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The Halo Series doesn't understand Master Chief 

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Let's talk about what the Halo series is getting wrong with Master Chief and how it's probably a lost cause. We'll talk all that and more on today's Halo video!
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@EckhartsLadder
@EckhartsLadder 4 месяца назад
I meant ELLIE and Joel. I don't think Abby and Joel's relationship was very good lmao
@HugoStiglitz88
@HugoStiglitz88 4 месяца назад
It was until she decided to murder him in revenge for her father being stupid and getting himself killed for no reason
@kaaluha9591
@kaaluha9591 4 месяца назад
had me hella confused when you said that LOL
@carterbridges3978
@carterbridges3978 4 месяца назад
Get ready. They’re gonna come for you bro
@kellen-KMK
@kellen-KMK 4 месяца назад
What other Spartan in Halo CE (Halo 1) are you talking about?
@jesseteixeira6284
@jesseteixeira6284 4 месяца назад
Oh Eck. They don't just not understand him. THEY DON'T CARE.
@SplendidFactor
@SplendidFactor 4 месяца назад
Master Chief is meant to embody the collective will of humanity which fights and resists the Covenant. He's also the legacy of the Spartans, a weapon meant to strike fear into the enemy. In a more meta sense, he embodies the player going through the campaigns.
@rexthewolf3149
@rexthewolf3149 4 месяца назад
Your perfectly right and works much better for a video game protagonist than it does for television protagonist. I don’t envy the position the tv creators are in because halo is a much harder series to adapt due to how its source material was written.
@MrBazBake
@MrBazBake 4 месяца назад
So they messed up by changing Master Chief from a cipher with no personality the audience can project themselves on to a person by skipping the three games where he's a stand-in for the player? There's a place for complex stoicism, but I think it needs to serve a purpose as commentary, not just a refuge for familiarity. 🫤 That said, I'm honestly tired of "special chosen one because magic blood" being shoved into stories. That's the main failure I see in his portrayal in this series.
@rexthewolf3149
@rexthewolf3149 4 месяца назад
@@MrBazBake There’s a fine balance that needs to be applied between stoic badass and layered multidimensional character. It doesn’t even need to be a commentary. Just give him some depth. They did not do that in season one.
@goji059
@goji059 4 месяца назад
No, he's Chief
@Intranetusa
@Intranetusa 4 месяца назад
Besides the Masterchief being a blank slate that the player/viewer projects themselves onto, I always imagined Master Chief as less human looking due to extensive genetic modifications and cybernetic implants (eg. looking more like the heavily modified cybernetic humans in Cyberpunk or Ghost in the Shell). So if the MasterChief did remove his helmet, I didn't want him to look like an ordinary dude. I was incredibly disappointed when they portrayed him as looking like an ordinary human.
@Cifer77
@Cifer77 4 месяца назад
Didn't these show writers admit they purposefully never played the games or read the books?
@maze4184
@maze4184 4 месяца назад
thats the biggest redflag for any kind of adaption and instantly told me the show is gonna be the piece of crap it turned out to be
@LoganL17
@LoganL17 4 месяца назад
Yeah
@tristankawatsuma8962
@tristankawatsuma8962 4 месяца назад
Actually according to the show’s Tv Tropes page, that quote was taken out of context. They did research on the series. I think the actual issue is that they wanted to tell a very different story. That or they watched way too many shows full of darkness and sadness. This is just my personal theory which is probably wrong since I haven’t even watched the show, but I honestly wonder if they just used Halo to draw in more viewers.
@Coconut-219
@Coconut-219 4 месяца назад
@@tristankawatsuma8962 No amount of 'context' can make saying something that asinine get a free pass. Also didn't execs even say they were interested in hiring people who were not familiar with the source material.
@tristankawatsuma8962
@tristankawatsuma8962 4 месяца назад
@@Coconut-219 What the creators said was that they didn’t want to be limited by Halo being a game. They also said that they consulted with 343 Industries about the show’s lore and mythology. That being said, I wonder if they took everything in with their own set of lenses on. Take the more sympathetic portrayal of the Insurrection and the dark side of the Spartan Program. Those things have kind of always been there, but the show really pushes them into the spotlight while retelling the first game’s story. Seems like a weird choice to me. I haven’t watched this show or the Expanse and yet it sounds like they’re trying to tell a dark story like that latter show while trying keeping the attention of Halo fans with the game story. It’s like two cars being chained together, but they’re driving in opposite directions. It’s probably not a good sign if the Tv Tropes page compares the show to the Kilo Five Trilogy. I mean, if there are going to be politics involved, why not focus on what life is like in a losing war that will wipe out humanity? If there’s going to be romance, why not let Chief fall in love with someone else in the UNSC? Makee sounds like a great character, but they are going to have to kill each other eventually. Honestly even though they did their research, I haven’t heard why the creators decided to make a Halo show. Did they ever say they were fans? And why did they create a new timeline to tell a different version of the first game’s story? At least Star Wars Canon was to me had the justification that the Legends timeline was full and they wanted to tell new STAR WARS stories. This just looks like the Halo brand is meant to draw fans in for a story you would see in another Sci-Fi show.
@NixonRules963
@NixonRules963 4 месяца назад
Honestly the novels "The Flood" and "Fall of Reach" could have been combined into a good television series. We see Master Chief on Halo cut with flashbacks to his upbringing on Reach and the loss of nearly his entire unit of Spartans at the doomed defense of Reach
@MrKn0w17A11
@MrKn0w17A11 4 месяца назад
Nah dude. Id much rather see a plot where we see MC take his helmet off in a firefight, and get down and dirty with a woman who was raised by the Covenant.
@roguespartan2854
@roguespartan2854 4 месяца назад
I seriously need to read The Flood again. I have the book right there, and my piss poor attention span just made me brute force all the way to the end without fully taking in the actual literature itself.
@kikikikia1235
@kikikikia1235 4 месяца назад
Jesus agreed
@tng514
@tng514 4 месяца назад
nah
@Neonflame
@Neonflame 4 месяца назад
fuuuck, i would love to see the fall of reach made into a 1-2 season series
@AmTrFilms
@AmTrFilms 4 месяца назад
I really hate seeing this moody Master Chief. The best part about the relationship with him and Cortana is even though he is human, and she is an AI, he is more of a machine than she is.
@fanboy3376
@fanboy3376 4 месяца назад
I say he’s more of a tool than a machine.
@rodrigobogado8756
@rodrigobogado8756 4 месяца назад
@@fanboy3376 machines are tools...
@fanboy3376
@fanboy3376 4 месяца назад
Not that kind of tool dude.@@rodrigobogado8756
@roman648
@roman648 4 месяца назад
Who’s using who as a tool? Chief or Cortana?
@Neion8
@Neion8 4 месяца назад
Yeah, their whole relationship is built around the dynamic of a human turned into a machine being bonded to a machine turned into a human. Make the MC more human from the start and you've torn out the central relationship around which the entire series is built.
@imagonnakikyou6820
@imagonnakikyou6820 4 месяца назад
They may not understand master chief, but they understand master cheeks
@jrny8922
@jrny8922 4 месяца назад
They love master cheeks 😂
@GunsAndAmmo3
@GunsAndAmmo3 4 месяца назад
I ❤️ master's cheeks
@TheMock5000
@TheMock5000 4 месяца назад
*mister cheeks
@diosbatman
@diosbatman 4 месяца назад
That’s even better
@tyshingleton7005
@tyshingleton7005 4 месяца назад
Jimmy Rings reporting for duty, sir!
@dressednplaid4875
@dressednplaid4875 4 месяца назад
Master Chief's character became very interesting. His thinking was almost at all times totally rational, he expressed gratitude towards Mendez after graduating the Spartan program for helping him achieve his purpose. During the human covenant war he comes to grips with the necessity of the existence of the spartan program. It's laid bare before him time and time again that Halsey's actions were a necessary evil. It wasn't that he had no personality, but he had a very up close and personal understanding of what was at stake in this war and he was very mission-driven. He looked out for marines, inwardly lamented at their losses, and kept moving forward. He and captain Keys both had this "If I just do this one more thing, I can help stave off human extinction. If I just save this one life, that's one more pair of hands fighting back against the enemy." Mentality. Every tiny, insignificant success might just add up and make a difference in some faraway battle in the future. I can't say it enough, he was grateful to have been chosen for the Spartan Program. Halsey told him and every single other Spartan II what the deal was their first day. They were loyal and committed because they knew, even before the Human Covenant war, that their existence could very well end up being what held the UNSC together.
@hellacoorinna9995
@hellacoorinna9995 4 месяца назад
Also Gravemind acknowledged John was the more sensible one.
@NerdInTheAtticProductions
@NerdInTheAtticProductions 4 месяца назад
I don't play or watch Halo, but when I think of Master Chief I think of his helmet, it IS his face.
@kellen-KMK
@kellen-KMK 4 месяца назад
I never thought of it like that but I agree.
@AC-kb1dc
@AC-kb1dc 4 месяца назад
it’s like batman. batman running around without a mask is weird
@DomR1997
@DomR1997 4 месяца назад
@@AC-kb1dc can't even recognize him half the time!
@wjrneo2
@wjrneo2 4 месяца назад
You never see Master Chief's face in Halo games. Spartans never remove their helmets in the presence of regular military. Only rarely do you get a partial glimpse of Chief's face, and usually only if you play on Legendary. But never a clear picture of his face at all.
@kellen-KMK
@kellen-KMK 4 месяца назад
@@wjrneo2 true in the games we have never gotten a full or clear view of MC’s face. But in the books Spartans do take their helmets off. But like you said it’s never really taken off around regular military, mostly ONI or high ranking officers or support personnel for their armor. In the field (on mission) they seldomly remove it, unless necessary or if they’re are sure no enemies are within range.
@minarchistmike
@minarchistmike 4 месяца назад
You use other characters for the major emotional hits. Meanwhile Master Chief should, for the most part, be the emotional rock that the other characters draw their courage from (which makes it all the more impactful when he starts to question the state of his own humanity). Forward Unto Dawn showcased this well when Chief shows up.
@thegrimwrangler
@thegrimwrangler 4 месяца назад
Exactly. Chief is a static character. He changes his surroundings. His surroundings don't change him. Essentially, Chief is like Goku
@wjrneo2
@wjrneo2 4 месяца назад
That was an excellent mini-series.
@monkmoto1887
@monkmoto1887 3 месяца назад
If the halo show was like forward unto dawn, I’d watch every episode. Following regular UNSC marines, ODST, and even insurrectionists and showing the immense struggle they face for survival. And at their lowest point, humanity’s shining beacon in the darkness, a point for all to rally around, master chief shows up and leads out the survivors in order to fight another day. You can show these characters again and the effects chief had on them like Laskey. This master cheeks bullcrap is just insulting
@browal14
@browal14 3 месяца назад
Remember the many times in the games when marines see you they excitedly exclaim "Its the Chief!" and moral seems to shoot up
@monkmoto1887
@monkmoto1887 3 месяца назад
@@browal14 exactly
@Cifer77
@Cifer77 4 месяца назад
Not just Mandalorian, I'd also include Deadpool, Dredd, dozens of horror characters.
@jackcoleman1784
@jackcoleman1784 4 месяца назад
Well you do at least get a chin with Dredd. But that chins like half the visual presentation of Dredd.
@jonny-b4954
@jonny-b4954 4 месяца назад
Darth Vader
@ThailandOutsider
@ThailandOutsider 4 месяца назад
The Stig, V for Vendetta. Hell, would you count R2D2?
@facelesscleric2744
@facelesscleric2744 4 месяца назад
Or the entire field of voice acting
@M-elephant7777
@M-elephant7777 4 месяца назад
@@ThailandOutsider I would 100% count R2-D2
@SerathDarklands
@SerathDarklands 4 месяца назад
This is what I've been saying. I don't think Chief - or any other SPARTAN for that matter - would remove their helmet in the field unless it was so badly damaged, it impaired vision, or if given a direct order from a superior officer. Sure, the helmet coming off COULD make sense if we see Chief in his Naval dress uniform, or in a rare moment of down time, but not in the cheap way that the first season of the show did it. Even with his helmet off in the aforementioned scenarios, there are ways of shooting that will keep his face out of view, to preserve that reveal for a single, emotional moment. Shoot the character from behind, put him next to shorter characters and keep them in frame so we can only see Chief from the neck down, hide him behind a glass wall that's glazed at his neck level, that sort of thing. I totally understand the actor wanting face time, but if you sacrifice a key aspect of the character in question, it's not worth it. Karl Urban did that brilliantly in Dredd, like the comic character he was playing, he never took his helmet off through the entire movie. Quality has to come over vanity.
@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu
@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu 4 месяца назад
Exactly - I don't have a problem with him taking it off in downtime situations, especially around people he considers his inner circle. Although the opening cutscene of the second game where Johnson wanted him in his dress uniform for the medal ceremony instead of the armor suggests he might have some social issues - undoubtedly due to his upbringing - with showing his face to crowds or people he doesn't consider trusted.
@SerathDarklands
@SerathDarklands 4 месяца назад
@@xcfjdyrkdtulkgfilhu Yeah. In _The Flood,_ Chief alludes to feeling 'naked' without the armor, so I absolutely can see him not wanting to wear the dress whites - hell, he didn't even wear them to the ceremony in the opening of Halo 2 - like you said, Johnson was expecting him to wear "something nice". I think the only people he'd really be comfortable removing his armor for are, of course, Doctor Halsey, other SPARTAN-IIs, and maybe his first CO, Mendez, who was one of the people Chief really looked up to.
@ZachSawyer2077
@ZachSawyer2077 4 месяца назад
Master Chief doesn’t remove his armour and doesn’t remove his helmet, never.
@reeceemms1643
@reeceemms1643 4 месяца назад
In one of the episodes for the season 2 of my Halo series. Silent Shadow show up and the only Spartan to have their helmet removed is Kelly because it got knocked off by an energy sword. Then with Chief all he gets is just a bit of his helmet gets broken only revealing his eye and a bit of his hair.
@mariobadia4553
@mariobadia4553 4 месяца назад
I mean Noble Team took their helmets off in the middle of a city that was getting glassed by the Covenant soul
@Zebstrom
@Zebstrom 4 месяца назад
Everyone who played Halo 1-3, went on the same journey as Master Chief. Even if he did not show it, we can emphasize because we went through the same pain and sacrifice. We understand the hardships he had to endure and why he needed to be the badass that he was, especially everyone who played the higher difficulties. He is the Master Chief, and he deserved every bit of respect from his allies and fear from his enemies.
@Trazyn_the_Infinite_40K
@Trazyn_the_Infinite_40K 3 месяца назад
Empathize, not emphasize. But you're right.
@spartanx9293
@spartanx9293 4 месяца назад
Yep Honestly, the Halo show doesn't feel like Halo. It feels like generic sci fi with a halo skin They completely change the spartan two program and the master chief's origin story
@saiyanmgtow
@saiyanmgtow 4 месяца назад
I just finished the show. With respect. I really liked the show. Yes it's a different universe/timeline. But it felt like Halo. Forgetting the Kwon stuff. But Soren felt like a Spartan. What about the show was not Halo like? Other than, more talking/emotion, more Kwon.
@gabor5079
@gabor5079 4 месяца назад
@@saiyanmgtowYou are aware right that for some reason most of the Halo fans dont like this show. There is a reason why almost everyone hates this master chief. But hey. Dont let others opinions ruin your fun. I say dont even bother exploring the situation. Just enjoy your show 😊
@Beldingbrettm_
@Beldingbrettm_ 4 месяца назад
@@saiyanmgtow you are part of the problem
@GSF404
@GSF404 3 месяца назад
That's because it isn't a Halo show, in an objective sense. This man that Pablo is acting as, isn't Sierra 117. He's just some imposter leading his diverse, box ticking Silver Team (which doesn't exist). Let's not get into how much the casting is wrong with Catherine, Jacob and Miranda. 😅
@firestarter000001
@firestarter000001 2 месяца назад
@@saiyanmgtow Central to Halo imho is the feeling of a mostly united humanity fighting a war of survival against the Covenant. There is none of that feeling here. The military seems mostly evil and stupid. Master Chef and Spartans dont feel like stoic super soldiers, but like emotional chlidren and instead of super soldeirs, seems dumb and unprofessional , even incomptent. There is none of the friendship and respect between Cortana and Master Chief . There is none of the military camraderie that we experience all the time in the games. There is some lazy "he is the chosen one" bullshit thrown in. I could go on and on. I really liked Forward onto Dawn. This is for me an abomination.
@jasonchecinski9741
@jasonchecinski9741 4 месяца назад
Look at the witcher. Its a meme that the actor gets paid to grunt, really good main characters are built up by the other characters around them. In forward onto dawn, cheif says almost nothing but you get to understand him quite well. Even the stig from top gear has quite a bit of personality even though he literally just wears a helmet and drives cars
@hellacoorinna9995
@hellacoorinna9995 4 месяца назад
Stig
@zubbworks
@zubbworks 4 месяца назад
Some say he escaped the fall of Reach by riding piggyback on a hunter. All we know is, he's called The Stig.
@valterfara5027
@valterfara5027 4 месяца назад
In the movie I don't think he even drives. Because he wasn't trained for it yet and was also underage. They used him good in Forward Unto Dawn, he can't be a main character in a movie or show unless is Fall of Reach. At best, he's a secondary character.
@robothunter
@robothunter 4 месяца назад
The Halo TV series in general reminds me of a quote from a workout channel, AtleanX "You're on the right track, but you're on the wrong train"
@XSRVX_01
@XSRVX_01 4 месяца назад
The ending of halo 4 was the PERFECT example of chiefs psyche. He just sees himself as a soldier. Nothing else
@stuperman117
@stuperman117 4 месяца назад
RvB does this very well as well. The whole 'expressionless faceless character' with more or less just headbobbing? And then eventually going into what would become the greatest seasons of RvB (I include the Chorus Trilogy, especially that ending freezeframe and speech from Church. That alone, gave more humanity to all of the characters, and this faulty and dying AI, who's going to be losing his life to protect his friends..)
@Seriona1
@Seriona1 4 месяца назад
The "Halo" show doesn't understand Halo I thought Resident Evil set the bar low for video game films/TV shows.
@jordanmason7127
@jordanmason7127 4 месяца назад
at least resident evil was watchable
@patrickfiller5197
@patrickfiller5197 4 месяца назад
Genuinely the comparisons to Mando are spot on. Whether it’s the subtle emotes, or even little audio cues or things like that it was clear when emotion was going on. Not being able to see a character’s face is not an excuse
@Berd-Wasted.
@Berd-Wasted. 4 месяца назад
So brave. - Said the audience member of space doge
@YeetThyBaby
@YeetThyBaby 4 месяца назад
Ah yes, the evolving relationship between Abbie and Joel
@vindix9137
@vindix9137 4 месяца назад
I thought the same thing😂 probably just a slip up.
@FroJSimpson
@FroJSimpson 3 месяца назад
Two people finding a bonding connection over a game of golf. 😂
@KazumaPrime
@KazumaPrime 4 месяца назад
It isn't they dont understand. It's that they don't WANT to understand because they do not care period.
@allyw7405
@allyw7405 3 месяца назад
Halo tv feels like an ill-thought-out therapy sessions..
@GrimTeacup
@GrimTeacup 4 месяца назад
You nailed it. Ultimately it's about Hollywood ego and not wanting to listen to fans or understand WHY Master Chief is so iconic and beloved to them. It's more than just a helmet. It's a symbol of hope and his ability to convey emotions through it and actions, and even fewer words is what makes the character and performance brilliant. They missed the mark so spectacularly, it's really a shame.
@AxyzGrid
@AxyzGrid 4 месяца назад
The Halo show is just a sub-par sci-fi using assets taken from the Halo universe. It's more akin to a crappy Machinima recorded in forge rather than an actual Halo show. (That being said they're immediately one-uped several times over by Red vs Blue.)
@Pine_Willow
@Pine_Willow 3 месяца назад
Imagine this scene opens on a lone Spartan fighting off a group of elites slowly zooms out revealing the pillar of autumn flying into the atmosphere halo theme starts playing
@tamkin007
@tamkin007 4 месяца назад
They should have used the Godzilla effect with master chief. Have him as a mythic type character who turns up at key moments kicking ass. Have it all seen through other characters
@ViperChief117
@ViperChief117 4 месяца назад
I rage quit the middle of episode six of the Halo TV series during season one and cancelled my subscription while I was at work. Lol
@DoomOfTheNoldor
@DoomOfTheNoldor 3 месяца назад
I would have fired you if I were your boss. Not because you were watching tv when you're supposed to be working, but because you kept watching until episode 6.
@ViperChief117
@ViperChief117 3 месяца назад
@@DoomOfTheNoldor I didn’t watch it while at work. I did before I went to work.
@SpottedHares
@SpottedHares 4 месяца назад
I know a lot of very bitter people have their ideas as top why Paramount Halo and Bungie Halo are so extremely different. But i have to ask if the writers actually wrote a Halo script or if they simply took pieces of the a script they already had for something they wanted and just try and copy paste it into Halo?
@asandax6
@asandax6 3 месяца назад
If the Halo TV show was handled by the same people that handled the Expanse it would have been awesome but instead it was handled by idiots who thought they could cram in ideas that are irrelevant to the Halo universe.
@year111
@year111 4 месяца назад
They already admitted that they ignored the source material, and have zero concern for canon.
@terrivel11
@terrivel11 4 месяца назад
Though a different medium, Alan Becker’s stick figures in his Animator Vs. Animation series is a great example of of just how much emotion you can convey with basically nothing to work with. Not only do they not have faces, but none of them speak either.
@exile9024
@exile9024 4 месяца назад
People should also recongize that a lot of these actors are also wannabe celebrities, and for their careers to amount to anything they essentially need to be a walking talking bilboard, by showing up at events, giving interviews, accepting awards and doing charity. They are very conscious of their public image so when they agree to do something they aren't always just doing it because they are truly passionate about the project but because they have a contractual agreement via their agency which helps negotiate things like screen time, appearances etc... all of which helps helps sell their public image so they can eventually move on to find bigger higher paying work in the future, the directors and the writers are usually no different as they are also competing for notoriety.
@thoselog
@thoselog 4 месяца назад
Dredd with Carl Urban showed only his mouth but effectively hides the identifiable portions of his face and he's still amazing in that movie.
@ImperativeGames
@ImperativeGames 4 месяца назад
Yes. I think the problem of the creators of the show is that *they* have very small minds and limited fantasy. And so they can't be creative about Master Chief... and make him a generic soldier guy.
@TheVeryLastHippy
@TheVeryLastHippy 4 месяца назад
Why why WHY didnt they go the route of an ODST team trying to survive when the world os going to hell? Or a bunch of unknown spartans going through training and then coming into contact with the covenant?! Why cant they read the books?!
@prompthorizon_12
@prompthorizon_12 4 месяца назад
Thats the thing , they "did" read the books. They Said From an interview while season 1 was still being worked on.
@hoos3014
@hoos3014 4 месяца назад
Because no one was going to give them $200m to tell the story of random space marines.
@NikobiEyre
@NikobiEyre 4 месяца назад
Great video! Tons of commentary on lore and valid arguments regarding the show's deviations from the source material. Very well done!
@MichaelCyrus88
@MichaelCyrus88 4 месяца назад
The commercial titled "Believe." The miniature battle area with the marines and covenant that end on chief in the hands of a brute. He literally just looks up at the camera. The piano and that one little movement conveyed a lot of emotion. I miss when they cared.
@thomasspangenberg5328
@thomasspangenberg5328 4 месяца назад
At at even higher level than just the helmet stuff, its ridiculous and unbelievably arrogant that the writers/producers of the Halo TV show thought that the right thing to do was to create their own mostly original story rather than adapt the story that had already had huge success among millions of people.
@laughingotter1125
@laughingotter1125 Месяц назад
Tens of millions.
@YodaOnABender
@YodaOnABender 4 месяца назад
1:05 yes, the relationship between Abby & Joel is truly heartwarming. Especially in the beginning of the second game
@MrKn0w17A11
@MrKn0w17A11 4 месяца назад
Pablo whatshisname might believe that removing his helmet in a combat situation is necessary to establish his chatacter as chief. He is an actor who wants to flaunt his face, i get it. He didnt learn from Hugo Weaving in V for Vendetta, og the much newer Mandalorian. But what escapes me in Pablos character work for Halo, is how he gets behind that Master Chief, a kid that was indoctrinated and drilled to be a supersoldier for the UNSC since the age of six, with massive body altering augumentations to boot, having fought a bloody war for the mere existence of his race for some 25 years, would at all find him self in the situation where he has sex with the enemy. He is dealt a bad script, and prolly some corporate medling «wannebe game of thrones» too, but still. Its bad. And its just wrong.
@gregthepeglegpregdreg
@gregthepeglegpregdreg 4 месяца назад
Noble 6 has some of the best moments to show emotion and make you feel without removing their helmet, cutscenes from Exodus alone carry so much weight and feeling, like at the start when 6 looks out over New Alexandria being ravaged, and then the camera focus in them holding on Jorge's tags, or at the very end during the pelican ride, 6 just sits there in silence looking over the smouldering ruins, just the amount of feeling in those two scenes alone is insane and thats without removing a helmet or even saying a thing.
@asandax6
@asandax6 3 месяца назад
343 Guilty Spark has a lot of emotions even though he is a robot that gives zero Fs about annihilating the entire galaxy as long as it starves the flood.
@Fulcrumn9
@Fulcrumn9 3 месяца назад
When hes holding kats body too
@kokobeans6956
@kokobeans6956 3 месяца назад
One of the the most heartbreaking scenes in Halo 4 is the end when Master Chief is trying to process the loss of Cortana and Lasky tries to comfort him but Chief has been so dehumanized and separated from his own emotions that he doesn't even know how to feel his own grief, let alone express it to another human being, and it causes him to question whether he really was human or if he was just a machine. The whole point of his character is that it's not clear what his actual face is: the helmet or what's inside.
@kokobeans6956
@kokobeans6956 3 месяца назад
Frankly that quote is Pablo Schreiber telling on himself. There are lots of examples of faceless characters demonstrating powerful emotion and saying that it's not possible is actually saying that you just don't have the skill to do it.
@My2CentsYall
@My2CentsYall 4 месяца назад
FYI most writers have NEVER PLAYED halo that is part of the problem, why because the do not have the time to delve into the character. Look at Brian Johnson director or star wars only saw a few movies and that was it he never read any of the books and you can see that in is movie.
@Nikephorus
@Nikephorus 4 месяца назад
I'm puzzled by these video game adaptation shows. They have universally acclaimed story content readily available that they essentially just need to copy and paste into the show, yet for some reason, they struggle to execute it effectively. There's this inclination to leave a personal imprint on the work or inject a narrative that's unrelated to the IP, and it never improves things; in fact, it consistently makes things worse. While watching the first season of Halo, I never once felt like I was watching Master Chief. It simply didn't capture his essence...not even close.
@Xtermenator217
@Xtermenator217 4 месяца назад
Abby and Joel💀 They definitely had a relationship
@user-nh5mq6kc9v
@user-nh5mq6kc9v 4 месяца назад
🏌‍♀️
@Ebalosus
@Ebalosus 4 месяца назад
Totally agree with you about the atmosphere of CE, since that's what really sticks with me even after all this time. The same applies to Bungie's earlier games like Marathon 2, for example.
@RagedmeeksGaming
@RagedmeeksGaming 4 месяца назад
This show didn't deserve a second season. I'm so disappointed by what was produced.
@makisonoda7925
@makisonoda7925 4 месяца назад
Nice video. I’m in agreement with everything you said in this video. I would also like to add that beyond Darth Vader never taking his helmet off when visually seen by others until his death in Episode VI , there was Also the OG Mandolorian in Boba Fett, who like Vader never had any visual screen presence whatsoever without his trademark T-shaped Helmet on, he even had his trusty helmet on when he got knocked in the Sarlaac Pitt in the beginning of Episode VI . Then there were also the Storm Troopers in Star Wars followed up later by the Iconic Clone Troopers in Episodes II and III . So there are way to make a character stand out from others without removing certain elements of their character traits in the process.
@jackcoleman1784
@jackcoleman1784 4 месяца назад
Boba Fett was originally not really a character. His character in the original trilogy is literally just bad guy bounty hunter that kidnaps Han. Granted what limited voice work was done was good voicework before Lucas ruined it as he does with basically everything he can manage to attempt ruination at. The character of Boba Fett didn't come alive to Star Wars fans until he was embellished in the EU which as a whole Lucas had little to do with other than a rubber stamp now and then. Also I would hardly call the stormtroopers much of a character in the context of the original films. The clone troopers doubly so and that's before I point out that you see a clone trooper without his helmet before you actually ever see a clone trooper in those films because you see the character they are all a clone of. I really don't want to talk more about the prequels if I can avoid it because they were absolute dumpster fires and Lucas still personally owes me the money that I spent to see them. Not saying you can't have a good character with a helmet on just pointing out that not all of your examples hold water in the context of their original presentation.
@Sphendrana
@Sphendrana 4 месяца назад
This. Hockywood is just using a bs excuse, and so is the actor who plays this dollar tree spartan. I'm not even gonna call it a Master Chief, because it's not him.
@makisonoda7925
@makisonoda7925 4 месяца назад
@@jackcoleman1784 Do you have to instantly disagree with what my personal opinions are? I am not claiming your personal viewpoint isn’t valid. However do you feel the absolute need to immediately dismiss my opinion because of some minor nuances that have no bearing whatsoever on what I posted in this comment thread? I was merely sharing my opinion. You have every right to not share my views on such topics. Though to straight away point out certain nuances that I never even mentioned, nor cared to share regarding Boba Fett, could be viewed as being intentionally harassing. Same logic could be applied to your the rest of your comment. And if I am being honest with you and not sarcastic, they did sound like harassing viewpoints. Yet I will personally make the higher moral decision and choose not to view any of your opinions as harassing. Regarding the prequel trilogy of George Lucas Star Wars era movie series. And your comment about how “Lucas owes me money for watching those movies “. Why you even think that a movie director ( George Lucas in this case) owes you ( a theater audience member and Star Wars fan ) who willingly paid to see the movies you claim as “dumpster fires” and not worth watching, is something that has nothing to do with this comment board. So why you think I needed to know your personal grievance and bad attitude towards the creator of one of the greatest media franchises in the last few decades, I don’t know. It would have been better left unsaid or rather “untyped “ in this case. I shared my thoughts about this video and what I think regarding certain Characters tropes that the Master Chief exhibits in “Halo Combat Evolved”, “Halo 2”, and “Halo 3”. I don’t consider the other three Halo games to have any relevance on the Halo franchise as a whole, so I freely chose not to comment about them. So you don’t agree with me, that’s fine. Your logic however didn’t have any relevance to my original comment in the post whatsoever. And you decided to share irrelevant personal beliefs regarding something that had no bearing or affiliation to the video this comment board is aligned with.
@makisonoda7925
@makisonoda7925 4 месяца назад
@@Sphendrana I completely agree with you.
@makisonoda7925
@makisonoda7925 4 месяца назад
@@jackcoleman1784 Why did it matter if I had examples that in your opinion “didn’t hold water “ . Freaking Darth Vader is referenced in the video in regards to understanding a character who shows no facial expressions or whose face is hidden from view behind a helmet or a mask. Hence my reference to Boba Fett, and the majority of the Clones in the George Lucas Era Star Wars films and animated shorts that premiered on Cartoon Network before the release of Revenge of the Sith. I was merely following the same line of thought and expression the Video itself was championing. Plus the at the end of the video we were asked to “share your thoughts in the comments section below. Do you agree or disagree with what I have expressed in the video.” You don’t need to try to justify why you made certain comments about my post that you did. It’s not a big deal to me. I’m not here to debate, defend, or attack your opinions or anything like that. Just make the darned thing actually make sense and be clearly understood by the person you just replied to on a comment board. That’s all I really care about and it would allow me to be able to respect your viewpoint much better even if I didn’t agree with it.
@Burkius
@Burkius 4 месяца назад
Red vs blue is a prime candidate for proof of concept when it comes to being able to produce 7 seasons without anyone ever seeing a characters face and being attached to them
@thealphaomega4888
@thealphaomega4888 4 месяца назад
Oh funny just like how Disney doesn’t understand STAR WARS!
@Coconut-219
@Coconut-219 4 месяца назад
While we are on the "World tour of not listening to the source material" lets throw Rings of Power and The Witcher: Blood Origin in aswell.
@SystemUnderSiege
@SystemUnderSiege 3 месяца назад
I always think of that scene from Game of Thrones with Master Chief. "You're a strange man.." "I'm the simplest man you'll ever meet". They're overthinking him.
@MikMoen
@MikMoen 4 месяца назад
The way I see it, the guy isn't playing The Master Chief. He's playing a Sci-Fi Space Rambo.
@FleetAdmirable
@FleetAdmirable 4 месяца назад
You know the writer doesnt get it when he says he needs to show master chiefs emotions in the first place.
@Sentrul
@Sentrul 4 месяца назад
Can the uncf (2202) destroy unsc home fleet?
@iforgotmyname1885
@iforgotmyname1885 3 месяца назад
4:22 "punch it" '"Aye aye sir" (starts blasting free bird)
@mistertwister2000
@mistertwister2000 4 месяца назад
Chief’s actor whinging about how the audience couldn’t connect with a helmet completely forgot that The Mandalorian was able to do it with a brand new unestablished character that didn’t have a face reveal until the very end of season 1. Chief IS the helmet, that’s the Chief we know and it’s through that obstacle that the games have had to be clever with their displays of his character. It’s his subtle movement and Steve Downes iconic voice that give Chief his personality, not some random dude pouting for the camera.
@hansolo6831
@hansolo6831 4 месяца назад
The relationship between Abby and Joel 💀💀💀💀
@alexandermich2871
@alexandermich2871 4 месяца назад
I actually really enjoyed the halo show. Was it a masterpiece in my eyes, no, but I enjoyed what they did with it
@latenightwizard6892
@latenightwizard6892 4 месяца назад
I was hoping to see Johnson talking to the Rookie's and Chief walking up like a badass. Like the bridge scene from halo 2.
@galactic1776
@galactic1776 4 месяца назад
It sucks because Halo Infinite actually did a good job evoking a more minimalist Master Chief while still giving him a bit of character for other people to play off of
@MaxwellAerialPhotography
@MaxwellAerialPhotography 4 месяца назад
For anyone curious, The Actman did what amounts to a thought experiment of adapting Halo CE (and by extension Halo The Flood) into a 10 episode tv season, and its infinitely better than the actual Halo tv show.
@Supyloco
@Supyloco 4 месяца назад
They're trying really hard to turn Halo into Star Wars, and not in a good way. Though Halo is lucky to not having to submit to the show.
@johngarden5353
@johngarden5353 4 месяца назад
They should commit to the idea. Take Zanhili culture of swordsmanship an honor and give a good tale of Profit enacted religious totalitarianism encroaching on traditional ways of life and they might make a good show/movie. I could also see plasma swords in Zanhili civil war conflicts.
@infinitespace2520
@infinitespace2520 4 месяца назад
​@@johngarden5353It's Sangheili btw
@johngarden5353
@johngarden5353 3 месяца назад
@@infinitespace2520 I glorify my kin
@aenemia82
@aenemia82 4 месяца назад
Halo’s story across all its games have always had an arc of Chief coming to grips with his humanity. He was emotionless at the beginning of halo CE. As humanity’s fight went on through the games (and peaking with the loss of Cortana) you see Chief become more and more in touch with his emotions and realize they are still necessary. Steve Downs did great conveying that emotion through the mask… be it with subtle delays in responses, or slight cracks in tone. Because of his stoic, robotic nature, it makes those scenes hit that much harder.
@daefaron
@daefaron 4 месяца назад
Forward Unto Dawn (the show) did spartan face reveals well. The entire battle the cadets (and before, when they find the recording) they are wondering if the Spartans are some sort of advanced robot/AI/drone thing, or a new suit of marine armor. They fight and survive, following the Chief and obeying him because it's clear he knows what he is doing. At the end, as the Pelican leaves the combat zone and the world burns, Fred and Kelly remove their helms, while Chief doesn't because he's watching for any incoming. The three surviving cadets are immediately flooded with questions as they notice the two Spartans look... young, unnaturally young for their size and skills. "How old are you?" "Classified" answers some questions and spawns more. The Spartans are maybe the same age as the cadets, maybe younger. If I was to do Chief face reveal in Season 1, I'd have the first several episodes be about marine/ODST/army squad vs insurrectionists, who team up to fight Covenant. They get saved by Spartans, and as the group travels to the condor, they wonder what the hell the Spartans are, as they never remove their helms during the mission. After escaping and returning to Reach, they see Chief pull off his helm along with the other Spartans to great an officer/Halsey and report in/hand off artifacts. This then plays off the build up of the other characters wondering what the Spartans are. And you can use those same human characters as supporting people for the Spartan team moving forward, deploying alongside them, etc.
@dandreray1602
@dandreray1602 2 месяца назад
Forward Unto Dawn was excellent and the face reveal was very realistic. Not forced like this TV show. That group on the Pelican had just battled through hell together and where the last surviors to leave Reach. Those newly Veteran Marines where born by fire and no longer cadets. They were looking kind of in shock of the gravity of what had all just happened. The face reveals had a 'remove all doubt in yourselves because YOU are ready, just like WE were ready' vibe too it. Only thing that movie was missing was another can of bio-foam.
@Eagledelta3
@Eagledelta3 4 месяца назад
I think the problem with many of these arguments is still that for something like Darth Vader or Mando - there are explicit story reason WHY they don't (or can't) take off their helmets. Master Chief is different in that the helmet staying on is NOT a storytelling mechanism, but a gameplay mechanism to provide immersion for the player making them feel like THEY are Master Chief. With MC you'd have to justify why (especially with the Reach story arc coming up) he can't/doesn't take his helmet off while other Spartans DO. The other issue here is that, until recently, Video Game stories were never really made in the same vein or depth as TV, Books, or Movies and every medium requires a different writing style. As good as The Last of Us is, it still made some significant deviations from the game. Then there are some games whose story is simply too long to adapt everything (not saying Halo is one of those). Finally, and this is key, as we've seen with Marvel and Star Wars and other existing IPs. You have to give the writers/directors/actors room to grow beyond what they are adapting otherwise you risk abandonment or half-assed productions as the experience of filming them was a nightmare due to the expectation that "X is Star Wars/Marvel/Halo/Alien/Star Trek/etc". Not only does it shut down creativity for the sake of pleasing fans, it also alienates anyone who may be interested that's NOT already a fan.
@javierdejesusbonilla4407
@javierdejesusbonilla4407 4 месяца назад
In the halo books it is stated that spartan II's spend so much time in their armor that in becomes like a second skin to them, they never remove their helmets. They have pale skin for that reason. When chief removes it, he gets uncomfortable when in front of other humans. There's story reasons why to keep on the helmet. On halo tv series it seems like a joke, I remember a scene where Schreiber puts on his helmet just to drive a warthog and when he gets down he immediately takes it off again
@jab01
@jab01 4 месяца назад
I haven’t play a single halo game and even I still didn’t like the show
@FrankLucas-pw5hs
@FrankLucas-pw5hs 2 месяца назад
Master Chief doesnt need to take off his helmet - because the surrounding characters provide plenty of context and emotion for him. The same goes for Darth Vadar. In the games, there are so many awesome characters, that explain everything about Chiefs background and emotions. The way he protects the marines. The way Sargeant Johnson explains that "the world needs heroes chief!", and that he is a reluctant icon. The way Cortana gives him abuse and their hilarious banter. The way the arbiter and other covenant speak to him and call him "the demon". They couldve just made the marines (and maybe 1 rookie Spartan) the main characters - with the main PoV being the rookie Spartan. Then whenever the Chief or any real Spartan is on screen, it would be x10 more engaging. The TV show has been totally inconsistent with the power level of Spartans.
@fettmanplays4170
@fettmanplays4170 4 месяца назад
Hell, not even just Mando. One of my favorite comic shows Doom Patrol has 2 main characters Robotman and Negative Man have their heads/faces covered up with a robot head or mummy like wrappings 90% of the time and they emoted so well with them on.
@Fluffy1877
@Fluffy1877 4 месяца назад
They understand the character. They also understand that the character would be a poor match for a show meant for mass consumption. They're making a TV show for an audience with several POV characters, including the Chief. If the Chief were to be this stoic hardly speaking character it would be a massive tonal shift when compared to all of the other characters we've been following. This isn't a game where the gamer can self insert into the role and feel the emotions they feel as dictated by the scene and author, this is a TV show where by and large we need to be TOLD what to feel. Would Chief work as originally intended in the TV show? Sure, yea, why not. Would it make for good TV? Not for the majority of the audience, especially those with little to no understanding of the character or a history with the games.
@DomR1997
@DomR1997 4 месяца назад
First of all, tonal shifts between POVs aren't bad. They can actually be useful for highlighting and contrasting the different situations and characters. Many shows and movies actually very successfully manage that. Secondly, you act as if the mischaracterization of the Chief is the only problem. Like they didn't either fundamentally misunderstand the Covenant, the Insurrection, and the UNSC, or choose to drastically change their portrayal to tell a story that is almost totally incompatible with the existing Halo universe. The mischaracterization of Halsey, or the massive changes to the Spartan Program, are further indicators. The show reeks of either completely misunderstanding the source material or having a weird level of disdain for it. Third, if the show has little intent of targeting the massive core audience of players (and I do mean massive, it's one of the biggest gaming franchises in history) then why use the main character as a primary POV? If their main target is a new, tv oriented audience, then why not do a BoB style show following ODST or a squad of marines and leave out the Chief entirely? Fourth, the chief barely talks in the game because most of the game is GAMEPLAY. He speaks frequently during cutscenes and is actually quite witty. This is drastically expanded on in the books, too. There's a lot of personality to work with, but they didn't read the books or play the games, so they don't know that and can't build on it as a result.
@asandax6
@asandax6 3 месяца назад
Anime would like disagree with you. Even cookie cutter shows with stupidly dense main characters get a lot of viewers. People don't need to self insert into a character to enjoy it. When people watch a show or read a movie they aren't imagining themselves as that character they are merely following that characters journey. This is why when something that deviates from that journey people get pissed. It's like watching a movie about a guy working hard to achieve his dreams to become a rock star and next thing you know he is now violin player in an orchestra without any explanation.
@isacc8324
@isacc8324 4 месяца назад
Remember, lore can change it’s not a static thing master chief now has a face you’re just gonna have to deal with that I guess -people who don’t understand internal consistency
@alexshank1414
@alexshank1414 4 месяца назад
Master Chief’s tone of voice, mannerisms, and body language conveyed his emotions with the helmet on. Not saying facial reactions aren’t a major contribution, but it’s not absolutely necessary. Batman wore a mask.
@justinwinterhoff9333
@justinwinterhoff9333 4 месяца назад
I don't think that its a matter of weather the original VG story is Good or Bad, its that its not the series Directors story. These are people whose entire careers are based on the ability to tell an original story, not retell someone else's. I believe that our only hope is that they create a story that maintains the Idea of the characters without pandering to studio or public opinion. In the case of Halo I believe they failed pathetically.
@user-yq9im9dk9z
@user-yq9im9dk9z 4 месяца назад
I'm sorry but adaptations are literally about retelling someone else's story... If you want to do an original story you can just do that instead. Clearly a lot of Hollywood is bored with popular nerd properties and wants to do something else
@stoweby
@stoweby 3 месяца назад
All it took for me to know I wouldn't watch it was finding out they took the helmet off at the very begining of the show. Doing that made it clear they had zero plans to try and be true to the source material.
@BobTheTesaurus
@BobTheTesaurus 2 месяца назад
frankly, the shows version of Chief would never even survive the first ring, because the fool would take his helmet of to 'emote' how horrified the flood is, and immediately get infected and die
@PearceArmoury
@PearceArmoury 3 месяца назад
I think you hit this right on the head, Bungie was telling us a grand opera about the UNSC, the Cov, and the flood and fore runners. In the bungie games you just happened to be the master chief but the story wasn’t about you. 343 made the halo series about Spartans and that cast away a lot of the UNSC, when was the last time you saw an ODST? I don’t want a story about me. I want a story about a world and bungie did so well with that that 343 struggles to even understand what makes halo halo. The show I think dives even further away from what makes Halo Halo. I think what we have been fed is someone’s bad writing that couldn’t stand on its own as an original work so they adapted it to halo to make it sell. This has hurt the halo community. This is reflected by Neil blomkempf work with the Halo 3 commercials. Rearm, Prepare to drop, Remember, these where all great commercials with sense of depth and scale to them. Yea they revolve around the chief (except we are odst) but it’s the marines doing the talking. These things all told a great story about a grand universe, we lost a lot of that with 343 and paramount and the company who did halo wars 2 (mostly just hate the UI but the story could use some work)
@gregviews
@gregviews 4 месяца назад
If I was the lead writer for the series since season 2 take place on reach why not have master cheif partner up with noble team to save reach in this timeline instead of having reach fall since it's a " different timeline"
@richardhowells5804
@richardhowells5804 3 месяца назад
I forgot how much I love the outro with doggo head pats 😂❤
@SampoPaalanen
@SampoPaalanen 4 месяца назад
What makes it really more sad is that they already had perfect depiction of the Master Chief in Live Action with the Forward Unto Dawn series, sure he's not the main character there but it does show that Master Chief works in Live Action.
@R3_Live
@R3_Live 4 месяца назад
I dont understand the logic of seeing an IP that's extremely popular and deciding to make a TV show out of it. But, rather than lean into the aspects that make the IP popular, they change it all from the ground up. ...and then they wonder why it flops? That's like telling someone that you're gonna make them their favorite meal but then you proceed to change all the ingredients in the recipe and then wonder why they don't like it.
@kongilian
@kongilian 4 месяца назад
They should have started it off like Dredd. In his movie, Dredd is the archetype, and Anderson is the character. Up until one of the last scenes Dredd remains unchanged (and shouldn't have changed for that scene imo) while Anderson struggles to emulate him. Her arc finishes when she fails her test and simply resorts to surviving, in the process becoming a Judge in her own right instead of following Dredd. Dredd only breaks archetypes when he says she passed (should've failed her only to be overruled). For Halo, you get Chief as the archetypal soldier with Cortana as the character. He's sticking with what he knows (unchanging war) while she's learning everything she can. Throw in other minor characters around them with small arcs and you've got a first season. Also, follow the first game. Plenty to flesh out there. Chief can go through a character arc in season 2. Or even 3.
@TheEmperorsChampion964
@TheEmperorsChampion964 4 месяца назад
The mandalorian season 1 disproves that point about needing to see an actor's face
@billycurrythe2nd
@billycurrythe2nd 4 месяца назад
The mask issue is similar in wrestling. In WCW Eric Bischoff made the controversial decision of unmasking Rey Mysterio Jr, saying since then that you need to see the wrestlers face for hum to "sell" the story, sell the match etc. But Mysterio has gone on to have an amazing career in WWE with some great and emotional stories while wearing a mask. It is slightly different to master chief because with Rey you could see his eyes and mouth but it's still an interesting comparison
@madness0169
@madness0169 4 месяца назад
3:33 I honestly loved the entirety of not only the campaign of *Halo 4,* but also I enjoyed the campaign of *Halo 5: Guardians* as well. They gave us a fresh new look on the game franchise. I loved the new weaponry, armor abilities and other notable changes in both games. Players need to understand that video games will change whether they like it or not.
@johnp1366
@johnp1366 2 месяца назад
The series is clearly an alternate reality. Especially with the latest episode. Keyes dies, which implies no Pillar Of Autum. That alone is a clearly alternate reality
@sirspaceman6440
@sirspaceman6440 4 месяца назад
I think you nailed it. One of the things I loved about Halo was that even the story really did embody military Sci Fi. Because of that I always felt the weight and importance of every character and not just the Chief himself. The story felt structured in a way where even though he was the Hero, the Chief (you, the player) were just a Soldier, just another piece on the chess board. Albeit a pretty important piece haha. It's like watching a military movie. Even though you may be following the journey of one soldier, in the end you care about every significant character. Ironically the only story 343 has put out to embody that feeling for me again had been Halo Wars 2.
@incoherentrambling3139
@incoherentrambling3139 4 месяца назад
One of the reasons I didn’t like the Halo show was that it felt like they wrote a different sci fy show but then realized they would have a more marketable product if they made it more halo-y, they get some of the broad strokes, master chief and Cortana, the art style, doctor Halsey. But they miss out on “obvious” halo lore and characters, like master chief being on a team of 4 Spartans, for some reason they changed those Spartans away from who we already knew. Or the exclusion of sergeant Johnson. Or having a human be a very central part of the covenant, there is minor conflict within the covenant in the lore where some elites are like “hey we’ve fought humans and they’re worthy combatants, we let the jackals and brutes join so why not the humans?” And the prophets had to essentially come up with a reason to justify the extinction of the humans that was more than the actual reason of humans are living proof our religion is wrong. I think they felt audiences wouldn’t be able to relate to a weird 4 jawed alien having a crisis of faith despite the fact that millions of peoples favorite character in halo is a weird 4 jawed alien who had a crisis of faith. I think the success of the mandalorian made the people making the show worried that audiences would just see master chief as a rip off of the mandalorian as a gruff tough guy in cool armor who has trouble being emotional available, despite the fact the strong silent type trope is a trope for a good reason. At the end of the day I understand that I’m not a writer and I’m not in charge of things but if in order for your story to work you have to change the backgrounds and character traits of many iconic characters then why not just make them new characters? It would be like if we heard they were doing an animated remake of the original trilogy and they made Luke skywalker the roguish prince of Endor who doesn’t care about people and plays by his own rules hunted by the evil republic headed by president Vader. Like the bones are there technically but it’s in a weird order and doesn’t work with the established lore and gets rid of important characters and has everyone acting different for some reason. On its own it’s a story worth telling but it wouldn’t make any sense as a New Hope remake. I don’t want a adaptation because I want to see the characters and plots I know act and be developed completely differently than how things actually go, I wouldn’t have wanted a the last of us adaptation to make Joel the head firefly doctor whose biological son Eli ran away and now they have to find him if they want to develop the cure. Adaptations have the opportunity to tell a concise story and even build on points that game/novel/comic/play couldn’t or didn’t. Adaptations don’t have to be 100% accurate I don’t want a one to one retelling, look at the walking dead, one of the most loved (and disliked) shows out there, it’s an adaptation of the comics but they take good steps to make the story feel fresh and innovative (Daryl Shane and Negan) but also do things that weren’t in the comics that cause the story to suffer as a result (killing Carl and Andrea) if the walking dead show had started Negan being a part of the Atlanta group and eliminating the character of Michone it wouldn’t make much sense as an adaptation. Adaptations are meant to build off the base story, not tell a different story.
@awesomeguy9513
@awesomeguy9513 4 месяца назад
If I recall I think bungie noted Master chief and this can apply to Noble 6 always kept their helmets on so the player could imagine themselves as Chief or 6 due to their masked body. Also halo games halo reach, 2/3, and 4 have emotional parts with Spartans helmet on you could feel the deaths in reach or cortana leaving chief, kinda makes me think the actor hasn’t played the games or hasn’t played the game in a long time
@awesomeguy9513
@awesomeguy9513 4 месяца назад
Also also more emotional scenes with helmets on, a lot of the clone wars had emotional scenes with the clones. Like 5/echo calling to 99, throns last stand, heavy’s sacrifice, Rex’s shock when finding echo, and probably a bunch more
@Alpha1200
@Alpha1200 3 месяца назад
I think you're right in most of what you said, though I actually don't think the inherent problem with the show is that it attempts to focus more on Master Chief as a character. The Eric Nylund books managed to capture "Halo" pretty well in a different format, imo. And they did it while simultaneously expanding on who Chief is as a character. So it can be done. But in order to do it you have to first understand WHO Chief is. And it's not some raging, roided up, rebellious, emotional, teenager in an adult body and power armour. The Master Chief is a soldier doing his part despite the trauma and the loss. He's a kid indoctrinated and having his childhood and his parents taken away, but turned to a greater purpose. He is a symbol of hope and an unflappable fight against impossible odds. Chief is about self-sacrifice. If the Chief from the books and the games had found out that Halsey had been lying to him (which obviously she doesn't in the books), you know what he would've done? He would've said that it doesn't matter. Because he's there to protect humanity from the Covenant and that duty goes above everything else. Because THAT is who Chief is. He is a man burdened with being more than a man. Halsey, btw, is another example of the writers not understanding the source material. Halsey isn't some weird, insane person. She was a very intelligent woman who pragmatically looked at the state of humanity and decided that the Spartans were necessary. She took no joy whatsoever in what was done to the Spartans. She never thought it was "the next step in human evolution" or some other crazy stuff. She thought it was a necessary evil. And that's what the SPARTAN program was. A (supposedly) necessary evil that was absolutely awful but ended up saving humanity nonetheless. That duality between how horrible it is but how much it paid off is key to the program. It is key to the story. It is key to Halsey as a character. And it is key to CHIEF as a character. Because it affects how Chief is perceived and perceives himself. Yes, he was kidnapped and his parents put through hell. Yes, he was indoctrinated and put through procedures that could've killed him. Yes, he was made less "human" by what the UNSC did to him in a way. Chief is a traumatized man. But he is also that symbol of hope and the ultimate saviour of humanity BECAUSE of this. It's that dichotomy at the heart of the character that they needed to capture in order to make Chief work as a character. But they completely failed by having him rebel against Halsey and the UNSC (kind of), become this impertinent rage monster, constantly self-centred and banging a covenant POW. And then you can, AFTER that has been established, try to go back and see if Chief can heal from his trauma and become more human again as "Halo 4" attempted to do AFTER the main trilogy. But as you say, you need that other context first. The writers for the Halo TV series do not understand what Chief is meant to be at all.
@hypogogix9125
@hypogogix9125 2 месяца назад
It was a fucking tradgedy that Paramount Plus got Halo.
@johnpk5831
@johnpk5831 4 месяца назад
The series doesn't understand Halo at all.
@antsonseadoos1287
@antsonseadoos1287 4 месяца назад
Just wanted to say the fact that you upload every day is very impressive dont overwork yourself tho
@mjdoombreed
@mjdoombreed 4 месяца назад
We had Jimmy Rings, and he evolved into Jimmy Balls Out. Let's hope they give us the John-117 we have experienced the world of Halo through.
@theliato3809
@theliato3809 4 месяца назад
The obvious way to avoid this issue is to make another character for Pablo to play who can be a duteregeast to master chief
@MTJDisorder
@MTJDisorder 4 месяца назад
I think Pablo is wrong but I also think this take isn’t necessarily correct either. Mando keeps his helmet on because it is his creed, Vader, because he will die without it. In the Halo universe there isn’t actually ever any written explanation for why he is always seen with his helmet on. Heck in Halo 2 his first scene he doesn’t have it on. The only reason he doesn’t have a face is because as a video game character he was never given one simple as that. If this logic were to apply to the show and they did chose to limit Pablos face time then it would have been necessary to make up a reason for it. So yes, a character doesn’t have to have their face on screen to connect with them, but also, the chief doesn’t have to have his helmet on just because he did in the 10+ hours of screen time he has in the games.
@Shamoose010
@Shamoose010 2 месяца назад
I don't mind a few differences and adaptation. For example, chief being out the suit so much, it would be good character development if..spoiler alert... After Cheif and his team got abandoned on Reach without their suits, and he lost one of his team in that fight, once he gets the suits back, he decides to stop taking it off. The cortana and him not getting on also could be good character development if, with time they slowly get to how they were in the games. I have enjoyed seeing Chief out of the armour and seeing him take on other humans, and even elites without his armour was a really good display, of just how amazing the Spartans are, and it's not their suits that makes them special. Obviously in games, we aren't going to run around out of our suits fighting covenant or beating up humans, so it's actually good to see this side of things. But yeah they've flopped a few things, the qwan story just feels out of place and pointless right now.
@EPluribusUnum-xl1mt
@EPluribusUnum-xl1mt Месяц назад
Lol “Tear running down his cheek” hits different when you write it 😂
@IRJOE5
@IRJOE5 4 месяца назад
I think they should have filmed this most from the eyes of Master Chief, like how the movie Hardcore Henry was filmed
@coreyleader6206
@coreyleader6206 4 месяца назад
Blue team not being involved was a clear red flag from the start. Season 1 was another huge red flag. Chief is a capable man who doesn't have time to stop for feelings in a combat situation. Doesn't mean stories can't be told about him or the games and books wouldn't have done well.
@TheVeryLastHippy
@TheVeryLastHippy 4 месяца назад
6:19 So well said, its so driven by feeling of mixing the alien, ancient and familiar. I will never forgot my 10 year old mind realising I could drive the vehicles around this strange new world. Halo Infinite gave that back a little bit. I hope one day a film franchise can do the same.
@hoosierhell7456
@hoosierhell7456 4 месяца назад
Why oh why couldn’t we have gotten Niall Blomkamp’s Halo movie…
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