He is though and he’s been on the top 100 PGR forever. Also still is currently ranked as a top samus maybe 2nd best as of right now for the current PGR. if that doesn’t count as the best Samus then who is? Nobody will be considered the best unless samus wins a major and a super major. What if Mang0 did this? would he be called out for calling him the best Falco?
that's not really relevant to his skill with marth though lol. he could have done the frame data stuff and been ass, or he could have been the best in the world without doing the frame data stuff. like, its cool, but not relevant to this discussion
@@patternsincereal8289 What if he actually enjoyed playing Melee? He didn't like playing it, probably didn't practice for himself but Ken, so he mostly didn't try, and when played he didn't even try hard and still got far. And yet, he showed that when wanted to play seriously he was nuts. Just imagining Isai liking the game, putting time into perfecting a character he liked, developing those techniques that people theorized he knew and used them way before they were given names by other people, and practicing day and night with Ken... imagine how HUGE these two would've been if Isai had the passion to play Melee as he had for SM64. I get goosebumps thinking of an alternate universe where Isai became Melee's GOAT, he'd still be playing it, I'm sure, though I'm not sure he'd be the best now, but very close to top10 no doubt.
I think about this all the time. I check in on PPMD’s channel whenever they post. I sincerely believe in their recovery. I have so much hope for a future where we get to see them shine again, care free and healthy-for our sake and for theirs. From what I’ve gathered PP is a sweetheart, a kind person, and an amazing player ♥️
Rensi I’m an abolitionist and that applies to gender. PPMD has a trans pride flag in the background of the stream and I know PP has had medical struggles with testosterone levels and other issues. I try to use the neutral pronoun they to describe PP bc I don’t know what their preferred pronouns are-I only know they’ve made a point of showing solidarity with the trans community so I thought I would respect the fact that I don’t know PP’s preferred pronouns. Also because moving away from gendered pronouns is a good practice to have in general.
I’m not sure if you’ve done a list like this, but I’d like to see where you rank Melee “Titles/slang based on players” Examples: Clutchbox, Johnny Stock, Losers side mango, ken combo.
Hugs, your smash content is fast approaching my favorite in the community! I love the way you explain stuff, as well as your general good vibes! Keep up the awesome work!
It's interesting watching this in 2023, since there's definitely a few others that while I'm not sure they take GOAT status for the character can at least be in the conversation now, notably SluG for Ice Climbers, Jmook for Shiek, and Aklo for Link
He certainly claims that, but realistically I can't imagine it's not Axe. His pika is so many leagues ahead of anyone else's and the characters are so similar
his results and longevity are lackluster compared to wobbles and chudat. Its like Sfat's fox, or Hax's falcon, huge peak and fan favorite but clearly lackluster result and longevity compared to the others.
Saying that plup has never got top 8 at a major with samus without his high seed is wrong since he did place 5th at paragon in early 2015 beating leffen to make it there.
I remember Mang0 saying once that Plup doesn't play samus the right way, he's too aggressive. I think that's why Duck has arguably better tournament results and wins than Plup even though we all know Plup is the better melee player. idk how Hugs picked himself anyway though lol
I have to agree... Axe is main reason YL has moved up in the tier list when for his entire existence he was considered a firm low tier. Even when Armada played him, it was just against Puff, and that's one match-up. Axe has beaten some pretty good high and top tier mains with his YL.
its p similar to this list but a most influential players of each character list would be really interesting (eg. bombsoldier for falco) think a reddit thread exists but would be cool to have a more concise list from you hugo
bro i'm pissed i can't believe you didn't put bizz in the ganon meantions he literally put out so many ganon guides and is the king of style when it comes to ganon... GRRRRRR
Fox: Leffen Marth: Mew2King Jigglypuff: Hbox or 2Chainz Falco: Mang0 Sheik: Plup Captain Falcon: Wizzrobe Pikachu: Axe or Pikachad Peach: Armada or Samsora Yoshi: Amsa or n3zModGod Ice Climbers: ChuDat Samus: HugS Dr. Mario: Shroomed (Hopefully Franz one day) Luigi: Abate Mario: Scorpion Master DK: Phish-It (Could also go to Bum, Green Ranger, Ringler, or Westballz with only down tilt) Ganondorf: Kage Young Link: Caveman Link: Germ Mewtwo: Taj G&W: Qerb Pichu: PPMD Ness: Either Simna ibn Sind or Mofo Roy: NEO Kirby: Triple R Zelda: The Lake Bowser: WarriorKnight
Hugo predicted 1 or 2 years, but 4 months after this video and I think we can already make the case for Zain being the Marth GOAT. Sure, it's netplay, but with Slippi, netplay results are almost 100% legit, and no Marth has EVER looked as dominant as he is right now. 2020 would be the Zain era had it not been for the virus.
Plup definitely deserves GOAT status for Samus.. Not even a question in my opinion. Other than that I agree with most on the list. Keep up the great content Hugo baby!!
Its definitely worth noting the following players evolved and expanded the meta of the following characters. Without these starting to players to explore them, their meta never would have been where it is today. King-Jigglypuff Azen-Pichu Cort-Peach PC Chris, Bomb Soldier, and Dashizwiz-Falco Isai, Dark Rain-Falcon
Definitely should have had N0ne in the Mario category, Ive never in my life seen anyone play that character so uniquely and dominantly because people have no experience playing a mario like that
Fly Amanita wasn't even considered for ICs GOAT??? I feel like he had a MASSIVE case with his consistent top 30-20 appearances when he played, his wins against top players, and his relative lack of wobbling . I agree Chu Dat is ultimately the GOAT, but man I would've at least TALKED about Amanita.
seriously surprised that Shiz didn't get nominated or even mentioned... Remember the era where M2K had Falco as #1 on the tier list and Shiz was a legitimate contender for best in the world? ShiaWia is the reason Mango plays Neutral Falco
All jokes aside, I think the goat of pichu has undoubtedly got to be Mew2King. Codeman and Axe are also both quite skilled with the character, but don't have the results or general character/game knowledge Mew2King had. Chaos is the kid who hacked his wii and went on insane runs at locals with a heavily buffed pichu. Obviously Chaos is not in the conversation.
The most impressive Kriby I've ever seen is the Swedish player Hack who used him as a counter pick against Ice at BEAST (Loser bracket quarter finals). He almost made the character look viable. The video is on youtube if you're curious, but it's nothing like being in the audience when the match went down.
as a falco main i love PPMD and i loved the way he CARRIED the mantle in mango's primarily fox years but GODDAMN if mango's falco has not been and is not currently HOT
Just my thoughts 20 minutes in the video: Marth- Ken, Zain, M2K, PPMD Fox- PC maybe on list but definitely not GOAT Puff- You joked about KillaOR but no mention of KING? Falco- Mango, PPMD, PC again but definitely not GOAT Sheik- Plup, M2K, KDJ same as PC definitely not GOAT Peach- Armada obviously, I don't think people even thought peach could win tournaments before him. Falcon- Not sure how SilentSpectre places on here, was he better than S2J in his time? I remember a lot of finals with him and mango. I think between Isai and Wizzy on this Samus- DAWes was top 2 in the world at one point, highest of any samus? I know the rivalry still lives lmao. I think Plup takes this though Pikachu- Axe no question IC- Chu Dat over Wobbles, but yeah only two worth mentioning Yoshi- Amsa Luigi- Not sure Dr. Mario- Shroomed YLink- Surprised you brought up caveman but for me it was between him, armada and axe Mario- Mango no question Link- Germ Ganon- No mention of Eddie (or Tipman lmao), I think between Kage and Eddie. (Joe Bushman was pretty decent too?) G&W- Don't know who Qerb is but no mention of Dire? DK- Bums upset on Isai still lives in my heart lmao Zelda- Narcissa Mew2- Taj, I know leffen is good too but don't know his results Roy- NEO agreed Pichu- lmao cheater guy Ness- Only two I know are Hbox and simna Bowser- DJ nintendo is probably best, but gimpyfish has a 1 hit combo named after him this should count Kirby- TripleR
link is kuya, mario is a rookie, YLink yungbambi, DK ringler, Zelda Rienne, pichu codeman, ness simna, captain pretzel kirby, i talk to most of these guys a good amount, these are probably the best active players of these characters
