In the book, Thranduil honoured Bilbo by calling him "elf-friend". It's a huge honour for Bilbo. I hated how it wasn't shown in the movies. It feels like this trilogy tries to downplay Bilbo's accomplishments.
And the amazing thing is, he became the only person who unambiguously had all 3 and then gave all 3 away. He gave the Arkenstone away here, he gave the Mithril to Frodo and he became the first person to ever give up possession of the One Ring willingly.
@@JamesTobiasStewart and the only person to date, if I'm not mistaken. Bilbo's heart and character will always leave him as my favorite. The clever, honorable, loving halfling has a permanent spot in my heart.
@@SL22798 I don't know about the Arkenstone and the Mithril, but I know that at least one other person did voluntarily relinquish the Ring, namely Sam. But that doesn't diminish Bilbo's accomplishment as he held it for far longer and did not know the corruptive effect it had. Now that's not to say Sam doesn't deserve big props for doing what almost no one else could ever do, but Bilbo was the first person to ever do so and the ring had decades to sink it's claws into him and he STILL managed to find the strength to let it go.
The Arkenstone had no power. It was just an incredibly pretty and precious gem that was a heirloom. Unless you believe it was a Silmaril, which is a pretty thoroughly disproven fan theory. Mithril mail was definitely a very valuable and rare relic, but it was hardly unique or magical or had any power beyond the properties of Mithril.
@@thorjelly Yes, but the properties of Mithril are magical. "It could be beaten like copper, and polished like glass; and the Dwarves could make of it a metal, light and yet harder than tempered steel. Its beauty was like to that of common silver, but the beauty of mithril did not tarnish or grow dim." (Tolkien)
Thranduil immediately gained massive respect for Bilbo after doing this. 1/14th of all the treasure in the Lonely Mountain would make a man, or hobbit, richer than a king. To give up everything just to save your friends? It's no wonder why Thranduil gave Bilbo the official title of "Friend of the Elves" before he returned to the Shire.
On one end, Bilbo became Thorin's true friend when he was given the mithril shirt (which could be one part of that 1/14th share of the mountain, too). On the other, he gave the stone to Thranduil, who respected him for wanting to trade the Arkenstone stone it to keep the Dwarves safe (which almost worked). Either way, he was technically friend to both Elves and Dwarves (and still was to a degree after the war). But in respects, Bilbo was still rich whether it was from the actual 1/14th share or the mithril shirt. Well, richer than any Hobbit had ever been in three Eras, in fairness. (correct me if I'm wrong, please).
I love the way Bilbo made the tallest people in the tent feel small and petty. I liked this scene in the book as the act of giving away his fourteenth share earned the respect of the Elves and Men and Dwarves for ages to come.
Tafami I love the bilbo for giving away the arkenstone because he could have easily lost his friendship with the dwarfs but he was willing to risk that to keep them safe
Yeah, Bilbo was a true friend, I can see why the Elves, Dwarves, and Men that he met on his Quest to Erebor grew concerned for him when they heard Sauron was hunting for him. I mean, they sent envoys through a great distance to get to Rivendell and warn Bilbo and his other friends.
This interaction is perhaps part of why Gandalf chose Frodo to bear the ring. He knew Hobbits had a tremendous ability to choose peace and humbleness, even in the face of wealth and power.
I super love how even Gandalf is always so happy shocked to see Bilbo when he turns up... like even he is pleasantly surprised that Bilbo is somehow still alive.
Maybe not all hobbits, though many. Bilbo was certainly exceptional...and so was Sam. Also Frodo, Merry and Pippin of course...but those three in other ways.
Even before giving them the Arkenstone, though Thranduil showed clear annoyance and possibly even anger towards Bilbo, being the one who sprang the dwarves from his dungeon (tempered with mild amusement, I guess just slightly impressed by Bilbo's nerve), it melts in all of ten seconds after Bilbo hands him the Arkenstone, and his attitude towards Bilbo changes from annoyance to immense respect, giving up such enormous wealth just to save his friends. And his facial expressions convey it so well. Thranduil and Bard must've felt so petty and small in that moment. A Hobbit only half their height had a heart threefold the size of theirs and stood taller then any man or elf in Dale that night.
In the books, everyone is surprised - Gandalf only a little, and he would admit even less - at how deep, courageous and wise Bilbo proves himself to be! - after a very shaky start lol. A most excellent hobbit. (I stopped watching after the first movie but i liked this clip ok.)
@@frank2510 I don’t think that’s the case because the ring still turned Sméagol into a murderer mere minutes after it’s exposure to him and transformed him into gollum
@@rachelsheppard9122 frodo had been carrying the rin all the way to mount doom where its effect was strongest, noone would have been able to willingly drop it
Well, I guess you're not. ;) If Orlando had black hair and black beard in this movie i think he and Luke could have been twin brothers since Luke has black hair and black beard in this movie. ;)
@@Sipu97 Not in the movies. In the book, Bilbo really admires Bard. Bilbo loves and admires all the good people he sees; the dwarves, the elves and the men. He steals the Arkenstone because he doesn't want to see a war between these good people. None of that love is shown in these movies. The movies made it about his fanboyism for Thorin. This trilogy does a disservice to Bilbo's character.
@Tia Aaron I think Bilbo was amazing in the movies. The movies have a very different tone to the book so variation and changes are to be expected. But there should have been more time for Bilbo, maybe by deleting the unnecessary love triangle and instead have Bilbo interact more with the dwarves, Gandalf and others.
0:56 Martin Freeman brings a sense of comedy to Bilbo that feels so wholesome, subtle, and timid without feeling so out of character and I love it lol “…… yyyyyus…”
Bornstellar Makes Eternal Lasting Once again, must you project your own issues onto me? The one who started this pissing contest was you so automatically you already lost on the pathetic scale. You not only used a specific derogatory term for homosexuals which shows how much of a bigot you are but you try to deny my right to write whatever I want. But go ahead carry on insulting everyone that thinks differently to you seeing as it seems to be the only meaningful thing you have in your life.
***** You're way of figuring out who is a troll is stupid. Lack of a profile picture does not make one a troll and if you haven't noticed the one who was being rude first was not me so your argument fails.
Says the guy responding to one small comment like a dog in heat. Oh the hypocrisy on the internet. If he had any faith in his original comment he would have had no need to respond.
"If im not mistaken this is the halfling that stole that stole the keys to my dungeons under the nose of my guard" Few seconds later... "Yeeees,sorry 'bout that" Lol😂I cant stop laughing at this scene and also Bard looks like he is stoping himself to laugh
I have to agree with people's comments about the casting. Martin Freeman is just brilliant in this. He has this ability to bring out the humour in a situation but keep it serious at the same time. It's a really rare talent, and perfect casting for Bilbo.
"If I'm not mistaken, this is the halfling who stole the keys to my dungeons from under the nose of my guards." ". . .Yish. . . .sorry about that." LOL! Who likes Bilbo more than Frodo in the movie? Thumbs up!
arkieda I have read the book but not everyone who watches the movies, has. I've never read the Lord of the Rings novels though I've seen the Peter Jackson trilogy more than once.
I know, and it's great that you've also read the book. I have no hard feelings towards those who haven't read them, not at all. I do feel that for extra backstory and such, it's good to read the books rather than expecting the movies to provide (although it would be great if they did).
Thranduil my fav character. but not for his Physical appearance like most fangirls. But i like his attitude towards the dwarves, along with Lord Dain. Those details i love in Tolkien's world. Moral greyscales, not everything black and white.
One of the best scenes in the entire movie! I think that Thranduil felt a sliver of shame when he compared his own motivations with those of Bilbo. And the teacher/mentor (almost friends) relationship between the elfking and the mortal archer is priceless.
Mia Tolliver he felt no shame. The diamonds he wants belong to his dead wife. They refused to give them to him so he let the dragon take the mountain. To quote Rambo, "they drew first blood."
@@HimuraKenshin666 That wasn't why Thranduil didn't aid the dwarves against Smaug. It was a pointless fight. Smaug was near invincible and there was nothing Thranduil could do against him.
@@HimuraKenshin666 nope, his wife died 3.000 years before "The Hobbit" and if you read the book there's no gems. That gems were there to explain the hate between elves and dwarves.
+Brian Bernstein Actually is the other way round. He admires the good heart of Bilbo by giving the Arkestone to Bard and Thranduil to facilitate negotiations and avoid bloodshed.
By doing so, it was the only hope to avoid the war and came totally suprising for Gandalf. In the end he didn't quite believe Bilbo doing really great things, but took him along because for some reason he gave him courage...at least in the film. In the book it was more about sixth sense I suppose.
1. I adore this movie but dude I wish the whole bromance between Thrands and Bilbo in the book was given screen time. In the book just before the battle was going to happen Bilbo was like 'on the whole he'd rather side with the Elvenking' and at the end Thranduil gifts Bilbo with some badass armour UGH extended edition..perhaps? 2. In the movies my friend kept leaning over and whispering 'magic jelly bean' in my ear whenever the Arkenstone was on screen
Oh, they don't know Bilbo's holding The One Ring. Bilbo doesn't even know he's holding The One Ring. That's how he smuggled the Arkenstone out of Erebor.
Actually, Bilbo may have some knowledge of the ring. He reacted pretty violently when some spider tried to steal it from him back in movie 2. He realized, after stabbing the spider profusely, that he was in possession of a dark artifact.
RustyPete12 Good catch because you're right. Bilbo is in possession of and becoming addicted to his use of The One Ring whether he is aware of it or not.
When I read The Hobbit I was so angry at Bilbo for giving away the Arkenstone. Then I cried when Thorin tried to kill him, because Thorin had put in so much trust into Bilbo.
mikkelhaxer raises his eyebrows by an INCH OR TWO?! That's not very subtle lol. Two inches of eyebrow travel would make anyone look positively astonished!
Bilbo - I came to give you this. *Arkenstone* Thranduil - Dang, you steal from everyone, don't you? Gandalf - Well, he was hired for his ability to steal things... Bard - Wait, does he steal from *everyone* or just kings? Because I'm not a king, I should be safe. *Thranduil and Gandalf exchange look* Bilbo - Um, aren't you descendent from a king, and basically the guy who's actually really in charge of your people? Bard - ...d*mn Bilbo - So, it's totally cool that I, err, "borrowed" some supplies from you, eh? A king's got some to spare, yes? Bard - Whatever side he's on, I'm on the other. Thranduil - Welcome to my side, fellow son-of-a-king. Have some food and wine, and in exchange for saving your people from starvation, I accept your peoples' humble subservience to my peoples' superiority. *Gandalf and Bilbo exchange look* Bard - I'm from a long line of dragon-fighting warriors, and sure we lost, but didn't you also fail to kill one, Your Superiorness? Thranduil - ...You can all rot, I'm going to go find my son and gtfo here. ~~~It's late (for me), I had to people all Thanksgiving, I haven't slept in whatdayisit-many days, and here I am writing crack!fanfic in yt comments...~~~
When I read about the Arkenstone in the book, I had a good idea of what it looked like, but I never could get over how beautifully made it is in the movie.
This is what the Rings Of Power lacked. Peter Jackson's moral compass. Tolkien was in fact a Christian man who loved allegories of biblical parables. It cheers on the impossible and the heroes don't inherit the pride of winning but the preservation of hope. 🤔
Bilbo is the hero in all of these movies, and in the book too. An obscure hobbit from an almost unknown place in Middle Earth. This reflects Tolkien's Christian beliefs.
"Hobbits really are amazing creatures. You can learn all there is to know about their ways in a matter of months and yet even after a hundred years, they can still surprise you." -Gandalf
When you are small creature staying in presence of Lord of people and King of Sindarin elves and yet you still have courage to stand in defence of their enemy(actually your friends) to try to save them. Well that I say it is courage. It's just Dambldor said something like that is brave to stand against your enemy but it you are more brave if you stand against your friend. Bilbo knew that Thorin would do something crazy or say because he saw his madness and Thorin was his friend yet he still did that so Thorin and company shouldn't have to die.
Luke Evans is very handsome in this movie. I can't wait so see him as Gaston in the live action version of Disney's Beauty And The Beast. He is very handsome in that movie too .;)
One of my favourite moments from this movie, for all the action and set pieces there's nothing I love more than great acting, that moment when an actor just fits the role so perfectly, and then seeing that in action.
I am convinced that had Bilbo been around in the First Age, he could have stopped the killing of King Thingol by those dwarves working for in his kingdom of Doriath, and prevented the rift that emerged between elves and dwarves -and all because of the Simaril that adorned the Nauglamir that they were crafting for him.
Adriana Villacis Because he also wanted the people of Laketown to receive what they were owed for killing Smaug, and the only way to easily force Thorin to do both was to strongarm him with the arkenstone
If Bilbo Baggins had enough coat pockets, he would have hidden the White Gems of Lasgalen as well and both Bard and Thranduil would be wagging it in Thorin's face.
i love BILBO BAGGINS and no one can be better actor in this novel and story than him.and he is the hero of all the story and he is also smarter than any other member.
bilbo will always be one of my favorites characters in tolkien's legendarium, such a brave and noble hobbit just like gandalf said once, he's half tuk after all :)
Bilbo didn’t really think about this. He was entitled to a fourteenth share of a huge ass treasure. He should’ve just stole the elf gems that Thranduil wanted, give him that and tell Bard to wait for things to play out so Bilbo can give him his fourteenth share. So either he was trying to save Thorin from his madness, or he’s a fucking idiot.
Well, tbf, he probably didn't know about Thrandy' gems (was he there for his talk with Thorin?) or at least which ones they were, nor could he have snuck them out past Thorin's paranoid guard. But he had the Arkenstone already, so he used that.
This scene was my favorite. When he gives the arkenstone to the elf king I knew that would spare thorin and the company . I was glade bilbo gave the stone to save thorin cause he cared about him .
I was never sure about that question either. It was always funny because I thought he had taken some of the treasure from the troll cave yet in the book it was described that in the end when it came to the matters of payment, he would only allow 2 chests to be carried on his pony to the way back to the Shire, one large chest containing gold, and another containing silver. But somewhere in Lord of the Rings (in the book) he (or was it Frodo?) makes a remark that he never really felt he owned the treasure as some of it was taken by trolls who have pillaged villages and the like, remarking that it "still smelled like those trolls". So the real question is: did he take the troll's treasure, or the mountain treasure, or both?
If im not mistaken this is the halfling who stole the keys to my dungeons under the noses of my guards. Maybe if the guards werent wasted it would not have been as easy. Thranduil is such a piefe of work i lovs him
In that scene bilbo is carrying the one ring the arkenstone and wearing mithril armor what worty than all shire (according to gandalf) at the same time :D
Funny how you can actually somewhat sort different creatures to hogwarts houses. Dwarves are definitely Gryffindor. Even Godric Gryffindor himself looks like a dwarf himself with enormous beard. Elves are no doubt Slytherin through & through with their regal pretentiousness and difficult to trust other species. Hobbits are Hufflepuff, no denial. They are the embodiment of home and domestic peace which makes them easy being friends with all sorts of creatures. And men are probably just Ravenclaw. I guess
This is a relatively short novel; a three movie adaptation really stretched it out, but what an amazing (and unfortunately missed) opportunity to follow the book almost word for word and scene for scene; the stupid love story and other fillers could have been eliminated and made way for the most accurate book to movie adaptation in history. Disappointing.
I don't think he had the chance to do it any other way, he was pretty much called in last minute and given very short deadlines, I think it's impressive the films turned out the way they did
JamesGames101 it actually shows that no matter the situation Peter Jackson still makes a movie worth seeing and paying for. He's just a master director.
***** Can you give me a direct quote? I just want to know what part of the Silmarilion said that. I'm not doubting your legitimacy, I'm just curious...
domidium I don't recall the silmarill turning black, but it is said that it burned the hand of all who held it, even Morgoth himself, that's why he put them on his crown, and why they made a crown for Earendill - he couldn't bear it through the sky otherwise. And if I remember correctly Feanors' sons couldn't bear the pain that the jewels inflicted on them and that's why they cast them away. With all that in account, i doubt that the heart of the mountain is the fabled silmarill, if it was it should have been far more bright and far more tempting to keep than even the One ring. I may be wrong, and if so my apologies.
Not a chance. Thranduil would recognize it, for one. Secondly, the Silmaril that was cast into the earth was thrown into a volcano in Beleriand, tens of thousands of miles from Erebor. It could not have travelled that far, even by plate tectonics.
Bilbo "the burglar" was a indirect meaning from Tolkien for him to stealing the ring. But he really becomes a professional at that like a true stealthy warrior. Funny how Gandalf doesn't like it, even he thinks Hobbits are just cute creatures from the woods that should go back to sleep sometimes, and they still surprise him. Bilbo actually, and Sam, because I never liked Frodo as much as I like Bilbo.
Bilbo Baghins is honest, but most of all he was courageous and brave. The smallest of everyone, with more,integrity? than anyone. The person that would call him friend would be lyhe richest person in Middle Earth.
I really love King Thranduil (come on, he's so freaking gorgeous!! :v ♥), and Bard is so handsome too, but I have to give the credits here to Bilbo n_n !! He's so adorable and so brave! I just wanna give him a big hug!! :3
"I've grew very fond of them and I would save them if I can." You mean him...dear Bilbo😏 "I've grew very fond of Him...and I would save Him if I can" Thorin
