The History of Isengard (Orthanc) | Tolkien Explained

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While it would come to be synonymous with Saruman, the fortress of Isengard and its tower of Orthanc would first be built and used by the early Gondorians. These exiles of Numenor would create the tower of Orthanc to protect the northern border of their realm, before it would later fall into evil hands.
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@melkhiordarkfell4354 Год назад

Gondorian builder: Are we sure we want it so spiky, black and evil looking? Just seems we are setting it up to be the lair of an evil wizard or something.

@NerdoftheRings Год назад

🤣

@BradsGonnaPlay Год назад

I guess this was the Gondorian equivalent of the Victorian era. Those houses all look like they’re owned by witches and serial killers who dress way too nice.

@Enerdhil Год назад

It does seem like an Amazon bastardization of the lore, even though it is the actual lore.

@angelocoppersmith6656 Год назад

😆 Are you sure we're not the baddies???

@mbryson2899 Год назад

@@angelocoppersmith6656 That was my first thought!

@midimusicforever Год назад

It's interesting how so many fortifications built by Gondor at the height of their might were turned against them in their time of weakness.

@RealCadde Год назад

As is the case with any heavily fortified nation. Keeping them manned and in working order in peace time is a massive drain on economy. And so they tend to be mothballed, as destroying them would also be costly and who knows... They might come in handy? But in times of conflict, their value is undeniable. Then the price of keeping them operating is a small one compared to the many losses that would be had without them. It's just a matter of manning them BEFORE you are in a state of conflict if you've neglected them in peace time.

@midimusicforever Год назад

@@RealCadde Exactly. That rings familiar somehow.

@marc-antoinecusson3119 Год назад

Roman empire

@cameronroberts5461 Год назад

I think this is a direct reflection of their hubris. Tolkien wanted to illustrate how the great accomplishments of a nation could be turned against it. Especially considering the world wars.

@cclcanadiancountrylife3628 Год назад

The Tower of Cirith Ungol is such a cool gondorian fortress. It’s wicked, again used against Gondor

@benjaminjeffery6873 Год назад

As child, watching the fellowship of the ring in theatres, my jaw dropped when Orthanc came on screen, the magisterial cinematography paired with the triumphant score and Christopher Lee’s booming voice; eyes instantly drawn to the looming; eire black intricate structure. It felt so real. The teaser poster for The Two Towers with Orthanc is ingrained as one of my “being super excited” childhood memories.

@aesir1ases64 Год назад

i do envy those who were able to see in theaters, if I was born a couple of years before I prob could have convinced my parents to take me to the movies lol, and yes all the trailers, posters and all marketing and promotion material was masterfully done by the team in charge of it.

@simonmorris4226 Год назад

@@aesir1ases64 I’ve read the books at least once a year since I was 8 years old. And I’m 60 now! Who but Christopher Lee could ever play Saruman!

@brobama853 Год назад

@@simonmorris4226 I definitely agree with you, no one else fitted the role of Saruman than Christopher lee, if they were to remake it today, they would have to cgi Christopher, Rest In Peace legend

@brobama853 Год назад

@@aesir1ases64 same, as much as I envy them, I am happy that I could last year watch all the extended editions

@brucemanly Год назад

@@aesir1ases64 I saw it in theatres but wasn't that into it. I got into fantasy later and I love it how. You're not always ready to enjoy something at all stages of your life

@yatothinks4506 Год назад

Isengard is a very unique place. Tolkien gave the place a deep history. It was occupied by many beings, good or bad. It's just cool to know how much Isengard had been through in through out the history of Middle Earth. Another amazing video!

@anotherhuman8173 Год назад

I love how the Appendices go into the history of some of these lands and locations. Like in the real world, any given land has seen countless people and populations come and go over the centuries. Tolkien gives so much information, and yet so little, always hinting at much more that is unknown. It all gives a real depth of reality to Middle-earth.

@aesir1ases64 Год назад

Well said!

@FreightmareFTW Год назад

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@zasmanreviews497 Год назад

@@FreightmareFTW forcing religion on people is not the way to go man. People can believe what they believe.

@FreightmareFTW Год назад

@@zasmanreviews497 I'm more so trying to call back unrepentant believers and educate them on the book of Revelation as most churches are teaching that it will all unfold in a 7 year time span

@aesir1ases64 Год назад

Orthanc might be one of the most iconic and amazing architectures ever created in fantasy, even people that have never seen or read TLOTR have a clue about it.

@benlewis5312 Год назад

I'd imagine Barad-dûr is far more recognizable with its giant eye. Which is pretty hilarious considering the eye only exists in the Jackson films

@rogeebear10023 Год назад

"it just so happens that at this time, the wizard, Saruman, returns from his travels in the East" but, a wizard is never late, nor is he early. He arrives precisely when he means to. He was always the opportunist..

@orohyuno Год назад

Not only this channel is as good as reading the Silmarillion itself, but the subtitles for the videos are so well-written I can auto-translate then to portuguese with almost zero errors to show to my gf who doesn't speak english. Awesome!

@Thormil576 Год назад

Fun fact, the Washington monument obelisk is roughly the same height as Orthanc

@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Год назад

But nowhere near as impressive or aesthetically pleasing

@hebl47 Год назад

For some reason this makes Orthanc suddenly feel far less impressive.

@Thormil576 Год назад

@@hebl47 haha stone towers can only be so tall. And actually Orthanc is a bit shorter

@brobama853 Год назад

@@grandadmiralzaarin4962 I agree

@brobama853 Год назад

@@Thormil576 oh well, the building is still majestic

@aryah66 Год назад

I've always wanted more Orthanc details, especially theories on the black rock which no one was able to chip or destroy.

@shinestar2912 Год назад

Grima damaged it when he threw down the palantir it was thought indestructible until then.

@hedonisticpunkvatos Год назад

It could be the same round rock Isildur had put in the Hill of Erech where he 1st landed from Numenor and where Aragorn recruited the Dead Men.

@hedonisticpunkvatos Год назад

@@shinestar2912 It was made in Arda by Feanor.

@MrE517 Год назад

I was reading some lore just now. When I'm feeling particularly engrossed, often I simulate a narrator in my head while reading passages--most often I simulate the character who is speaking in the passage. At times of neutral narration, I sometimes hear Ian McKellen's Gandalf or Cate Blanchett's Galadriel. Today I found myself using your voice! Thank you for your work. Your videos have clearly left a great impression on my thoughts and imagination.

@luudest Год назад

11:09 This is interesting, I did not know that Saruman (his Orcs) found the Elendilmer at the Gladden Fields. So he had the right sense for where to look for the One Ring …

@thranduiloropherion7256 Год назад

Tolkien talks about it in the unfinished tales.

@robertcameron-ellis6518 Год назад

Thank you for these encyclopedic glimpses into Tolkien’s genius. They draw the same colour gems from the horde, and show the pattern to his writings.

@chavsny1578 Год назад

I would love to see more of inside Orthanc. So ancient with so many secrets, would be an amazing sight to be inside.

@FreightmareFTW Год назад

@Silphwave Год назад

@@FreightmareFTW Poor guy just wanted to know what the interior of Orthanc tower looked like 😓

@BasePuma4007 Год назад

@@FreightmareFTW What was your thought process with peddling all that in response to this comment? Are you aware of what comment you're replying to? Or the video you're watching for that matter? 😂

@J0HNJ0RDAN 6 месяцев назад

Where's the bathroom?

@SvengelskaBlondie 4 месяца назад

@@BasePuma4007 I doubt they where aware, they just wanted to spam it all over the place like dog's diarrhoea

@owenbergeron4212 Год назад

Oh this is a fantastic video! I love when you go over the history of a location

@jarrodthekidder1 Год назад

As always, an incredible video. I love your content SOOO much. I always look forward to new posts!

@valentinkambushev4968 Год назад

Isengard under Saruman's control reminds me a lot of Minas tirith (the first age one) during Sauron's. Both located between two mountains and used by an fallen maiar to breed new evil creatures.

@Enerdhil Год назад

I think you mean Minas Ithil/Morgul. That is a great point. Strategic locations that can act as a gate into Eriador or Mordor.

@valentinkambushev4968 Год назад

@@Enerdhil No I meant Tol Sirion. The other name it was known by was Minas Tirith.

@Enerdhil Год назад

@@valentinkambushev4968 I should have noticed "(the first age)" but I didn't for some reason. My bad. I think there were some difference, though. Sauron flaunted his Gauhoth, while Saruman kept his Uruk-hai secret until he unleashed them. Sauron drive Orodreth out of the tower to take it, while Saruman was handed the keys from the King of Gondor. There is no doubt about both places being strategically located.

@TheCody217 8 месяцев назад

Such a beautiful watch!! Especially considering all it was put through, to turn out so well, without needing heavy replacement.. Man. Love the video!

@deborahagbedjro431 Год назад

Nerd of the rings, I would really like that you make a video dedicated to the mysterious watchers that Sam and Frodo meet by the gates of Cirith Ungol, concerning what kind of devilry of Sauron they are; thanks for the Tolkien content by the way, you own what I deem the best Tolkien mythology RU-vid channel.

@MrLemon-fe3qc Год назад

I haven’t watched your Chanel for very long but I can honestly say it’s one of my favourites, keep up the great work 👍

@untruelie2640 Год назад

Karen Wynn Fonstad put forward a theory in her "Atlas of Middle Earth", that Isengard is actually the remnant of an old vulcano. That would explain the circular shape and the structure of the fortress. The outer wall (which looks a bit different in the book) would be the last remnant of the crater wall and the Orthanc tower would be a pillar of cold magma that had remained in its place even after the rest of the vulcano had eroded away. Magmatic stone, especially obsidian or (black) basalt is very hard and durable, and we can see these central pillars of old vulcanos in our world. So the Númenorians probably didn't build Angrenost/Isengard in a traditional sense, but chiseled it out of the rocks formations that were already there. This would explain why the Ents were able to break through the outer walls but couldn't damage the Orthanc and why the walls of Minas Tirith (probably made from similar stone that was brought there) were more or less impregnable. It also shows the immense craftsmanship and knowledge of the Númenorians.

@NagySzentAntal Год назад

Beautiful theory, thanks for sharing it! I need to buy that book

@untruelie2640 Год назад

@@NagySzentAntal You're welcome. :) It's a great book. The best cartographical work on Tolkien's world in my opinion. I learned much from it and it's particularly helpful for understanding the Silmarillion.

@hendb8248 Год назад

You can find an elaborate description in "Isengard and Northern Gondor" from Iron Crown Enterprises. Its an old MERS module. Nerd of the Rings, while being very good video makers, seems to lack a bit in the reading department. Starting the video under the premisse that Orthanc was build by Gondor is misleading.

@untruelie2640 Год назад

@@hendb8248 I don't think that he "lacks in the reading department". He focuses on original Tolkien writings, but so do I and many other people. What is wrong with that statement? Of course the tower was "build" by the Númenorians, as they gave it its final shape and structure.

@VoiceoftheRings Год назад

That was so Cool! I learned a lot! Love how you Tie everything together so Precise.

@brucemcbain3150 Год назад

Phew! I learned a lot! You presented the history of Isengard in a clear, cohesive style that we the uninitiated, could follow. Thank you !

@thegungadfly8930 11 месяцев назад

Well done. The search and finding of heirlooms in Orthanc is a nice addition to the story.

@austinhall6257 Год назад

Great stuff! I love all the alternative artwork different from the movies.

@SnakeAndTurtleQigong Год назад

Thank you so much for these! It’s been neat to watch your subscribers skyrocket from hundreds, to hundreds of thousands!

@jayl9176 Год назад

What I absolutely love about what Peter Jackson brought to this glorious tale was his use of bigatures and that so many of these locations were practically built (just not to scale). And no one but Sir Christopher Lee could house orthanc with such authority.

@rafaehsan4658 Год назад

Amazing Vid matt :D ngl at first time seeing Isengard, I was thinking this is a Fortress of Sauron, not just because of Jackson Adaptation, but the description of it really giving me a very Sauron vibe and after hearing the lore behind it, it really shock me that Isengard was one of Gondorians Structure lol.

@KamalAdnanTheFirst Год назад

SAME!! The shape of the structure just fits perfectly with Sauron's image that I was equally shocked it was originally built by Gondorians. Then again, Minas Ithil turned into Minas Morgul and I wonder now which structure in that city was original, and which are just additions made by the Witch-King.

@valentinkambushev4968 Год назад

My reaction when I first heard Saruman's name was "Hey, why is his name so similar to Sauron? He is evil, isn't he."

@KamalAdnanTheFirst Год назад

@@valentinkambushev4968 That was my very first reaction as well. Even as a kid I was getting weird vibes from Saruman when he first showed up, despite the fact that he was clearly acting friendly towards Gandalf. But then the scene turned to inside the tower, and I started to think "Uh, I don't think he's a good guy." And keep in mind, this was as the camera was approaching Saruman and the way it kept zooming in his face. Brilliant camera work and storytelling honestly.

@Enerdhil Год назад

I agree. It does seem like Sauron's kind of structure, but Black Numenorians did not build it.

@jalalchahine1886 Год назад

I don't know man, every time I watch one of your videos or read the books or watch the movies I feel this warmth inside, you know?

@steelblade1984 Год назад

Hey Matt, love the videos. Keep up the good work.

@jaysgamingcorner8539 Год назад

Another great video. Isengard is an awesome structure and looks fantastic onscreen.

@thelostrealm8079 Год назад

Great video I always wanted to know about the tower of orthanc

@1rishpotat0 25 дней назад

Love listening to these awesome, thorough videos while I'm doing the dishes. Hannon le!

@Flow8880 Год назад

Hi! Absolutely love the channel and what you're doing here. I have watched other lore videos from several different channels and none of them delve into the lore, or "cite" their reasons for stating their facts. So thank you so much for all the research, and videos!! I have looked around and found some answers, but I wouldn't mind seeing a video describing how, or why Gandalf fears the witch king, how sarumon the white defeated him. Thanks!!

@curnelmillette9620 Год назад

I love your storytelling of the history!

@qbeh9147 Год назад

Really interesting video! Always Love your content! :)

@thebrotherskrynn Год назад

Now that I've finished editing the audio for my newest video and essay, it is now time to reward myself and there's only one proper way to do so; with NERD OF THE RINGS! Sorry, haven't listened to your stuff lately (or commented), but you're my reward when work gets done Nerd. Love your channel, have a lot of admiration for you and your knowledge of Tolkien my friend. Hope all is well with you X)

@annaroselarsen4218 Год назад

Saturday is my favorite day because at 12 I kown an awesome video comes out to make the day better!

@kenneths4156 Год назад

I’m gonna tell my kids this was the rings of power

@levi6859 Год назад

Always love listening to and watching your contact

@eugenepecorella2040 Год назад

This whole channel is life rn 🙌

@kevinmoore4845 Год назад

Excellent as always.

@OddJames Год назад

Thank you for all the amazing content I hope you have a good weekend

@twitchEmailOkay Год назад

Man I don’t know how you keep coming up with topics but you go bro

@hrodvitnir6725 Год назад

Man I love your videos, been watching them like crazy!

@valentinkambushev4968 Год назад

THEY ARE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO DOL GULDUR! wait, I think I made a mistake somewhere......

@Enerdhil Год назад

Actually they made the mistake, not you.🤪

@evansutton6760 Год назад

Tell me where is Saruman? For I much desire to speak with him

@Russian__hammer Год назад

the music in the background went awesome with the video.

@Miwac94 Год назад

Amazing work!

@fn7xg707 Год назад

Just finished watching story of melkor, Right on time 💯 u make great vids

@NerdoftheRings Год назад

Thanks so much!

@user-sd7ri9fy4i 3 месяца назад

Nice work dude thanks

@midnitemike Год назад

Excellent video!

@AndrewCarlisle11B Год назад

Really enjoyed this one as growing up I was always curious about how drastically Isengard changed after Saruman's betrayal, so seeing the full story was awesome. Keep up the great work!

@xBananowyJEx Год назад

I love the part when they TAKE THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD

@toncek9981 Год назад

It's kinda curious how most of the story takes place in a very brief period of time. Like, majority of things happens in just a month between the breaking of the fellowship (February 26) till the Sauron's fall (March 25). The whole Rohan vs Isengard war was done in a week or so...

@MR_Yousif Год назад

Awesome video... can you please talk about the afterlife of the peoples of middle earth? (Especially men and their "gift")

@obiwancoolidge1828 Год назад

My dnd party, doing a LOTR themed campaign, hung out in Isengard for a bit and we chilled with Tree Beard.

@NerdoftheRings Год назад

Time well spent! 🌳

@sebastianmatt7707 Год назад

Great story as always

@LaTengoComoelZague Год назад

Yo love your channel. I was wondering if maybe you could make a series of all the dagur battles, a video for each one. That would be awesome

@jneumy566 Год назад

It's kind of fun to imagine an Imperial Star Destroyer sitting inside the circle of Isengard, since they're also a mile long from end to end

@martinpain7332 Год назад

Video suggestion: a video on all towers mentioned in the book “The Two Towers” - which two it’s named after, and which others are involved?

@anonymousforagoodreason2479 Год назад

Your videos are visual heroin to me. I NEED MORE! Love what you do man.

@hansendavis3742 Год назад

Amazing video. Could you please cover the history of the Dwarven cities of the Iron hills. I don't believe that its covered very much.

@lalacrypto1 Год назад

Top notch! Thank you!

@kirandeepchakraborty7921 Год назад

The Architecture of The TOWER of Orthanc is Marvellous

@ggalloway1 Год назад

I think the fortress is called the Hornburg, while the immediate area is called Helm's Deep.

@Volfyrion Год назад

And another great video

@matthewmastro7080 Год назад

And Debbie! My favorite part of all of your videos!😂

@randomthings1293 Год назад

All I know is that they're taking the Hobbits there.

@dominic7868 Год назад

Dude, you really need a side hustle doing audio books. You honestly not only have the perfect voice but you also have fantastic delivery. The Fall of Númenor would be a great jumping off point!

@yardarm5 Год назад

Wow . The return of the palinter, secret gimli resolve and further kingship. Holy numennor 😮

@TGREAT1 Год назад

3:35 being secret away from threat that's what reveals your best

@isilion Год назад

I would love to dwelt there, I love towers and Orthanc seems so beautiful in my mind: a great tower of gleaming black adamant

@EWLR89 Год назад

Out of all your patrion supporters, Debbie is my favorite. I always get a little chuckle that after all the big names you say "....and Debbie"

@grandadmiralzaarin4962 Год назад

Always did find it odd that the outer wall of Minas Tirith and the Tower of Orthanc were indestructible in strength yet the Numenoreans/Gondorians never made more of their fortresses out if the material.

@bobo577 Год назад

It’s likely the material might have been rare or I assume it was costly to mine it. That’s probably why Minas Tirith isn’t made of the stuff, it makes Isengard incredibly small.

@alectuck7112 Год назад

Looks great

@tonypapas9854 Год назад

Interesting that Orthanc was even stronger than the gates and walls of Minas Tirith. Excellent video.

@paolomauri9566 Год назад

The first wall of Minas Tirith was made with the same type of rock.

@michealdargue2985 Год назад

A very good video. Love all of your work. I do have a question. Do you think you should make your own top ten favorite videos that you made? My favorite favorite video you made was of the first age. Loved the info you put in that one. First age is my favorite age of them all by Tolkien works. Cheers. From your friendly follower. From Canada 🇨🇦. Cheers.

@thelostrealm8079 Год назад

Could you do a video on the history of Dale?

@FreightmareFTW Год назад

@F.S92 Год назад

I just wanted to say that I love your content! No one has sparked my interest in LOTR like you. Excellent presentation, narration and content all around. Can’t wait for more “what if” videos. :) P.S- also just realised that I have been watching your videos for months. But did not subscribe. Lets fix that immediately!

@teleportedbreadfor3days 4 месяца назад

It’s funny to think the Saruman installed a buzzer at Isengard’s gate. The Witch King pressing a button to talk into it and ask about the One Ring, and you hear Saruman’s voice coming from the speaker.

@Jopeymessmusic Год назад

I love that it's been decades since he wrote about Orthanc and described it, yet we still don't know where it's from or what the smooth black stone is. It's more likely we've never know, which is pretty incredible when you think about it.

@boat1280 Год назад

All the ambiguity Tolkien left in his world is part of what makes it so intriguing for sure. I remember finding out for the first time that even the books themselves are in-universe writings of the characters and it tripped me out lol

@SpaceMonkeyBoi Год назад

"Saruman, your staff is broken!" "That's not what your mother said last night!"

@shinestar2912 Год назад

I never understood the black stone that the Numenorians could make large round stones and an impenetrable tower out of. Was it carved from stone in a quarry or something like concrete and molded? Wonder if the Black arrow that killed Smaug was made of this stone? If you could make an entire tower why not make weapons out of it?

@hansendavis3742 Год назад

It's possible that this is the same stone/metal that the dark elf made his swords from.

@Omnilatent Год назад

@@hansendavis3742 Impossible, Eöl forged Anguirel and Anglachel from meteorite. Imagine how many meteorites would have been needed for a huge tower and city walls haha

@hansendavis3742 Год назад

@@Omnilatent it is possible that meteorite was some sort of gift from the valar and if orthanc built by the faithful of numenor it might not be the farthest of stretches. This is only a theory though.

@Omnilatent Год назад

@@hansendavis3742 It's an interesting thought but I think it's highly unlikely. Numenor itself was already a gift by the Valar. Why would they gift anything else - and in Middle-earth instead of Numenor then? My best guess is it's regular stone but the Numenorians had a specific technique to turn any stone into this. It's still weird considering that knowledge this valuable would get lost, though.

@hansendavis3742 Год назад

@@Omnilatent I can agree with your reasoning, I just hoped that there would be a more elaborate solution then, ancient peoples and lost technique. Still this has been an excellent debate my good sir.

@hugowikstr Год назад

Can u make a video explaining Eru Iluvatar? (Great video btw)

@steinfinnone1590 Год назад

I love your video. Great content. I do have one question. You state that Orthanc was built by the early Gondorians in the late second age. However, I am sure (and no I can't find the specific quote now) that one in of his writings on the history of Numenor that Tolkien stated that the tower was built as a watchtower for the pass by the Numenoreans during the height of their empire and that only the wall around the tower was built by the Gondorians. I have looked on the web and see many websites stating that it was built by the Gondorians but others say it was built much earlier by the Numenoreans. I am wondering if this is a point in the lore that has been changed by some of the later books by Christopher Tolkien? I have noticed one or two small details of the lore have been changed between the publishing of the Silmarillion and the publishing of the History of the Lord of the Rings. Thanks

@Platypusano Год назад

great video, as always! There seems to be a missing character in your used font for the date in the upper right corner at around 7:22.

@sauron3488 Год назад

Orthanc was built by the Numenoreans sometime within the first century after Numenor was destroyed.

@jockyoung4491 Год назад

But that's who the Gondorians were. They weren't Numenoreans any more. They were immigrants

@evanairnomad4361 Год назад

I thought the 1st Battle of the Fords of Isen resulted in the Rohirrim winning as Elfhelm came to aid Grimbold and Théodred before he died???

@genghisgalahad8465 Год назад

I appreciate the victorious music as background for the building of the titled ominous tower. That would be the only explanation for how (see comment below) it was built without raising any eyebrows as to its presence!

@luudest Год назад

9:06 is it known how Saruman lured the Dunledings to join his cause? Did he visit them and spoke to their Chieftains?

@thalleous7636 Год назад

Thanks for the awesome video. Orthanc is one of my favorite places in middle earth. How do you get all your information on places or characters?

@thalleous7636 Год назад

What giveaway?

@nerdwatch1017 Год назад

Regarding helms deep!! I wanted to know!!? Why when building it? Why was it they didn’t build high up along the mountain down the path to the structure. Places for archers to attack from both sides!! Also they could have had a shoot that large boulders would roll down to crush enemy fighters!!!

@danepatterson8107 Год назад

Was the Palantir stone in Orthanc known to the Kings/Stewards of Gondor? In the LOTR, it appears as if no one expected that Saruman had a stone: surely this cannot be true? I would LOVE to have an episode about Amon Hen and such constructions of the Gondorians/Arnorians!

@sweeperboy Год назад

I think Gondor had diminished a lot by this point, and much knowledge had been lost. It wasn't even widely known that Denethor had a palantir, although people speculated that light seem coming from his chamber was him in some way striving mentally with Sauron. Prior to Denethor, the palantiri might even have been forgotten about.

@enjolraslechimiste Год назад

I have a confusion: we know, explicitly, that Sauron corrupted the mind of Saruman? I thought there was always some ambiguity in such a claim, since Saruman wanted the ring anyway, and Saruman is pretending to go along with Sauron anyway? Can we differentiate between Saruman's latent corruption vs. Sauron corrupting him?

@ponder421 Год назад

According to the Appendices, Saruman became "ensnared by Sauron" when he used the Palantir in 3000 T.A. But Saruman was already starting to turn about 150 years earlier, when he denied Gandalf's request to attack Dol Guldur because Saruman was secretly searching for the One Ring. It seems to me that using the Palantir was his final push towards evil.

@enjolraslechimiste Год назад

@@ponder421 Thank you SO much for this! People who cite sources = awesome

@enjolraslechimiste Год назад

@@ponder421 If I may ask: is it plausible to say Saruman was, about the time of the Dol Guldur offensive, not yet evil? But actually trying to find the ring "preventatively?" I'm always curious at what point we can say Saruman was definitely evil.

@ponder421 Год назад

@@enjolraslechimiste Hi! Also from the Appendices - In 2939 "Saruman discovers that Sauron's servants are searching the Anduin [...] says nothing to the Council." Two years later "Saruman agrees to attack Dol Guldur, since he now wishes to prevent Sauron from searching the River." So Saruman knew Sauron was looking for the Ring, didn't tell the White Council, and only wanted to prevent Sauron from getting it first. That makes his selfish motivations clear. There are a couple videos here on RU-vid that go into greater detail on when Saruman became evil. He did a lot of shady stuff over the years, so it can be left to some interpretation.

@MrAwesomeGuitarMan Год назад

7:07 oh man look at him pondering that orb

@rataretrodos Год назад

Hi to everyone in the community. I wanted to request a video explaining the death of Isildur, the Elendilmir, the disappearance of Issuldur's body and the loosing of the One Ring. Would it be possible? I really enjoy watching these videos as I read. Also a great visual would be when Isildur puts on the One but the Elendilmir shines bright red as a star while Isiuldur covers it with his hood to the dissapear into the night...

@TwentyItaliansLS Год назад

"THEY'RE TAKING THE HOBBITS TO ISENGARD!" (repeat 35 times) Man, I miss early aughts memes.

@ThorStone214 Год назад

I am so confused with the invisibility of the one ring, please make a video on that

@biniget3734 Год назад

Hello from Gondor, Ethiopia 🇪🇹

@rangerofthenorth1970 Год назад

Once again great video! These are my favorites on this channel, dont get me wrong I love every single video, I really do, but Histories of Cities, Places, Locations, Realms....these I love the most, and I'm hoping soon we will see history of Erebor, Fornost and many other places of Arda! And Nerd pls a small q, the dwaf with crown in the Rings of Power teaser saying "Their time has come" could that be Durin III? I mean if we already have Durin IV, they are changing the lore here, riight?

@NerdoftheRings Год назад

Oh yeah, that’s totally Durin III. Simultaneous Durin’s is one of my biggest peeves about the show. I’m willing to be proven wrong, but I just doubt I’m going to be satisfied with whatever they’re doing with them. It’s a specific point tied to my broader concern about all the time compression they’re doing, which remains my #1 concern.

@Enerdhil Год назад

@@NerdoftheRings Yes, Matt, your beloved Dwarves are victims of the Timeline compression.😞