@@mcsqueeb187 back stronger bro, also a plus side is we can now do fifa career mode or football manager saves for leicester championship road to glory 😄😄😄
You summed up Everton's positon perfectly. With our insane wage bill and new stadium there would be literally no money left in the championship. Lucky for us were in the best position to avoid the drop at the moment, I just hope and pray we dont bottle it against Bournemouth.
I genuinely dont get why people think Everton are nailed on to beat Bournemouth...I see Bournmouth as a much better side and they are now playing without pressure I expect them to blitz Everton. If Bournemouth start well Evertons fans will create a toxic environment and their players will crumble
@@dickbuttkiss1991 agreed, Bournemouth are a good side and Leeds will beat the bottlers Edit: just to clarify I meant Tottenham, although there is two bottlers in the premier league this season so I can see why people would get confused
Basically, if you get relegated and don't bounce back right away, once that third year hits you're just another team battling it out in the Championship. Look at Stoke City, for instance. Once they couldn't bounce back in the first two years, the last of the parachute payments was in year 3 and now they're not going to come back for a long while.
Swansea is another. Lost 2 playoffs against Brentford and then when the 4th year came they had to sell their key players like Ayew, Mark Guehi left and others leaving Swansea battling it out in the lower mid table.
@osheafoster7519 Because it didn't happen lol They got to CL SF in 2000/01 they just missed out on qualifying again for CL in that season (4th with only 3 qualifiers) and the following season the same (5th with only 4 qualifiers) then they had a relegation battle season n 2002/03 where they still had a chunk of their players at the start but were selling a lot during the season and they just survived that year but then were relegated the year after in 2004 and would've sold the last of their players that summer I.e AlanSmith to ManUtd, PaulRobinson to Spurs etc...
Sunderland might even be another example. That club should've went down many years before they even did, and by time they did, it really damaged the club, to the point it took them years to get to where they are now, but if you look at it in context, they're in a far better position, then they were before. Relegation can hurt clubs for sure, but it's always looked at in a negative light, when there are positive lights there too.
Lol true it brings you back to humble beginnings and reminds you what's actually important in Football. Damn that made me emotional, someone should make a relegation movie 🤣
I don't see it as a positive if you arwa run badly. Villa went down. To compound things we got taken over by a fraudster from China. We were lucky that Grealish took us up and kept us there for two seasons. We have good owners now but the spending was poor, poor management and running of the club. Lucky we have Emery now. Now we can relax and let the real professionals do the job
We (Sunderland) are in such a much better position now than we were - but we really skirted utter disaster on the way. The right ownership is vital - and that doesn't have to mean super-rich either.
Relegation also hurts for the large number of ordinary employees when they're made redundant by the club due to the deplorable effort and incompetence of the first team football squad
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Burnley is another example where relegation can help a club, rather than put it under huge disadvantage. Sure, they got destroyed by Man City, but come on. It's Man City honestly. Burnley were stuck playing a certain way, as it helped them win matches. Now, they're got more about them, and could be ready for the step up. As I'd argue that bottom half of the PL is very beatable for some clubs in the top half of the Championship.
Burnley is the worst club, they rarely buy new players so their squad looks the same all the time. And the most important, their playstyle is so boring.
As Forest fans, part of the lure of promotion was "well if we go down first season back then we at least get the parachute payments for the following season" sad but true.
While I get this, at the same time, relegation can help save a club that's just pushing along and doing the wrong business. If my club Newcastle didn't go down when we did, we would've still had certain poor players in the squad that needed shifted out. A year in the Championship also helped solidify us better under Rafa, and got his play style and such ready to go. Yes, finance wise, would've see a major drop off. But that relegation in effect, bettered us in the long term.
It will of course always be an economical downfall but not necessarily a disaster, depends on how well the club is run and whether it knows how sustainability works. Brentford wouldn´t f.ex. have taken a big hit if they went down due to their wage structure, sure, they would sports wise once again be stuck in the mud but financially they would be fine. So, you are absolutely right, it very much depends on the club in question.
Relegation is what keeps most leagues engaging and the the financial repercussions it brings to a club should they suffer relegation. Clubs after relegation will either get straight back up within a season or two like Burnley and Sheffield United in that case or take years in the 2nd tier to get the their act right in the case of Leeds United and Aston Villa or never to be promoted ever again due to continued poor decisions in finances, player recruitment, club infrastructure and fan engagement like in the case of Sheffield Wednesday, Derby County and Portsmouth. It's really fun and cruel to see when top league survival is necessary to balance the books.
There isn't a single human being who watches relegation fixtures. You're lying for no reason. We watch for the winning teams. Not the ones struggling to win and TV ratings prove this. Broadcasters don't sell relegation fixtures because they don't sell and what is sold is what is engaging. There is no reason for relegation. It doesn't make sense as a concept at all. Imagine if your business or employer was told they're going to have an arbitrary earnings cap that would be 50% less the previous year's earnings. You'd think it's stupid, wouldn't you? It's the same as relegation.
@@mainangatia2039lmao I love the way you're saying there's no human being who won't watch that, there are some midtable clubs which actually play football and this is coming from a guy who supports a top 6 club, lemme guess you support Manchester city or something? Fake glory hunter
Wow these Tifo pieces are just what I need every single morning before I start work, thank you guys for these whenever you produce them, thank you so much I didn't know that a club getting relegated slashes their TV revenue by that much damn it makes sense why clubs celebrate relegation survival like it's winning a title, yess staying in the top flight is great and prestigious and all but the financial impact to dropping is really really devastating, l salute those club who bounce back immediately
@@jubs4383 people want to watch quality players play agaisnt quality players. The first division has the most quality players in the country, it's only natural.
Also the reason why the Championship playoff is the most lucrative match in all football, arguably more lucrative then one with a real trophy at the end given the club changing wealth that potentially occurs (depending on how it's utilised)
Another factor is the economy surrounding the clubs, When I was younger I used to work for a company that had a catering contract with Craven Cottage, when Fulham was relegated in 2013, a lot of ordinary working people lost paid work as a result at the club had to cut back on running costs.
I'm surprised you were able to talk about how damaging relegation is without mentioning Portsmouth but I assume that the extent of their administration means Pompey were quite an unusual example of a relegated club. Whilst we haven't even recovered to where we were in the '90s at the moment, I still believe the club is now in a healthy position.
Portsmouth were screwed regardless of relegation. There's a very good book "waste of money" about shady financial dealings and mismanagement in football. Portsmouth feature. The situation was bleak even when they were in the prem
In fairness to Everton, they've only been in danger of relegation going into the last three games of the season six times since their promotion in 1954. That's 63 out of 69 campaigns, which only Arsenal can match. Yep, they're a terrible team at present but their overall consistency as a top flight side is actually incredible when you look at it, only four seasons missed ever, and they've produced title winning teams in seven different decades, which [ I think but I'm sure somebody will check] can only be matched by Liverpool and Manchester United
Nicely done. I'm worrying about Wigan and Blackpool, who have both suffered in the previous years, and are now dropping to League 1. Wigan even had a problem this season with wages. I hope the best for their situations.
Clubs with Traditionally strong academies are able to handle relegation better than other teams. Southampton was the prime example, got relegated from the Premier league, went into admin yet still managed to get back in 7 years thanks to their stacked academy (and getting a good owner to bail them out). Middlesbrough have been out for a while but seem poised to go up soon and they have a pretty strong academy as well.
You mentioned the likes of Fulham and Norwich losing a lot of revenue in the 2019/20 and 2020/21 seasons respectively but there was something that we all know about that happened (but wasn’t mentioned) which made a massive contribution to that.
I hope Everton does not view Dyche as a 'relegation specialist'. A relegation specialist is an interim guy who comes in February and tries to save your club from the axe. Dyche has a project and a vision, he can do it for the right club, squeeze a good product out of low resources. But you need to give him time, a say in recruitment, multiple preseasons...
It's substantially worse in Spain if you get relegated. Some big names in Spanish football have been consigned to the wilderness of the Segunda Division for years. Espanyol may have some serious problems getting back to the Primera Liga when they are relegated.
Fun fact is Leicester will lose all their best players since they actually have decent players but they don’t have a structure at the club. The Maddison miss will hurt them so much. He will move to Newcastle and become an absolute beast in their midfield alongside Guimaraes and Joelinton. Also he will for the first time be able to play UCL
This was awesome. I love watching the PL from USA and i love the relegation/promotion system but I am always interested to learn more about it. Make more like these pls
4:08 in fairness, Leeds were relegated before parachute payments were a thing. We were already in financial free-fall, and then dropped out of the League losing a huge amount of our revenue with nothing in place to slow the financial crisis, sending us into administration.
Alot of the financial rules and parachute payments came about because of what happened to Leeds, it showed how owners like Ridsdale put a club into such chaos and walked away free of any punishment or debt (as everything was under the clubs name)
It's insane that Leeds United played Champions League in 2000/01 reaching quarter-finals and then sold almost all players in next 2 seasons and got relegated in 2004, that's why they say "doing a Leeds"
Look at it another way. Luton winning the championship playoff yesterday guaranteed them between £135m and £265m (tv money and parachute payments if they get relegated). Not bad for a one off game.
Parachute payments needs to stop. It blatantly is an unfair advantage. If a team is hurt so badly by being relegated then they should handle their finances better.
Without parachute payments no team in the bottom half could take the risk of substantial investment in the squad, and the gulf between the haves and have nots become unwatchably wide
@@garymason7 50 clubs have played in the Premier League since its inception. That means ~40 clubs have benefited from this payment. It's difficult to argue that the Prem redistributing less money down the chain is better for the pyramid.
@@YayaTourneynot entirely true. Parachute payments only came in after Leeds got themselves into real trouble financially so several teams that haven’t been in the premier league since 2004, didn’t get that help (eg Wimbledon, Ipswich, Coventry, Oldham, Bradford etc). Parachute payments should be allowed but only for teams that have been able to stay up for at least one season. The yo-yo teams should have it
Unless you are Norwich City, who have financial prudency on lock down, relegation can feel like the end of the world for most teams. I'd argue a 50% wage-to-revenue ratio is a better benchmark to strife for, though.
Fantastic video, thank you! Please can you do a Newcastle United specific video? Focusing on CL Qualification & what that means for their spending power given their current financial circumstances? % of wages to turnover etc 🙏🏻
This is a harsh reality unfortunately for the teams that would be relegated from the English First Division football to the English Second Division football,good friends!!!🙏
football is a meritocracy. you earn it unlike American sports were theres a new champion every year and no risk for poor performing teams.. in America the worst team gets rewarded with draft picks
I do think that if a club is doing terribly (hello Derby, Watford, Southampton etc) the fans would rather see them go down and perform better than a perpetual struggle in a higher league. This season I’m just grateful Chelsea aren’t in the end of season scrap, because given our terrible season we should be 🙈😬
Sunderland fans used to say that. Then we got relegated twice in two seasons. Took a while for that "see us perform better against weaker teams" bit to actually happen....
@@MichaelGGarry also that common jobs and people who work at the club get fired immediately, maintainence staff, people working in publicity and human resources. u10 football coaches, etc, etc. their future even if they have an average wage is managed by how well the 11 players on the pitch perform.
As a child i really hate MLS league format where no relegation and favouring traditional promotion-relegation system. But as i grow up, i started to realize that no relegation system is becoming much more make sense in financial and stability of the club
As a Leicester fan it’s been a disaster of a year! I keep going back to I guess three years ago when they signed Soumare, Daka and another scrub I can’t remember the name, espn and every other outlet had them in the top 5 of any team in any league for that transfer window, bust, bust and bust, impossible to recover from that, eventually took its toll.
This is why I can understand why some clubs like Norwich would do the yo-yo club thing, like Bournemouth more or less this season, just don't spend too much as you get up, pocket a lot of the 100 million, and even keeping 50 million of that instead of going for players means they can be a financially healthy Championship club who can use that money to flesh out good facilities and training grounds etc and keep out of debt. I would say Bradford was the worst example of throwing too much money and debt at trying to stay in the EPL Bournemouth seem to have done very well through staying up without too much outlay while Nottingham Forest would have been in trouble had they not survived given how much they spent
If teams are coming down from the Premier League, they might get £43m from the first year parachute alone,” Chris Winn of the University Campus of Football Business says. “That’s usually more than all non-parachute recipients will generate across all their revenue streams in a season.
One major inaccuracy in this regarding relegation is that away fans will see an increase in their ticket prices not a decrease as would be expected due to the cap at 30.00, surely if the FA actually cared about the fans as they claim then an element of the parachute payment should used to keep this in place
Just look at Sheffield Wednesday, the last club to be relegated without parachute payments. They frequently competed for silverware in the 90's, and are historically one of Englands most successful clubs. Now its been over 20 years wince they were in the premier league at all.
I think the answer is to abolish parachute payments, so as to prevent this kind of unfairness (which affects all clubs not in receipt of those payments)?
Parachute payments pretty much ensure the same teams keep coming up and down. Millwall as an example came their closest to a play off spot in years but ultimately fell short against the teams still receiving huge amounts of money from the Premiership's TV deals.
I never understand why they don't show the championship on TV at 3pm! It'll create revenue for the clubs so they'll be more financially sound! If they're not going to show the premier league teams at 3pm, why not have the championship on the TV?
Just a note from a data scientist, I noticed you used the average a lot in the video the average is okay if you have normal distributed data if the data is skew then the median may be better at getting your point across. The numbers may not be as dramatic but it will convey information more accurately.
As a Fulham fan who was living abroad when we got relegated back in 13/14 I was gutted I wasn't able to watch matches. Why doesn't the championship televise all matches? Surely they'd be able to bring in more money even if it meant some decrease in match day revenue?
They didn't have anything at the time but I'm fairly certain the EFL do now have a streaming service where you can buy a season ticket to watch your own club
At this point, isn't Sam Allardyce just a reputation merchant? His last 2 relegation jobs haven't been successful and Leeds look like they are about to make it 3 straight duds. It's a shame that Leeds made such a U-turn in their approach especially because Ralph Hussenhutl was there to be picked up, someone who has actual experience with relegation dogfights but also someone who can work with a basic squad to elevate their floor. I hope Leeds consider hiring Hussenhutl should they go down, or stay up. I think that much like Bielsa, he'd be a big hit with the added benefit of not being as difficult to work with and a good sense of how to use the loan market to build a squad.
Ive never heard anyone except from this video use the term "doing a Leeds". Now, us in the know have often used the term "pulling a Ridsdale". Which is a reference to the guy who caused the problems at Leeds (amongst other clubs he also chairmanned).
Oh no! We're still going to receive the best part of £50 million in a league where everyone else gets about £8million in TV revenue (TV plus Solidarity). The struggle is so hard. Although I certainly feel for the employees who get made redundant, if you're at exec level of a PL club and you don't have a contingency plan for relegation when EVERY YEAR 3 teams MUST go down your head is well and truly buried in the sand. There's a reason why certain clubs are constantly yoyo-ing and the phrase starts with a "P" and ends in "arachute payments". If you can't get promoted after 3 years of parachute payments you deserve to sink down the pyramid
This is why a league like MLS won't implement relegation, it risks massive losses in a league where teams cost hundreds of millions of dollars up front and if a team gets relegated it will massively damage a sport that's growing in the us
Plus most US fans of sport don’t get the idea of relegation given how the nfl, nba etc work. Had they started the mls as a pyramid idea eg making 2 divisions instead of 1, they might have been able to do it and then the North American league teams would be able to join in tier 3/4 or whatever.
All empires fall, PL clubs receiving hundreds of millions every season, spending it on dud players and being relegated is the kinda wake up call they need to get their act together.
Great video, you should make a video about Partizan Belgrade, before was amazing, always first or second even once in the final of the UCL. They just finished 4th. The board is awful just like the current players.
It’s mainly unfair with regards to teams that have yo-yoed between the leagues . Those guys barely spend in the premier league, go down and therefore can then spend more than the Championship teams due to ffp not causing them issues.
So basically AFC Richmond keeping all its players (and even expanding its staff) in Ted Lasso was wildly unrealistic. Such a shame that a fictional TV show is fictional.
Leicester achieved the unthinkable in 2015/2016 by winning the EPL Trophy,and I believe Tottenham can achieve the unthinkable in 2023/2024 also...by dropping down to the Championship
I mean if the premier league wasn’t so greasy and reduced the gap in revenue between leagues (thus able to getting rid of parachute payments) and making not only the championship and premier league more competitive but even Europe
That would just shift the problem further down the pyramid . The championship would essentially become a premier league 2 and league one would then be in the situation the championship is in right now. The gap should definitely be reduced but also let’s not leave behind the 3rd and 4th tier teams that are a part of the football league.
@@nameanteater4772 that is what it is currently. It's what the solidarity payments are. So as long as the tweak doesn't then skew the gap between tier 2 and 3 and tier 3 and 4 then it's fine
@@nameanteater4772 you can't scrap them all together. Especially for teams that had been in the premier league for multiple seasons. Without them, Leicester would be in loads of trouble financially given their contract and player situation. Agreed for teams that have only been up 1 season but others that have been there 5 years plus, they need that money
its why i fear for west brom, our owner is happy to take the prem money to prop up his other businesses but now we need investment the bloke is like Casper
Feel like Southampton are far better suited than any other team to bounce straight back. Small squad with no journeyman on high wages (Walcotts contract is expiring). Players that will be marketable to top teams (JWP, Lavia) are all on long contracts and will command hefty fees. Other players such as Tella, Che Adams, Armstrong etc are proven at that level. Find it hard to see how a club like Everton that are crippled by their previous financial mismanagement are going to cope or if there will be many takers for some of Leicesters OAPs that are on massive wages.
You say that, some of their apparent relegation release clauses for some of their players are very bad. Eg Rodrigo apparently has a release clause of just £5 million. They bought him for £27 mill! Not to mention some of weirdness Radrizzani has been doing with apparently including elland road as collateral when he was making a bid to buy Sampdoria. Thankfully looks like he’s out after selling to the 49ers but they’re only going to come back up if they get the right manager in. Team has been very rudderless and panicky since sacking Bielsa. Out of the 3 relegated clubs, it’s actually Southampton that right now are best placed to go straight back up. There’s also a very likely scenario of none of the teams going straight back up.
The handling or Rodrigo does look bad but this season has been his best ever season for Leeds compared to the two previous seasons if we were to give him a contract extension after the first two I think quite a few would of said he wasn’t deserving. With one year left on his contract now what we will be looking at? I’m just happy that we’re not looking as bad as last time we had the second lowest wage bill in the prem last season and now there’s apparently clauses in contracts protecting the clubs finances. Idk who’s going up best thing about the championship is it’s a free fir all it’s anyone’s game and I’ve more of a chance of getting away tickets. Every silver lining
@@tmac3444 yeah plus you got decent money for both Raphinha and Phillips. Think financially you're sound. It's really fixing that defence as tbh it's gotten worse year on year and who the starting keeper should be. Needs to be the right manager as well
They really need to massively increase the championship teams TV revenue rather than parachute payments. Parachute payments give a handful of championship teams an unfair advantage which the rest can't compete with because of FFP.. Clubs received £233m in parachute payments in the 2020-21 season, an average of £33m per club. The average revenue of clubs without parachute payments was £20m Clubs receiving parachute payments generated an average points gap of +16 in 2020-21 The average points gap over the five seasons, for clubs in receipt of parachute payments, was +8.6 Clubs that have parachute payments are far less likely to get relegated from the Championship than those that do not have them The Premier League is clearly not contributing enough to the league system..it's by far the richest League in the world the least they could be doing is putting substantial amount of money down the pyramid and still been better off than any other top tier League. It should be considered a pension plan in football terms. Instead of giving 250m in parachute payments I think the premier League should just be bumping up TV revenue for the championship but by 500m so each team receives on avg 20m more on top of the 5-6m. I think this would make competition better in the long term and start to reduce the massive gap between premier League and championship. Maybe even put it in the TV revenue rights that broadcasters have to pay 20% of premier League revenue to the championship.
Well now the prospect of promotion to premier leaguse soubds scary too. I heard luton town have to invest in better stadium to get it up to premier league standard, now imagine how hard it'll hit them if they don't stay
They don’t have to change much plus they’re already have plans in motion to move to a new stadium (original planning permission was obtained in 2019 with a view to moving into it by 2026 regardless of whether they would be in the premier league or not) . Also they didn’t spend millions to get promoted. If you look at their net spend, they’ll be fine even if they go straight back down.
Portsmouth is another, we used to a prem club in 2006/7 and got all the way to 2nd league. Be great to see them in championship or prem again. I think at best we would be a championship club at best these days
Parachute payments are creating a huge imbalance in the championship. When non-relegated clubs are in financial trouble, they’re told to sell players to make money by the EFL, and it should be the same for the relegated clubs.
Are you just wanting the championship and lower leagues to get more of the revenue the premier league gets? Unless you’re just outright furious about how much money the premier league brings in lol
I mean Leicester City are only the second ever Premier League Champions to have gotten relegated from the division. The only other team to have won the Premier league title and then been relegated are Blackburn Rovers when they got relegated in the 98-99 season.
As a Villa fan I’d take Vardy on a year contract without hesitation, he’s exactly what we need and the fact he’s 36 means nothing as there’s enough running in the team already, we just need a clinical finisher, which he is!.
Financial hurt post relegation can be softened by owners prepared to put money into the club to regain the position in the Prem. In the billionaires club, no one want's to the that guy who owns a championship team when all the other billionaires own prem teams.
Maybe a good standardized financial rule should be that every team has to include relegation clauses in their wage contracts that state player wages will go down by x% if the team is relegated. If it is standardized, no clubs can lure players away by saying they won't have a relegation clause. This would make sure clubs won't have massive wages to pay after they have significant losses in revenue. At the end of the day, a club gets relegated due to low player and/or manager performance, so their wages should go down as a result.
Easier said than done. Whilst I agree with the idea in theory, there’d have to be a minimum required clause or teams would just offer a 0.1% pay cut. But then if you did set a minimum %age it would likely further inflate wages as players want their salary to still be good in the event of relegation.
Oh no…the harsh reality of no longer earning 5x the average yearly wage in a week, and now having to earning only 2x the average yearly wage in a week… you poor souls
Great video, but how you didn't mention or include Wigan as an overwhelming case study that suffered every single factor in one since being relegated in 2013 is surprising considering the massive suffering they consider to face as a result of administration twice etc
As a villa fan, I support relegation. It's sorts out the good teams from the bad. The good teams like us come back up, the bad teams like Birmingham city stay down
You forget that we got incredibly lucky. Our current managers literally saved us from folding completely as a club. It's scary how close we were to not existing as a club under Tony Xia. But also SOTC.
