The Hexarchy Crisis: High Lords vs The Primarch (Warhammer 40K Lore) 

Thus begging the question of who was stripping.

@@ravensquote7206 the Hexarchs

And the custodes......

Anc then it was declared an "Ultra" game

And yet, Gulliman would say. This was easier to predict than micro-management of a full legion’s ship’s movement in a battle... Hold my keg of beer 🍺 he says...

"I am the law." -Roboute Guilliman

The whole thing did feel very roman to me haha. Which I guess is entirely appropriate for the Imperium.

The funny thing being Pompey would be saying that to those who would beseech Caesar, Pompey was trying to uphold the Senate's decision of Caesar's dismissal.

today i have learned a very cool quote, thank you for that.

In Guilliman case, he know both, and better than them exponentially

Reminds me of "The Grand Inquisitor" by Fyodor Dostoevsky. The subject matter is very similar

@@jhoxha maybe it was used as reference material, that happrns often

Thats how 40k lore works the original authors cant control peoples head cannon

Belasarius caal was one do the founding genewrites on the astartes program as well and he’s right in the line of techno heresy

@@Xenos_hive I don't think Belasarius is even human anymore that's probably a corrupted copy of his memories masquerading as human no normal human being could survive as long as he did.

The Emperor said “Hey let’s go conquer the galaxy, for humans.” Everyone said “Cool let’s do that.” So they did. “Hey, we can make a religion out of this.” “NO.” said the Emperor so they didn’t. Then everything was great. “This is bullshit.” said Horus. “I wanna be my own Emperor, I wanna worship gods and stuff.” So the Imperium broke apart and everyone fought for a bit. Then Horus died. Then the Emperor died. “Hey, we can make a religion out of this.” said everyone. The Emperor didn’t say anything because he was dead. So they did.

WASDLeftClick Now the Mechanicus can get down to business

@@gargoyles9999 to defeat, the white scars

@midgetydeath Emperor: "Do as I say, not as I do"

@midgetydeath Lorgar: HAH! HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHA! HURTS DOESNT IT?!

Amen.

Praise be

What’s High Gothic for ‘totally’? 😁

Jeffrey Green that would be ‘prorsus’

I like to image at least one occasion someone heard a loud bang and came to check in him only to find his face bloody. To which Guilliman must admit that the damage was self inflicted from his own facepalm

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@@codyhawkcaster4671 “My lord are you- EMPEROR ABOVE! YOU’RE BLEEDING!” “I know…” “MEDICAE! GET THE MEDIC-“ “No need. I wasn’t attacked” “…my lord?” “I’ve just discovered a chronicle of the reign of blood” “Oh…oh dear” “had I a bolt pistol, I would use it” “My lord!” “Not on myself. The senatorum, the High twelve, the ecclesiarchy, the Inquisition…everyone, really”

@@TheCorrodedMan "Shall I send for the Fists of Terra, my leige? Their belt-feeds would provide enough ammunition-" "No, no, I'll handle this properly."

Hahahaha that's good I love it.

Guilliman : you dare using my own spell against me?

the long game huh a primarch who has been snoozing for ten millennia says he can play that game too

The division of power in the Imperium gives them one thing. A lot of failsafes if one group of people start to get out of hand.

@@SusCalvin at a significant cost to be sure but your right the imperium is.still kicking for that reason

Guilliman: That's so cute!

Technically Terra doesn't have any grassy knolls.

@@LordCommander-ui2fw That's one way to not get JFKed I guess

@@aliveandwellinisrael2507 Hey. I think I've seen you elsewhere.

Oh boy. Here I go killin again

>implying Terra has grass

like horus?

@@dr.palsonp.h.d815 exactly horus

Tbh the Emperor did it first

Nope.

Yep, guillaman is the GOAT

whatever those morons were expecting, their plans were most definitely stymied by a guy who can quite literally think of 3 things at once while having enough of his attention on a battle he is in

Wake up sheeple!!

Yeah, he'd seen this movie before, he knew not to just leave cowards in power without a plan to remove them.

well some people like to think they are different, better and will never get backstabbed because they are the best. just don´t fuck with a primarch

Drakan Vangorich did the same thing with The Beheading during the War of the Beast, all the High Lords sought to consolidate their personal power instead of fight the beast. Vangorich had them all killed.

@@syvarris467 y i know but if i remember correctly the astartes thought too that the high lords were shit

You know he has such a trust worthy face, you can’t help it.

7th

Referring to Robert as Bobby blueballs is one of the funniest things I’ve ever read. Thank you.

@@andrewpandrew7786 I'm always glad to have amused.

What do you think the IQ of a Primarch is? 300? 500? It's laughable that they thought they could get away with anything lol

@@cgavin1 To be fair, they only know about primarchs as stuff of legend. You know cars accidents are scary but you only have the feeling when you walk near a high ways and feel the wind of the speeding cars slamming on your face

@@cgavin1 literal gigabrain. Compare the size of the man's head to a guardsman; his brain is bigger than most human's torsos

Looks across the pond to the new world... It seems.

That's quotable gold right there, well said, Oculus!

This is like spoiling a movie just by saying what genre it is.

he also wrote the Codex Astartes... a large part of which dealt with every possible situation one might face... I'm pretty sure something like this is amongst those possibilities

Even others primarchs would have trouble going total war on Guilliman as he have superior numbers an organization. Sure, one on one Guilliman will lose to half the primarchs but on large scale he's like the Soviet army on steroid

@@zachsmith1676 >"...a large part of which dealt with every possible situation one might face..." >The Codex Astartes had to be revised, because Guilliman failed to predict a great many things Pick one.

@@minhducnguyen674 please, soviets couldn't hold a candle to the military brilliance of ancient Rome, on which ultramar is based upon. Logistics, foresight, unbreakable will and discipline allowed them to conquer empire and hold it for 1000 years. All of them girlyman embodies, and logistics are his greatest forte.

The Ordo Heriticus would like a word with you about this non-existent war you seem to be referring to... you do not have the right to refuse

Orks never attacked the palace itself.

@@Khashmonet you had to ruin the joke, right? Also, the eldar did.

@@a_Minion_of_Soros cant we all at least pretend that one didnt happen Sorry i just cant believe how dirty they did my golden boys

Didn’t a Custodian die fighting an Ork on the Walls during/after the Ork Battlemoon crashed onto Terra? It’s in the Custodian Codex I think.

The senile old men in TTS are smarter.

However smart these High Lords may have been they were blinded by ignorance and a sense of self importance. To the point they deluded themselves into believing they ever had a chance.

MacroMicro12 Yep they actually thought the Custodes would simply just watch from the sidelines and not intervene DESPITE the fact the captain general had publicy announced loyalty to Guilliman i mean come on

I mean, you can kind of manipulate Angron or Pert. Just hope that once they realize what you have done, you are already five sectors away from where they are. Even Morty wouldn't fall for that and he was all about strength and stuff

Don't forget the High Lords almost surrendered to the Orks during the War of the Beast. They were so pathetic when the Orks came to negotiate their surrender that they invaded Terra anyway.

"Do you mean 'time' theoretically or practically?"

Weirdly, Guilliman could just be a great tzeench follower as he's a masters of planning, another aspect of tzeench. And Magnus was never known to be a good trickster he himself got tricked by another primacrh in the first place

@@minhducnguyen674 Guilliman is a Smurf

@@thebestdad9816 Not any Smurf, the lord of all Smurfs

_Dear Roboute_ _How are you? The battle on Luna was quite something, and I assure you it hasn’t faded away among the darker circles. It lives on, even now: a son of the Emperor sending a hoard of daemons reeling back into the warp? Who’d have thought? Regardless, I thought it best to establish some form of communication with you, something physical, non-telepathic, so that I may congratulate you on your victories in this so called “Indomitus Crusade.” The chaos you are causing has uprooted many of the more stagnant lords, paving the way for more...ambitious individuals. I wish you well, brother. The galaxy is yours, rule it as you see fit...but the Warp, soon enough, will belong to _*_me_* _Yours, Magnus_

Amen, Bull Brother! seriously tho, how can the Minotaurs be so dang cool. Great color, mysterious background, badass traits. And bound to no origin Legion

I hate those fuckers! Sorry! 😘

@Sebastian Thor That's my general theory as well, yeah. Or a chimeric mixture of left over gene stock the High Lords found in Antarctica...a cache left there by the Big E for safe keeping

@@SC_3 I dunno man. They're from the cursed founding. Genesmiths thought it'd be a great idea to make Chimeric gene seed and take other "liberties". You have some pretty messed up chapters as a result: the black dragons (giants with bony protrusions) the flame falcons ( spontaneously combusting marines) Lamenters ( Supernatural bad luck bros) I think it's possible the Minotaurs are a mix of Iron Warriors (paranoia and stubbornness) and world Eaters (aggression and rage)

"you can't just wage total war on Terra!" Asterion- "haha Lazer spear go zzza-zaaappp!"

Oh shit you right

14 minutes in, and I realize the game was rigged from the start

Others primarchs would beat them too as they too have just as good strategic minds, they just don't want to put and effort in it. Russ would just decapitate them so he wouldn't have to deal with the talking

I’d say any of the Primarchs, excluding Angron could probably have put down the actual rebellion. However I’d also say Guilliman is one of the few who would put down the rebellion with enough tact to minimize the loss of human life and material resources. The Lion, Dorn, Russ, they’d all make quick work of these traitors. However in their expedience to obtaining a resolution, there would likely be at least a small civil war. One that would still cost millions of lives and waste valuable time and guns. Guillimans patience in this manner is what particularly sets him apart.

They would have done well to ask the Arbites about sting operations where they leave an "abandoned" Baneblade in the bad part of town.

@@macromicro1715 Angron pre nails would probably not depose them BUT he would also bring them to his side, like an iron fist in a velvet glove. Post nails Angron still would try, but it just end in him either cracking a tooth in rage or just killing them.

@@macromicro1715 He's a statesman as well as a general. Ultramar isnt a self-sufficent psudo-kingdom for no reason after all.

Lol I am trying to imagine that

Anyway, not until you win eating competition with Nids ;) and outlive a Necron :)

A bit of an exaggeration, but not much.

I don’t think he had much of a choice either way, as he couldn’t have physically joined the traitors regardless

He was probably busy drooling over all the 'new' technology Guilliman was handing out.

He was busy serving oil margaritas to the martian population.

aeterna789 Access denied

Wasn't the Fabricator-General part of the conspiracy to bring in a dark eldar haemonculus to try and repair the Golden Throne? He's definitely not coming out of this squeaky clean either.

Thats what they tell you, but if you then read the sacred scrolls (the novels) you cant help it but notice that every second human tin can makes decisions or acts like if their brain has just recently sucked dry by a Tyranid Hormagaunt...

High Lords: You have beaten me at my own game. Guilliman: Don't flatter yourself. You were never even a player.

Clearly never been around kids, they are wiley beyond reason.

@@Presbiter Which, mind you, IS DISTINCT POSSIBLITY

I see what you did there :D

The high lords guaranteed their death when they thought they could out plan a primarch hand crafted to be the best planner. Like what

@@ianharrison5758 There is no planning. There is only a crisis of succession. Allies must be secured, and the war fought. The high lords simply grossly miscalculated who they could count within their allies.

@@egoalter1276 which is part of my original comment. G man definitely saw all this coming and planned accordingly. You can’t stage a coup without a plan

@@ianharrison5758 The high lords should and would have counted on a primarch (or pretender) challanging their primacy. The fact they let it happen in the first place is unbelievable enough in the first place, and shows they are in crisis control mode. Guillyman similarly having just woken up has no idea of the state of the imperium at large and is acting largly on hunches rather than relyable information, which simply doesnt exist.

@@egoalter1276 Guilleman is still a primarch. That’s not something some high lords who are 10,000 years disconnected from him can plan for in any reliable capacity. They simply have no idea what they are truly dealing with. Guilleman on the other hand has shown his supreme ability to gather and filter information. He was able to immediately turn the tide of an invasion then go on a hectic crusade back to terra right after his big ass nap. With his ability to analyze shit like the nerd primarch he was created to be, guilleman can definitely pull the information he needs from even the nightmare than is the 41st millennium. Think about it like this: the schemes of men never change. Guilleman has dealt with power plays like that before. Yet primarchs are beings of myth and understood by no one but eachother and their father. That’s why guillman has had such an impact. He’s not the best commander or warrior but boy that man has some hectic planning skills. Having the emperor in his corner doesn’t hurt either. I wish the coup was better planned and had more of an impact, but I’m not at all surprised it failed. It had no business or chance at succeeding. Even if it made sense lore wise, why bring back a primarch just to have him overthrown soon after? Just my thoughts on it

Enjoy!

I listen to him while driving my truck, definitely a great orator.

Great stuff ain't it 😉

Check out Baldermort and A Border Prince too. You're welcome.

*looks at the stupid acts the custodians did in horus heresy.* Yeaaa...I agree

@@funbro99 that's cause they got writers who like the traitors for those books and they wrote the Custodes like idiots on purpose. Sad cause in the new series covering them and the sisters of Silence they are badasses and that's how they should be written.

@@eichler721 *looks at tyvar killing primaris marines who been with them.* Maybe but I still see stupidity in the custodians i.g Skelton keys, lorgar, not arresting amon... Not somehow stopping russ

@@funbro99 ya thats what I am talking about those are Heresy books written by authors who like the Traitor Astartes or in some cases hate the Emperor so they write him and his Custodes as idiots. Gav Thorpe is well known for this. And the Logar book sucks. Chris Wraight and Guy Haley do better then most but I hope to see much better work. For instance in Solar War series the Ambush the Custodes pull on Terra is tactical genius. Its cause the writter cares about the factions they are writing about so try and make them good.

@@eichler721 true true.

Funny the old boy was progressive enough for the coup attempt to take place.

Damn this whas a political move that would give Macchiavelli a hard on!

They were dead the moment they thought of the plot against lord commander

well, he is the second greatest statesman in the galaxy. surpassed only by his father.

i mean you have a better chance to beat guilliman in battle (as he is not the strongest among Primarch, well but he IS STILL a PRIMARCH so super scary) rather than in politics. It is like challenging Salamander to create a better melta gun, you are not going to win. the only primarch that can almost certainly lost is just Angron, well until he tear you a new ass that is..

@@gondeazidws6051 And it have to be a short small scale battle, an all out war would bring the superior logistics, organization and strategic planning of Guilliman to bear and these lords will lose a slow grinding war. And Guilliman will just as likely to have the support of half the imperium plus most of the space marines because some of them may not like Guilliman, most of them hate the high lords even more

@@minhducnguyen674 yeah i mean with competent logistics imperium can crush almost anything. Since basically most manufactoum and forge world are operating at like 1/10 of their capacity. i mean for example even realm ofultramar before heresy and today are like heaven and hell. And that is the best realm.

@@gondeazidws6051 And Guilliman can add one thing imperial army usually lacks : quality. Imagine the guards but having better equipment and training. That's what Guilliman can create

@@gondeazidws6051 What? Only 10% maximum capacity? I thought the manufactorum was always on full capacity and the problem was that they only produce outdated crappy equipment? Now not only they are producing outdated equipment they can't even get enough of it

Indeed brother

@@ARandomCustodian Hey, tell Wamnudes that he still owes me 500 credits. Took him out to eat one time and he ate out the entire hab block.

Sometimes memes are funny

Both would be better. There are 2 imperiums right now, one that needs defending and one that needs retaking and has a disturbingly large amount of [redacted] gathering that the Lion and his sons will have concerns about

The book sets it up even better. I wish I could have read that book without having seen this video first

That's America right now.

"War is peace Freedom is slavery Ignorance is strength" Well someone read 1984

You even sound like spiffing here lol

@@christianbateman2 are you drinking tea while watching this masterpiece ?

@@edmundthespiffing2920 that I am good sir! *sips* you?

@@guardianofthetoasters2323 how DARE YOU !? HOW DARE YOU ASK ME THIS QUESTION!

@@edmundthespiffing2920 *GASP* PARDON ME GOOD SIR BUT I THINK YOUR MISS UNDERSTANDING SOMETHING!? I WAS JUST ASKING IF YOU WERE DRINKING TEA AND CRUMPETS!

If there has been anything good to come out of the new lore it's this watchers of the throne. Book is good

A Roboute Guilliman walking into the chamber bare handed and unarmored save for a simple blue toga, muttering darkly something about "if you need a task completed to your specifications, the only hand you should trust to complete it, is your own."

There is something to say of a fire. It cleanses all it touches. Maybe there is room now to grow and rebuild on Terra. Doubtful, but possible.

I can see where you are coming from, but terra is an ecumenopolis, the whole planet is nothing but metal from a thousand other worlds. Oceans of water are already delivered regularly only to be drunk by the populace. It is simply not an environment I would believe capable of self sufficient life ever again outside of cultivated gardens in the palace. Thematically a rejuvenated and life bearing terra would be imo the final statement of intent to make 40k into a nicely marketable space fantasy, and not the surreal grimdark we have all come to love. Itd be end-times tier off point. Nice thought, but wholly inappropriate.

Man's been default-dancing on them ever since their little threats.

Tacoguy1000 the image you put in my head is amazing

@@thegamingsentinel9238 Glad to be of service.

This is how he negs dat Holy Inquisitor Verity Calendris. Its a long haul game, kings.

@@TOUGHEYES she DEFINETLY wanted the D

"Meanwhile at the Temple of Doom"

Didn't you know? Girlyman IS alpharius!

I can picture Omegon smiling, with a single tear going down his cheek, seeing Guiliman performing a move he would so approve of.

@@randomcenturion7264 Omegon would just have them kill each other and shoulder 0% of the blame, then use them killing each other as an excuse to do more of what he wanted, without letting them realize he was pushing through the changes he wanted.

@@Tom_Cruise_Missile ...Shit. That DOES sound like something the Alpha Twins would do.

The fact that they stepped foot on Terran ground w/o proper and official consent, was enough for them to be labeled Excommunicae. Even a single squad of Astares of the First Founding cant just show up and Terran space and land.

Don’t forget Toby Longworth.

He probably had Yvrain in his lap the whole time too

weldonwin Pointy ears, while xenos, at least make good waifus

While an interesting hypothetical I have to feel they were deliberately left out by the Primarch because it's unclear what they might do

Welcome aboard!

they're not traitors they just have a more dynamic interpretation of loyalty!

They're probably iron warrior successors. Explains their... unhelpful attitude,

If you read the book the people of terra loved them lol.

And had by some miracle he failed, Guiliman was also great GENERAL and fighter himself. Maybe not the best but most balanced of his brothers and .... still a Primarch.

Oculus: EXCUSE ME! *falls from the ceiling* Custodes: I THOUGHT WE BANISHED YOU FROM FROM HERE AFTER THE DARK-SUN INCIDENT?! Oculus: Truth can not be hidden behind a mere declaration. Custodes: WE THREW YOU OF THE PLANET- Oculus: *places a finger on his lips* hush. Now, tell me about the Hexarchy

@@thomastakesatollforthedark2231 beautiful

Hey, thanks so much! Welcome aboard :D

Well they aren't called the Static Tendency for nothing

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