The Great FNAF Springsuit Debate - With Spook and Nine 

Springsuits are just like Coke cans, No matter how well they are used they always get crushed.

I just met your channel a couple hours ago and have been diggin up some stuff. Altough I don't think Scott actually intended FNAF to be the way your timeline is, I'm absolutely loving it. The way you focus on actually uncovering new information and conclusions from the old games (Unlike most of the theory community, who seems to be focused on putting all the pieces together with info alredy uncovered) gives me a sense of oldschool FNAF theory days. This makes the story a lot more interesting, because it feels Scott went over the fence between "misteryous but simple story" and "overcomplex timeline", but you actually make the older games feel much more complex than I THINK they actually are.

Thanks for having me onboard for this one! I had a blast with you guys in VC when we were just playing around with concepts at the end.

I looked back at fnaf PS and UCN and noticed a few things about the games. Susie (Chica) said she was the first to witness everything in UCN. She is the first MCI girl William meets (Fruity Maze). The first instinct William has for her is to bring her dog back to life and comfort her. This must've taken place when William Afton recently lost Eilzabeth, as Susie heavily resembles Eilzabeth in almost every way possible and William went outside to help herwithout hesitations, despite it being a place that could easily trigger his springlocks. Judging by what we learn from the Candy Cadet stories, this is probably the time William Afton decided to adopt five children (including Susie). Molten Freddy (The MCI victims) looks at Michael Afton (who looks like William Afton) in a much more child-like way. Motlen Freddy acts like you are their father. In comparison to UCN, Molten Freddy only laughs at you with purely malicious intentions. This completely breaks the entire idea that we are playing as William Afton in the UCN. And, this always provides more evidence that William Afton is not behind the MCI murders. "Thanks for letting me join the party. I'll try not to disappoint." -Molten Freddy, PS. William's motivations about killing Charlie and Sammy is to avenge all of the deaths Henry contributed to families with the SL and the Fazbear Enterprise. Trying to make him feel all of the pain he casted on them. To make him shut down the restaurant.

I find you two are excellent at talking past each other, but its also fascinating to see two people who ideologically appose each other in intepretation agree and disagree as civil beings. In my opinion you could have handled the sci-fi portion alot better by saying in shorted and much more assertive terms that; "yes FNaF 1 is a horror game. yes 'possesed' robots are haunting. but, the in game universe needs a scientifiic way to prove its own existence of being and that is what the Autobiography of a Yogi's section on doctor Bose is all about. it is about explaining itself. and it is chronically underrated as THE science fiction part of the FNaF series." yes Bose's theories are not space faring. but they *could be* Freddy in space makes Allusions to the fact freddy *could* be in space instead of chasing a boss battle against the one who created him metaphorically and literally. I think to really hit the nail in the coffin that the base Animatronics like Freddy, Chica and Bonnie are spring suits is the bit of info that got you into reading into the horocrux theory in the first place. that in night 1 phonecall of fnaf 2 that the animatronics possibly had the ability to walk around during the day long before the opening of the summer location and the sister location. I think thats interesting to use instead of assuming they already have spring suit extracting powers which you tried to rely on in this arguement and it clearly in my viewing had 0 effect on the debate. instead what could have been done is assume the originals weren't spring suits, but then argue, "why could they walk around during the day at freddies 2?" and if the response is the "technology is generally more advanced in FNaF than in the real world." thats okay, but then shoot back; "The springs suits are so impractcal even if it were possible to build them. why make Fredbear or Springbonnie if you have more advanced tech that obsoletes their useages? and even if the goal to be evil its no use just saying someone is "evil" even men in fiction like Anton Chigurr(from No Country for Old Men) who are schiopaths have their well defined codes and logic and reasonings for their actions, assuming someone is "Evil" is making an assumption upon character(yes even a company can have character and FE shows that it has a character of loving to be up to date in tech) that with the assumption that more up-to-date tech is avialable, why not switch to more advanced stuff like the Sister location stuff to do what they want to do(which we don't even know if we also assume they aren't designed for Bose's theory of living metal)? why not? whats the real reason?" or maybe none of this is usefull in a real debate and the better thing to do is to calm down and slowly present it all allowing your oppenent to oppose you on an ideological basis and not a purely factual basis. but otherwise I am generally happy with the way this was conducted, well reasoned and thought out statements and arguements on both sides, even if some are not fully reinforced by evidence at first. from the feild of Ideological warfare such as arguing with Communists online(God please never do that its such a waste of time) this debate is incredibly ineffective at changing the hearts and minds of those involved and is more of a discussion than a debate. if this style of "debate" was ever used in the politcal field it would probably be blasted by everyone. but I think in the context of it being about FNaF is what makes it much better as I have argued with people over voice about FNaF stuff and God they are indeed close minded while at the same time arguing they aren't by going "no no we aren't trust me totally" when I pointed out that the FNaF universe could take place in Niagra Falls New York because of the painting of it in the FNaF 4 house they countered by saying "or they just have it because Niagra falls is a cool fucking place." which ignores that the evidence could be a part of a greater web of evidence. which in this case isn't true but they still denied its standing because of their personal opinion on it and not allowing it to have any due process in a court of theorizing. another thing they argue is that; "the newer the game the more its details should be used and old games details thrown out, via community elemination." was basically the idea. the idea of throwing out information from the older games in favour of the newer games. dispite the retcon, they also thought it was about the first location but said it wasn't "Freddy's pizza place" but "Fredbears Pizza Place" or something like that. so theres evidence that my recomendation of debate doesn't usually work out very well. but I think its worth at least giving it a think about to see if it can be possibly incorperated to defeat certian arguments. because I know you don't have any premade defenses of your theories to certian arguemnts which I think you should. it would give your theories more consistant armour to people "BASHING IT" when infact they don't do anything to it becaue they didn't even watch it all the way through. if anything thanks for continuing with AFH I love it I've been watching for a long time, I even pointed out the fact that fritz smith wore the same freddy head as Jeremy further encouraging the idea that Fritz is an afton family member and is very close to Jeremy. and also I pointed out that the Puppet being "for elizabeth" instead of Charlie/Cassidy but was deployed by William as a last resort to save a family member. and I also proposed that the events of the intro and voice sequences with william and Elizabeth in SL come before the first fredbears but after the struggling restruant. its all super complex and its hard to convince someone of anything ever especially since fnaf has been around for So long and people are heavily entrenched in their views and we might just be the same way in some instances. I also had no clue you were on the spectrum which actually effects my perspection of you since I have ADHD which is often lumped unfairly with Autism sometimes. I hope that if anything Nuerodivergence gives us a different way of viewing the world improving our abilities to find loopholes or meticulusly review and punch our theories checking for holes in them. to close off I hope the Shadows episode of AFH comes out sometime soon! I love the Shadows. My new name after coming out Is Charlie and that was Influenced by FNaF and your theories because she's just cool in both the games and books according to your theories. I wish I had as much power as Shadow Freddy or the life Charlie had in the books. I don't know when It was but sometime during or after I started watching your channel that I used Shadow Freddy as my avatar for a while. maybe thinking about FNaF helped me come out or maybe it repressed it, I don't know because my perspection of Time from 2017-2021 is all warped and messed up because I hadn't been taking my medication and it took alot of energy to ask to be put back on it which I am glad I did because it helped me come out to my mom about my trans identity. Your channel has helped me through rough times when I thought there weren't reasonable and logical and smart theoriests or people out there, and exactly when I needed that firebrand of inspiration you were there. so thanks for being able to influence my life even though you'll never know who I am directly or may never meet me. trust me I am totally aware of internet celebrities and their fans being super attached and I think its super wierd and cringy, which I don't know If this is being wierd or cringy or being attached. Im just thanking you for existing and putting out quality content that is well thought out and counter to the popular theories on the internet. I've always liked the more nische creators and theories. I hope to see more from you. and again I can't wait for AFH Shadow episode. Have a fucking fantastic day and I'll see you whenever you upload more videos. I will watch them. cheers!

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"Later that night" could actually be Sammy Emily's backstory of being Henry's abused son.

Damn. I haven’t watched your content in ages. The last time I watched your videos was the Afton Family Horcruxes. I’m still a massive fan of your theories, they’re honestly more believable than MatPat’s, but that may just be me being biased as hell.

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Good content

I was there lol

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