@@AdioAurel Smartphones are too small to be modular, they are also handled more harshly so it harder to make durable modular smartphone. On the other hand, laptops are bigger and its easier to make them modular. Also framework already selling their 13 inch model which is easly upgradable and some parts are modular, not as modular as this 16 inch but 13 inch is already selling and 16 inch is already in production so it will definitely happen.

@@danosk1 there is the Fairphone which is modular offers spare parts. It’s an overpriced niche product.

@@AdioAurel the difference here is that Frameworks has a man named Linus Sebastion on the board and an investor in the company.. Linus Tech Tips/Media Group are the biggest tech platform on RU-vid and hes respected in the industry and the fans trust his opinion.. people dont realize the marketing power Linus can push onto this amazing company

i hope framework sets the standard and then "normal" manufacturers make compactible hardwares just like what happens to chromebooks

An Issue I can see coming up is if other companies come in with their own modular solution and there is no standard for these parts, it will be all a proprietary mess connector mess. What I hope for instead is AIBs like Asus/Gigabyte/MSI to follow a standard design that Framework has created that other laptop companies can follow suit in. Of course, that would require a lot of time and popularity for Framework to be a dominant laptop brand to get there, but it is possible!

@@cmac8O8 fair point. There should be open standards just like usb is open. But pcie is also open so perhaps it will be up to the component developers to make components available for the various laptop designs.

MXM seems to be dead since RTX 20xx, the thermal limit wouldn’t matter that much if the next generation of products offered better performance in the same thermal envelope. Like what CPUs do with 15w, 35w, 45w and so on. If MXM died out, and if socketed laptop CPUs died out, there is little hope that a new solution by a single manufacturer would succeed, but at least they are trying

I disagree on the thermal front. Generally, if you wait for a couple generations, the performance per watt and feature set justifies an upgrade to a similar tier gpu so that the GPU works fine with the old system.

Thx for watching my stuff!

@@Dave2D Thank YOU Dave for making such great videos 🙌🏻🙌🏻

He got busted by police, while speed driving. He had to wait until someone bail him out. Of course 1st April

@@steffdia7080 Naw, he would be busted for increasing the speed on FPS, on his gaming laptop, that he would not admit to buying! 😊

the problem is that the space is quite thin, not to mention the challenges of optimising audio output in multiple configurations; I'd love to see it happen though

You should watch Linus' hands on with it, I think you'll like the section covering the keyboads surface options

@@leonro Not sure if it is thing enough but the current MEMS speakers are actually quite thin.

I think that would be a little bit more complicated due to a dac being required in addition to wiring, but it sounds doable enough

Rattling might also be an issue

the good thing about the framework... most of their schematics are open source. so if Framework dosent offer one, someone will make one.

Indeed I think there was mention that they would provide an enclosure to slap your old battery into for a battery on the go. So you could theoretically have both more GPU *and* more battery plugged into the PD port.

Buy their products if you actually care

Linus: as an investor of the company of the company, I made a bad decision... WHY DIDNT I BLOW MORE MONEY ON THEM?!?!? The fact that they now came out with a 2nd model means they are succeeding. Despite most of the PC sales are still office slave laptops, we the PC community, and the tech enthusiasts are winning over companies insisting that we need to get a new one if we want more performance or usability.

​@@TheHammerGuy94 I'd imagine that these laptops would be the dream for conpanies' IT departments as well. Fucked up your screen? Sticky key? Port doesn't work? Let me replace it during your lunch.

I think they already moving at his direction with their marketplace but who is stopping us from selling it as regular PC parts?

@@vadym8713 Of course no one, just thought it will be nice to have a centralized marketplace since the user base will be rather small, at least in the beginning. Easy for everyone to access and trade this way. But I'm sure people will be trading on eBay Reddit etc., when this gains momentum. I look forward to this brand kicking off

Already brought up as a goal of Framework to have a used parts trading/selling part to their store for users.

Framework does have plans for a used marketplace, but in the meantime, the community has already made a subreddit called r/frameworkmarket.

@@vadym8713 Well the people that are going to buy your framework parts, are framework device owners, so might as well create it's own marketplace. It'll make the process easier and more trustworthy for consumers.

Or, the USB-PD standard may get updated, and newer boards could support that future standard

Also the battery as a powerbank, and they are also working on on the screen, so people can reuse them as regular monitors if the change/update the one they have

@@Pro720HyperMaster720 oh cool! I didn't know that - that just makes me want one even more!

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That is an amazing idea!

You can buy an external GPU for that, it would be cheaper and more powerful.

@@HNedel How do you know it will be cheaper? Usually, the enclosure costs $300 or more, I could see how it may be cheaper in the long run but having the option to do either is great.

@@Melchirobin there has NEVER been a mobile CPU or GPU that is cheaper than an equivalent desktop part, at least since I can remember, and i started dabbling in PCs back in the 286 era. Even if you can get a 4090 for this laptop, this will cost at least as much as a 4090 desktop card, is based on the 4080 chip, and will be power limited to 140W or something like that. This will never, ever, in a million years, beat a 350-400W card based on the same chip. Chips just don’t work like that, i don’t need to have seen the models and prices to know this. And you have the premium price for it being portable on top of that.

@@HNedel No thats a fair point I do not expect it to be competitive with with 80 or 90 class cards I meant more along the lines of 50/60 class cards where it does not make sense to buy a $300 enclosure that takes up more space. Also I get you point of a thunderbolt graphics card but having the option is never a bad thing.Its not like they are taking something away by giving this option. Realistically I am not going to get since I'm going into my senior year of college and after that I don't see myself needing a laptop that much after college but being able to choose between more performance or more battery life just sounds so cool to me and being able to easily swap between them is actually groundbreaking IMO.

If they ship to BG i think this or the 13inch are contenders for my upgrade. My old laptop is circa 2008 :)

I hope framework tries to make a phone someday

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2 battery for mobility, 4090 for home "produCTivity".

Their batteries can still be replaced easily.

How many upgrades do you think you will get for the live of the device ?

@@bandito241 that's the question good sir.

waait so lenses wasn't replaceable back then? that sounds dumb if we heard it nowadays

@@fltfathin Other interchangeable lenses had been done, but it was the quality and non-obsolesence of the whole system that made these ferociously expensive cameras a good investment for many top photographers.

🤔

I’m the idiot that’s been plotting to buy one 😂

We all are. Look at us laptop chads

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Smaller System Integrators (SIs) like Maingear (relative to dell, lenovo, asus, acer, etc) already do that, with ODMs like clevo that slightly customize the base design. Of course actual end-user easy to use upgradability/reparability is SO much better.

Oh holy shit the site has preorder pricing and it is looking VERY interesting

But that would only power the GPU, it wouldn't send any power to the CPU and the battery. You'd have to plug in both the gpu module and the type-c power at the same time, a lot of cables. So it's much easier if the thing just had a dedicated power plug, for a charging brick sold seperately. If you don't need it, you don't buy it and just charge through usb-c.

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if they come out with enough models, they might branch out and find more international partners so we don't have to deal with international shipping.