The HARDEST Game Bosses 

Can't tell you how funny it was that Coney had that long fight with his chat about JRPGs and difficult final bosses, and the firestarter for all that was Necron from FF9, maybe the easiest final bosses in Final Fantasy games, at least at that point in the franchise

coney would HATE puzzles games, he'd just look up the solution

You’re right Coney, bosses are easy when you cheat 👍

I regret to inform you that Coney was NOT spitting and was in fact onto nothing.

I feel like Coney challenged himself to have the worst takes he could fit into one stream and you know what? Good for him. That's MY streamer. He NEVER spits.

I think the thing that makes RPG bosses hard is they make you make hard decisions. Like at base all you need to do is attack, heal, and block. But if you choose to do any of them at the wrong time you would prolly die making it hard.

The confidence is Coney’s jrpg statement is nuts to me. Physical challenges aren’t the only barrier to difficulty 😅

I know it’ll never happen but after the JRPG discussion I want to see coney do a hardcore nuzlocke of emerald kaizo

The Demifiend fight in Digital Devil Saga is probably the single hardest boss fight ever designed, and it's a JRPG. You need to have your characters maxed out to even stand a chance of winning, and even then you have to follow specific strategies during the fight and you can still easily get screwed, plus it has anticheese measures where if you try and negate too much damage you'll basically be instakilled. It's honestly ridiculous and I can't think of any other boss that comes close to being that frustrating and difficult.

Going to court and seeing Watchmojo guy as the judge would be my 9/11

the more coney doubles down when chat starts going "??????????" the more i'm inclined to believe he's objectively wrong like if rng doesn't count as real difficulty then any fromsoft boss that doesn't do the exact same attack pattern every time isn't difficult

6:06 Fun facts about this guy - The reason he's so hard boils down to Imafune, basically saying "fuck it, let's make him hard as hell" - A legit strat to fighting him is jumping into the small yellow orbs since they hurt the least

If a JRPG is done well, the emergent strategies should be based on how the way you've set up your team and how they're able to deal with the obstacle put in front of you. A good game will account for differences in play style and make difficult bosses a non-trivial task. You can always look up how to set up your team and create a working strategy but you can say that about pretty much any boss in any game.

The argument that in a turn based RPG boss is easy because it’s not in real time kind of speaks that coney finds reacting to literally anything more difficult than something that gives you that time to think what you need to do because it’s difficult. Man needs to see emerald Kaizo and then he can tell me turn based is easy. I can’t beat Fatalis in stories consistently but you give me fatalis in world once I figured out the fight it’s another day in the office. But that might just be me it’s all opinions at the end of the day.

Coney: JRPG Bosses ain't hard, all you got to do is look up a guide as there is no reaction requirements. Me: *Having flashbacks to Dreamy Bowser from Mario & Luigi: Dream Team*

"Why are JRPG bosses hard? its just turnbased" "Yeah I play from software games, n-no thats different ignore my level"

Coney be like 'its easy if you just cheat'

I like that Coney just doesn't consider some people wouldn't want to cheat and look the solution up

If JRPG final bosses aren't hard because you can just grind until level cap and then beat them that way, Malenia isn't hard because you can just cheese build infini-laser her to death. Same logic.

Coney back in his dumb take era

"Why don't you just look it up" because that's stupid!

I came here for mind numbingly terrible takes on difficulty, and thank you coney for providing

Coney should play some SMT bosses and see if that changes his mind on difficulty lol

“Spyrone” was a good one😂😂

Coney: I feel like JRPG bosses can't be hard. *Me having traumatic Flashbacks to Shiva in SMT5*

So, who wants to tell Coney about Galdera from the Octopath games? Now THAT is a hard boss.

I’m starting to get to the point where I can tell which videos are WatchMojo one’s just by the Coney’s clickbait title and thumbnail. I’m starting to scare myself with how accurate it’s getting

Love Coney coping with Malenia. Can literally beat her with any build and any play style, simply just play better. His argument about looking up a guide is so stupid when his biggest complaint is Waterfowl Dance; literally just look up how to dodge it lmao. It is extremely consistent

"rpg bad" mfs are the most insufferable people in gaming

JRPG boss difficulty comes mainly from two things, and they're _the_ _same_ things that make Soulsborne bosses difficult: 1. Boss Knowledge 2. Preparation They're not hard if you come in with plenty of knowledge on the boss's moves, patterns, weaknesses, and come in prepared to exploit those weaknesses. If you go in blind without leveling or investing in good weapons, it's a coin toss. What I just said is true of JRPG Bosses and Soulsborne Bosses :0)

Hope they talk about pinwheel

The final boss that has given me the most difficulty was Xenoblade 2’s final boss. Part of this was due to inexperience on my first play through but mostly it is due to the boss having multiple moves that can one shot the whole party and are very hard to avoid. At best 1/3 of the party will survive. Unlike many rpgs this can’t be solved by grinding as the move Prometheus will one shot max level characters. Basically you can only live if you kill the boss with a chain attack before they use it

Coney needs his own game. Just have one boss be the shitty genie and it's the most rng fight you have ever faced.

I have never heard as bad opinion from coney than his take on jrpgs. Its actually just wrong XD

Coney, looking up the guide to beat a turn based game is equivalent to handing the controller to your friend. The hard part IS figuring out the stuff. The hard part of action games is execution, but it's usually not that hard to even figure out what you're suppossed to do.

“JRPG bosses aren’t hard” Boss Snurp: “Oh really?”

Coney saying turn based boss battles aren't hard and then trying to flex his win against a turn based boss battle in the same mojo video ICANT

For anyone struggling with malenia (im assuming specifically waterfowl or clone) Waterfowl: 3 solutions Easiest: use a +24 shield to block the first flurry, dodge through the second one and walk through the 3rd one Medium: craft frost pots and throw one whenever she does the windup Hard: react and run out of range of the first hit, dodge as normal Clone: run backwards and left for the first 3, dodge the rest like normal

The Sans fight took me 9 hours. The Jevil fight took me 40 minutes. I think Sans was harder for me.

Love these videos! JRPG bosses are VERY hard. Try playing Shin Megami Tensei - if you have the wrong party in those games its possible for a standard enemy to one-shot your whole party (Know from personal experience). The bosses will absolutely destroy you if you have the wrong party.

8:59: "Dodging is absolutely your best strategy in this fight." Not getting hit is a good strategy? In a FromSoft game no less? Naaaaaahhh ain't no way.

Coney that's like saying a puzzle can't be hard because you can look up a guide.

Seymour and Yunalesca from FFX destroyed me when I was younger. Some of the hardest bosses I’ve ever fought still to this day 😭

I find it very funny that Coney's example of a boss you can't just look up the solution to, is one that has numerous stun lock combos on RU-vid that completely trivialize her.

I guess you can think of JRPG bosses as a puzzle? Sure, the execution isn't demanding, but that doesn't mean puzzles can't be hard.

Love the vids Coney! When's the next react wars?

Coney, saying that JRPG's are easy because you just look up the solution is literally like saying puzzles can't be hard when someone else tells you how to solve the puzzle. Being given the solution is the same as someone beating the Souls boss for you and skipping you past it. Battletoads is easy when I let my big brother play for me type beat.

8:50 Well, in lore, Coney isn't too far off. Marika, (who is also Radagon. Trust me I don't have time to explain) has a lot of parallels to Jesus. From the spear that pierces her before you fight Radagon, to her being crucified, she's pretty close to Jesus Christ.

I think it's a confusiom between execution hard and puzzle hard, which you sort of touched on in that discussion. Immediate thought goes to Pokemon, like hard mode mods. Technically something like emerald kaizo isn't hard once you get the proper Pokemon or grind as you mentioned, but usually external rules are put in place (level caps, nuzlocking, etc.) which makes it difficult. But as you said, once you know the "solution", you just repeat the solution. Turn based also can include execution in some subgenres too, like the Mario and Luigi series, but it seems you weren't really focusing on those types of games.

ATB Final Fantasy games aren't really turn based. If you have battle speed set to max and are playing with "active" on rather than "wait" then the enemies don't wait to take their turn while you go through menus and there's a level of execution added to the game.

This watchmojo session made me learn there was a Turtles in Time remake and good lord does it look bad. Also the team mascot, at least that indian man took it with pride... despite how bad everything sort of was when you add it all up.

Spyrone was gold can't believe you banned that guy

“It is hard until you figure out the solution” …does he understand the concept of a puzzle?

I still haven't beaten sans, I gotta start grinding that boney bastard again! Shit's dumb hard. I also haven't beaten jevil yet but I beat spamton neo 3rd time and the harder snowgrave Version within a week. I think if I go back I could do jevil now, sans is DEFINITELY harder than both of them combined tho!

Coneys cackling at mojo agreeing with him has me dying

Coney the type of guy to shit on Undertale and still use Sans as clickbait

If you look up how to beat a boss in a JRPG game then you didnt actually beat the boss on your own, you basically handed the controller to the person who made the guide and let them do the work. People who have done that shouldnt feel satisfaction for beating a boss.

JRPG fights are literally puzzles and situational problem solving, since there’s (usually) no execution. If you look up the answer to ANY puzzle, of course it’s gonna be easy. I agree with the (RNG doesn’t mean it’s difficult) but part of the fun of the fights is in finding the solution to the puzzle. Looking up a guide to the fight is the same as putting your Rubix Cube into an auto solver and saying “Wow, that Rubix Cube ain’t shit!”

Unban the "spyrone" chatter

nah i agree, ive played tons of jrpgs and i cant think of a single time i was like this is legit difficult due to the bosses difficulty and not just because i was stubborn and didnt want to grind or whatever

The difficulty from JRPGs is executing the optimal move for a battle. I played a Final Fantasy game where one of the bosses felt more like a rhythm game. I had to keep up damage while the boss had a form of protect and shell, then when the shields went down I go for max damage from attacks and spells. Then defend from charged attack. Then repeat the first part. It can get annoying how repetitive it was, and there were times the rhythm would go out of synch where the most possible damage could result in the party taking damage because I chose to attack instead of defend for the charge attack.

Coney you are only partially right but also final fantasy 9 is semi turn based as you have an atb bar that fills up so you have to act quickly so enemies don't keep getting attacks 🤓

the problem with exp share isnt that its there i like it alot, its that there was an option to turn it off and now there isnt and its a pain because sometimes your team can just passively overlevel if you are training up something weak and thats dumb

"I THOUGHT THE FINAL BOSS WAS GONNA BE *JESUS*"

14:31 despite the gen 4 remakes being pretty much a 3D carbon copy of the DS games with PS 2 graphics, it somehow manages to be better than scarlet and violet. even though they accidently released the wrong version of the remakes with game breaking bugs like the dupe glitch and were forced to do a day one patch to update the game with the right version.

I do feel most JRPG bosses require a level cap to be challenging. In games where your party loadout can vary wildly it might take more smarts to overcome a boss (unless it requires a specific loadout to beat, then f that)

Final bosses in JRPGs can be dumb when the developers want them to be dumb. Case in point is RGG in Yakuza 7 where the if you weren't interested in grinding the game you were suddenly thrown a 15 level difference between you and an actually difficult boss. Twice. JRPG boss fights are more tests of endurance and preparation than they are execution, which I get may be more up Coney's alley but saying they aren't difficult because theres no execution is just objectively wrong. Edit: If you want difficult JRPG bosses with execution to them, play any Xenoblade game and fight the nearest unique monster above your level.

Coney was spitting for Persona specifically, or moreso the SMT franchise in general

When I think of boss difficulty I think of mechanical difficulty, and also how hard the "solutions" to the attacks are to learn. In turn based games it's just the solutions, + there's rng involved, so I just can't bring myself to consider them as hard as most non turn based bosses.

Sekiro looks so cool man, i need to play it! Propably gonna be my first ever soulslike

“Spyrone” is fucking iconic fym

The moral of this story is my Braves should really probably change their name. THREE MASCOTS ON THE LIST?!

Maybe these bosses are hard, but it's just Coney that's extremely good at video games

Coney has the right idea but formulates his points horribly, grinding in execution heavy games compared to less execution heavy games can have the same effect. Oh boy, I sure can't beat Ornstein and Smough, let me just grind and look up strong armor, pick up Havel's and theoretically facetank them (and even if you don't agree with that example, just use any game where you can grind till you can't take damage anymore, which you can in both turn-based and action games). He might have got hung up on grinding, since that's how he started it out, should've just said that a guide can get you through a turn-based encounter, while even with a guide, you might have to put in some execution in an action game. A gamefaq guide for demon's souls mentions this really funny interaction, where you can kill the final boss in the encounter, while never drawing aggro. Shouldn't use this to judge difficulty though, since a major part of the difficulty comes from figuring out how to beat an encounter. Chat L though

What’s the song that plays at the beginning of the video

I'm gonna make a coney thumbnail book

"I thought the final boss was going to be Jesus!" is an excellent quote

lmao I poked Maliketh in the butt with the beast dagger you find at the bottom of the ledge in Caelid on my first playthrough and he's the coolest

The Minotaur boss from SMT4 pushed my shit in for hours. The music absolutely slapped though.

Cheif Noc-A-Homa is like if a people who designed punch out characters made a mascot.

The chat’s absolute confusion at Coney doubling down on his awful JRPG take instead of just admitting he’s wrong was hilarious

I took that personally when Coney said he hated Devil May Cry 5. That hurt more than when he said he liked DMC (great content Coney! Love these videos!).

"I've beaten every other boss from other FromSoft games" I refuse to believe you've beaten Nineball.

there's no way that they said Armstrong was a hard boss??? no damage vs him was so unbelievably easy

Difficulty is a weird topic. I feel like there are different types of 'hard' depending on the type/genre of game you play. - JRPG's are not hard if the only obstacle is a difference in levels and grinding in an option. The main issue is that JRPGs are strategy based, but include mechanics that make it easier to overcome any misplays, such as option to grind and read opponents large attacks and etc. (can't think of any more but I'm sure there's some). - Chess vs an AI can be hard because the AI knows the best strategies and you're playing against a machine that is designed to play the best move. But if you're a chess genius (or "use a guide" w/e that means) then I guess you can find a way to outsmart it. - Arcade games (like Punch-Out) are hard because they're fast and test for quick reflexes with small windows of opportunity. - Action RPGs at higher difficulty usually just make it so that you have less health and deal less damage while enemies have more health and deal more damage, reducing your options. (Cyberpunk 2077 was such bs man, no matter how much I grinded for the best armor, I was always killed in two shots) + The games that had the most memorable difficulty system were the Metal Gear Solid games. I may be remembering it wrong, but I remember that as I heightened the difficulty, more than just item scarcity and enemy AI was changed. The enemy was better equipped armor-wise, traps were laid out, and I could have sworn that the enemy felt like an actual unit rather than many single enemies.

Though they are random, being prepared to deal with the random is the skill.

Radagon is a fairly difficult boss, but he's not the hardest part of that fight I think. Elden Beast makes that fight so much harder, not cause he's a super difficult fight, but because it's so tedious to hit him and avoid getting hit by his BS magic attacks. Screw Elden Beast dude.

I sensed this video being a ReactMojo from a mile away

Coney when he looks up the solution to a puzzle and calls the puzzle easy as a result

shining pearl and brilliant diamond were amazing, great trip back to the past

I'd say that elements of difficulty in video games can be categorized as either skill checks, or knowledge checks. I get what Coney's arguing, but I'd say he's only half right. Although I do agree with him that RNG is not "difficulty" in and of itself, it can be implemented in such a way that the player can account for and make decisions based on the different possibilities, so RNG can be considered a knowledge check to an extent.

JRPG bosses are puzzles. There is difficulty in puzzles, it’s just a different type of difficulty than you see from many other genres of game

Obviously coney didn’t fight Cynthia as a child

Coney in fact not spitting. Plus you can't usually "just look it up" because the enemy "knee buster" attack doesn't always do 3 damage out of your 10hp It does 3-6 depending on RNG. Now if you get hit and take 6 damage Do you heal, spending your limited resource that you could run out of later in the fight? Do you attack and risk getting hit by 4-6 damage in the next turn and die? Or do you use some buff that ups your chancesmin some other way and run similar risks? That's where the skill part comes in. A guide can't tell you how to make these choices most of the time.

“They’re all persona fans” And then there’s me, who hasn’t played persona once in my life

Can’t stop thinking about Spyrone now

The Armstrong fight goes hard more than it is hard

Coney has never unlocked a harder difficulty in any Platinum game

Idea for that game: The final boss appears to be Jesus, but He refuses to fight you and the two of you curbstomp Satan instead

4:10 rare coney cookin moment. Who's the contrarian NOW chat?