The God Emperors Most Holy Inquisition! The Radical Xanthites! Fighting Chaos With Chaos! 40k Lore 

You're not wrong, though I suspect most Inquisitors who make it past their first couple investigations have something like that.

He would clearly be a Xanthite himself , I don't think any lore master worth his salt would deny the effectiveness of using Chaos against itself if they truly understand how the warp functions in 40k

@@georgecostanza7990 The Inquisition should really just dictate on this on a case by case basis and let the Xanthites police themselves. But you would have to have a watchdog organization to police the Xanthites. That is the problem. I see the Puritans' viewpoint on this. This is a slippery slope because Chaos always corrupts. Those who are familiar with Gregori Eisenhorn knows that he is a diehard Puritan of the Ordos Xenos who hates TO LOSE. It is his greatest strength -- his indomitable will to WIN. And read his novels to see where that indomitable will lead to in his later career. (By the way, he is my favorite 40K character, just inching out Caiaphas Cain by a short hair)

@KucklePuff _Dammit!_ You stole my idea!

Thus he is my favorite Inquisitor,

On the other hand, it is quite impressive. There aren't alot of people in the Imperium that can be surrounded by all this and still be unaffected. You really have to be a true believer to simply tell your daemon sword to "shut the fuck up".

The Armor of Contempt is definitely a great defense, but for offense you need something a bit more proactive, like the power of Chaos

@@bradymenting5120 Nope! For offense the Omnisiah gave us cyclonic torpedoes and hate.

"...are we the baddies?" - Inquisitorial adept Mitchell

Apparently Ukraine is trying them out

@@SilverStarHeggisist I thought it was Russia, shows how reliable information on the conflict is.

@@devilsadvocate1380 I know right. Apparently Ukraine started a campaign of shooting foreign fighters who desert on sight. It seems that they're having a serious issue of people who don't know what war actually is, going over to fight who the second they encounter actual combat, runaway. I assume Russia has had this policy from before day one lol.

@@devilsadvocate1380 I know right. Apparently Ukraine started a campaign of shooting foreign fighters who desert on sight. It seems that they're having a serious issue of people who don't know what war actually is, going over to fight who the second they encounter actual combat, runaway. I assume Russia has had this policy from before day one lol.

*Bold* font is the new CAPS lock. 😃 Edit: J/k with ya

Nice. Have a like

-=][=- That is fair enough for me.

Tell him its in the assembly area. After he got the key for it im sure he will find it there.

-=][=- Oh, really now. Not cool Guardsman, not cool. It's not so much that I'm mad, it's more so that I'm disappointed, disappointed that the Commissarate of this Battalion hasn't executed the dissenters and heretics from their ranks making me have to...This hurts me more than you guardsman because this is the Emperor's mercy. The Emperor protects. )Draws out an ornately embellished Inferno Pistol and then summarily executes the two bantering guardsmen.(

@@highinquisitorvanwiller8904 I got a bit carried away and Role play wrote a whole incident report (please feel free to ignore, but it made me happy) Incident Report 52785927 Fatal Shooting of Ordo's operative on REDACTED, Scarus Sector during pacification Counter Insurgance(Heretic) Operations Northern Continent Theatre of REDACTED Capital City REDACTED Dated: REDACTED028.M42 An individual in elaborate civilan garb approached gate 7 of the Primary Compound for pacification operations in the area (See attached intelligence files for current operational details) Guardsmen Serial 87214 and Serial 97261 [Administrutum Note: full 18 number serial has been abbreviated to the last 5 numbers for purposes of brevity as all involved Soldiers served in the same regiment, see full report appendix 8. For full details and regimental signifier] the figure attempted to engage the soldiers in conversation about tactical deployment of IG forces and the nature of item/items encountered or recovered during said operation, Guardsman 87214 issued a challenged demanding to know the individuals identity and authority to be both in the area of the base and for the information being demanded as per standard procedure (see reference manual 14a 835.M41reprint 'Security of Militarium facilities and bases during urban pacification operations) upon this demand the individual shook his head and produced a weapon from under his coat and began raising it at the Guardman. It was at this point Specialist 76321 who had been positioned to provide sniper overwatch for the gate positions 6, 7 and 8 engaged the individual discharging a single high intensity (hotshot) las-round which struck the individual in the chest (see attached autopsy for full details of injuries sustained), although in most circumstance such a wound would be instantly fatal the individual was staggered but remained standing and continued to raise his weapon, at this point Guardmen 87214 and 97261 fearing for their safety began retreating from the individual to the cover of a nearby fortified position (the sandbag reinforced checkpoint cabin see attached diagram 6 for details of the incident location) both began firing repeated shots on full auto from their Mk 4.Tigrius pattern Lasrifles at the individual striking several them times (again refer to attached autopsy for full details) as before in 99.9% of cases recorded by Imperial Combat Forces such a barrage of fire would prove instantly fatal to a non-augmented human/human like target,, however the individual not only remained standing but returned fire with a pistol type weapon of unknown design doing significant damage to the reinforced checkpoint. Given the nature of the foe faced on REDACTED an insurgency force giving worship to REDACTED a call was issued over the Vox by Guardsmen 87214 as follows, "SPECTRE, WE GOT A FRAKING SPECTRE GATE 7" Spectre being the locally employed slang among IG forces for catogry 3 possessed individuals known to be employed by the insurgents as terror weapons (see attached files appendix 12 through 26 for 'Spectre' attacks on IG forces in similar circumstances in the 6 weeks proceeding the incident) Both Guardsmen reported that the Individual was yelling something but they were unable to discern what was being said over the sound of their lasfire. At this point Specialist 76321 fired again striking the individual in the side of the head, again while not fatal this shot did drop the individual to his knees Specialist 81134 acting as spotter for Specialist 76321 also engaged on select fire with his lasrifle hitting the individual several times centre mass. The combined weight of fire at this point seems to of incapacitated the individual and they dropped the pistol and fell to their hands and knees. However the individual still appeared to be alive and moving and given the abilities of encountered 'Spectres' was still considered a threat by all present. It was at this point x3 Sentinels from the Perimeter Security detachments rapid reaction force arrived in response to the above 'SPECTRE' vox call and engaged, it is believed that the fatal shot was fired by Operator 63421's vehicle mounted Lascannon which vaporized the head and uppee shoulders of the target resulting in instant death. In hindsight it would be clear that the use of an exotic firearm is inconsistent with a 'Spectre' attack (use of bare hands, blades or improved melee weapons being the norm, with only one use of any type of firearm recorded which was Mk.36 Kantreel lasrifle ripped from the hands of a Guardsmen then inserted into REDACTED and then REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED REDACTED and REDACTED resulting in death) and the individual in this cases unusual survival characteristics being a result of augmentics, spealist armour of an unknown type and a type 16 refractor field rather than REDACTED derived supernatural abilities which Guard Forces in this region had previously been exposed to, though at the time as seen from the attached accounts that was far less clear. The result of this being that this was a blue on blue incident resulting from a misidentification of an individual as a Spectre which REDACTED derived characteristics rather than an enhanced Ordo's Agent with specialist equipment. No identification was found on the body, identity (which has been withheld from this report as per SOP with all Ordo involved incidents) as an Inquisiton Agent was established via DNA analysis post mortem and confirmed by the Office of Inquisitorial Liaison as of DATE REDACTED -Investigation carried out by the Astra Militarium Provost Marshal Divison, Field Investigation unit 18, over seen by Commissar Holt, all recorded details and interviews available in attached Data reels -Attached Note from General Snider, O/C Counter Insurgency Operations REDACTED Scarus Sector.- This is a regrettable incident and again highlights the need for all Inquisitors or accredited Ordo Operatives carrying out their duties in areas of Active Guard operations (though obviously not when currently investigating said units in such areas of operation) to not only make themselves known to Guard command but also to have fully familirised themselves with not only the standard operational and security procedures of the Asta Militarium but those of the local regiments involved and any theatre specific amendment to the SROE, I suggest all Ordo Operatives in Sector are again issued with a copy of 'Procedures for Unconvential/Special/Inquisitorial Forces when carrying out operations alongside Conventional Astra Militarium/Adeptus Astartes Forces Revison 167 Guilliman M42.004' as a starting point for avoiding such incidents in the future, such as an unidentifed Inquisitor raising a weapon in the middle of a post full of strung out trigger happy Guardsmen. Please note all noted troopers involved have been reprimanded (see attach file's 7-9, details of said being overseen and approved by Commissar Holt) and all exotic weapons/items and recovered affects will of been returned to The Central Inquisiton office on Thracian Primus with this data spool, you will note there is not Rosette included, none was recovered from the body and as it is inconceivable the Inquisitor did not have it on his person at the time Field Investigation Unit 18 concluded it was also vapourised by the Lascannon shot, Commissar Holt conducted a full search of all regimental personnel and equipment and facilities ensuring it hadn't been recovered by any Guardsmen or Officer present as you can see from all 16,000 attached search files no rosette or similar item was recovered (although a small mountain of contraband was which is being dealt with by the provost marshal's office) so I can assure you there is absolutely no danger of any Guardsmen posing as a Inquisitor as a result of this incident. General L. Snider Officer Commanding 8/98th Army Integrated Command

Classic reference.

Best start believing in being fire proof then.

*insert Catholic church here*

That moment made 0 sense to me. Effectiveness of holy relics against vampires basically dispel all Protestant tenets and proves Catholics to be correct. If they have just targeted vampires, majority of population would convert in a heart beat.

That’s how the Grey Knights are so effective.

for every heretic you kill afternthe first, it's net gains!

Well then you just gotta use heretical means to kill several heretics.

But if you kill 10,000 heretics, the number of heretics drops dramatically

@@ryanwillmon7689 I like your style.

kill more heretics to lower then

Chutes and ladders

+1 like for the game of thrones reference.

@@shawnm1902 more like Shoots and ladders

But, what do they do with all the screams of "take it, take it" and "harder daddy"?

I believe there are mentions of chaos fighting, between khorne and slannesh, in the ciaphas Cain books. I definitely think there could be paths to setting something like that up

But wouldn't they inadvertedly help Tzeentch get more powerful by basically playing his game?

@@Schnittertm1 true, but all plans and such give a small trickle of power, the real win comes from dedicated worship

@@Schnittertm1 alll war including war done by the imperium feed khorn, all excess including excessive worship of the emperor feeds slaanesh, all will to live against pain feeds nurgle, and all planning or scheming feeds tzeentch. there is no way to live without feeding the gods

Sounds like, The Octarius War…

Or, you called for help in dealing with the idiot Alpharius, only to have Alpharius show up, kill Alpharius, Leave, come back with a second Alpharius, then revealing to you that, *You* are in fact also Alpharius

However, hopefully, the surviving colony will have been sufficiently weakened by the whole ordeal. It's fighting fire with fire. A losing gamble but, considering the kind of enemies the Imperium has to deal with, possibly a well-calculated one.

@@lyravain6304 Good point. Also, one can hope that while those two parties keep themselfes busy long enough for you to regain your breath and maybe take care of some other things in the meantime.

Bigger magnifying glass go **Snap Crackle Pop**

I think you might be thinking of Phaeonites; they're a truly Heretical offshoot that hides amongst the Xanthites that have no loyalty to the Imperium and think they can use Chaos as a tool for their own power. They have a fetish for making abominations of flesh,machine and daemon.

The Horusians predate the Xanthites as their controversy involves the founders of the Inquisition and Xanthus might have been a Horusian but that was never confirmed. Overall, they can be considered similar since both want to use the Warp/Chaos, but the Horusians have a very specific goal in mind (use Chaos to revive the Emperor).

@@elysiankentarchy1531 also horusians are a group that branched off of the Thorians.. i think overall they are thorians that came to similar conclusions as of the Xanthites, rather than the two being more directly related

Toss some faith to your god emperor, o valley of plenty.

I think Gregor is aware he is burning his candle from both ends. The fact that he managed to "reach an understanding" with his daemonhost is interesting. Cherubael's personality is alot different. He seems to be having fun walking this journey with Eisenhorn, he seems to really enjoy fighting other daemonhosts just to prove he is better. I think Gregor is willingly taking the path of the Radical because he knows Ravenor is always behind to deal with him when the time comes.

But the Xanthites in general understand these risks and will lash out with tremendous fury and vitriol at any of their number that step over the line; especially the Heretical Phaeonite sect.

Maybe this practice should be accepted then and a separate police force will police the police force for making sure they haven't stepped beyond the line

Also being the most devoted comes with some upsides besides having a stick so far up ones ass is that well chaos has a hard time even dislodging this stick to gets it own stick up there

Well also don't most all weapons in 40k have rituals and stuff done when they're made, I thought I read somewhere that with bolters each SHELL is individually blessed. Also I think the most common weapon well, any, Imperial enemy is gonna come across would be a LOT of lazgun fire.

This comes back to "Armor of Contempt." You don't have to convince yourself against all sense & evidence that your standard bullet will affect the demon. If you know it's a walking blasphemy and hate it for being one, that can imbue your bullet with the potential.

The Administratum fills that role.

Unless it's done by someone else, then it's heretical.

Until it corrupts you, which is always a when, and not an if.

Until it suddenly goes pear shaped and you're left holding the bag by some nightmare horror from the dawn of civilization, see Magnus the Red.

All good sci-fi or fantasy stories do. It's why it's a bad when the fictional universe takes a sudden turn that goes completely against the prior history of the setting. Warhammer 40,000 is an excellent example of both.

@@launch4 it really was perfectly grounded and fantastical at the same time. Now from what I hear it’s just random shit to make the random plots go forward.

AMEN! Praise the Emperor!

Does that make it a good Friday?

I think something like gray knight get it done right Because…well… *there were designed to kill chaos and be immune to chaos*

I think the real question is, by destroying a chaos artifact (of middling or lesser quality, a major one is too dangerous to keep around) do you lessen the total amount of chaos or chaos artifacts in the galaxy? Or does the energy within simply return to the warp to be remade into new artifacts? If the latter, the seizure and destruction of minor artifacts is only a stop-gap goal to be done as required or at your leisure, rather than a focus. I would simply draw a _hard line_ between knowing how chaos works to use its own nature and rules against it (or manipulating chaos entities/ worshippers to work against their own interests), and using chaotic artifacts or rituals or granting any clemency. No doubt that most who would try to wield them would be corrupted; I find it telling that this line is not drawn, as it would encourage inquisitors to be tempted…

Your right. Eldar, necron, tau, tyranids, etc. None of them need to use chaos to beat chaos. But. They got a major advantage over the imperium. They understand chaos. The great irony of the imperium is that all the supression of chaos makes them vunerable too it.

@@gp-1542 no the grey knights dont use chaos , they use the warp two different things . Its extremely extremely rare for them to even entertain the idea of using chaos coz they know 99% of the time it ends up with corruption and taint .

@@malaficus The imperium understands chaos . Grey knights , inquisition, ecclesiarchy etc know about chaos . Also the tau think daemons are some xenos to be tamed , even farsight doesn't fully grasp the chaos concept but he knows they are not xenos . And everyone suppresses chaos pylons for necrons , shadow in warp for the nids , mental discipline and psychic suppression for eldar to avoid slaanesh, dim souls for tau and inquisition and grey knights for humans .

Well the orks did try to tame tyranids to fight against tyranids soooo.......

Nor their Exterminatus

Ah, what an UNEXPECTED comment. And by "unexpected", I mean COMPLETELY EXPECTED!

@@pirig-gal 🎵 Doofenshmirtz Chaos Undivided

It's worth a playthrough, I played as a Crusader but I think Psyker or Assassin are more fun for first time playthrough, I can't speak for the two classes they've added. I do just hate that always online bullcrap they have.

you just want some space elf booty admit that you are a heretic so I can empower my demon sword with your blood I mean so I can bring you to justice.

What you call genocide I call a days work. Primarch McCarthy

What you call genocide, we call a clean slate. -someone who has their head on straight

I dunno, I feel like the Inquisition generating publicity for getting the "Universe's most uptight group of genocidal maniacs" award would probably inspire a "Hold my beer" moment from the Black Templars at least. And that's just the obvious candidates, there'd be a lot of other Imperial factions keen to grab that coveted title too.

@@alcohol-freebeer3642 and then there’s Chaos

It's fine, he has squirrelled away a vast trove of Arch clones to replace any who have tragic hunting accidents where he bolters himself twice in the head and once in the back. It would make a certain AD mech magos very jealous in fact.

@@shawnm1902 😂

Faith is not something that can be measured, quantified, calculated, nor collected yet it can have a profound effect. Primarch Joan of Arch

The idea that "it just works" because everyone believes it works is starting to get on my nerve in the 40k universe. It reminds me of that image macro of the old dude in robes saying "it's magic I ain't gotta explain shit."

The reason why the orcs believe has such strong effects on the real world is that every single orc is a latent psycher. They can't activly use their psychic abilities (not even the weirdboys have actuall full control over them), but their innate psychic talent is strong enough to impose their beliefs to a much greater extent on reality than any other race. Well except of course for active psychers.

I would suggest to look into how Saints work in the 41st Millennium.... So yes. Belief influences the Warp. But usually it would have to take the amount of a mass psychosis for it to be able to affect reality and then only if the veil to the Immaterium is particularly thin. And if the horrors emerging from the Warp and the ensuing unspeakable slaughter and visible corruption do not shake their faith significantly. No inquisitor is immune to Chaos. They can resist the corruption and stave it off, but they are not immune. Any inquisitor believing themselves immune falls to Chaos far quicker, because they get blindsided. No amount of belief can shake the immaterial law that Chaos corrupts. You would have to convince every sentient creature to thoroughly believe that without doubt to change something to radical about the Warp. There's a reason Big E instead wanted to stop belief altogether instead of that approach. And yes, the whole thing feels very Orky, because in a way it is. The Old Ones designed the Orks to use that exact feature of the Warp perfectly. Far stronger than Humans ever could.

Yes and no, the effects are very limited, just because the Thousand Sons believed their tutilaries and familiars were harmless and helpful warp creatures did absolutely nothing to stop them from being betrayed and possessed by them during the Burning of Prospero and these weren't average people these were Astartes psykers of a power level even the strongest librarians could barely achieve so their ability to influence the warp was far stronger. The Aquila has some measure of power as the Emperor's symbol and whatever relationship allows him to dominate the other Chaos Gods, that's what gets missed a lot, belief has power as the Ultramarine Sergeant demonstrated on Calth, but it's not a concious power you can tap on a whim, you have to appeal to something fundamental and subconscious. Why does a sword work better at killing daemons than an artillery shell? Because how much belief and mythology do humans have of daemons and other monsters being slain by heroes wielding swords.

It could be a really cool story of a group of extremely Radical Inquisitors trying to create their own version of Daemons of the Emperor.

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It’s truly a travesty.

Chaos has become the second strongest in the Milky Way… for now. The Tyranids are gathering and rising and so are the Necrons. Dark times are coming for humanity.

They dont even know about that far in the past though so to them the warp has allways been a literal hell filled with deamons so no inquisiter would make that objection

@@informationyes That’s kinda the point. Nobody really knows how the Warp was back then, and so the Inquisitor’s mistake is to conclude that everything warp related is all tied to Chaos, and that there’s the most important part of the thought process. I heard the Psychers of the Space Wolves believe their power comes from nature and things like that, and so they have a much better resistance to dark influence, this is what I believe would be the more safer ways of using Chaos against itself, but requires very specific minds to have it work on the scale required to stand a chance. Like how the Imperial Cult has artifacts that have actual power, if every single individual person in the Imperium had the unshakable belief that psychic power is derived from the Emperor and him alone, not just a halfhearted one, it could be enough to at least severely weaken the other Chaos Gods and lessen their influence. But that’s just guesswork on my part.

@@omegawilliam95s36 that's what the Eldar did before they startet making slaanesh. If enough mental energy goes into a belief the stronger its form in the warp becomes. You would need a ridiculous amount of people tho to get that result with humans since their quality is much lower then Eldar in terms of belief. Also there has to be absolute belief like with the orks, no doubts allowed

Lol 😆

It's Commissar Svetlana... "STEP ON ME MOMMY!"

Here, lord inquisitor! I found eisenhorn!

So, all of them?