The Genetic Heritage Of The Marines Malevolent - 40K Theories 

The inquisitor that investigated them.for chaos corruption, probably: "They're not corrupted. They're just assholes."

*A planet is under assault, all hope seems lost until a Space Marine strike cruiser tranisitions into the system "Oh God Emperor, the Space marines are here!" Sees that its the Marines Malevolent _"Oh God Emperor no the Space Marines are here!"_

When something bad happens to the chapter: Lamenters: Aw you poor things Marines Malevolent: and nothing of value was lost

They're "loyalist" Death Guard Blackshields descendant from Crysos Morturg's post Heresy Independent Company. In the short stories about Crysos and his band they're stationed aboard the battle barge the Malevolence and they refer to themselves as the Marines of the Malevolence.

These marines make their recruits play No Russian and only pick the ones who want to replay it to get a higher score

When even the Black templers think your chapter's gone overboard with the reckless endangerment of human life, you know something is wrong.

They forgot to disable friendly fire in every mission that they where deployed

Marines: land Death Korps: sad shovel noise Marines: malevolent Death Korps: happy shovel noise

" _The xeno and the traitor are innovative and resourceful -- and so are we..! They never stop thinking about ways to harm humanity and the Imperium -- and neither do we..!_ " ~ Chaplain Dub'ya of the Marines Malevolent, probably

They've got to be Iron Warriors Loyalists. Because they act like Perturabo did throughout pre-Heresy and the Heresy.

You forgot to mention that the Marines Malevolent emblem is the 4th legions first emblem, used before rediscovering Perturabo: a winged lightning bolt. A similar emblem continued to be used by the Iron Warriors as their fast attack emblem.

They haven’t fallen to Chaos because even Chaos doesn’t want them

I suspect loyalist iron warriors

"When the inquisition glasses a whole planet, no one bats an eye." "We vaporize a couple thousand, and suddenly everyone loses their goddamn mind."

Ah yes. The classic "with friends like that who needs enemies" types of Astartes.

You see yellow marines in the distance, you think “Yay, the imperial fists or maybe the lamenters!” No, it’s the marines malevolent

I kind of like the Marines Malevolent. Their entire theme is basically that the galaxy is such an unforgiving place that doing what is morally right will more often than not have worse consequences in the long run, so it is better to just set aside notions of morality and do what works. Doing what is morally right is a luxury that can seldom be afforded and those who choose to indulge in that luxury do so at the expense of opportunities for victory due to misplaced sentimentality. Or in other words, the Marines Malevolent embody the grim darkness of the dark future. Where other chapters like the Ultramarines or the Salamanders represent hope that there is a better way, the Marines Malevolent represent the cynical nihilism that there is no better way. Humanity must survive and thinking that you've failed in that mission for not having done it the "right way" is a weakness that will only hasten mankind's extinction.

The Marines Malevolent being a Salamander's successor (Yes,they exist in canon) would be so ironic. I'd especially like to see how the Salamander's would react to the Marines Malevolent sharing genetic primogenetor with them but them having Traitor liniage would make more sense canonically.

Ah yes, the AnCap marines. I nurture the fond belief that, on some Salamanders battle barge or other, there is an exquisitely crafted, larger-than-life bronze statue depicting Tu’Shan knocking that one Marine Malevolent the f*** out.

I was always under the impression that they were just where the misfits from other chapters were dumped, so that the Imperium could cram them into one spot in order to watch them instead of having their tendencies influence other chapter. I do really like the Iron Warriors idea, as they are very similar in many ways.

Although the Iron Warriors seem like the most likely parent legion. The sheer irony of the Marines Malevolent being successors of the Salamanders, is just to good too rule out.

Reminds me of the crusade against the cathars. Aide de camp "there are innocent people down there" Inquisitor "don't worry, God will separate them out" Biggest massacre of a city to that date.

The Marines Malevolent are the kind of people who would blind their own teammates with flashbangs so they can steal the kill.

I'm going with loyalist Iron warriors on this one. Think about it. You've lost the greater part of your chapter to chaos corruption. Your association with the past becomes at best shameful. At worst a death sentence. Im betting you, they disowned the iron warrior name and reorganized after the end of the Horus Heresy.

You said they're highly logical and didn't care for others pretty much. I assume they use them as cannon fodder. These are actions of the iron Warriors, who used any troops as cannon fodder and really didn't care for humans much unless they displayed immense combat skills. That's my understanding

I say Curze because he’s the only one to hate Vulkan that much and even Peturabo isn’t that petty.

I'll tell you their genetic heritage: Wasps and hornets. Seriously, it's in their colour scheme, and they are, shall we say, somewhat venomous? Also, from the things I've read about the Marines Malevolent, I'd say they go one further than 'just' being callous and ruthless. They're straight up cruel, and they almost seem to RELISH the fact that their actions are causing mass death and destruction on BOTH sides. This whole 'they're too weak to fight back, therefore they deserve to die' mindset is something right out of the mindset of a World Eater, Night Lord, or Iron Warrior.

Marines malevolent - open fire on enemies holding civilians. The Imperium of man- destroys planets and entire civilisations because someone once saw a demon.. I know which one I fancy my odds with. 😄

I was thinking Iron warriors before it was mentioned, that also explains why its "Unknown"

I really chuckled at the phrase "Alpha Legion allies". Who needs enemy spies when your allies already plant spies in your ranks?

Honestly the marine malevolent should have “loyalist” in the description

Iron Warrior Loyalists, acting just how their father wanted.

Great video! For me the nail in the coffin of the 4th Legion answer is that the 4th Legion used the "winged-bolt" iconography of the 8th crusade fleet before Perturabo was found. I think this lore came after this video.

You know you're assholes when another Chapter can almost blow you up and the Inquisition basically shrugs and goes "Eh, whatever."

The Marines Malevolent...The only chapter to make an Angry Marine say, "What an asshole!"

Marines malevolent is like the kid who bullies the nice teacher for no reason

Either Iron Warriors or Iron Hands imo

Did the imperial fists get there 2 missing glands back after getting primaris?

The Genetic Heritage Of The Marines Malevolent: Cronyism.

I thought the Marines Malevolent was the Black Templar equivalent to the Ultramarines

You know, given how the Imperium of Man operates, and that this is supposed to be a grimdark setting, I'm surprised that more Astartes don't share the Marines Malevolent's attitude. I honestly wish more of them were like that for the purposes of depicting the Imperium as the truly repressive and vile authoritarian regime it is. But on the bright side, we've got the Inquisition for that.

So the Iron Warriors may have manged to spawn both the Minators and Marines Malevolent? So the guys that go around killing other space marines and a chapter that kills everything else.

Would it also be possible that the Malevolent could be the descendants of Loyalist Astartes from Traitor Legions? While not engulfed with an obvious rage, their level of brutality, cruelty, and malice give me World Eater vibes. This could also explain their fanatical weeding of even the slightest weakness, as they could view their Legion`s betrayal as being due to the very weakness they despise, and believe having such weakness can lead to Treachery. Or see it as penance for their Legion`s sins Probably not the case, but it`s an interesting possibly.

I would buy into the Iron Warrior lineage. I like the grey foundings ( I call them that don’t know the official term) a lot and wish GW would come out and just say it. It would give so much character to the off hand chapters if read and seen I the various codex editions since I was a kid.

I'm sorry, orks INFILTRATED a camp? Sneaky gitz musta been wearing purple.

They make the Black Templars look like a bunch of huggable fluffy kittens.

Was the 4. Legion really for the Edict? As far as I remember, Perturabo showed dissappointment after its inception.

I doubt they're Iron Warriors. The Silver Skulls are brutal, but hardly disdained all weakness like the Iron Hands, and are proof that they can make dutiful and honorable warriors. The Skulls also used psykers, which is more in line with the Iron Warrior's ideal of throwing everything at their disposal to level/take a structure. The Iron Hands have, to use a term from TTS, a 'brutal asscrack' idea of sticking to orders and to hell with everyone weaker than them. the MM are as bitter and cold as the old Iron Warriors, but the IR were only that way because Pertarabo was an asshole and they were given missions without glory or recognition. Far more likely the Marines are Ferrus's worst elements put in a separate chapter after that Moirae Schism which had some iron fathers exiled.

Guardsmen: HELP US! *several space marine drop pods entering orbit* Guardsmen: hooray! It’s the space marines were saved! *marines malevolent land* Guardsmen: OH NO! ITS THE SPACE MARINES!

The Idea of chapters founded by traitor legion's contingents should not sound so strange for second founding products: the shear scale of the Horus Heresy and the uncontrolled Legion size could have created many situation where large pockets of these legion could have chosen to betray (including members of the loyalists) or to stay loyal, depending on the tactical situation, like when intermixed group of marines from different legion's were fighting side by side in the same sector. While the wide spread of the Butcher nail for Angron's sons or the deeply catechization among the World Bearers would have made the call of Horus stronger, not all the "not traitors" would have been able to reach the Istvan sector, or Horous would have been still waiting to start his Heresy, due to the galactic distances, and completely withdraw from some local conflict could have drawn too much attention from the loyalists. The seed of betrayal was rather new by the times of Istvan and I doubt it had time enough to reach those contingent too far away from their Primarchs and probably operating with a relative autonomy in the sectors where they were assigned. At the end of the Heresy the victorious Empire was drawn on its knee and whatever resource available was precious. Contingents who had proven to have fought valiantly, despite being eyed closely by the rising inquisition could not be just erased without further bloodshed and resentment, but just to disperse foreigners with different traditions in large quantities among the loyal legions and then split them in chapters would create a lot of rough ground for both parts. It was done before with the two lost legions but it took the mind power of Malcador and the Emperor himself to allow them to melt seamlessly, something not available at the end of the Hersy. The new Codex Space Marines by Guilliman offered a way out: by founding chapters with names unrelated to the original legions allowed loyalist contingents of the traitor legions to keep existing as a cohesive kinship inside those new chapters and get rid of an heritage the most probably wanted to distance the self from, melting into the thousands of freshly formed chapters without the taint of a name that would draw on them hate and mistrust from the rest if the Empire. No surprise that any of these chapter did whatever possible to erase all traces of their heritage, to the point that after 10k year they could completely have forgot. It is also notable that Belisarius Cawl tried asking Guilliman to be allowed to use the genetic pool of some of the traitor legions to create new primaries marines, and this because most of the current loyalist legion geneseeds have degraded to the point of being useless. We know for a fact that some of the traitor legions have extremely pure geneseeds, like the Emperor Children's, the Death Guards, the Alpha Legion, the Iron Warriors and the Luna Wolves, while some, like the World Eaters and the World Bearer were not different from an Ultramarine before having the butcher nail installed or being subjected to an intense brain washing by the chaplains. Furthermore, a Pre-Heresy World Bearer chapter would be the Dream-Marine for any current eclesiarchy member, given the core of the 40K church belief is actually based on the Philosophical teaching of the Aurelian himself. Sucks to be Guilliman!

Was waiting for this video as soon as d1sarmon1a uploaded the art featured in the thumnail!

The Marines Malevolent are my favorite chapter. I want to hear more stories about them

These are the kind of Astartes that will do a lot of Friendly Fire to Imperial Guardsmen...and Inquisitors if they're that unlucky.

Marines Malevolent: They're using human shields? Ha ha, that's cute.

The Marines Malevolent were made using the (for lack of a better word) genetic scum that was left over from the creation of other chapters. They're the Space Marine equivalent of Sprucrons.

I think they are descend of the Night Lords. But remove her terror tactics with extra jerkassery, multiply her cowardice several times.

I think another possibility is World Eaters. They did have the largest number of loyalists during the Istvaan iii atrocity and not everyone died there.

What if Vulkan led the Imperium after the War of the Beast?

If they are descended from loyalist iron warriors you'd think they'd try to distance themselves in behaviour, not exaggerate one trait to an extreme.

It's because of their attitude to collateral damage that would make a Black Templar think is excessive that they're hated, with "friends" like them, who needs enemies? | 2:16 - The Salamanders, everything that the Marines Malevolent aren't. | 8:17 - (monotone) All hail the Ultrasmurfs (normal) It depends on whether or not the Codex Astartes supports large amounts of collateral damage. | 12:50 - Yeah, that would make sense, considering how messed up they were to each other.

I had an idea. Maybe they're loyalist Fallen that are hiding in plain sight. I'm going to go tell Asmodai.

I honestly thought they were just Iron hands without the cybernetic obsession

I wonder how many of the Chapters with no known progenetor chapter could be descended from one of the two Lost Chapters?

World Eater stock. The War Hounds were pretty brutal. Also, no psychers through that's due to Butcher's Nails and later Khorne.

Did the marines from the two unknown chapters not become incorporated in the Ultramarines? I believe it was hinted to in a HH book. If so then maybe the Marines Malevolent and other chapters could be from these if the marines chosen were predominately from them, when new chapters were formed?

If the Marine's Malevolent are probably from the Iron Warriors. There's a lot of simlarities between the two.

I had always heard that the Dark Angels had the most chapters and most stable gene seed

Thanks to 1d4chan I kept hearing the Denis Leary song in my head through out this video

"Marines Malevolent are THE WORST"- Geedubs

Ah yes, the ‘we did it Patrick! We saved the city!’ Chapter

I hope GW makes a paint line Malevolent Piss Yellow, because I can't, in my good conscience, paint them in other beautiful and noble colors.

Chapter: unknown primarch 40k fans: ITISTRAITORGENESEED!!!1!!

Marines Malevolent are Iron Hands and Iron Warriors. Disdain for weakness and callous disregard for civilians.

"I barbecued that woman because she's a heretic" ~ Brother Dennis Warcrime of the Marines Malevolent

Every primarch and legion:These aren’t ours.

13:12 lmfao world eaters is what I thought then all the sudden iron warriors and Peter turbo smacked me in the face with dorns severed hand

Thank the emperor, reinforcements! *Marines malevolent arrive* Dammit, reinfrocements have arrived

Interesting, I always thought it was explicitly stated that they were IF successors but apparently not.

I think the Black Dragon's are not Sallies but Raven Guard descended more to the point Were guild would explain the bone "claws". But on topic could the MM be part of the Dark Angels destroyer cadre the Dreadwing.

I'm convinced they're Iron Warriors. They hazard stripe their wargear, they can't wait to get rid of their corvus plate, accept corrupted armor and just resist it through sheer will. They blow stuff up from a distance and don't care who else gets killed. They often have to fight on without ammunition. They sceme against each other to gain power, even killing their own brothers. If that's all you heard about the IVth Legion, you'd know enough. They do NOT obsess over cybernetics like Iron Hands, nor do they go on and on about the death of Ferrus Manus. They don't obsess over rules like Ultramarines. They don't seek martial excellence by the book. I don't see them being Guilliman's sons. Many Space Marines can become callous, but few of them actually start out that way.

I honestly like the marines malevolent because the give 0 fucks, and behind that are the Iron hands because they are just absolute units of steel

plot twist: the marines malevolent are successor chapter of the white scars and act so cruel because they’re angry all the time about the fact no one does anything interesting with their primogenitor legion

I'm leaning towards the Iron Hands, solely because if they were descended from Iron Warriors, the multiple Inquisitorial investigations should have found something.

We all have a Marine Malevolent in our lives, some of us are even one of their battle brothers.

I fear the day where Big E gets up from his golden toilet and finds out the Marines Malevolent are a thing

Who wants confirmed salamander successor chapters,?

"Claderal damage is just part of erradication. Continiue shelling"

I like to imagine that the marine malevolents are the successors from one of the lost legions. And they might not know all the facts about the purge of their ancestors, but believe that it was mostly unwarrented. As such, they are generally upset in general and resentful towards other marines specifically.

I hope they are Smurf successors. I know GW would never tarnish the spiritual liege with this though sadly.

Ah a chapter of looters and team killer

How do chapters effectively travel through warpspace if they reject psykers, or have I miss understood the edict of Nikaea?

The fact that the Marines Malevolent are quite happy to bombard the crap out of an entire region when they know they'll have to go in after and purge it with flame to keep the orks down, suggests they are Iron Warrior successor Chapters. Which means they will be listed as an Ultramarines successor, as I have long suspected it Guilliman personally took on the Astartes that stayed loyal. My suspicion is founded on the fact that of the loyalist Primarchs remaining post-Horus Heresy he is the most steadfast and loyal, meaning he would resonate with those marines who chose the Emperor over their Primarch. This is bolstered by the fact Guilliman would therefore be seen as "responsible" for them going forward, and any sign of turning traitor would be violently opposed by the other Sons of Ultramar, giving the greater Imperium further protection from potential renegades.

Loyalist Iron Warriors Legion is my Favorite Legion

Obviously they are ultra marines. Taught by Warmaster Dantioch’s compatriots if any survived Pharos.

My own homebrew chalter is a old grand batallion of the iron warriors just makes sense for some grand batalions that staid loyal to be ome their own chapters

There is another interesting piece of potential evidence supporting them being Iron Warrior loyalist, although it is a minor one. The Scythe's of the Emperor are also all but confirmed Iron loyalists masquerading as Ultramarine successors and their colour scheme is also black and yellow. Interestingly, their colours are the inverse of that of the Marines Malevolent.

Night Lords.(Seed)

Wait, The Inquisition is mad that Astartes are killing human civilians? Why, do they want credit for the idea?

Imagine a Crusade led by them and the Red Scorpions

This is the best and the most efficient chapter ever. Change my mind