The History of Tyreen & Troy Calypso (The Calypso Twins) - Borderlands 

I wish they tied into the "cult leader" aspect of these two and not the "streamer" aspect

Could’ve had way more potential if Troy betrayed Tyreen, killed her, and revealed that he was a Seraph, not a siren, would’ve done so much for the lore

Legit did not realize how smart Troy is.

The Twins definitely had potential. It would've been interesting to see Troy betray his sister since he is a ''parasite'' that lives in her shadow. The name ''Troy'' reminds me of the ''Trojan Horse'' which symbolizes deceit. Also the existence of Handsome Jack as a villain in Borderlands 2 set the standard for a villain so high that it's probably impossible to make a better one than him. Lastly, Maya's death should have been different. To keep it simple, she deserved better.

This video made me feel pity for Troy, but not so much Tyreen. Troy was a good guy at the bottom, he was just much too influenced by Tyreen and their past.

The one thing I wish they would’ve done, and would’ve made them more rounded as characters, was that when Troy died, Tyreen break character and show the slightest bit of mournful resentment towards the Player. Kind of like how Handsome Jack reacted when Angel died. Yeah sure, they didn’t want to just rehash HJ, but that kind of character shift makes for more organic story telling. Instead, Tyreen was like “LOL Kay that happened. God queen time! 🤪”

Wait, a video about the calypso twins that isn't hate? Well now I've seen everything.

Y'know, in a way Tyreen was the real parasite, leeching off of her brother's naivete, intelligence & charisma, none of it was founded on her own skill, simply stolen from her better, goddamn it is depressing how much Troy was underutilized & overshadowed.

Troy is pretty much the whole reason tyreen got so close to her dream he always supported her no matter what. He made her famous got her there bandit army and fixed the spaceship to get them of there fathers planet. Sure with our tyreen troy would die but with out troy tyreen is nothing

“Lie to them that’s what leaders do” man got a point

Lilith could have teleported away with the vault map, i hate when hero characters dont use their powers but the villains do. I understand it's to show off the threat from the villains but man, I have to suspend my disbelief so much

The story was going in a direction that made it seem like there was going to be a split between Troy and Tyrene, I wish that he would have betrayed her and became the big bad

When you are telling the story It does not sounds that bad. I guess the problem in the game is with the presentation

Ya know. I feel bad for Troy. He basically got corrupted by Tyreen. Hell, she calls him a parasite right infront of him and he doesn't even react. Poor guy...

Troy had loads of potential for being the main antagonist, would’ve been an awesome set up to watch him realise he’s actually more powerful than tyreen after leeching maya

Why is everything outside of the main missions so much better? Sure I enjoyed the story, certain parts being much better than others, but troy and Tyreen were so lackluster until my second playthrough where I found more backstory and lore. The echo logs actually make them seem like pretty cool villains but in the main story we never see their growth as villains and they're just static characters (minus troys cool development that just got canned in the end for some stupid reason)

If the Calpso Twins had the same feeling they had in that first cutscene, they might've been great villains.

The Calypso Twins *breathe* The entire Borderlands fandom: *CRINGE!!!!*

the concept and themes in the story are actually quite good, the whole delivery and the directions gearbox take the later in the story you get are questionable and a lot of them don't make much sense. Thank god bl3's gameplay is by far the most fun in the series, otherwise this game would have flopped hard considering other factors outside of the game like gearbox's branding decisions and Randy's general dickishness

Troy would've been better as a usurper in-waiting (especially around Eden-6 up to the Great Vault). He'd point out much of Tyreen's flaws and delusions at the point before the Vault, and when defeated, he'd still be alive long enough to try and beg Tyreen for more life, only to be leeched instead. I think the real turning point/spoiler was really revealed in the echolog of Troy and Aurelia; how Aurelia believed that "family" was "just another word for war", and that the "sister always wins"

"Tyreen it's 4:00 pm, it's leeching time" "Yes troy"

Troy's character arc was way more compelling, and it did create a lot of suspense for what his relationship with his sister would turn into He began life with everyone around him including himself believing he was a helpless cripple and surviving only in his sister's shadow. Then when he leeches Maya, he not only is able to survive without her, he realized his true potential of being able to use the leech's power in reverse, giving siren powers to his followers. Its a shame that they didn't do anything to pay this off though. They built up the tension this power shift caused so well! If they only let it explode or have the twins reconcile it, either way would have been better.

You know what would have been cool? Instead of fighting just Troy, the first real battle with the Calypso Twins could have been a tag team boss fight where you fought both at once. But you only have to defeat one of them and the other later becomes the final boss of the game. Would have add a ton more to repeatability and would have developed them more.

thanks this made me like them 1% extra. 99% more left.

Streamers: The Calypsos are such a bad representation of streamers. Also streamers: WHAT IS UP MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS! GOD-QUEEN TYREEN COMING AT YA LIVE!

Tbh the calypso twins in the echo logs sound way better than what we got Plus troys character isn't too bad, its just that they focused on tyreen too much, but her design is pretty cool if ya ask me :/

It really is a missed opportunity with Troy, though this has to be said, the way Gearbox painted these two as ‘psycho live streamers’ ruined all care for these characters for most people. They came off as annoying brats especially after we’ve dealt with bandit warlords, cooperate military enforcers and CEO of weapons manufacturers already. Here’s hoping Gearbox learn their lesson in not trying to paint the cover of a book to hide its true hidden secrets, sometimes a cover turns off people before they even touch to open it.

Troy had so much potential, he got manipulated by Tyreen and was forced to stay with her unless he wanted to die. He was the brain behind everything they accomplished and got pushed back to the shadows. He developed so much after absorbing Maya's powers, and it started to seem like he would be the end game boss rather than Tyreen, but I think the writers had already decided to have Tyreen as the end game boss so they instead chose to give Troy an unjust death that was basically pointless to the story...

I love how little pause there was when Troy said “that’s what leaders do”

I feel like most people only hate Tyreen and Troy because they had a tough enemy to live up to like Handsome Jack

Typhon, Tyreen, and Troy are Frank, Dee, and Dennis from "It's Always Sunny in Philidelphia". Change my mind.

The twins werent bad as antagonists, I actually thought they were a breath of fresh air, it's just hard to live up to how Handsome Jack developed into a villian and as a character, basically 3 games dedicated to his development and the cause of his actions. The twins were good on their own right, but Jack is one of a kind.

Still can’t understand the fact that they were conjoined twins and only Troy has a bionic arm. Where are Tyreen’s scars, she seems absolutely normal.

It is weird how many people apparently didn't understand the story until you laid it out here. It was excellent. You can definitely see the signs of Troy beginning to reach for independence, but people expecting him to just turn immediately are really expecting too much. Whatever his conflicts with his sister, she did keep him alive for years when should could have left him anywhere. She did show appreciation towards what he brought. They had a lot of fun together. Why would he instantly flip on her? Maybe in years. Maybe he gets sick of her... maybe he gets a redemption arc. But this plot was moving way to fast for anything like that to happen.

I legit quite like Troy's character "development", I just wish that he ended up accidentally killing Tyreen when charging Elpis, by leeching all of her strength. Imo, wouldve made the story a bit better.

It’s ironic how in borderlands 2 jack never interacted in person with the vault hunters until the boss fight (pretty much a coward) , but tyreen and Troy show up several times (underestimated the vault hunters)

Yo who woulda thought troy was actually a woke soldier with those lines about “leaders saying shit that isnt true” and how katagawa was a “trust fund kid”. Genius stuff

The cutscene incompetence is so egregious in this game

I will now on refer to “vomit” as stomach gravy

2020 so far: “FLEE IN PANIC!! TRAMPLE ALL IN YOUR PATH!!!!”

I legit feel bad for Troy

Man their echo logs and lore is WAY better than all their main quest dialogue

Calypso Twins: **exists** BL Community: meh Ava: **exists** BL Community: AEUGH

You make these characters more bearable with this lore. can't wait for a new telltales borderlands.

Troy was A LOT smarter that he was shown during the story.

19:58 in my school vr game, the Grazen reversed Troy life and he died to Cellular deverstation (a form of divine punishment for male sirens for exsisting)

during the Atlas at Last mission, when you just start it, Tyreen mentions something about giving Katagawa Jr a "little push", and coincidentally, Katagawa Jr now has a blatant copy of Zer0's Atlas gear. Whether Tyreen actually gave Katagawa the blueprints[?], maybe just a full on remake of the suit, or if Katagawa had the suit in the works ever since Atlas became a problem, I don't know - but i'm still curious.

I hate how so many people online just define them as 'streamers'. Way better to describe them as cult leaders who take advantage of communication technology to spread their cult.

It could have been so much more, their backstory is great i just wish they did a bit more in the last part of the story that used this potential.

Troy is actually a really good villain and character imo I do like that he turned tyreen into the god queen plus when he actually got power he was fairly cool compared to miss shallow. Hell she treated him poorly after all of the things he did for her

Tyreen and Troy kind of remind me of Cersei and Jaime from A Song of Ice and Fire/Game of Thrones. Not the twincest but the thing that in both pairs the female was the more dominant of the two and were dragging their respective brother to darkness with them. On the other hand the brothers were submissive and had a potential to become quite decent human beings if only they had better role model.

Troy is actually a pretty good character it’s a shame the same can’t be said for Tyreen

I honestly think the biggest problem that they had with these 2 honestly comes down to tone. They spent too much time portraying them as fun villains, and while this was true of Jack, as well, they never really had their changeover to be menacing and serious the way Jack did. Because of this, it never really felt like we were doing anything to effect their decisions. This made us feel like witnesses to the story rather than drivers of said story.

Imagine if Troy returned to become a hero.

Troy: "Find out what they want and promise it to them, even if its a total lie. that's what leaders do" Sounds like modern politics

a video about typhon would be nice. also it goes to show that people lived on pandora long before the companies came in. like in history, people live in areas long before the public show up.

A much needed borderlands vid from the man with the golden gamer voice 🤣👌👍

Noting can beat jacks backstory

Honestly if we got a prequel for this I'd love to play around with their powers

Who thought Troy had popcorn the first time you saw this cutscene lol . 16:00

Biggest question, well one of them, now is where did Tyreens leech power go? Wont the next siren born be a leech all over again?

They had set up the Troy betrayal as well too. He started out not really wanting anything, certainly nothing that would hurt people and cause destruction. Hell, he wanted to just stay on Nekro with Tyreen and live out their days peacefully without their dad. But unfortunately Tyreen wanted more and he literally had no choice but to go with her or he'd die. When he did get power of his own, stolen from Maya, he even mentions multiple times about his way being better and subtly starts asserting himself more. Many of us saw the real possibility of him betraying her, likely leeching her to death as he is still able to do that AND he'd gain all her stolen powers as well, but he never did. He stayed faithful to his sister and her dream, probably only because he had also assumed her dream as his own by then. I think they went about it in an alright way honestly. Making him betray her is easy to screw up, but it's also pretty simple to get right as well. The ground work for the betrayal was already laid in their dialogue and story. Had he leeched her and became the main antongist by himself, he'd have been more of a threat than Tyreen did by leeching his corpse, because he'd have gained her leech powers (to Leech ANYTHING alive instead of just Sirens), in addition to Lilliths and his already acquired Maya powers. Then he can leech the destroyer and instead of Tyreen, who never had the powers of Maya at her disposal, you have Troy in possession of all the abilities including the power boost from the Destroyer and that's just a nightmare. Honestly if they made another DLC and it was a non cannon alternate ending style thing just for fun, and had that happen, Troy would be a ridiculously hard raid boss.

I kinda hope in the next borderlands we can play as a siren with tyrenes powers.

Some of the dialogue between Arialia and the Calypsos heavily foreshadowed that Tyreen would eventually turn on her brother. I was actually surprised when it didn't happen.

At one point in the story it did seem likely that Troy was gonna betray tyrenee but IT NEVER HAPPENED.

I freaking love Troy. I was sad when he died. He didn't KNOW any better for some things, but other things, he knew he couldn't get anywhere without his evil sister. Tyreen was only selfish, as she did not get all that she wished for when she was younger. But I love Troy, his character had lots of potential. Lots of undertones people don't pick up on really and it's sad because they just sweep him under the rug as "villainy" when truly he isn't. :/

I honestly really like the idea of a male siren. It's something unexplored in the series. Even with my limited knowledge I know that male sirens shouldn't exist. But it's such an interesting idea. I wish they explored it more. Troy as a character was fun to see how he worked. Wish we saw more of him.

I feel like there could have been a story where Troy becomes obsessed with uniting the siren powers in one body that body being him

The influencer thing seems like a good idea for a villain. The narcissism, conceited self centered personality and the crazy people stupid enough to worship them does write itself

The siren lady blesses up with stomach gravy.

Ah yes the history of Wasted and Potential

Another problem with then is that they don't leave an impact as much as Jack did. There were two dlcs about the effects of jacks power. Tina lost her father figure roland and her parents to hyeprion. Mordecai lost blood wing, etc

When you realize borderlands 3 was a waste of two favorite characters firehawk and maya

I mean their story fell apart toward the end because all the buildup went nowhere and it was like what could have been was just abandoned. BUT never have I had such a videogame crush as on these two. So mixed feelings. 💁‍♀️

Wow it just hit me that tyreen killed both her mum and dad Huh

I love Troy man. You can tell they were trying to bring him from an underling to realizing how awesome he was to himself from Eden-6 onwards. They could have totally done so much more with him and I think he's got that charm Jack had but he just didn't really get an opportunity to shine long enough.

You know, i really wish i could understand why troy had to die in such a lackluster way, if they had made tyreen get killed thanks to troy draining too much power it would have been better after all, troy could be motivated to universe destruction if given his own goal

IM SO GLAD YOU GOT YOUR CHANNEL BACK MAN I immediately had to come binge these cuz I was jus about to when the hack happened man

Can we all admit this: Troy >Tyreen

Great video. I did not fully understand the Borderlands3 story. Your video helped a lot. Thanks man. U pwn, hard.

"I'm gonna put dubstep over your death and post it on the echo-net and get loads of veiws. It's gonna be friggin' awesome" - the handsome sorcerer.

"FLEE AND PANIC, TRAMPLE ALL IN YOUR PATH" (immense screaming) Sums up 2020 so far

Flee in panic! Trample all in your path! Has a whole new meaning here in 2020. Some one sneezes someone probably is going to shout it.

The crimson raiders didn't know the vault monsters were important until the calypso 's told them the mission was to get the tech the vault hold

The calypsos had so much potential

Troy was baby he didn't deserve any of this :(

Nice vid man! Its no sup matto vid 😢 but great job non the less

I had massive hopes that at some point the rift between Tyreen and Troy would grow too much, him perhaps actually feeling pity and wanting to help the people of Pandora regain their senses, while Tyreen would just become too obsessed with her god complex schtick.

When they took Lilith's powers, I just said to my cousins who were playing this me, "she is getting sniper shot and shotgunned in the face"

Just getting back into Borderlands and it’s such a shame how they turned out. Troy had so much potential and was so close to being an amazing character. Something like a redemption arc could have made him one of the few characters to get close to handsome Jack. Tyreen needed a larger rewrite to make better. I think the whole “they’re streamers” thing gets really old really fast and the fact that it her voice makes it so much worse. Idk. Interesting to see that she’s still not a great person even before all this but had some sort of depth.

Their backstory is pretty legit in concept. They wanted to become something great but ended up with power that enabled them to become something greater. They're still annoying live streamers, but the motive turns out to be a twisted childhood dream. I can dig that. The developers failed to execute them as characters tho. Little to no opportunities for growth and development, and the opportunities that were present were missed. And it's a real shame too. They were annoying and the dialogue was just not funny, but that's all subjective. They were pretty sharp by Borderlands standards. They could've been great antagonists. Sucks to say, but the twins are the epitome of wasted potential.

Fun fact I'm almost positive Troy wearsa mask because a part of his face has the metal things that are on handsome Jack's mask

did anyone think that tyreen was deluded in the head?

What if Troy calypso is the next dlc character

I was so excited to see that moment when Troy took Maya's powers, because my brother and myself really hated the story up to that point. Then, nothing. No big betrayal, no cleverly hidden antagonist. Just streamer twins...

Man, this actually makes Borderlands 3's villains sound good.

Honestly with the echologs, espacily with "Building A God-Queen" I think the twins would have been a far better choice for Maya's student than the brat we got. Tho we would have needed a different villian then. Or even working with the current Troy Arc, having Troy as Villian sucking Tyreen from her powers going on rampage leaving his sister behind to join the raiders. So to speak giving Tryo the "bad character arc" - turning to a villian And Tyreen the "good character arc" - turning to good

In my opinion they did a good job making you hate them. I think that’s what a villains for. It also made it a lot more sweeter when you killed them

Is it possible that Troy Calypso could come back? I wish he would because he had potential to be the big villain of Borderlands 3. Edit: I thought of a way Troy could come back! Remember the anointed, the enemies "blessed" by Troy to kill us? Let's say that after the campaign, we start getting news that the anointed are becoming more organized and are mutating more. When Troy anointed these guys, he left a very small piece of himself into each anointed. The anointed are led by "Prophets of Troy" who are diverting COV forces and anointed to the site where Troy died. These Prophets then channel anointed energy to the death site and with enough time and effort, COULD bring back Troy in some ghostly way. Troy may not have Siren powers, but he would have great influence and a different set of powers.

My first playthrough was with amara who is a siren too. I was always wondering why the calypsos never attacked the vault hunters/ Amara in particular. There is a Siren right before them similar to lillith/ maya but no the vault hunters get completely ignored.