The History Lesson of Kendrick's Pop Out 

Glad your back hope you don't go away again

what a legend!! ❤

I think this beef shows that it has not evolved that much.

@@Cubanlinx63 I think a willingness on Kendrick's part and to an extent Drake, to try pointing out the other's misogyny as a negative point shows some evidence to that potential evolution. The next step would really have to be not using women's trauma at all for social standing, but actually acknowledge why that was so prevalent and prevent that from being acceptable or laudable. I think we're in a moment where acknowledgement is decent, action is better, and we're potentially trending towards more action.

It was proven Tammi Terrell and David Ruffin never even dated by a plethora of Motown artist and other people around at that time, that was some shit Otis Williams made up for the movie. And he and Shelly Burger got sued by the Ruffin Estate for defamation for that and other parts of that movie that were inaccurate or made up you can look it up

He shouldn't have talked about Kendrick family or be in an inappropriate relations with minors in public for the last ten years

It was Justin Tinsley who mentioned Kobe but regardless, it is true that there are lots of complexities and murky shades of grey with these issues, as so many powerful and celebrated men have been abusive. and Kobe in his day, and as everyone processed his passing was definitely an example of that. But I don't think alluding to the city's sadness over his passing, and having the still with us Dr Dre play this central role in this particular event, are quite the same. If Kobe was still with us and Kendrick tapped him for the role Dre played here, I do think there would've been discussion on that too.

@@enzorocha2977 Ike Turner was a musical genius and there wouldn’t have been a Tina Turner without an Ike Turner.

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@@MMAOdin 😂😂😂😂 big facts!

Exactly!! Naming CB and then saying Kenny beats Whitney is just like something Drake would do with his shallow thinking.

Common smoked Drake so bad J Prince had to come in and ask Common for a cease fire

@@demofyabasically the same thing j. prince did with Pusha T.

Have a tissue 🤧

bro dre is a west coast legend and i don’t think that who he was 36 years ago is at all similar to who he is today

I don't think this applies to KB because he wasn't rehabilitated after his doing his stint, but I also don't think that's what prisons are for, no matter what pro-incarceration folks say.

@lexicon1913 on Mr Morale I struggled with the stance Kendrick took as "setting free" abusers who didn't acknowledge what they did themselves or asked for forgiveness (Mother I Sober) but after a long time and self reflection I think it's his way of saying "this could have been me". IMO forgiveness is rarely given but we cannot seek it on someone's behalf - they must put in their own work as Kendrick attempted to do.

Or he forgives like God teaches? Are people not allowed to change? Be forgiven? Identify their flaws an try to do better? All thinks Dre has done? Do you even have the wherewithal to identify how powerful the unity was on stage? Should all those people also be dambed forever without any inkling of forgiveness or empathy? Even though they could fir others who probably caused them trauma? Nobody is above reproach but at some point let's act like forgiveness is a thing... The fact this quest is trying to bring up old ass news to try to discredit forgiveness for ANYONE. You aren't God..

@@crowing3886 did God teach Kendrick to handle Drake like that? People are allowed all the grace. But a key point in both Jay Smooth and OME pieces was, how you call out Drake for being a peedo and then bring out Dre? Consistency is an issue here. Where does forgiveness end and accountability begin exactly? One can be forgiving, discerning and tastefully distant all at the same time. If he has the grace forgive Dre and act on it, then at the same time he could also openly acknowledge Dre’s shortcomings, which he has not. Getting touchy about community accountability is why cycles of abuse persist in our community. Nobody is playing God, we tryna sort shit out. and thats ok.

Lol....NOPE. Y'all don't get to decide which black people our culture needs to throw away...especially knowing how quick you throw us away but not your own people. Comments like these and this video tell me y'all don't really be listening to the lyrics of Kendrick. 1. He says these people are not our saviors. Don't hold anyone up on a special pedestal because of their celebrity. They are flawed human beings who sometimes do bad things....some REALLY bad things. 2. More importantly...as a Christian himself (I'm not religious) he actually believes in redemption and giving flawed human beings the space to redeem themselves. In your world...one wrong action should have these people thrown out of society for life and never to be associated with again. Your world has zero space for redemption. What is important to Kendrick is growth...not some perfect picture to pass spectator's purity test, but actual growth. When you did that bad thing...did you actually learn from it? Did you try and understand why it was bad? And once you grow and learn from past transgressions....do you now try and pay it forward? (different from paying back) 3. And the most important message and the literal damn theme of his last album was to talk about generational trauma and trying to get people to break that cycle. "All these women gave me super powers, what I thought I lacked I pray our children don't inherit me and feelings I attract A conversation not being addressed in black families The devastation haunting generations and humanity They raped our mothers, then they raped our sisters Then they made us watch, then made us rape each other Psychotic torture between our lives, we ain't recovered Still livin' as victims in the public eyes who pledge allegiance Every other brother has been compromised I know the secrets, every other rapper sexually abused I see 'em daily burying the pain in chains and tattoos So listen close before you start to pass judgement on how we move Learn how we cope, whenever his uncle had to walk him from school His anger grows deep in misogyny This is post-traumatic Black families and a sodomy, today is still active So I set free myself from all the guilt that I thought I made So I set free my mother all the hurt that she titled shame So I set free my cousin, chaotic for my mother's pain I hope Hykeem made you proud, 'cause you ain't die in vain So I set free the power of Whitney, may she heal us all So I set free our children, may good karma keep them with God So I set free the hearts filled with hatred, keep our bodies sacred As I set free all you abusers, this is transformation" This is a passage from 'Mother I Sober'...y'know the record Drake stupidly mistaken it as "the record you said you got molested". This post is already too long so I won't explain the whole song. But he EXPLAINS why Kodak was featured...which apparently you missed? He didn't just put Kodak and featured him on the album...because he was poppin and doing numbers or anything close to that superficial. Kodak was THE MESSAGE. A real-world example of what he is trying to convey in his songs. In order to heal, progress and break a vicious cycle...you must first understand where it comes from. So no we won't throw away Dre or Kodak or people raised inside our dark culture...we will try to redeem them and use them to teach lessons to others, so they don't go down the same dark path. Listen to the music.

What is you talking about? That shit happened 30-40 years ago. Why would anyone care about their past mistakes after that much time has passed?

@@ruffendtv1320 - Because some folks are decent people, grew from their past mistakes, and feel some regret for causing harm when they think about how they used to be.

@40Sec He already apologized about that. How long do one have to apologized?

@@ruffendtv1320 he didn’t apologize to the people he hurt. He apologized to a magazine without even contacting the women concerned and around the release of the movie. But it really isn’t on us to decide for others when they should or should not forgive him. That is up to individuals.

Having issue with Dr. Dre and glossing over the fact that known gangsters (some probably have bodies) were on stage during the performance is absolutely ridiculous.

Exactly if Drake apologized and went to therapy after meet the grahams this would have never happened

yes eternal shoutout to sabzi!

I honestly believe if the narrative around the beef didn’t include Kendrick as some sort of hero speaking truth to expose abusers of women then the Dre history would not have been brought up or worth mentioning. But specifically because of that context it IS relevant. Jay isn’t staining anything by stating a fact. That stain would be there whether or not he reminded people of it because there are plenty of people who remember. Also, no one is saying “guilty by association”. Critique and criticism is not equal to condemnation. He isn’t saying Kendrick is a bad person or that Kendrick endorses Dre’s behavior. He isn’t encouraging anyone to hate him. Nor that anyone is a bad person for liking Kendrick or even Dre. He simply said “problematic call that makes things less than perfect. But remember even Kendrick says he himself is a work in progress. And in the future maybe be better” He overall spent most of the video talking about how great Kendrick is and how great the concert was.

@@LC-sc3en Indeed, he spent most of the video speaking about how great the concert was. Perfection is illusion in any case. It's a human invention. Errbody is a work in progress. So, let's just have somebody pop up from your own history who you didn't wrong but knew about someone else you've wronged and call you out on it at an event that has less to do with you. It's specifically moving the spotlight away from where it should be.

No one has this energy when women are abusing men. As long as this guy keeps the same energy all across-the-board then it’s fine but he won’t because the minute he speaks against women and hold women accountable he will get canceled immediately and he doesn’t want that smoke so it’s all hypocrisy, and actually irrelevant because women can turn up and not be held accountable so logically we should be appreciative when a man releases an apology to the public and that’s a fact.

​@4theloveoffashion959 who are you talking about?

​@@4theloveoffashion959Boy hush.

It's a good question. I personally think that atonement starts with accountability and continues through action. He could, for example, find some battered women's shelters and help spread information about resources for women, and people in general, who are in abusive situations. It's just a thought, but that's something that could go a long way towards repairing his reputation.

Once you check snoop reaction to pop out show ....🔥

We didnt miss snoop Cube and Vince would have been dope though

Vince Staples? Definitely a hell no lol

Vince and Snoop are on tour.

@@The1987Kid why? Are you gay

This is actually true I saw Rakim do this early on, and he def got some criticism for it, but he stepped his game up since then

Not according to Michel'le and Dee Barnes. Just look at how he ducked and dodged his assault of Dee in the NWA movie and in the press when it was released. Nah. Even the ex-wife talked about his abusive nature in their divorce proceedings. Old age and that stroke is what made him sit down. Nothing else.

It wasn't 'indiscretion'. It was violence against women.

It has been addressed a lot since it happened 33 years ago. It just wasn’t in the movies

@@magoakshun Still doesn't change the fact that he beat Dee Barnes down and Mich'elle. You can 'address' it all you want, but it doesn't erase the fact.

By that account Puff apologized so should be good right?

like he said in the video, because a lot of Kendrick's disses were about how abusive and toxic towards women and girls Drake is. meanwhile, Dr Dre didn't just beat up Dee Barnes. Multiple women, including past partners and mothers of his children, have accused him of violence over the course of many years. even if Dre feels bad about what he's done in the past, that's a ton of abuse towards multiple women

Who cares what trash accomplishes? Quit worshipping fame, ya goons.

@@N_Garamond Chris Brown has allegedly abused multiple women, one of whom wasn’t alleged at all. Yet, many insist that he ought to be forgiven and we need to move on. Chris’s behavior didn’t stop Drake from making music with him post Rihanna’s beat down, nor did it stop Drake from using “CB” as a pawn in his song Family Matters to check Kendrick’s street cred. So, none of this really checks out. If we’re honest, at the very least we can accept that the genre is complicated and not for the faint hearted.

@@bronxkiesChris Brown should be a pariah as far as I am concerned. Though the video and I agree with you. Things are complicated.

@@LC-sc3en yeah, I more or less feel the same about Chris Brown as well. I think it comes down to him being attractive (that’s subjective. I, as a woman, don’t think he’s all that but I’m probably in the minority).

I mean technically yes, in the same way that Tupac was from NYC or Guru was from Boston :)

as for the Drake issue, he says in his previous video he hates Drake. so that outrage between the two of them isn't selective

Has gang violence stopped in LA ? 😅

Thank you. Your words were expressed intelligently. It's what I wanted to say, but it wouldn't have come out as eloquent.

@@theintrovertedsocialite2933 actually...lol... I just watched Trap Lore Ross' video on the incident and you know how that video of Puffy beating up Cassie Ventura last month had us all aghast? Yeah, so Dre did that and A LOT more, and had his bodyguard beat up anyone who wanted to come up to her rescue. Then, THEN proceeded on blackballing Dee Barnes for YEARS until she eventually became homeless. Dre needs to pay her royalties on them headphones cause she's due. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-nPplJ1FTTLc.html

Brown people related to Latino/Hispanic people. They were DEFINITELY a major part of HiP Hop. Are you saying Crazy Legs, Lady Pink, Lee Quiñones, and DJ Charlie Chase weren't essential to the culture? You can't talk about the Bronx without mentioning Brown people, excluding them is like PBJ sandwiches without bread Re Dee Barnes: Some people didn't watch the Super Bowl halftime because of Dre. Eninem is a bad example because folks did go "yikes" at the mention. Also people were singing along to him talking about unaliving the mother of his daughter. Folks were young and didn't know any better. Now that they're older and hopefully more aware, views changed. Yes we can still talk about Dre's contribution(s) and still call him out. Dee didn't deserve the assault because she didn't saying anything wrong. It was the producers of Pump It Up who decided to add Ice Cube saying something about NWA during their episode.

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@@ImprovSo crazy people still trying to insist there were zero Latins in the early days.

@@Improv Standing outside watching someone build the house and then after it's built you get invited in and decide to paint a wall...doesn't mean you built the house. What did they do that was essential to the EXISTENCE of Hip Hop? If those "essentials" do not show up, is Hip Hop not a thing? THE ELDERS ARE SAYING PRs, Jamaicans, or any other group DID NOT BUILD IT. People showed up later with renovations. Renovating is not creating. In regard to Dee Barnes...no one said she deserved anything. What I'm saying is, it's not Kendrick's responsibility to hold his mentor accountable for actions from Dr. Dre that occurred when he was a toddler. If the sentiment is to cancel Dr. Dre, those people that feel that way should be or should have BEEN up to that task. What we doing? Justice for Dee Barnes signs outside his house? A documentary? Oh...we going complain every time we see him and cry "that's not fair he get's to bring out Kendrick on the biggest night of his career". Cmon man. Stop. Boo boo for real or get off the pot.

@@ahk7137 " THE ELDERS ARE SAYING PRs, Jamaicans, or any other group DID NOT BUILD IT" They do know that Kool Herc is Jamaican, right? Actually WHO are these elders? Names? As Jay and OME said, if you're calling out Drake about being an abuser, THEN you bring out a KNOWN one, it's a weird flex

Free Whitney or nah ? 😂

I'm pretty sure his ex-wife cited abuse that happened to her by Dr. dre, even after he made that public apology. Also for some of these women, as Dr. dre continued to gain success and accolades. The abuse literally altered the trajectory of their careers. I can only imagine having to contend with that.

@@XxXUdiXxX as far as any other abuses on the table regarding Dre I can't speak on that because those allegations never made it to Civil courts. I'm sure some of them my have ended up with a settlement but without evidence or proof. Going by their words doesn't necessarily make it true.

This is such an important point.

Holy shit, Steeb, is that you?

beats by dr dre

no, that was an isolated evet that happened over 30 fucking years ago. These people are just whiney nitpicking self righteous dweebs who havent moved on. Dre is a different person from back then. Drake is still in minors dms.

Ms. Barnes wasn't the only woman abused by Dre.

He did indeed have a super anger management problem... those beats are too expensive, seems like abusing is an addiction. I'm not mocking. But, let's hope he leave dem in the past. 'Cause I'm tired playing with words.

@@2VYBZ Past tense? Thank you for the confirmation-for those of us on the other side of them hands and the mockery/word play-we see and hear all of you.

This is a bad example. The fact Rihanna is still alive doesn't mean we don't remember what he did. Fuck that guy.

Chris Brown has a history of domestic abuse and list of accusations & cases up to 2021 that could make people have a distaste for him. But I also recognize that Chris Brown was raised in a home with domestic abuse and that Chris Brown might be bipolar, had drug addiction, and have PTSD. Humans are complex and can have rehabilitation and redemption, it's just hard to overlook the lack of change even though I recognize that it's hard.

I think the criticism is justified though. Chris brown still makes a phenomenal living being an artist and performer. He wasn't canceled. He still releasing music and rich as fuck. He can deal with the dv label. Even if we take the perspective that that situation was chris brown at his absolute lowest, we should all be aware of what Chris brown is capable of at his lowest. Forgive but don't forget.

Did he, though? I never got the impression he wisened up at all following that incident. He released "Deuces" shortly after that which was a dick move in its own right, and he continued getting into the crosshair of numerous legal controversies from then on out. I really think it was more a phenomenon similar to Morgan Wallen after the N-word controversy which temporarily halted the promotion of radio singles of his and also got him blackballed from Nashville insiders..............but then country fans responding by purchasing his music more emphatically than ever in a sort of "rallying around the flag" moment decrying cancel culture and thus ultimately making Wallen even bigger than ever. I think Chris Brown enjoyed a similar sort of "rallying around the flag" moment after his incident that allowed him to bounce back commercially as he did without much room for self-reflection at all.

Nah it's not the same Chris Brown still beating women was trying beat Teyana Taylor not along but Dre situation was over 30 years ago they really reaching saying that's what dude represents he was in his 20s dude is almost 60 now and put that on Kendrick when that's who brought him to the rap game is unfair I'm sure those other artist he had on the show don't have.a squeaky clean past either

People DID bring it up during the Superbowl, and have brought it up many times before that. In fact it was only because so many people brought it up after the NWA biopic dropped without acknowledging it, that he finally spoke on it in even a semi-real way, decades after it happened. All that being said, it's especially relevant in this context for reasons that were already explained.

Y'all don't listen to Black women.

Because Dee Barnes wasn't the only one and as public as the abuse was, we have yet to see him atone for any of it.

​@@MamaMudiwaWhat should he do to atone for it? In your opinion.

@@NewGoldie publicly acknowledge the pain he's caused, attempt to make amends, pretty much the same thing we would expect anyone who has wronged numerous women to do. Outside of the statute of limitations, that is.

@@MamaMudiwa I recall him releasing an apology statement regarding his past violent incidents not too long ago. People weren't very receptive. Let's be honest it would only cause more of a frenzy.

​@@NewGoldienot only that people FORGET ABOUT NDAs.. That's why Drake don't speak about all his kids😐

No it's good to point out the faults in our heroes, it makes them human.

It would be cool if he address it, apologized and maybe supported some DV orgs. Of course he doesn’t have to but I think that would get people to stop bristling at the sight of him. acknowledgment goes a long way

​@@BlackNellahe has acknowledged it

​@BlackNella He apologized in 2015....and she accepted. As far as him donating money...I've never gotten why people are willing to give a pass to folks just because they throw money at a controversy. Its performative bullshit. He apologized to the people he harmed. He doesn't owe the rest of us anything.

@@Bradyboy26 awesome! I’m glad to hear that.

@@devildham well, performative or not, it still helps people who need it. The outcome remains the same. Wouldn’t the objective be to help women out of abusive situations?

Nobody? Not you, for sure, that’s clear.

@@paulrodriguez6895 first you don’t know me or my work so that’s that. Move along

​@@RNBsingersarehiphopheadstooSaying nobody cares would imply you don't care, unless you are calling yourself nobody. They said you don't care then you got all defensive about them stating a fact. Clown behavior. No one needs to know you to know you don't care. You said it yourself.

Who killed Snoop? Who killed Dre? Who killed J Prince and all them Houston cats? When did Baby and them die? You goofy dummy.

With that thinking - which one of the mob ties, gang members, or hells angels that Drake hangs around is going to kill him? 🙄

@@_NoHandle_ I'm not a Drake fan so I wouldn't know but I never really see him around them anyway he's not really with them like that Nipsey and Kendrick are different

But his victims don’t seem to have forgiven him

@@ladydontekno that’s okay. It was stated to address the “issue” that Dr Dre being a part of the pop out show was hypocritical. Everyone doesn’t have to be liked or forgiven. But individuals with the platform to support those who’ve done wrong, have a right to do so without being called hypocrites because they choose to hold others accountable for wrongs, who have not been accountable. Forgiveness from the victim is that person’s journey and it’s between them and God. It should not hinder the guilty party from finding redemption from within, God, or those who support them.

Some victim's never forgive. Doesn't change the fact of God's view of forgiveness. An people being sorry an apologizing still can change for the better regardless ​@@ladydontekno

Dre redeemed himself for his multiple actions of violence against women… how?

@@paulrodriguez6895 That’s not my place to say. But since we are in 2024, and his past actions are well known, yet his career is still relevant. I would say it’s possible he changed his behavior and made amends with a higher power. But since the industry is known for covering up and pushing for those who they want, then if Dr Dre has not truly changed his life in his spirit, then he will pay for those actions at some point. And maybe he has, when he almost died. But right now, it just doesn’t seem hypocritical for Dre to be at the Pop out because he addressed the abuse after the movie Straight Outta Compton came out. No one has to listen to Dr Dre or listen to anyone associated with him if they feel he has not redeemed himself and has not been held accountable. The comment was just my opinion on the idea that Kendrick is being hypocritical, which I, me, do not believe to be the case. I just don’t believe that every person’s judgement is displayed for us to see.

Wait, help me out - how has he paid for it? I'm out of the loop on any apology, atonement, or civil settlement that was made. Sincerely asking btw!

@@iamuhura "Dre, who pleaded no contest to the assault. He was fined $2,500, placed on two years' probation, and ordered to perform 240 hours of community service and produce an anti-violence public service announcement. The lawsuit was settled out of court. Some others condemned the incident." She also sued him for $22 Mill that was settled out of court. I don't condone what he did, all I'm sayin is when do you forgive someone? I also feel like people are bringing it up to sensationalize the issue and bring them views. Click bait. It's hypocritical don't you think. They've been playing all of his music and artists w/o protest. As soon as K Dot does something to unify folks, they mar it with this old news that was already been dealt with 3 decades ago.

@@iamuhura He went to jail and was convicted for a felony.

Did he? Dee Barnes still seems upset to this day.

@@ladydontekno who knows if she accepts it. He was a teen or early twenties back then

@@yusufdelrio2728Dre was 26 when he beat Dee Barnes.

To be clear, Dre beat *multiple* women.

@@paulrodriguez6895I didn’t know that…but the Dee Barnes situation is what’s been publicized (and referenced in this video). But regardless my point is using this “cancel” logic where do you draw the line? Dealing drugs, murder, gang banging, etc is ok? Just seems hypocritical imo. Because a lot of public people in many industries have done evil things but somehow some don’t get the same treatment. So again where is the line?

@@paulrodriguez6895 Feel free to point to all the numerous White, Latino, Asian, Middle Eastern, and Native American men, celebrity or not, who are guilty of the same thing. We can't just make Black Men the boogie man, here and make us the face of crime and misconduct. We ain't hardly the ones who should be Me, Too'ed here. #HighLynching #BirthOfANation

@@stingyblue8189 exactly!

This comment sounds about hotep

@@2120musiclover Then, I'm a hotep and you're a handkerchief head.

As I understand, he did not pay her enough damages. Her whole career was ruined. She had a Go Fund Me for her rent a few years ago

@@erinnanova How do you know what’s enough? He paid what the court ordered him to and what they both agreed to. That’s enough. She’s had over 33 years to remake her life. He doesn’t her anything else.

@@stingyblue8189 i have no idea what the court ordered. I know that her peace of mind is priceless.

“Guest in the culture…” You’re the guest. Jay has been in it for DECADES.

@@paulrodriguez6895 i’m not a guest, I was born in it. He could be in it 50 years, still a guest but you wouldn’t understand that Paul.

@@MMAOdinyou clearly were born yesterday. You are the one who does not get a say and are the guest here in more ways than one. Also note whether any man accepts that apology on behalf of women in hiphop is also an over step. Know YOUR place but more know when not to speak.

@@frescante being a guest isnt a matter of personal opinion. Be mad all y’all want, I frankly dont care. I said what I said. Have a nice day ✌🏾

@@MMAOdin it isn’t. You don’t have to be here. No one is forcing you.